New Article about St. Martinus

[Hends]

Title:

Yet the end for St. Martinus University

In English: Amigoe.com (http://www.amigoe.com/english/) (Third Article on the Page)

In Dutch: Amigoe.com (http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_36983.php)




Good luck..St. Martinus

[** ****** JD&VB]

Yet the end for St. Martinus University

Published: November 21, 2007
Source: Amigoe
WILLEMSTAD – With the auction of the inventory of the St. Martinus University proclaimed for this Thursday, the end of the educational institution still threatens. Director of the University, JVB is going to battle with Banco di Caribe to avoid this auction. A lawsuit on this is down for hearing tomorrow.

Lawyer AW is of the opinion that the auction of the building complex on Brionplein is a special argument of the bank. The university is a freestanding business that runs pretty good. Besides, the auction of the real estate will probably not take place. We are busy with private sale. We will definitely succeed in this, and the bank knows.”

All the current years are close to their exams. St. Martinus University that exists for almost 4 years, has approximately 80 students, of which 10 percents are local. JVB is of the opinion that the conflict between the bank and shareholder JD may not hinder the progress of the education. “In this case, we are talking about tables and chairs. I base myself on a solution.” He says that he bases his confidence on guarantees of the owner of the building and the inventory, JD, also shareholder of the university. Other than JVB, nobody trusts JD especially not his creditors. “They have already set the dogs at him”, says JVB, who should have known that the creditors wanted to see money from the university also, when the auction of the buildings was announced in October. JVB told the Amigoe that the university is are not well off, but it does comply with its financial obligations. “We do not have debts and we are not down and out.” He says that the bank is now demanding an earlier issued loan. Bailiff MB announced the ‘he will put the entire inventory and requisites for the exploitation of a medical university’ up for sale. Everything will be sold as a whole. Other than the usual office inventory, there are also medical study equipment like microscopes, sterilizers, an incubator, a synthetic skeleton, and a medical library. It is of course possible that a buyer pays for the inventory with the purpose to continue with the university.

The monument, in which the medical education and other commercial tenants are established, is property of JD corporation Martinus Medical Properties. A great part in the back of the monumental complex is still undeveloped. Other than owner of the real estate, JD, who is in serious financial trouble, is also large shareholder of the university itself. After the auction of the building and grounds on Brionplein was proclaimed in October, JVB, hotelier DV(Howard Johnson), and notary BE said that a buyer will present him/her self before the date of the auction. JD went to the United States and Canada to find a buyer. Rumours are that there is a group of Dutch investors that have interest. JD became wealthy with the business Hermanos Lalo in the Free Zone, Salinja Galleries, and some businesses in Punda, including The Yellow House. He has meanwhile been put out of the family business in the Free Zone.

[** ****** JD&VB]

Almost 5 years after the opening of this School, many people's hearts and dreams have been shattered. The attrition rates for students and staff at Martinus remains horrible. The School managed to accumulate a handfull of students mainly because most of them didn' t have a choice but to stay.
The owner and his loyal crony (who was also sucked in with now wortheless shares) have destroyed many professors and students lives financially. In fact there has never been a professor or a student that has left Martinus without being owed money.
JD has a less than honorable reputation for not paying his debts not only in the University's affairs but in every venture he undertakes.
The locals know this fact and over the years he has lost their trust and respect.
He is perceived as a local pilferer to the countless that have tried dragging him to court for amounts as low 500 Nafl.
Shameful for a man whose father was honored by the Queen of Holland for being an outstanding citizen/entrepreneur of the kingdom.
I feel pity for anyone in the US or Canada that will even consider investing with these guys. Their reputation in Curacao is already set in stone.
It is imperative that students find an alternative urgently.
Remember the day the school loses IMED listing your coursework taken will be useless. There are many bright students in this school some of them have scored very well in their Step1. They can transfer to virtually any other Caribbean school.

Veel geluk!!

[** ****** JD&VB]

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[lswiltshire]

I don’t know who you are De ballen JD & VB but you are not factual in many of your statements.

Almost 5 years after the opening of this School, many people's hearts and dreams have been shattered.

Whose hearts and dreams have been shattered who attended St Martinus in its first four years. Students who could not pay their fees? Local students who could not pass their exams because they think that the study of Medicine is a part time affair? All of the students who attended from 2003-2005 that were worthy medical students have done well, passed Step 1 and gone on to clinicals. The best students I have taught in Caribbean schools were at St Martinus. I say that without fear of contradiction.

The attrition rates for students and staff at St Martinus remains horrible.

This is another lie! The attrition rates for students at St Martinus is actually very good, and the turnover of staff is certainly no worse than anywhere else. In fact teachers who left St Martinus have actually returned there.

The School managed to accumulate a handfull of students mainly because most of them didn' t have a choice but to stay.
This statement is another lie and an obvious non sequitur. St Martinus has always been a small school with very good students. Those who couldn’t reach the standards quit and returned to SJMS or XAVIER or ST EUSTATIOUS.

A student has a choice to stay or not stay at any school.


The owner and his loyal crony (who was also sucked in with now wortheless shares) have destroyed many professors and students lives financially. In fact there has never been a professor or a student that has left Martinus without being owed money.

How can St Martinus destroy a professor or students life financially? It is not accurate, at least in my case, to say that there has never been a professor that has left Martinus without being owed money. In fact when in my first semester there I did an extra 90 contact hours of teaching, the one whom you call “his loyal crony” suggested that I submitted a bill and I was paid $6000. Do you know that at most of the bogus schools in the Caribbean that that is four months salary? As recently as 12 months ago IUA in St Lucia insulted me by offering me $1500 per month. .

I taught at SJMS and didn’t get paid. Several other folk I know left SJMS without getting paid.

[Hends]

bah lswiltshire wrote a lot but i'm not interested on everything ur posting ... i really don't get it, Why are u saying good stuff of St martinus if is going to close down anyway?????? :confused: quite funny.

and what De ballen JD&VB posted.... yeah I know as a Fact most of those things are true

an interesting point that Iswiltshire said is

"This is another lie! The attrition rates for students at St Martinus is actually very good, and the turnover of staff is certainly no worse than anywhere else. In fact teachers who left St Martinus have actually returned there."

Come on dude, why did they return????? cuz they don't have a license and they don't have anywhere else to go, i know one teacher of St. Martinus who went to Xavier and students from that school kicked him out because he don't teach well. Now I wonder why they come back to St martinus....


like De ballen JD&VB said: Veel Geluk!

Tot ziens

[smartamy]

How could somebosdy not be interested in answers when he/she is asking questions?... Just a general comment though!
Strange how some people just can't stick to one account I guess...
And English is still a difficult language for some people...

[smartamy]

Don't worry Mr. Hends, we'll stay in business...
St. Martinus has gone through tough times in the past, but it's a strong school and I have no doubt (and other students support me in this) that the school will continue.
We'll be around for a loooooong looooooooong time :)

[robmc_79]

Hends, I can see that you are very eager to see St.Martinus shut down....but it just won't happen. Students who decide to stay at StMU do have other choices, but students who are willing to study don't have problems sticking with the program.

So thanks for your best wishes but seems to me that you need them more than we do..........ook veel geluk aan jou! Cause as smartamy already said........we'll be around for a looooooong time!

[Hends]

uhmmm answers?? what answers... there is only one for everything. Auctions = Closing Down

if they still on business they wont last long. And I don't need any best wishes cuz at this moment my school is not bankrupt

[smartamy]

uhmmm answers?? what answers... there is only one for everything. Auctions = Closing Down

if they still on business they wont last long. And I don't need any best wishes cuz at this moment my school is not bankrupt

I guess that, apart from Enlgish, math is also a difficult subject...
:roll: auction = closing down? :roll:

Don't think so.... but.. if you'd like to continue thinking this... go ahead...
This forum has been made so everybody can post their opinions...
So everybody who wants to keep on posting... do your thing...
But we're here to stay! :D

[DOCplucinski]

well i don't know about any of you but any of the more successful and established Caribbean medicals aren't having any auctions.

i have no idea why any student would go to a school like this when there are much safer choices with admission standards that will take almost anyone.

[Hawk-Eye]

Hends, I guess your about as uniformed about what an auction is and much as you are informed about English, but an Auction does not = close down, most likely it - much to your disappointment- will only just make us harder, better, faster, stronger!
But im glad you finally found something to talk about, i hope you are learning something because there is lesson here for you, you just need to sort it out. And have yourself an excellant afternoon my friend. Still, will you appoligize if things are not as you say. Im wondering if your a real man or a mouse? Will see, and ill make sure to get in touch with you after the acquisition if one occurs.

[Hends]

Hends, I guess your about as uniformed about what an auction is and much as you are informed about English, but an Auction does not = close down, most likely it - much to your disappointment- will only just make us harder, better, faster, stronger!
But im glad you finally found something to talk about, i hope you are learning something because there is lesson here for you, you just need to sort it out. And have yourself an excellant afternoon my friend. Still, will you appoligize if things are not as you say. Im wondering if your a real man or a mouse? Will see, and ill make sure to get in touch with you after the acquisition if one occurs.

most of the times means closing down if not why are they giving away all the equipments nor anything...a school without a desk quite weird huh?

apology? i dont have to give any to anyone unless ur my girlfriend ..
"make us harder, better, faster, stronger!" are u in boxing school or what?? oh i forgot, St martinus people are very sensitive i think that's why u said to make u better, harder and stronger, now on the faster part......probably to walk across the bridge faster :p just a joke, dont get personal. :shock:

only 4 more days for the auctions as for now, good luck guys..

and what DOCplucinski said, at least he's smart enough to go somewhere else then St martinus ;)

[smartamy]

Mr Hends, Mr Hends..... again some wrong statements....
Auctioning of equipment was planned for yesterday... nothing happened... we're still here!

Let's see what happens on Monday... and we'll "see" each other again on this forum on Tuesday... because we're still going to be here!

[elilama]

I am currently shopping around for my med school, however a school like St. Martins going through an auction process is definitely a place to avoid. I read the article and my questions are:
1. "How a med school can operate if the whole office and lab stuff is being sold?",
2. "How can you assure prospective students like me that it won’t happen again in few weeks or months?"

I just hope current students won’t waste their time and $$$ and at least get their transcripts just in case the worst happens

Buyers be aware!!!

[Hends]

Mr Hends, Mr Hends..... again some wrong statements....
Auctioning of equipment was planned for yesterday... nothing happened... we're still here!

Let's see what happens on Monday... and we'll "see" each other again on this forum on Tuesday... because we're still going to be here!

that still doesn't mean that is still from the school...is from the bank and if a buyer appears u guys are not gonna have anything at all :roll:

[Hawk-Eye]

Dont worry,
Just to let you know,
Hends is a student that left the school because he could not handle the intense load so he is just trolling trying to make waves and make our shcool look bad

also elilama is most likley one of the administrators at CMU,

our school will be fine and you'll see what im talking about in a few days.

I wish CMU students and there faculty would stay off SMU site, and go to their site where they can post things about there school.

Remember im still waiting for an appology from all the trolling you done, you will eat your words.

[Hends]

Hends is a student that left the school because he could not handle the intense load so he is just trolling trying to make waves and make our shcool look bad

of course i was a student from St martinus that's one of the regrets of my life. :( any who I left just because school plays game with students it was curious where they failed 3 students that left st martinus and came back..... makes me wonder. Is not because it was a load and intense there was other reasons like i said before.
and i dont make waves nor anything like it about st martinus...... is just FUNNY to see a SCHOOL on that Situation i wonder how a school cant have no money at all and the best part is that everything i said about this school is Truth :shock:


Remember im still waiting for an appology from all the trolling you done, you will eat your words.


i'll be waiting to see what happends and keep dreaming if im gonna apologized haha

kurva

[toocute]

wow hends..didnt you and your buddy whom you lived with get KICKED OUT of st martinus because you were deficient in the intelligence area..??st martinus might not be the greatest school ..it does have its flaws but atleast they dont let ******* like you in ..just a thought:)




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[letsgoMD]

wow hends..didnt you and your buddy whom you lived with get KICKED OUT of st martinus because you were deficient in the intelligence area..??st martinus might not be the greatest school ..it does have its flaws but atleast they dont let ******* like you in ..just a thought:)
Please leave me out of this. I was Hends roommate and I was never kicked out. When i left St. Martinus, i left with no regrets. I am at a school that I am happy at. I left St. Martinus for personal reasons, thats all. Since I left my dad has had two surgeries and my mom's health hasn't been good so getting to Atlanta was my first priority. Only thing I am asking is for St. Martinus to send my transcript to my new school if they haven't done it yet. Please leave me out of this DRAMA. Thanks.

[Hends]

uhmm as far as i know they NEVER kicked me out i left for personal reasons also and letsgoMD was my roommate for almost 2 semesters ... we had a great time.
Anyway St martinus will never kicked students cuz they will lose a lot u know is a small school so they don't kick people out (Write that down) when letsgoMD and I went to CMU we were asking for our tution refund for almost 2 months, checks got bounced and a lot of crap going on cuz JD was flat Broke I went back to St martinus to not lose my money and to finish my semester faster than in CMU that was my only reason.

i wonder who is "toocute" can't be that hard :confused: i might get a list of all the student i know from St martinus that basically knows letsgoMD and me..

[smartamy]

Strange how people just don't get tired of posting junk here...
Gosh... some people should better get back to studying Histo or something... ;) I just hope everybody who's trying to take us down is noticing how we're still here and as for Mr. Hends... try and read Saturday's newspaper (Amigoe)... I had somebody translate it for me and it seems obvious we'll stick around!!!!

[lswiltshire]

Can you post the English version?

[smartamy]

It's kind of hard to translate everything for you, but a friend explained me that "stopzetting" means that something will not continue and that the last sentence means the same.

I would just want to ask everybody to get back to studying and for some other people to stap bashing and move to their own forum (if it's open..) :rolleyes:

We'll stick around and finish our education... We've had some tough times, but things are changing and you'll see the result, which as always, will be positive!

[Hawk-Eye]

Edited because this was so true that it could not be handled.

[stephew]

no, edited because you violated the terms of use that you agreed to, and you received a courtesy PM to do so.

[DOCplucinski]

which you could have been infracted for off the bat.

i'm monitoring this thread now, any more flames will not receive courtesy PMs and will be infracted on the spot.

[Hawk-Eye]

Well then monitor the site better, because im looking at it and its full of infractions.

[jameslynton]

Well then monitor the site better, because im looking at it and its full of infractions.This use to be a sleepy forum with maybe one post a month. Like DocP said we are now watching it and will infract new posts - I suggest you edit older ones if you flamed someone.

[makamba]

I went back to St martinus to not lose my money and to finish my semester faster than in CMU that was my only reason.


Edited for insults

[makamba]

Have a nice one !!

Maka

[Hends]

looking all ur posts...

I can see that u are the actual director of St Martinus mr. Jan

another proof from st martinus style taking everything personal and playing games like baby's grow up seriously.

yeah i [profanity edited by Mod] up 1 semester before, i didnt care but then i had to take school more serious last semester in st martinus only 1 test for the hole subject and that's my final grade is great when a teacher says to u to study the systems of the human body and on the test u only see the eye, ear and vitamins ...... well played!! the funny thing is that i wasn't the only one being tricked
Anyway i did not take my retake cuz CMU offered me the same thing that u guys did so yeah i left at least CMU dont get personal like u people are..

it is my dream to St martinus getting closed???

not really got more things to think of than that school i just think is funny to u people in that situation and more if its a school....

tell me where is ur Buddie? John D.? i think we is in Jail this morning and still i dont know the reason why..... can u please tell us :roll:

[lswiltshire]

Hend
You wrote
I went back to St martinus to not lose my money and to finish my semester faster than in CMU that was my only reason.


I also wondered how you could finish your semester faster. Did you mean that you were at Smartinus --- then you left to go to CMU but when you saw that the grass was not as green on the other side as you thought ( since no real teaching was occurring over there) ---you returned to Smartinus, so that you would not have wasted the four months which the semester took?

Question: Did you pass your courses at Smartinus? If not, did you pass the retakes?

Makamba is new to Smartinus that’s why he asked you “but you can go to the next semester @ CMU?

You see he does not know that it is the norm for students who can not take the discipline at Smartinus to transfer to SJMS and XUSOM and get credit for the courses they failed at St Martinus. Unfortunately I cant name the students who boasted of this occurence in 2005 on this forum.


The policy of promising to pass transfer students at SJMS that failed at Smartinus is of course well known to the official from SJMS who is a big player at CMU now. So your experience in that regard is nothing new.

Now Makamba knows what happens to students who defect from StMartinus -----THEY GET CREDIT FOR THE COURSES THEY FAILED AT ST MARTINUS

Makamba asked So, is SMU that good, that failing @ SMU will give you a passing grade @ CMU? The answer is of course NO. The truth is that CMU is wishy washy.

I am not surprised to hear of the SMU students who did well on their USMLE, because I participated in grilling them. I was hard on them and gave them the UWI treatment!!! We used to say ashes to ashes dust to dust if dr d don’t get you LSW must! So students used to study.


Hend you write all kinds of junk on the Smartinus forum, and when it is debunked you say that the writer who exhibits more logic and sense than you in thier response is the school’s director, OR is another proof from st martinus style taking everything personal and playing games like baby's or that John D is in Jail

You are not fair, and you are not making sense

yeah i up 1 semester before, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY YOUR PROBLEM. SO STUDY.

when a teacher says to u to study the systems of the human body and on the test u only see the eye, ear and vitamins ...... well played!! the funny thing is that i wasn't the only one being tricked

Have you been to school before? Don’t you know that it is your responsibility to know sufficient about every topic in a course that you should be able to get at least a bare pass EVERYTIME? YOU STUDY AND PREPARE SO THAT HOWEVER THE TEST IS SET YOU CAN get a bare pass SONNY.

THATS THE FIRST THING I TELL MY STUDENTS

[Trance@ddict]

well you should tell your students to also leave the school now that everything is falling apart.

[lswiltshire]

I no longer teach at St Martinus so I cant tell the students there to leave the school. My sources reveal that everything is NOT falling apart as the folk at CMU desire.

As has been pointed out, this used to be a sleepy forum with maybe one post a month. But since the arrival of CMU this forum has gone topsy turvy. Why cant CMU exist without troubling St Martinus.

Why has CMU officials sought to pinch St Martinus faculty and students?

Since St. Martinus has gone through tough times in the past, as a strong school should not the CMU folk leave it alone to allow it to recover?. I don’t see St Marts folk constantly attacking CMU.

Now can anyone in Curacao say that auctioning of equipment that was allegedly planned has occurred? Can anyone in Curacao say truly that the whole office and lab stuff at St Martinus has been sold?

Can anyone in Curacao say truly that St Martinus has given away all of equipment and that it is truly a school without a desk?

"How a med school can operate if the whole office and lab stuff is being sold?",
2. "How can you assure prospective students like me that it won’t happen again in few weeks or months?"

I just hope current students won’t waste their time and $$$ and at least get their transcripts just in case the worst happens


de ballen wrote I feel pity for anyone in the US or Canada that will even consider investing with these guys. Their reputation in Curacao is already set in stone.

What happens if new owners take over the school? Would it still be imperative that students find an alternative urgently?


de ballen wrote There are many bright students in this school some of them have scored very well in their Step1. They can transfer to virtually any other Caribbean school.


Is de ballen saying that these students only did well in their Step1 because they are so bright, and that St Martinus played no part in their success? Is de ballen thus saying that under her stewardship as Dean of Basic Sciences that she was not able in anyway to assist these students to attain glory?

Are we to suppose that de ballen is lying or that she has contradicted herself?

Can de ballen indicate how the owner of St Martinus and his loyal crony have destroyed many professors and students lives financially.

I know that Dean JS was offered shares, was not Dean de ballen also sucked in with now worthless shares too? Oh me am!

de ballen asserts that The School managed to accumulate a handfull of students mainly because most of them didn' t have a choice but to stay.

Whereas the schools recruiting methods were poor, I cant for the life of me comprehend why the students who stayed would do so, because most of them didn' t have a choice but to stay . This is false as we know that students transferred back to SJMS, transferred to St E and elsewhere.

One poster asked bah lswiltshire wrote a lot but i'm not interested on everything ur posting ... i really don't get it, Why are u saying good stuff of St martinus if is going to close down anyway?

Certainly I have the write to post the truth as I see it. I taught at St Martinus, and I criticized what I didn’t like in my time there. But I also worked hard too, and I got the opportunity to change many things. I sincerely believe that of the schools at which I taught, St Martinus had the best facilities, faculty and some great students. I got a chance to change the program for the better while I was there.

Re Come on dude, why did they return????? cuz they don't have a license and they don't have anywhere else to go, i know one teacher of St. Martinus who went to Xavier and students from that school kicked him out because he don't teach well. Now I wonder why they come back to St martinus....

The only one I know who taught at St Martinus who was a physician and didn’t / don't have a current medical license and they don't have anywhere else to go was the ex Dean of Clinical Studies.
What is true though is that while I was at St Martinus several teachers fom Bonaire schools applied for jobs at St Martinus. They usually could not be accommodated because the turnover rate of teachers at St Martinus that year and the next was quite low.

I think I will just defend St Martinus for the fun of it. I will state facts while folk try to insult me.

[** ****** JD&VB]

It's so hard for me to follow the TOS, I'm not sure why?