Xaiver VS All Saints

[BossHogg]

which one is better? there both in aruba? so which is better

[MYMD]

Flip a coin, both these schools should only be looked at after not getting into one of the Big 4.................good luck

[DOCplucinski]

guess you didn't want to take our advice in either going to undergrad in Canada or looking at much better schools. oh well, it's your education.

[BossHogg]

lol relex mod.....who said im not gonna do my undergrad in Canada...im just looking at my options waht to do after im done my undergradd !!!!!

[Anthony Thomasson]

Both are very poor choices! If you must be in the caribbean look into the following (In no specific order):

St. Georges, Ross, Saba, St. Matthews, MUA Nevis, AUC, AUA


Aside from All Saints and Xavier - Stay far away from these also:

Spartan, Windsor, American Global, St. Theresa, St. James, AIU, CMU and any other small "medical schools" that is not at least on either the New York approval list or California approval list.

Just my 2 cents.

[DOCplucinski]

lol relex mod.....who said im not gonna do my undergrad in Canada...im just looking at my options waht to do after im done my undergradd !!!!!
those two schools should not even be options. i think it would be a better idea to listen to me rather than telling me to relax, but i'm quite fine thank you.

[DONKOGA]

whats wrong with st james?

[BossHogg]

those two schools should not even be options. i think it would be a better idea to listen to me rather than telling me to relax, but i'm quite fine thank you.


mod dont worry no hard feelings.....but im new to this so i really dont know whats good with any of the caribbean....but im gonna atempt to do my undergrad in Toronto and work my way from there and if not apply to the big 4 right???

[saadz82]

Hey , alright man listen.. first of all if you just finished up high school and fd up in it per your message , you are not ready for no medical school.I am just being honest with you.I will highly recommend that, you to go to a university or a community college in Canada and finish up your pre med.Look at the caribbean medical schools req and finish up those courses,if you are planning on coming to caribbean only.Other then that you comp your bach its much more safer option then other.Pre med is not accredited from any caribbean schools unless you go to SGU which is just like a northshore American school.

Xavier and ALLsaints are both same kind of schools.Alls is no longer in Aruba they moved to Dominica.Xavier is money hungry I agree, good teachers only in md not in pre med some pre med teachers know what they are doing others have no idea, so you do not learn anything doing pre med in Xavier.Xavier is open since 2004 and only produced 4 residents out of 45 graduates that tells you alot.They are cheap and they are easy if you are looking for that options.

Again its better if you comp your pre med in Canada..
Hope it helps
Thanks n Good luck..

[pratik]

hey saadz who told u all saints is not in ARUBA we are still running in aruba we just have another campus in dominica too...

[Prophet_x]

What if you're finished undergrad and lack some courses for the medical program...wouldn't pre-med be the best course of action?

[shayloure]

Pre med in the U.S. preferably at a 4 year institution is the best course of action.

[ind3r]

Lol getting in many univerisites in Canada is becoming increasingly difficult. THe average for the more prestiguous ones are atleast above 86%+....(UBC, UofT, McGill, Queens...)

Boss:
If you reallyed f'd up just go to nightschool, enroll in the self-paced courses and ACE them so you can apply to one of those univerisites.... Hell i started and finished physx 12 in 2 weeks and and wrote the provincial in June...

[BossHogg]

but in ontario.....there night school isnt on there own pace....its just w.e. i guess and it is much more easier....but i dunno if toronto school borad has any programs that you can complete on your own pace...


but what if you go to xaiver, can you transfer outta there into a big 4....or is that just not possiblee!!!

[desiallstar]

I agree with the thought of going after high school as it seems so muhc better than toughing it out in Canada for four years only to become rejected by med schools even with a 95% average (stories ive heard), the acceptance rate is only 6 % to get into med school here, so to me i am thinking of going to bonaire, i am currently completing the IB diploma program (higher learning) and don't fancy going to become a doctor only to become screwed by Canada's ghetto system, i was wondering if studying in teh Carribean would be a wise choice as you are pretty much guaranteed med school there...plz comment

[Silvi]

Caribbean schools were created because the demand of medical students is too high for the US and Canada.
On top of this the AMA wrote that according to their forecast in the next years the demand for doctors will also grow more because alot of doctors have to retire.

The best choice in Aruba will be All Saints, this is because of their small classes and very high education and dedication for their students

[ind3r]

i am currently completing the IB diploma program

Cool, ib diploma holder here... what is ur predicted mark atm?

[IMG Reality]

Do All Saints students have on campus housing or do they have to rent apartments off campus like Xavier students do? If so, I know the island isn't that big, do students from both schools typically rent in the same areas?

[ams]

Hmm I know Xavier has a better campus. They dog each other out alot, i know that All Saints had thier professors walk out, and come join Xavier. I did know some All Saints students..and they were pretty cool. I just felt somethings were off about it. I do know that there new Admin/management is suppose to be pretty good. But correct me if i am wrong i dont think they have WHO listing yet....and they say that it takes a certain amount of time for the list to be updated...but still no listing.

either way...you should go for the bigger schools before you consider new schools and feeder schools.

btw its kinda odd that they are or have opened a campus on dominica...turns out alot of med students from ross get dropped every semester...so why not pick them up..and be a feeder school...kinda of like a community college next door to a Big university.




"one of the moderators is a stickler, no names, cuz that would be an infarction"

[tincture]

Hmm I know Xavier has a better campus. They dog each other out alot, i know that All Saints had thier professors walk out, and come join Xavier. I did know some All Saints students..and they were pretty cool. I just felt somethings were off about it. I do know that there new Admin/management is suppose to be pretty good. But correct me if i am wrong i dont think they have WHO listing yet....and they say that it takes a certain amount of time for the list to be updated...but still no listing.

either way...you should go for the bigger schools before you consider new schools and feeder schools.

btw its kinda odd that they are or have opened a campus on dominica...turns out alot of med students from ross get dropped every semester...so why not pick them up..and be a feeder school...kinda of like a community college next door to a Big university.




"one of the moderators is a stickler, no names, cuz that would be an infarction"

This has been brought up before. WHO listing is being replaced by a newer system. The old WHO system doesn't have any sort of accreditation procedure, so having WHO at this point doesn't really mean much. NCFMEA equivalency DOES however make a difference, since it requires an actual accreditation procedure. Xaviers does not have this. All Saints Dominica does have this however.
National Committee on Foreign Medical Education and Accreditation (NCFMEA) (http://www.ed.gov/about/bdscomm/list/ncfmea.html)
I'd also like to add that the campus in Dominica is much larger and well equipped compared to Aruba. Albeit, the lifestyle in Aruba is much more fun.

[ams]

so there is a community college next ross

[Nappi]

This has been brought up before. WHO listing is being replaced by a newer system. The old WHO system doesn't have any sort of accreditation procedure, so having WHO at this point doesn't really mean much. NCFMEA equivalency DOES however make a difference, since it requires an actual accreditation procedure. Xaviers does not have this. All Saints Dominica does have this however.
National Committee on Foreign Medical Education and Accreditation (NCFMEA) (http://www.ed.gov/about/bdscomm/list/ncfmea.html)
I'd also like to add that the campus in Dominica is much larger and well equipped compared to Aruba. Albeit, the lifestyle in Aruba is much more fun.

I agree about WHO. WFME in conjucture with University of Copenhagen in Denmark is in the process of creating a new list which has been mandated by WHO. They have started working on it in April 2007. It should not take many more months before the list is out.

NCFMEA does make a difference if you are a US citizen and want to apply for FFEL (Federal Family Education Loans).

As per their website:
"Why is this type of comparability determination important?
It's important to American students who want to attend a foreign medical school and wish to receive loans under the Federal Family Educational Loan (FFEL) to help them with educational expenses. If the NCFMEA determines that a foreign country's accreditation standards for medical schools are comparable, then any accredited medical school in that country is eligible to apply to the U.S. Department of Education to participate in the FFEL Program."


NCFMEA is not an accreditation agency for foreign medical schools:

As per their website:
"No, the NCFMEA does not review or accredit foreign medical schools.
The NCFMEA only reviews the standards that a foreign country uses to accredit its medical schools."

Yes Dominica has the: Medical Board/Ministry of Health & Social Security, which has been approved by the NCFMEA branch of the DOE.

Only upon accreditation of the Medical Board/Ministry of Health & Social Security, which ASUSM dominica does not yet have, then :

"Any accredited medical school in a country that has comparable accreditation standards as determined by the NCFMEA may apply to the Department to participate in the FFEL Program. As part of the application, the school must provide documentation that it has been accredited by the entity in the foreign country that has responsibility for such accreditation. Evidence of accreditation is just one of the eligibility criteria that the foreign medical school must meet in order to participate in the FFEL Program."

This means that After the School shows proof of Accreditation by the Medical Board/Ministry of Health & Social Security Dominica, then the school may apply for the FFEL program.
And this is only one criteria, so this may take several months.

In conclusion, NCFMEA accreditation of Medical Board/Ministry of Health & Social Security Dominica, not ASUSM, means that the school could be eligible for FFEL loans for US citizens.

This whole process requires many ifs.
IF the ASUSM Dominica gets accredited by Medical Board Dominica
IF they apply to the DOE for the FFEL program
IF they meet all the criteria of DOE

And IF all the IFs are met then it will benefit the US citizens in ASUSM Dominica, which to my knowledge are not in abundance.

ASUM Aruba is not eligible for such loans because the Island of Aruba does not have a medical board which can be reviewed by the NCFMEA.

About "the campus in Dominica is much larger and well equipped compared to Aruba",
I would beg to differ. Maybe the previous one in Sun Plaza but certainly not the current campus. But I respect your opinion

Good day.