My experience with CMU and especially RL

[TonyIvey]

I have been watching this saga with great interest.
I will try to be as candid as possible.

CMU was the first school I applied to and I very quickly grew suspicious of the man known as RL.
I started with my initial call to the school which by the was gave the impression that I was calling his personal cell phone, because he would always answer with "hello" and he would always answer regardless of the time, and yes once I called as late as 8 pm to "test" my theory out.
It struck me as odd that no one else ever picked up, again going back to the fact that it seemed like his cell phone. Ovr a period of 3 weeks, no one seemed to be a part of the school but him.
Next I decided to apply and paid for the application fee and sent my package, no reply from him. I waited for a few days and called. He immediately informed me that I had been accepted, and I said what? just lke that? It was very suspicious that I had to make a consious effort to request the acceptance letter myself. I called back and asked for it, and he assured me he would email it to me within 5 mins. 2 hours later I called back and he then emailed it. I printed and read it, check for any sign that would show me that I had infact earned this acceptance to medical school, I found none. Just a generic letter congratulating me.
I was cautiously excited that I had gotten into medical school as I shared the information with family.

As days went by, I could not shake the feeling that this was a fraud and that the acceptance had nothing to do with me, that they would accept a kindergarten student if they applied.
With this growing feeling I set out to investigate more about the school.
Mind you I had done little research at the time and felt it was only right to dig deeper before committing to it.
I googled "caribbean medical schools" and came up with this forum and boom! the smoking gun.
As I read and read and read, day after day, I could not help feeling like I had been defrauded. Too many red flags presented and I cancelled my decision to go to CMU. I still wanted to keep up with the process of others discovering the truth and hoping they see it soon enough.
With a sense of mischief I decided to keep them on a string of hoping they still had me as a potential student. I kept up communication, asked different questions, from time to time, and was appauled at the lies I got in response. What struck me most was when I discovered his posts here, and the obvious lies, ranging from lack of accreditation and lies about the school itself. I did not know if I was to be upset with RL or feel pity for him.
It was obvious this is a life or death situation for him, to leave one failing medical school and start his own and wanted to make it work at all cost. Except he does not seem to have an honest bone in his bone, and worse still he says it with so much tenacity that you can't help but believe he actually believes the lies himself. Poor guy.

More to come.

[TonyIvey]

I started researching more into other medical schools and finally found one that is accreditated and applied, I can't imagine if I found out about this after paying to go to CMU.
Well, my research revealed that their site was copied from another school, right down to the details that they did not bother to edit out.
RL I want to tell you that what you are doing is a great disservice to the medical profession, because with exposure of schools like CMU, it actually spread into the many areas and continues to degrade the entire reputation that legit schools in the caribbean has, sort of like one bad apple causing the bunch to look bad.
If you cared anything about the students or the profession you should concede to your fraud and give up this quest for opening a medical school. It is not about being fired from one school, if that were the case, and you decide to get back by starting your own school, you have to actually know what you are doing and have to do it right and legally.
It is not about starting a business, this has to do with the future of students and potentially patients down the line. Think of the negative impact you could have on that and how many lives it would affect.
This is not a competition between schools, leave those who can do it to do it and do it right, you tried and you are failing.

Now I know you would come back with some sort of reply attempting to convince yourself you know what you are doing and that you are actually dong it, but everyone can see that you have and continue to lie. You make references to things that do not exist, hoping that with time they will, this is wrong. No matter how much you will it to happen IMED will not list you unless you meet the criteria and ther is no way around that. No matter how much you want the students to be able to take the USLME exams, without the proper accreditations, they cannot.
I sometime wonder how the few students who by watching the videos seem a bit clueless, how they feel or felt when they realized that all the achieved was to spend a one semester vacation on curucao, and that there is not tangible shot of achiving their dreams of becoming doctors.
Again I feel pity, and at the same time, fortunate that I was not one of them.

More to come.

[MDXRS22]

Sad story!!:(

[TonyIvey]

It really gives me the creeps to read some of his posts here, because I remeber how he pitched CMU to me when I called to aske questions initially and with each conversation with him, you cannot help but feel a sense of deception coming from him, like he was not telling you things that were true.
It is not necessary to decieve peopl into believing things that you know for a fact are not true and as much as you want it to be, will not be true anytime soon.
Well, with time as I said I kept them on a string, they had offered a $1000.00 discount if you signed up for that semester and that this was the last semester they would offer it, he was very pushful on the funds, even when I pointed out that they did not have any financial aid, he insisted that I should borrow money for this semester and assured me that by the time I got to sept semester they wuld have a loan program that I could continue with, his pushfullness irked me.
He assured me that sallie mae, teri and a host of other were lined up ready to provide funding for thier students in the sept semester, all lies, I contacted sallie mae, and they never even heard of CMU, I was completely floored at how convincing he made it all sound, I could tell it was a wish he was hoping to happen, but he also knew there was no chance of it, yet he pushed on.

More to come.

[superhumper]

I started researching more .....

Hi All,

How about to send this letter to the Government of Curacao?....

SH

[TonyIvey]

I made a few more calls and still never got to speak to anyone but RL, it was obvious this was a one man show, I marveled at his dedication to it all, but could not help but wonder why he was making it such a swim or sink charade.
Till today I never recieved an official acceptance package, just that first email, no financial aid package, but I chalked that up to the fact that he was too busy on here trying to put out fires around him to actually sit still long enough and work through the actual paperwork on his desk.
Once I called him on the weekend, again to see what would happen and you guessed it he answered and I acted suprised they were open on the weekends, and he replied that they were open 7 days a week, well yes you would be if you run it out of your home and cell phone.
Once I called and there was no answer for a few days straight, I was sure they had closed down due to lack of students, but 4 days later, no such luck.
But you see with other schools at the very least they have people with different depts, if one person was not there, someone else was sure to be there, but not in this case, cos if RL was busy ther was no CMU contact.
This was definitely a huge red flag.
Oh and by the way the same one time only $1000.00 discount was offered again for sept semester, that made me laugh. Cos that was part of his rushed pitch to get more May semester students.
My wife suggested I should contact the local Chicago authorities and complain or at least have something on record, but I thought no, have no time to get involved on that level, besides he could simply go and open up another school out of another state.

Moe to come.

[FOID]

very interesting to read. thanks for the post

[TonyIvey]

I have a feeling RL does not understand the seriousness or the error of his ways, or that he simply does not care, in which case, either way, running a medical school is not the place to be becasue you have to care, care so much about the efforts and future of the students, enough to completely have that best interest at heart, not just their bank account in mind.
RL I'm sure you have seen a doctor at some point, can you seriously with all conscience agree to be treated by one of your students years from now, it would not matter what you respond with becasue my point is that unless you can give a student the best possible chance to be the best doctor they can be, concede. What do you get out of having a student pay up large amount of money overyears, with nothing to offer them but wishes or promises, you have to give them a true tangible future, that is the least you can do.
And no willing it to happen does not count, you have to actually have it in your hands before you claim to have it.

More to come.

[TonyIvey]

My last few calls with RL, were on my part simply a matter of courtesy, as I believe it was the right thing to do. I called to find out how many students were being expected for sept semester and he went on his usual spree of air filled words about how they were expecting so many students, and how a lot of people have transfered from some top schools and how their schol was one of the best and how their dormitories were the rave of the students, and how their students have indian food delivered and have their laundry pickup schedule, pretty much that the students were living it up and loving every minute of it.
He failed however to rave about the classes and workload, but at this point it did not matter anymore, I was sick of listening to a shoe saleman convince me to but a tight feeting shoe that was killing my feet, but convincing me if i wore it long enough it would mold perfectly to my feet. Just sell me a shoe my size and you have a deal.
You have to understand ho it made me feel, knowing what I knew from reading his posts here and how he admitted to few students and claimed all sorts of numbers.
I still ahve not officially told him I will not be attending in sept, I figured I should leave him to his delusions and his hot air.
RL, please do not bother trying to defend yourself, this is my personal account of what went on between us, you may be in denial as usual, but the facts are what they are and you need to step up and shape up, enough with the deception, it is obvious to everyone, and quite frankly the amount of time you spend here defending yourself is a direct result of how badly your charade of a school is managed. How can you have enough time to do anything for your school or get your documents in order, when you spend so much time refreshing the forum to keep up with what is being said so you ca spin your version of it. Enough already.

More to come.

[rlewkowski]

Dear Tony
Whatever your experience with CMU is so far, I feel sorry for it and apologize.
It’s obvious that you are very new to the Caribbean med schools, that why you feel so bad. Based on my 6 year experience in the field, I can tell you honestly that if you didn’t pick one of the big 4, as your med school, you will soon find out what the word "fraud" means. We have transfer student from other schools, which experienced it.

charging for transferring out /$4000/
problems getting transcripts,
grade reports and other documents,
throwing cadaver remains to a garbage can,
holding loan disbursements,
not issuing tuition refund,
charges for dorms students never lived in,
treating students like slaves,
unqualified teachers,
Deans whose license was revoked,
sex harassment,
teachers & students being illegal on the island,
lack of basic teaching materials /sometimes even cleaning supplies or toilet paper/,
library with 0 medical books, etc.

You can find it all on ValueMD.
I have to admit that out of 30 schools in the Caribbean there are few decent once, but only few. Hoverer their tuition is more than or about $10,000 per semester. I hope you got accepted to one of them. If not you should do your research.
CMU is not perfect but we all are trying hard from the beginning to make it better. You can get in touch with our current students and get their opinion. No one has experienced those problems here. Some left and are coming back now since they saw the difference. You should base your opinion not on ValueMD where we are constantly under attacks of other school's cheerleaders or agents. This is how hard it is to get through the first semester. When I started at St. James at its beginning we had much more problems and black PR as we have now at CMU. The school is doing fine now, so are the students.

[stateofequilibrium]

Dear Tony
Whatever your experience with CMU is so far, I feel sorry for it and apologize.
It’s obvious that you are very new to the Caribbean med schools, that why you feel so bad. Based on my 6 year experience in the field, I can tell you honestly that if you didn’t pick one of the big 4, as your med school, you will soon find out what the word "fraud" means. We have transfer student from other schools, which experienced it.
charging for transferring out /$4000/
problems getting transcripts,
grade reports and other documents,
throwing cadaver remains to a garbage can,
holding loan disbursements,
not issuing tuition refund,
charges for dorms students never lived in,
treating students like slaves,
unqualified teachers,
Deans whose license was revoked,
sex harassment,
teachers & students being illegal on the island,
lack of basic teaching materials /sometimes even cleaning supplies or toilet paper/,
library with 0 medical books, etc.You can find it all on ValueMD.
I have to admit that out of 30 schools in the Caribbean there are few decent once, but only few. Hoverer their tuition is more than or about $10,000 per semester. I hope you got accepted to one of them. If not you should do your research.
CMU is not perfect but we all are trying hard from the beginning to make it better. You can get in touch with our current students and get their opinion. No one has experienced those problems here. Some left and are coming back now since they saw the difference. You should base your opinion not on ValueMD where we are constantly under attacks of other school's cheerleaders or agents. This is how hard it is to get through the first semester. When I started at St. James at its beginning we had much more problems and black PR as we have now at CMU. The school is doing fine now, so are the students.

See? Now, just to be fair, I have to say that was well-written, coolly done, and very professional. I hope to see more like that in your future posts.

[emt036]

See? Now, just to be fair, I have to say that was well-written, coolly done, and very professional. I hope to see more like that in your future posts.

Well, to be fair, it did lack the laughably untrue personal attacks of earlier in the evening, but I still fail to see how a medical school can be "doing fine" operating without a charter or any other document issued by the government which allows it to grant an MD degree. Boggles the mind.

[TonyIvey]

Why am I doing this you ask?
I have read a lot of things from many parties but I'm not sure if many people who went through my process actually bother to share it. I had to.
Of course this may not change the way RL spews his jargon here, and he would probably dismiss it as another student who has it out for CMU, but when things like this happens, a personal account helps to bring it home for some people, those who have eyes to see let them see.
RL has a lot to hide, the was he spins and avoids issues ahows it everytime.
When you go to their site, without knowing that even the site was "borrowed", it's difficult really to understand the level of deception that lies beyond the website.
When I think of the fact that I could have naively been a victim of the deception, I really feel grateful that I was spared the pain of the loss that would have resulted from going to CMU, loss of time, money, effort, irrecoverable loss basically, one that I could not have afforded.

CMU is a fraud, plain and simple, they have no chance of success, nto with a shaky foundation of lies, like builing your house without any foundation. They would rather will things into existence that actually take steps to make it happen. They are far from being thorough, rather a well rehearsed one man show, no doubt thanks to his many years at a previous school.
Another note, I went back, all the wau back to RL's first post, back when he was still working for another school, it was ill to read much the same jargon target in favor of another school just as he is convinced about CMU. Really ow do you think that by changing your "school uniform" from SJSM or whatever to CMU supposed to make a differnce if the underlying problem exist, it's like changing clothes without a shower, the funk is still there.
Ok I think the effects of the experience is getting the best of me. But you get the picture.

RL, shape up while you can, if you can, if not change professions, because this is not working too well for you.

[rlewkowski]

Thanks SOE
I try to keep postings on that level

[TonyIvey]

Dear Tony
Whatever your experience with CMU is so far, I feel sorry for it and apologize.
It’s obvious that you are very new to the Caribbean med schools, that why you feel so bad. Based on my 6 year experience in the field, I can tell you honestly that if you didn’t pick one of the big 4, as your med school, you will soon find out what the word "fraud" means. We have transfer student from other schools, which experienced it.

charging for transferring out /$4000/
problems getting transcripts,
grade reports and other documents,
throwing cadaver remains to a garbage can,
holding loan disbursements,
not issuing tuition refund,
charges for dorms students never lived in,
treating students like slaves,
unqualified teachers,
Deans whose license was revoked,
sex harassment,
teachers & students being illegal on the island,
lack of basic teaching materials /sometimes even cleaning supplies or toilet paper/,
library with 0 medical books, etc.You can find it all on ValueMD.
I have to admit that out of 30 schools in the Caribbean there are few decent once, but only few. Hoverer their tuition is more than or about $10,000 per semester. I hope you got accepted to one of them. If not you should do your research.
CMU is not perfect but we all are trying hard from the beginning to make it better. You can get in touch with our current students and get their opinion. No one has experienced those problems here. Some left and are coming back now since they saw the difference. You should base your opinion not on ValueMD where we are constantly under attacks of other school's cheerleaders or agents. This is how hard it is to get through the first semester. When I started at St. James at its beginning we had much more problems and black PR as we have now at CMU. The school is doing fine now, so are the students.
Give it up!

If you have a conscience or want to speak to anything, speak to your deception, anything short of that is more jargon, and more hot air.
I have heard it all before!

[TonyIvey]

That's my story and I'm sticking to it, anyone who has eyes to read, else, oh well.

~TI

[TonyIvey]

Sad story!!:(
It really is.

[TonyIvey]

Hi All,

How about to send this letter to the Government of Curacao?....

SH
I considered it, but in the end I would rather spend the time and effort doing other things of more importance.

[emt036]

Thanks SOE
I try to keep postings on that level

Then I guess it must have been someone else that started a thread with obviously untrue personal attacks against another VMD member. Better get a stronger password, as apparently someone has broken into your account.

[TonyIvey]

very interesting to read. thanks for the post
Sure thing, if I remember any more important things I will share more.

[rlewkowski]

Give it up!

If you have a conscience or want to speak to anything, speak to your deception, anything short of that is more jargon, and more hot air.
I have heard it all before!

If you have heard it all before, than what do you have against CMU?
Just because we are awaiting the listing in IMED, due to the fact that someone created a monopoly on the island, which was by the way against the Netherlands Antilles constitution.

None of our current students experienced those serious issues, that I mentioned before.

[TonyIvey]

Dear Tony
Whatever your experience with CMU is so far, I feel sorry for it and apologize.
It’s obvious that you are very new to the Caribbean med schools, that why you feel so bad. Based on my 6 year experience in the field, I can tell you honestly that if you didn’t pick one of the big 4, as your med school, you will soon find out what the word "fraud" means. We have transfer student from other schools, which experienced it.

charging for transferring out /$4000/
problems getting transcripts,
grade reports and other documents,
throwing cadaver remains to a garbage can,
holding loan disbursements,
not issuing tuition refund,
charges for dorms students never lived in,
treating students like slaves,
unqualified teachers,
Deans whose license was revoked,
sex harassment,
teachers & students being illegal on the island,
lack of basic teaching materials /sometimes even cleaning supplies or toilet paper/,
library with 0 medical books, etc.You can find it all on ValueMD.
I have to admit that out of 30 schools in the Caribbean there are few decent once, but only few. Hoverer their tuition is more than or about $10,000 per semester. I hope you got accepted to one of them. If not you should do your research.
CMU is not perfect but we all are trying hard from the beginning to make it better. You can get in touch with our current students and get their opinion. No one has experienced those problems here. Some left and are coming back now since they saw the difference. You should base your opinion not on ValueMD where we are constantly under attacks of other school's cheerleaders or agents. This is how hard it is to get through the first semester. When I started at St. James at its beginning we had much more problems and black PR as we have now at CMU. The school is doing fine now, so are the students.
In true RL colors it is easier to disctact by picking other issues when a direct issue is directed at you. You should know all these situation, no doubt you have been part of some, and considering your school is still new and so far you are starting off worse, with deception, one can only wait to count your own errors in the near future.
For one thing you need to be concerned about getting accredited, something that no mater how badly you paint other schools they still have that and you don't.
There are a lot of people new to the caribbean school arena, but thankfully few are gullible and naive enough to be registered at CMU.
You started at SJSM and it's doing well now, yes because you left no doubt, besides if it were that good you would still be there - operating.

Let's look at your points
charging for transferring out /$4000/ ~ I doubt you would charge less
problems getting transcripts, ~ I doubt you would be better
grade reports and other documents, ~ ditto
throwing cadaver remains to a garbage can, ~You don't even have cadaver to begin with, also ditto
holding loan disbursements, You have not even issued any loans yet, aslo ditto
not issuing tuition refund, I doubt you would be differnt
charges for dorms students never lived in, Ditto
treating students like slaves, ~Ditto
unqualified teachers, ~Ditto
Deans whose license was revoked, ~Ditto
sex harassment, ~Ditto
teachers & students being illegal on the island, ~Ditto
lack of basic teaching materials /sometimes even cleaning supplies or toilet paper/, ~Ditto
library with 0 medical books, etc. ~Ditto
~As far as we all now these are your own words, wituout any proof can be assumed as your usual lies.

Te rest of your comments are as usual self serving, and purely evasive of the real issues.
It is obvious you will say just about anything, in response to anything, you have nothing else to do, so knock yourself, out as you do here daily.

~TI

[TonyIvey]

Then I guess it must have been someone else that started a thread with obviously untrue personal attacks against another VMD member. Better get a stronger password, as apparently someone has broken into your account.
It really is amazing to watch. Whatever suits the occasion, apparently.

[rlewkowski]

Let's look at your points
charging for transferring out /$4000/ ~ I doubt you would charge less
problems getting transcripts, ~ I doubt you would be better
grade reports and other documents, ~ ditto
throwing cadaver remains to a garbage can, ~You don't even have cadaver to begin with, also ditto
holding loan disbursements, You have not even issued any loans yet, aslo ditto
not issuing tuition refund, I doubt you would be differnt
charges for dorms students never lived in, Ditto
treating students like slaves, ~Ditto
unqualified teachers, ~Ditto
Deans whose license was revoked, ~Ditto
sex harassment, ~Ditto
teachers & students being illegal on the island, ~Ditto
lack of basic teaching materials /sometimes even cleaning supplies or toilet paper/, ~Ditto
library with 0 medical books, etc. ~Ditto


As far as we all now these are your own words, dittos and doubts, wituout any proof can be assumed as your lies as well.

[finishingfifth]

Dear Tony
Whatever your experience with CMU is so far, I feel sorry for it and apologize.
It’s obvious that you are very new to the Caribbean med schools, that why you feel so bad. Based on my 6 year experience in the field, I can tell you honestly that if you didn’t pick one of the big 4, as your med school, you will soon find out what the word "fraud" means. We have transfer student from other schools, which experienced it.

charging for transferring out /$4000/
problems getting transcripts,
grade reports and other documents,
throwing cadaver remains to a garbage can,
holding loan disbursements,
not issuing tuition refund,
charges for dorms students never lived in,
treating students like slaves,
unqualified teachers,
Deans whose license was revoked,
sex harassment,
teachers & students being illegal on the island,
lack of basic teaching materials /sometimes even cleaning supplies or toilet paper/,
library with 0 medical books, etc.You can find it all on ValueMD.
I have to admit that out of 30 schools in the Caribbean there are few decent once, but only few. Hoverer their tuition is more than or about $10,000 per semester. I hope you got accepted to one of them. If not you should do your research.
CMU is not perfect but we all are trying hard from the beginning to make it better. You can get in touch with our current students and get their opinion. No one has experienced those problems here. Some left and are coming back now since they saw the difference. You should base your opinion not on ValueMD where we are constantly under attacks of other school's cheerleaders or agents. This is how hard it is to get through the first semester. When I started at St. James at its beginning we had much more problems and black PR as we have now at CMU. The school is doing fine now, so are the students.

So you are saying that schools not in the "big 4" are not reputable. Wow, SMU and AUA are going to love that. Your response to tony's experience essentially is "well, other schools have problems....so its ok if we are inept also". You claim you are trying to improve the school, but the most essential part of the medical school is missing - ethics. An unethical institution can not create good physicians. You do not have a charter, you are not in IMED, your students (as of this moment) may not apply for the match or take the USMLE. You have been overtly deceptive on this forum. Before you try to spin things or get off topic : the people on this forum are not agents for another school. They were here before CMU existed. They will likely be here long after CMU closes. There are no agents (stop with the paranoid delusions), simply students and physicians who are indicating your complete lack of integrity. Its kind of like tarasoff - we feel we have a duty to warn.

[studentdoctobe]

Oh dear :shock:

I did NOT think it COULD get any worse, but it just DID. Tony thank you so so much for sharing this interesting read. Where do I highlight, all of it? :lol:



This is hilarious :crackingup:

[ansom]

Hey All,

we all know CMU is trying to establish and all know how much time it takes to establish with accreditions. Its true that CMU admin made some mistakes by saying that they have all accredits, now they say they are trying. I do strongly believe that they are trying and confrimed it with the officials of gov of curacao. They are going to receive the charter shortly on CMU Name. Its true.

I request CMU admin to modify the comments on their web site stating that they are not approved and it is in final stage and they started the school with an affiliation to CIU and are getting the charter on their own . All accreditions will be updated as and when they are approved.

This will make every one to have a break and stop bouncing on RL.

[finishingfifth]

Hey All,

we all know CMU is trying to establish and all know how much time it takes to establish with accreditions. Its true that CMU admin made some mistakes by saying that they have all accredits, now they say they are trying. I do strongly believe that they are trying and confrimed it with the officials of gov of curacao. They are going to receive the charter shortly on CMU Name. Its true.

I request CMU admin to modify the comments on their web site stating that they are not approved and it is in final stage and they started the school with an affiliation to CIU and are getting the charter on their own . All accreditions will be updated as and when they are approved.

This will make every one to have a break and stop bouncing on RL.

I wonder if they realize we can spot a school official masquerading as some one else? It really isnt that hard.

[ansom]

Hey Mr. finishingfifth,

Try to stop doubting everything. I am no way connected to the school. I am parent of a student and did some investigation after seeing all your posts with my own interest and I thought its better to post it here so that people like will you stop doubting each and everything.

[finishingfifth]

Hey Mr. finishingfifth,

Try to stop doubting everything. I am no way connected to the school. I am parent of a student and did some investigation after seeing all your posts with my own interest and I thought its better to post it here so that people like will you stop doubting each and everything.

OK, I'll play along with this charade. If you are a parent why arent you more concerned about the complete lack of ethics this school has shown? Why are you sticking up for a school that is robbing your child's money and future? If you cared about your kid you would want him to go to a school that is accredited with a history of success. I am not doubting anything... there is proof. NO IMED, yet it is listed on CMU's website. Dubious claim to a charter, turns out it is a charted from CIU and has no indication of being able to confer an M.D. If you want your kid to be a doctor then help him/her to gain entrance into a reputable institution. If you want waste money, give to RL. Better yet, give it to me, that way you will know the money is being spent on an actual medical education.

[AUCMD2006]

Then I guess it must have been someone else that started a thread with obviously untrue personal attacks against another VMD member. Better get a stronger password, as apparently someone has broken into your account.


either that or he forgot which account he was posting from:)...hehe

i remeber the good ol days on VMD back when men were men and sheep were nervous...back when you got banned for using multiple accounts and stayed banned...hehehe

[ansom]

looks you all have preset mind and are not in a mood to see or realize the reality. I did not even support RL.

Let us not waste your time here and no one decides to which school one has to go just by seeing threads like this. Rather it gives a chance to know and dig more about the institute.

Thats what I did. if you all have doubts, call ministry of higher education, curacao or send an email to them. you get their contact and email on curacao gov web site.

Some one commented that he can dig in and find out who am I. Let him join IT field. I am going to give 1000 bugs if he can dig out at least what ip I am using.


Best of luck. dig out if you wanna 1000 bugs.

[finishingfifth]

looks you all have preset mind and are not in a mood to see or realize the reality. I did not even support RL.

Let us not waste your time here and no one decides to which school one has to go just by seeing threads like this. Rather it gives a chance to know and dig more about the institute.

Thats what I did. if you all have doubts, call ministry of higher education, curacao or send an email to them. you get their contact and email on curacao gov web site.

Some one commented that he can dig in and find out who am I. Let him join IT field. I am going to give 1000 bugs if he can dig out at least what ip I am using.


Best of luck. dig out if you wanna 1000 bugs.

Hmmm .... knows a lot about curacao govt procedure, writes as if English might be his second language, gets very upset if you indicate you want his IP address. And he just opened this account. Sound like anyone familiar?

[studentdoctobe]

looks you all have preset mind and are not in a mood to see or realize the reality. I did not even support RL.

Let us not waste your time here and no one decides to which school one has to go just by seeing threads like this. Rather it gives a chance to know and dig more about the institute.

Thats what I did. if you all have doubts, call ministry of higher education, curacao or send an email to them. you get their contact and email on curacao gov web site.

Some one commented that he can dig in and find out who am I. Let him join IT field. I am going to give 1000 bugs if he can dig out at least what ip I am using.


Best of luck. dig out if you wanna 1000 bugs.
Some obvious hints to who you really are. *tsk tsk tsk*

To think if someone nearly gets away a first time, they'd try try again.

Mods please don't dissapoint us this time with your investigation, thank you for your invaluable services. :mrgreen:

[studentdoctobe]

Hey All,

we all know CMU is trying to establish and all know how much time it takes to establish with accreditions. Its true that CMU admin made some mistakes by saying that they have all accredits, now they say they are trying. I do strongly believe that they are trying and confrimed it with the officials of gov of curacao. They are going to receive the charter shortly on CMU Name. Its true.

I request CMU admin to modify the comments on their web site stating that they are not approved and it is in final stage and they started the school with an affiliation to CIU and are getting the charter on their own . All accreditions will be updated as and when they are approved.

This will make every one to have a break and stop bouncing on RL.


Seems you are taking tony's advice :lol:

I don't know why but the last line got me falling off my chair laughing :crackingup:

[rokshana]

looks you all have preset mind and are not in a mood to see or realize the reality..

we are not preset to think every new school is fraudulent- we are pre set to think that new schools are untested and as a prospective med student (or parent of one), you want to try to get into the best offshore school you can. Many will (myself included) will say really well established ones only, others are a bit more daring and adventurous- which is a good thing- school become established and develop a track record that way.

but after the many months of listening to the cmu cheerleaders (who interestingly have become silent, even DJ $iva...),who promoted the cool dorms and the free phones, and the oh so special basketball nets and the one school offical that has repeatedly lied on this forum, then discovering the blatant plagarism of sgu, univ of utah, and other legit school's websites, we, have become a bit cynical about what is said about this school.

IF you are really a parent of a prospective student- do not spend your hard earned money on a scam (or at best a pipe dream) and raise your child's hopes of becoming a doctor- that, in the foreseable future will not be the fate of ANY cmu student.

[stephew]

user privacy is a big issue. any violation is taken seriously indeed. having said that multiple accounts will be banned (adn we dont rely solely on IP) and if a repeat offender, the proper authorities may indeed be notified.looks you all have preset mind and are not in a mood to see or realize the reality. I did not even support RL.

Let us not waste your time here and no one decides to which school one has to go just by seeing threads like this. Rather it gives a chance to know and dig more about the institute.

Thats what I did. if you all have doubts, call ministry of higher education, curacao or send an email to them. you get their contact and email on curacao gov web site.

Some one commented that he can dig in and find out who am I. Let him join IT field. I am going to give 1000 bugs if he can dig out at least what ip I am using.


Best of luck. dig out if you wanna 1000 bugs.

[dt]

Hmmm .... knows a lot about curacao govt procedure, writes as if English might be his second language, gets very upset if you indicate you want his IP address. And he just opened this account. Sound like anyone familiar?


Interesting observation...

He could be one of those "politicians and local doctors" on the island involved with the school, mentioned here: http://www.valuemd.com/caribbean-medical-university-cmu/141061-future-cmu-2.html#post657772

[dt]

Hey All,

we all know CMU is trying to establish and all know how much time it takes to establish with accreditions. Its true that CMU admin made some mistakes by saying that they have all accredits, now they say they are trying. I do strongly believe that they are trying and confrimed it with the officials of gov of curacao. They are going to receive the charter shortly on CMU Name. Its true.

I request CMU admin to modify the comments on their web site stating that they are not approved and it is in final stage and they started the school with an affiliation to CIU and are getting the charter on their own . All accreditions will be updated as and when they are approved.

This will make every one to have a break and stop bouncing on RL.


Why should RL listen to you when he didnt listen to others? Are you one of those "politicians and local doctors"? If so, you should have more influence than us.... hahahaha...

[mongo18]

So you are saying that schools not in the "big 4" are not reputable. Wow, SMU and AUA are going to love that. Your response to tony's experience essentially is "well, other schools have problems....so its ok if we are inept also". You claim you are trying to improve the school, but the most essential part of the medical school is missing - ethics. An unethical institution can not create good physicians. You do not have a charter, you are not in IMED, your students (as of this moment) may not apply for the match or take the USMLE. You have been overtly deceptive on this forum. Before you try to spin things or get off topic : the people on this forum are not agents for another school. They were here before CMU existed. They will likely be here long after CMU closes. There are no agents (stop with the paranoid delusions), simply students and physicians who are indicating your complete lack of integrity. Its kind of like tarasoff - we feel we have a duty to warn.

Well said.

[AUCMD2006]

looks you all have preset mind and are not in a mood to see or realize the reality. I did not even support RL.

Let us not waste your time here and no one decides to which school one has to go just by seeing threads like this. Rather it gives a chance to know and dig more about the institute.

Thats what I did. if you all have doubts, call ministry of higher education, curacao or send an email to them. you get their contact and email on curacao gov web site.

Some one commented that he can dig in and find out who am I. Let him join IT field. I am going to give 1000 bugs if he can dig out at least what ip I am using.


Best of luck. dig out if you wanna 1000 bugs.

oh i really wish i could. there are IP tracers that are oh so easy to use but unfortunately they are not allowed on here. about 3 years ago it was automatic and part of your IP was included with your posts but cowards using multiple ip addresses complained and VMD caved in and banned the use of them. but it would make thinsg oh so much simpler wouldn't they?

if you want you can pm me and i'l trace your IP through my private emai it really is easy to do

[finishingfifth]

SO Mr. RL, excuse me, ansom, I think you have been called out.

[studentdoctobe]

SO Mr. RL, excuse me, ansom, I think you have been called out.
That id conveniently dissappeared after reading where it said somewhere that multiple accounts could be detected independent of IP's and that appropriate authorities could be notified if they were a repeat offender :lol:

[AUCMD2006]

That id conveniently dissappeared after reading where it said somewhere that multiple accounts could be detected independent of IP's and that appropriate authorities could be notified if they were a repeat offender :lol:


funny how school admin retreat after they find out what can be traced eh?

pathetic attempts at bolstering the schools credibility which was completely lost after they copied sgu's website

[rlewkowski]

funny how school admin retreat after they find out what can be traced eh?

pathetic attempts at bolstering the schools credibility which was completely lost after they copied sgu's website

That’s simply badmouthing and false accusations. You ask me to provide a proof of everything and where is a proof that it was me who posted those messages?

It was not me and I request mods to investigate and clarify it since sooner or later I will be accused of global warming!!!

Those accusations qualify for infractions.

[rokshana]

That’s simply badmouthing and false accusations. You ask me to provide a proof of everything and where is a proof that it was me who posted those messages?

It was not me and I request mods to investigate and clarify it since sooner or later I will be accused of global warming!!!

Those accusations qualify for infractions.

exactly which false accusation would that be...the copying of sgu's website? I think there are plenty of us here that have screen shots of the cmu's website that sgu could use as proof if they ever decided to actually sue yuo for copyright infringement

[finishingfifth]

That’s simply badmouthing and false accusations. You ask me to provide a proof of everything and where is a proof that it was me who posted those messages?

It was not me and I request mods to investigate and clarify it since sooner or later I will be accused of global warming!!!

Those accusations qualify for infractions.

You're right, its not like you have a consistent track record of being deceitful. You have never been under suspicion of multiple accounts before. I really hope I am wrong about this ansom charater, but I doubt it. If I get an infraction, I can live with that.

[DrShikima]

oh i really wish i could. there are IP tracers that are oh so easy to use but unfortunately they are not allowed on here. about 3 years ago it was automatic and part of your IP was included with your posts but cowards using multiple ip addresses complained and VMD caved in and banned the use of them. but it would make thinsg oh so much simpler wouldn't they?

if you want you can pm me and i'l trace your IP through my private emai it really is easy to do

Not if I use a proxy spoof! heh...:mrgreen:

[stephew]

vmd admin determin what qualify as infractions based on the tos.


Those accusations qualify for infractions.

[finishingfifth]

That’s simply badmouthing and false accusations. You ask me to provide a proof of everything and where is a proof that it was me who posted those messages?

It was not me and I request mods to investigate and clarify it since sooner or later I will be accused of global warming!!!

Those accusations qualify for infractions.

Its unlikely that spewing a bunch of hot air could directly contribute to global warming, so dont worry about it.

[DrShikima]

Its unlikely that spewing a bunch of hot air could directly contribute to global warming, so dont worry about it.

It'll just add to his carbon footprint.

[Britimg]

I would strongly advice any prospective student not to associate with cmu. Rl previous venture st james, is only one of the 5 med school worldwide banned for licence by gmc. Any unproven school which is not listed in who, or doesnot have imed is only going to spell headache for u in future.

[diogenes]

....st james, is only one of the 5 med school worldwide banned for licence by gmc. ......
Where is there mention of St. Jas. or these 5 schools on the GMC's website?

[MYMD]

I would strongly advice any prospective student not to associate with cmu. Rl previous venture st james, is only one of the 5 med school worldwide banned for licence by gmc. Any unproven school which is not listed in who, or doesnot have imed is only going to spell headache for u in future.

NO it is not, see I hate it when people do not have the facts here is the link and the quote from the GMC, I looked at this last year and just 2 min ago, St. James is not on the list and never have been it would be reviewed with all the other WHO schools, SJSM has always been a WHO school.

Primary medical qualifications not accepted by the GMC

The following medical schools are currently listed in the WHO directory of medical schools. The GMC is not satisfied about the status of the schools' programmes in the UK with respect to the schools' recognition by the government nor is it assured that the schools' are subject to adequate quality assurance arrangements. At the present time, the GMC is not registering graduates who hold primary medical qualifications obtained from the medical schools listed below. Graduates from these schools are not permitted to make a booking or to take the Professional Linguistic Assessment Board (PLAB) test.
University of Seychelles American Institute of Medicine
Victoria
Mahe
Seychelles
St Christopher's College of Medicine
Dakar, Senegal
Saint Luke School of Medicine
206 Broad Street, Luke Building, 3471 Monrovia, Liberia


GMC | Acceptable primary medical qualification (http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/join_the_register/registration/acceptable_primary_medical_qualification.asp)


I hate the hate others have for schools like SJSM, sorry but it's legit.:rolleyes:

[emt036]

Where is there mention of St. Jas. or these 5 schools on the GMC's website?

Unless it recently changed, I don't see St. James up there, though St. Eustasius and St. Theresa's are:

GMC | Acceptable primary medical qualification (http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/join_the_register/registration/acceptable_primary_medical_qualification.asp#3)

[diogenes]

Unless it recently changed, I don't see St. James up there, though St. Eustasius and St. Theresa's are:

GMC | Acceptable primary medical qualification (http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/join_the_register/registration/acceptable_primary_medical_qualification.asp#3)
Indeed. And there are more than 5.

[MYMD]

NO it is not, see I hate it when people do not have the facts here is the link and the quote from the GMC, I looked at this last year and just 2 min ago, St. James is not on the list and never have been it would be reviewed with all the other WHO schools, SJSM has always been a WHO school.



GMC | Acceptable primary medical qualification (http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/join_the_register/registration/acceptable_primary_medical_qualification.asp)


I hate the hate others have for schools like SJSM, sorry but it's legit.:rolleyes:


Heres a list of schools from that page that may be accepted and again, oh my, SJSM is not on that list either, The Big 4 are not either, so these schools are WHO schools and should pass for the plab.

Primary medical qualifications obtained from the following medical schools may be acceptable for the purposes of GMC registration. Doctors graduating from the following schools seeking registration are advised to contact the GMC (http://www.gmc-uk.org/about/contacts/index.asp) as applications will be dealt with on a case by case basis.
St Petersburg State Medical Academy, Piskarevsky Prospekt 47, St Petersburg 195067
St Petersburg State I.P Pavlov Medical University, Ulica Tolstogo 6/8
St Petersburg 197089
St Petersburg State Pediatric Medical Academy, Ulica Lilovskaja 2
St Petersburg 194100
Grace University School of Medicine, Belize
College of Medicine and Health Sciences, Rodney Bay, Box 2478
Saint Lucia
International University of Health Sciences, P.O Box 1267, Brannigan House, St Kitts and Nevis
American International School of Medicine, P.O. Box 101728, Guyana
Kigezi International School of Medicine, P.O.Box 7, Kabale, Uganda
University of Sint Eustatius School of Medicine, P.O. Box 73, Orangestad, St Eustatius, Netherlands Antilles
St Theresa's Medical University, PO Box 757, Taylor's Range, Victoria Road, Basseterre, St Kitts
Oceania University of Medicine, Oceania University Building, National Health Complex
Motootua, P.O. Box 232, Apia, Samoa


They still even may accept Krigezi grads as you notice and (Gulp) Grace.

[MYMD]

Unless it recently changed, I don't see St. James up there, though St. Eustasius and St. Theresa's are:

GMC | Acceptable primary medical qualification (http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/join_the_register/registration/acceptable_primary_medical_qualification.asp#3)

Yeah I like the record straight thats all, look SJSM is the 5 and 10 cents of the Medical school world LOL, no doubt, I do not pretend that it still has only the basics of a Medical school, although they have Cadavers.

The Charter is Legit ( they went to court in Bonaire over the other school and won cause of the charter, so there is court proof there) It is WHO listed but it's the basics.

[MYMD]

True RL worked for SJSM but he did not start it, the one who started it came from SABA, where he worked or helped in the start up from what I remember, I would really like to keep SJSM out of this from now on, CMU and SJSM have nothing in common other than RL worked for SJSM and so did a few others, but SJSM has no hand in this new school, in fact the President from SJSM was on here in an attack mode a while back.

I'm just a brave student attending SJSM and I do know these People :oops:

Yeah I admit it and thats the start to recovery I hear LOL.

[finishingfifth]

I wonder if RL has instructed currrent students not to post on VMD? Havent heard from them in a while. Are there any in the incoming class?

[TonyIvey]

RL, can you shed more light on the reasons why you left SJSM seems as early as feb 7 07 you were talking about another opne house for anothr schol as the head of operations there. as seen here Medical School Forum :: View topic - St. James Open house (http://www.studentdoc.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6017&view=next&sid=3241b9c6336cbcb185687af36a8423e1)

[MYMD]

RL, can you shed more light on the reasons why you left SJSM seems as early as feb 7 07 you were talking about another opne house for anothr schol as the head of operations there. as seen here Medical School Forum :: View topic - St. James Open house (http://www.studentdoc.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6017&view=next&sid=3241b9c6336cbcb185687af36a8423e1)

Yes But Dr. G is the President of the school, RL was an employee for them.

[saadz82]

Tony whatever you are saying just do not make sense to me i understand that the school is going through some problems with permits and imed ,but as far as the letter of acceptence goes and the packet i recieved it all, actually not only me but 7 other students who applied with me .It is a very proffesional packet with all kind of info, plus I been to office of cmu in chicago and it is up and running not ran by one person but 4- 5 ppl work there.It is run buy a management group memg which is main company for cmu .. so either you had bad luck or something is wrong with your mailing department ..

thanks

[TonyIvey]

RL judging by all your respnses it is evident that you may have some type of problems that is undiagnosed and I mean this in a good way because you don't seem to understand why people come at you the way they are doin and you actually feel justified with your actions and to make it worse you can't even resist posting here because you have not realized that it is killing your time that you could focus on the reasons you are being antagonized.
The more you fight all these fires the more fires you create to fight and you are running around like a chicken with their head cut off, aimlessly repeating yourself and avoiding the real issues.
Go and get CMU listed on IMED, go and get liste don WHO and go and get a charter. keep spending your day here, i try to imagine what your day is like and judging by your presence here I would say 20 hours a day easily is spent, all because you have become a liar and you can't figure out how to stop lying.

[TonyIvey]

Yes But Dr. G is the President of the school, RL was an employee for them.
How does that anser my question.

Again, RL why did you leave that school, shed more light on that.

[finishingfifth]

Tony whatever you are saying just do not make sense to me i understand that the school is going through some problems with permits and imed ,but as far as the letter of acceptence goes and the packet i recieved it all, actually not only me but 7 other students who applied with me .It is a very proffesional packet with all kind of info, plus I been to office of cmu in chicago and it is up and running not ran by one person but 4- 5 ppl work there.It is run buy a management group memg which is main company for cmu .. so either you had bad luck or something is wrong with your mailing department ..

thanks

The office sounds nice. I have an office in my apt (well its the 2nd bedroom). Between myself, the wife, and the cat, we have a staff of three. And one is an M.D., one is a 4th year med student, and the other one has more sense than RL. (Atleast when she spews crap she does it in the litter box). I think the 3 of us have more medical knowledge than the CMUwhole office, yet we arent running a med school. An office and classrooms doesnt make a med school. A charter, IMED, and ethics do. This school is currently missing all 3. Please, I implore you, go to ine of the "big 4", or AUA, or SMU, or MUA-N. Everywhere else is useless. You must be able to get into one of those 7 schools. I dont want to see you throw your future (and money) away.

[TonyIvey]

Tony whatever you are saying just do not make sense to me i understand that the school is going through some problems with permits and imed ,but as far as the letter of acceptence goes and the packet i recieved it all, actually not only me but 7 other students who applied with me .It is a very proffesional packet with all kind of info, plus I been to office of cmu in chicago and it is up and running not ran by one person but 4- 5 ppl work there.It is run buy a management group memg which is main company for cmu .. so either you had bad luck or something is wrong with your mailing department ..

thanks
This in no way negates my points because that was my own experience, I called from early may until about 2 weeks ago, off and on, and have never ever spoken with anyone beside RL, never. not everyone can travel to IL.

And tell everyone the day you will be registering at CMU as one of their new students, as that is even the most important part.
If I had that experience and still got into a good accreditated school, it would not be such a big deal, but to have that experience and find out about all the lies is another thing all together, explain your opinion of that.

[TonyIvey]

The office sounds nice. I have an office in my apt (well its the 2nd bedroom). Between myself, the wife, and the cat, we have a staff of three. And one is an M.D., one is a 4th year med student, and the other one has more sense than RL. (Atleast when she spews poop she does it in the litter box). I think the 3 of us have more medical knowledge than the CMUwhole office, yet we arent running a med school. An office and classrooms doesnt make a med school. A charter, IMED, and ethics do. This school is currently missing all 3. Please, I implore you, go to ine of the "big 4", or AUA, or SMU, or MUA-N. Everywhere else is useless. You must be able to get into one of those 7 schools. I dont want to see you throw your future (and money) away.

My office will look better than your office, I will hav 2 tables instead of one, I have 2 phones even. I can download a website from harvad and make it mine by changing the color, although I can edit is as I go along and as people point things that I missed out to me, infact we will be open eveyday too and we accept all applicants as long as you are older than 5 years old and can read and write. The chrter should be issued next year but it should not stop us from doing business tomorrow, and if you doubt me call the US government they can verify it.

[TonyIvey]

I don't think this RL can change his ways not without some type of treatment from a shrink and he can't even resist posting after admitting that people have told him to stop. he an't help it if he stops posting CMU will die and he can't allow that becasue it is a do or die situation for him. what else will he do if he can't open his own school. nothing. who else will he chat with online if he is not here getting some CMU attention. nobody. it will just be him alone.

~TI

[MYMD]

How does that anser my question.

Again, RL why did you leave that school, shed more light on that.

Just Pointing out what the Role was for RL at SJSM.
As far as the students knew he did his job?

[TonyIvey]

RL see you on dateline NBC investigation soon.

~TI

[rlewkowski]

Just Pointing out what the Role was for RL at SJSM.
As far as the students knew he did his job?

Fair enough, thanks

[Dru]

When I go to the CMU website I see the phone number for contact in Chicago. It is listed as 847-299-5575. When I go to the reverse phone directory I get a lady listed with an apartment address on Milwaukee Avenue in Northbrook, Illinois. The other phone number for CMU is 847-299-5549. When I do a reverse phone search for it, I get a message that it is a cell number in some directories, and it is listed as a land line based in Des Plaines, Illinois in one reverse directory. The CMU website states that the Medical Education Management Group is their U.S. office. When I go to the address of 10275 West Higgins Road I find that it is an office building with 30 business including Proctor and Gamble, but the Medical Education Management Group is not listed. The CMU website has a page regarding the Dean of Students and his responsibilities. It includes a nice picture of a good looking man, but there is no name. When I go to the Caribbean phone directory and look up all the different medical schools, I see addresses and several phone numbers for each one. When I go to the Curacao white and yellow pages and look up CMU I keep getting "not on file" messages. The CMU website lists their Curacao address as WTC Piscadera Bay in Willenstad, which is the capital of Curacao. When I look at the WTC business who occupy office space, I do not find any listing for CMU. The CMU website lists two Curacao phone numbers (5999-463-6453 & 646-401-0636). When I do a reverse search in the Curacao phone directory I get "not on file" messages. When I go to the Curacao Commercial Register I find that CMU is listed as a LLC or Private Limited Liability Company, and it was just incorporated on 8/20/2007. It says it is a "Higher Vocational Education, Scientific & Research Institution, Organization and Coordination of Congresses, and Seminars and Conventions".

When I go to the CMU site I see that RL is the "Director of Student Finances".

I think that says it all.

[stephew]

wow i tried a reverse search and youre right. google maps even showed me a nice pic.

[TonyIvey]

When I go to the CMU website I see the phone number for contact in Chicago. It is listed as 847-299-5575. When I go to the reverse phone directory I get a lady listed with an apartment address on Milwaukee Avenue in Northbrook, Illinois. The other phone number for CMU is 847-299-5549. When I do a reverse phone search for it, I get a message that it is a cell number in some directories, and it is listed as a land line based in Des Plaines, Illinois in one reverse directory. The CMU website states that the Medical Education Management Group is their U.S. office. When I go to the address of 10275 West Higgins Road I find that it is an office building with 30 business including Proctor and Gamble, but the Medical Education Management Group is not listed. The CMU website has a page regarding the Dean of Students and his responsibilities. It includes a nice picture of a good looking man, but there is no name. When I go to the Caribbean phone directory and look up all the different medical schools, I see addresses and several phone numbers for each one. When I go to the Curacao white and yellow pages and look up CMU I keep getting "not on file" messages. The CMU website lists their Curacao address as WTC Piscadera Bay in Willenstad, which is the capital of Curacao. When I look at the WTC business who occupy office space, I do not find any listing for CMU. The CMU website lists two Curacao phone numbers (5999-463-6453 & 646-401-0636). When I do a reverse search in the Curacao phone directory I get "not on file" messages. When I go to the Curacao Commercial Register I find that CMU is listed as a LLC or Private Limited Liability Company, and it was just incorporated on 8/20/2007. It says it is a "Higher Vocational Education, Scientific & Research Institution, Organization and Coordination of Congresses, and Seminars and Conventions".

When I go to the CMU site I see that RL is the "Director of Student Finances".

I think that says it all.
Incredible it's like the school does not even exist but only in thin air and they have managed to collect a semester of fees from students already very scandalous indeed. What would happen if after collecting a whole lot more money in upcoming semester/s and someone dedided to "vanish" with all the money, there would be no one found to be help accountable, it's like they can vanish without a trace anytime, and people will be searching for thin air.It is worse than even imagined.

[TonyIvey]

Whatever happened to id known as "Dr *****" with a home page of SJMS and also a school official for Xavier Bonaire at the same time as seen here http://www.valuemd.com/members/dr-*****.html it's all very very ah what is the word for it now. could he be the same as MDBonaire? it seems here that he knows RL or something of that nature http://www.valuemd.com/st-james-medical-school/16373-arriving.html
So many lines to connect here and I hve so many theories of what I think but ah.One can see for themselves.
Could RL be a doctor too?

[eastern2western]

What are suppose to now? Due to the banning of RL, we no longer have an enemy to attack and this forum just turned into a dead pond of water. Man, my favorite soap is no longer exciting anymore.

[TonyIvey]

What are suppose to now? Due to the banning of RL, we no longer have an enemy to attack and this forum just turned into a dead pond of water. Man, my favorite soap is no longer exciting anymore.
No whining. too bad for you though. if even one student has been spared from spending over 100k and 4-5 years wasted the least you can do is find another channel on your tv and keep it moving.

[byteme]

I know this sounds really unsympathetic, but if, after reading this forum, any student is still considering CMU as a viable option...well, then maybe they deserve their fate.

His ban is temporary so just think of it as a season finale.

Honestly, after what he went through yesterday, he probably needs some rest anyway.

[eastern2western]

No whining. too bad for you though. if even one student has been spared from spending over 100k and 4-5 years wasted the least you can do is find another channel on your tv and keep it moving.
It is hard to believe that I am being attacked for trying to inject a little humor in this forum. One thing I notice is that I think this RL guy is probably some kind of PR person for different schools. If u guys go on to his profile, u would discover that he owns a medical resource management company and that would probably explain his multiple personalities for multiple schools. Here is the link <http://www.memg.us/>

[stateofequilibrium]

I know this sounds really unsympathetic, but if, after reading this forum, any student is still considering CMU as a viable option...well, then maybe they deserve their fate.

His ban is temporary so just think of it as a season finale.

Honestly, after what he went through yesterday, he probably needs some rest anyway.

The problem is, a lot of people don't know about ValueMD or don't do any form of research on foreign medical schools outside of a flashy webpage and flyer. For the most part, they're probably happy (or their parents) in getting into any medical school.

I remember when I first started at AUC, I was on a flight with a bunch of other students bound for St. Eustasius. They had no idea what AUC was.

[byteme]

That's a good point. I hadn't thought of that.

[eastern2western]

When I took my o-chem class last semester, there were a couple of my class mates believed that graduating from medical schools would automatically guarantee them the legal right to practice as a medical doctor. Once I heard that, I had to interrupt their conversion and told them that diplomas and license to practice medicine are two completely different entities. My point is that not a lot of people understand the political parts of medicine.

[librarian]

Whatever happened to id known as "Dr *****" with a home page of SJMS and also a school official for Xavier Bonaire at the same time as seen here http://www.valuemd.com/members/dr-*****.html it's all very very ah what is the word for it now. could he be the same as MDBonaire? it seems here that he knows RL or something of that nature http://www.valuemd.com/st-james-medical-school/16373-arriving.html
So many lines to connect here and I hve so many theories of what I think but ah.One can see for themselves.
Could RL be a doctor too?

I worked at SJSM in 2004. RL was in the Chicago office and there was another man named ***** who taught at the school. He later went on to teach at Xavier Aruba.

[teratos]

When I took my o-chem class last semester, there were a couple of my class mates believed that graduating from medical schools would automatically guarantee them the legal right to practice as a medical doctor. Once I heard that, I had to interrupt their conversion and told them that diplomas and license to practice medicine are two completely different entities. My point is that not a lot of people understand the political parts of medicine.

I don't remember when I first became aware of that, but I know it was sometime after I actually started med school. There wasn't much on the internet back in those days, so I blindly made a decision. G

[Dru]

So has anyone actually been to or toured the "campus"? I looked at all the "campus" pictures in the CMU album, and all I see is pictures of the Curacao Hotel and Suites. I think I have the same pics in my vacation album from when I last went diving there.

[studentdoctobe]

When I go to the CMU website I see the phone number for contact in Chicago. It is listed as 847-299-5575. When I go to the reverse phone directory I get a lady listed with an apartment address on Milwaukee Avenue in Northbrook, Illinois. The other phone number for CMU is 847-299-5549. When I do a reverse phone search for it, I get a message that it is a cell number in some directories, and it is listed as a land line based in Des Plaines, Illinois in one reverse directory. The CMU website states that the Medical Education Management Group is their U.S. office. When I go to the address of 10275 West Higgins Road I find that it is an office building with 30 business including Proctor and Gamble, but the Medical Education Management Group is not listed. The CMU website has a page regarding the Dean of Students and his responsibilities. It includes a nice picture of a good looking man, but there is no name. When I go to the Caribbean phone directory and look up all the different medical schools, I see addresses and several phone numbers for each one. When I go to the Curacao white and yellow pages and look up CMU I keep getting "not on file" messages. The CMU website lists their Curacao address as WTC Piscadera Bay in Willenstad, which is the capital of Curacao. When I look at the WTC business who occupy office space, I do not find any listing for CMU. The CMU website lists two Curacao phone numbers (5999-463-6453 & 646-401-0636). When I do a reverse search in the Curacao phone directory I get "not on file" messages. When I go to the Curacao Commercial Register I find that CMU is listed as a LLC or Private Limited Liability Company, and it was just incorporated on 8/20/2007. It says it is a "Higher Vocational Education, Scientific & Research Institution, Organization and Coordination of Congresses, and Seminars and Conventions".

When I go to the CMU site I see that RL is the "Director of Student Finances".

I think that says it all.

This rl guy is *****

[studentdoctobe]

The problem is, a lot of people don't know about ValueMD or don't do any form of research on foreign medical schools outside of a flashy webpage and flyer. For the most part, they're probably happy (or their parents) in getting into any medical school.

I remember when I first started at AUC, I was on a flight with a bunch of other students bound for St. Eustasius. They had no idea what AUC was.
On Point, sad but true. At least they have no one to blame but themselves for doing little research in such a life long pursuit.

I mean look at this mess known as Caribbean Medical University (CMU), even their website was plagarized from another school, not to talk of the deceit that lies within.

[anencephalic]

I don't remember when I first became aware of that, but I know it was sometime after I actually started med school. There wasn't much on the internet back in those days, so I blindly made a decision. G

But the flashy flyers didn't hurt either, eh?

[stateofequilibrium]

But the flashy flyers didn't hurt either, eh?

No, back then it was all done through telegraph.

"MEDICAL SCHOOL MIGHT STILL BE FOR YOU STOP APPLY TODAY STOP BECOME A DOCTOR TODAY STOP"

[MYMD]

No, back then it was all done through telegraph.

"MEDICAL SCHOOL MIGHT STILL BE FOR YOU STOP APPLY TODAY STOP BECOME A DOCTOR TODAY STOP"

Heck we use just two dixi cups and a string.....................:rolleyes:

[teratos]

But the flashy flyers didn't hurt either, eh?

I had to choose between Ross and AUC. AUC sent me a nice, shiny brochure. Ross sent me a photocopy of their brochure. That clinched the deal. Sad, but true.....I picked my medical school based on the quality of the brochure.....

[studentdoctobe]

I had to choose between Ross and AUC. AUC sent me a nice, shiny brochure. Ross sent me a photocopy of their brochure. That clinched the deal. Sad, but true.....I picked my medical school based on the quality of the brochure.....
No doubt, if a school cannot afford the basic NEW brochure for a student, what else are they willing to cut corners on, the education itself? I would have done the same, given all things being equal.

[atlanticvioxx]

No doubt, if a school cannot afford the basic NEW brochure for a student, what else are they willing to cut corners on, the education itself? I would have done the same, given all things being equal.

There could have been multiple reasons for the photocopy, such as a ruch on the Brochures etc. AUC and Ross are both fine institutions. As for a brochure, it seems the more desperate a place is, teh nicer the brochure they would have. (my opinion only)

[Zut Alors!]

Wow; what a train-wreck, to say the least.

[Genossa maximillian]

Are you kidding me? lol!!!!!!! That's a good one Teratos, a good one! Love your sense of humor. I guess today they will send you a nice pdf file or elaborated cd, better yet, the less than good schools will ask you to download their brochures at mininova.com with trojans and viruses and all that. Good one bro!

Max


I had to choose between Ross and AUC. AUC sent me a nice, shiny brochure. Ross sent me a photocopy of their brochure. That clinched the deal. Sad, but true.....I picked my medical school based on the quality of the brochure.....

[TonyIvey]

rl sending out emails every week sking for tuition is not going to help your situation so stop spamming peopls inbox.

[teratos]

Are you kidding me? lol!!!!!!! That's a good one Teratos, a good one! Love your sense of humor. I guess today they will send you a nice pdf file or elaborated cd, better yet, the less than good schools will ask you to download their brochures at mininova.com with trojans and viruses and all that. Good one bro!

Max


It is the absolute truth. This was 1995. There wasn't much of an internet where I could get information. Both brochures basically said the same thing. Thousands of practicing grads, licensure in all 50 states...blah, blah, blah..... If you had to choose between a school that sent you a bad photocopy of their information vs. a school that sent you a really nice brochure, which would you pick? G

[studentdoctobe]

Stay on topic people.

[TonyIvey]

I had a friend call them again last week to ask question and they told him that if he could get his application in by the end of that day, he could be processed for admission on time and that he would be able to start with this semester group and not to forge that tuition is due by the end of this week. at this point most of our friends are aware of this school.

[TonyIvey]

Anyone who falls prey to this schol cannot balme anyone but themselves. the information is out here and it is up to them to find it.

[Genossa maximillian]

It's funny, very funny, but I will definitely go with the colored one too. Black and white copies sounds like penny pinching, and we know the implications of penny pincning. Good one! Thanks Teratos


It is the absolute truth. This was 1995. There wasn't much of an internet where I could get information. Both brochures basically said the same thing. Thousands of practicing grads, licensure in all 50 states...blah, blah, blah..... If you had to choose between a school that sent you a bad photocopy of their information vs. a school that sent you a really nice brochure, which would you pick? G

[alabi]

Actually, everything Tony is saying here is true because I also applied to this school and my impression of them is very similar if not exact. I found this school when I went to run a search for all Caribbean Medical Schools and when I typed in "Caribbean Medical Schools" this came up first and I looked through their site and it looked like it was pretty good, so I applied.
I even got the same emailed acceptance letter but after I got that, I called him and after speaking with him a few times I concluded that he was using too many words everytime I asked him a direct question and he would end up not answering anything I asked him and that made me believe that he was hiding something so I decided to continue my search for other universities and I found another one and applied.
It's funny that he mentioned that only one person answers the phone because that was exactly what my impression was. A few weeks ago, I heard the school was closing down and it would be a good thing for them to close down but I just wanted to say that this incident as mentioned here is not isolated because that was my impression too.