Going to Belieze in Sep 2007

[ardoulatabadi]

I have planned to start my study first semster in Belieze campus in Sep 2007. I am gonna find out everything about school and let everyone know the truth. I am not getting respond from US office and website is down. If anybody out there reading this please guide communicate.

thx

[BillyBill]

i sent you private message.

[Yossarrian]

I cannot recommend that anyone go to this school and advise you to ignore all messages by BillyBill who is an agent of MUA-B. There are so many other choices of more stable schools. I know several former MUA-B students who are quite happy at SMU or Xavier. You can look at the updated websites and someone will answer the phone. These schools also have loans-MUA-B lost TERI loans which is a definite sign of trouble and instability. If you really insist on going to Belize, do not give them any money-you will not see it again. Yossarrian

[BillyBill]

i am NOT an agent or affiliated with mua b in anyway except for being a student. be cautious of select EXPELLED students posting on the forums bias, slanted, disparaging, disingenious comments about the university. certain elements who were let go use this forum to spread their hateful rhetoric to try and "get even" with those of us who worked diligently and found success. jealousy oh my' :roll:SEVERAL SCHOOLS LOST TERI LOANS due to new policy being amended to cut off aid to "off shore" schools. MUA BELIZE HAS RESIDENTS IN THE UNITED STATES AND MUA BELIZE HAD AT LEAST 3 GRADUATION CEREMONIES AND MUA BELIZE IS APPROX. 6 YEARS OLD. IT IS VERY STABLE. PLEASE PEOPLE STICK TO VERIFIABLE FACTS AND NOT CHIDESH RANTS ABOUT MASS PARANOIA AND SOME "CONSPIRACY" give us break (expelled) peoples. HOW MANY RESIDENTS DOES XAVIER HAVE? NONE, HOW MANY STUDENTS GRADUATED FROM XAVIER, NOT TRANSFERS WHO DID 3 MONTHS OF ROTATIONS, BUT THE WHOLE XAVIER PROGRAM? NONE. I REST MY CASE.

[dt]

I cannot recommend that anyone go to this school and advise you to ignore all messages by BillyBill who is an agent of MUA-B. There are so many other choices of more stable schools.
...
If you really insist on going to Belize, do not give them any money-you will not see it again. Yossarrian

I second this advice.

There are massive amount of choices out there. There are schools worldwide you can get accepted into.

Do more research and be inquisitive.

[Anthony Thomasson]

I second this advice.

There are massive amount of choices out there. There are schools worldwide you can get accepted into.

Do more research and be inquisitive.

Mr. Ardoulatabadi,

I agree with the other wise posters above. MUA Belize is WELL KNOWN to those who frequent these forums as well as to the many students who lost their money and time before they found out the truth about the school and had to start over somewhere else. Be wise - Learn from others mistakes and avoid repeating them!

Ignore BillyBill - that "individual" is actually the couple who own the school - NOT a student as they proclaim every other post...

If you must attend a Carribbean school look into any of these: St. Mathews, Saba, Ross, AUC, St. Georges, MUA Nevus or AUA. All of these schools at least have a stamp of approval by the State of California, the State of New York or both - No easy task as it requires meeting a multitude of specific standards and a exhaustive site visit from officials of those states. To be able to pass means an investment in the tens of thousands of dollars which is a commitment many carribbean schools are unwilling to make, preferring to pocket their money rather than invest it in the school or it's students. MUA Belize remains UNAPPROVED by any state...

MUA Belize: NO loans, NO state approvals, NO fully licensed graduates, NOT owned or run by licensed doctors, NO ACGME "Greenbook" rotations according to students, and few graduates. But they can say one thing, they probably have more former students now attending other schools than anyone else!

Be Smart! Don't be fooled by a slick sounding owner/s shpiel, calling themslves Dr. so and so, whilst never passing board exams themselves, never doing a residency and never becoming licensed doctors of any kind. Stay as far away from MUAB as possible if you're really motivated to be a doctor!

Best of luck to you! Keep looking until you find the right and appropriately credentialled school for you! Don't forget to visit the campus, talk to the students candidly and see the facilities BEFORE you commit any money! A small investment that can save you many hours and months of potential heartache...

[BillyBill]

Once again, i am NOT anything more than a student, yes true some of you are not aware of the students in residency programs in the united states,because you were ACADEMICALLY DISMISSED/EXPELLED from the school, therefore you are not aware of the current state of affairs. please do call yourself out, yes you 4-5 students who partied there way out of san pedro. AND PLEASE DO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW SOME OF YOU WENT THROUGH 4 UP TO 5 (REALLY PATHETIC) DIFFERENT MEDICAL SCHOOLS, AND HOW SOME OF YOU SPENT 4 YEARS IN A 2 YEAR BASIC SCIENCE PROGRAM, PLEASE BE MORE TRANSPARENT ABOUT YOUR CURRENT SITUATIONS TOO.

[Yossarrian]

Well, same old tired tactic of the BillyBill alias the MUA-B Dean trying to discredit anyone who posts a disagreement or in this case, the truth. Believe me, anyone can get accepted and no one gets expelled from MUA-B. I was accepted at Ross, Saba and AUC and decided on St. Chris because I had an aunt and uncle living near Luton and free room and board. It made sense and the instruction was OK-not brilliant by any means but more than adequate. When the school unraveled this couple from MUA-B made their program sound like heaven on earth. Again, great island, horrible school with no real faculty. Even the best faculty member who really tried to help students, a local Belizean, quit. We all understood that he could not pay his rent and eat on empty promises and no paycheck. I learned so little that I will need to repeat the semester of so called instruction, which was primarily self study. Also, I know that MUA-B is doomed and that the likelihood of getting transcripts for licensure is nil. Also, several state boards are wise to MUS-B so it is best to never have it on any application. So, I am earning as much as I can, saving and watching what happens with St. Chris. The choice is to start over or transfer but I will never use any credits fromMUA-B. Yossarrian

[dt]

Once again, i am NOT anything more than a student, yes true some of you are not aware of the students in residency programs in the united states,because you were ACADEMICALLY DISMISSED/EXPELLED from the school, therefore you are not aware of the current state of affairs. please do call yourself out, yes you 4-5 students who partied there way out of san pedro. AND PLEASE DO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW SOME OF YOU WENT THROUGH 4 UP TO 5 (REALLY PATHETIC) DIFFERENT MEDICAL SCHOOLS, AND HOW SOME OF YOU SPENT 4 YEARS IN A 2 YEAR BASIC SCIENCE PROGRAM, PLEASE BE MORE TRANSPARENT ABOUT YOUR CURRENT SITUATIONS TOO.


See, it's posts like this that question your role as a student.

How would you as a mere student know that any of these students were dismissed/expelled?

How come so many students were dismissed/expelled?

Why would the school dismiss/expell so many students, especially since the school is in massive financial trouble? It's a business after all: no students, no money, no school -- a situation unlike what the school is at now.

Since you said you graduated, this means you have been doing clinicals for the last 2 years. How would you know what is going on in Belize when you are not there for the last 2 years? How would you know any of these basic sciences students that were at Belize when you out there rotating at various clinical sites?

[Anthony Thomasson]

Didn't the couple from North Dakota, the non-licensed caribbean medical school graduates/owners of MUABelize... um, I mean "BillyBill" say a few weeks back that they were not going to post anymore? Gosh, they could'nt even keep that promise made to students....

[Compassion MD]

I thought BillyBill was permentaly banned... why is he still alive? :twisted:

[BillyBill]

You People Are Permanently Deranged, Oh My Gosh! Wow, Most Of You Are A Real Piece Of Work, No Matter How Many Times I State, I'm A Successful Graduate, You Keep Coming Back With Looney Attacks About Me Being Some Owner Or Something. All Future Students, No Matter What Some Nut's On This Forum Says. The Facts Are What Are Important. Please Verify These Current Relevant Facts From The School.demand Proof. If You Do Not Believe Me At All. 1. Mua Belize Has Current Residents In The United States. 2. Mua Belize Has Expelled Several Students For Poor Academic Performance 3. Mua Belize Will Be Having It's 4th Annual Graduation Ceremonie This Year Or Early Next Year 4. Mua Belize Students Do There Clinicals In The United States. 5. Mua Belize Is In It's 6th Year Of Operation In San Pedro. This Facts Speak For Themselves, Yossarian I Commend You For At Least Sharing A Part Of The Truth, That You Were More Or Less Given A Second Chance At Mua B, And You Blew It. Actually It Might Have Been Your 3rd Or 4th. Because Most Of The Expelled Students Came To Be Known As "island Hoppers" For Constantly Starting Over And Running Away From There F's And Wf's.

[dt]

You People Are Permanently Deranged, Oh My Gosh! Wow, Most Of You Are A Real Piece Of Work, No Matter How Many Times I State, I'm A Successful Graduate, You Keep Coming Back With Looney Attacks About Me Being Some Owner Or Something. All Future Students, No Matter What Some Nut's On This Forum Says. The Facts Are What Are Important. Please Verify These Current Relevant Facts From The School.demand Proof. If You Do Not Believe Me At All. 1. Mua Belize Has Current Residents In The United States. 2. Mua Belize Has Expelled Several Students For Poor Academic Performance 3. Mua Belize Will Be Having It's 4th Annual Graduation Ceremonie This Year Or Early Next Year 4. Mua Belize Students Do There Clinicals In The United States. 5. Mua Belize Is In It's 6th Year Of Operation In San Pedro. This Facts Speak For Themselves, Yossarian I Commend You For At Least Sharing A Part Of The Truth, That You Were More Or Less Given A Second Chance At Mua B, And You Blew It. Actually It Might Have Been Your 3rd Or 4th. Because Most Of The Expelled Students Came To Be Known As "island Hoppers" For Constantly Starting Over And Running Away From There F's And Wf's.

6. Why does BillyBill, like any other student, know the academic records of other students at Belize when he is
*** not at Belize,
*** away rotating at clinical sites for the last 2 years,
*** spreading unsubstantiated rumors about other students?

7. Why would a school in deep, deep financial trouble expell students when it needs all the money it can get?

8. Why has MUA-B management shown such poor judgement (for eg, the st. chris involvement, failure to pay student's clinical sites) consistently?

9. What cant past and current (are there any?) students' get their transcripts? What happens when down the road a few years when you need the transcript and verification for residency and, hopefully, licensure?

[Anthony Thomasson]

You People Are Permanently Deranged, Oh My Gosh! Wow, Most Of You Are A Real Piece Of Work, No Matter How Many Times I State, I'm A Successful Graduate, You Keep Coming Back With Looney Attacks About Me Being Some Owner Or Something. All Future Students, No Matter What Some Nut's On This Forum Says. The Facts Are What Are Important. Please Verify These Current Relevant Facts From The School.demand Proof. If You Do Not Believe Me At All. 1. Mua Belize Has Current Residents In The United States. 2. Mua Belize Has Expelled Several Students For Poor Academic Performance 3. Mua Belize Will Be Having It's 4th Annual Graduation Ceremonie This Year Or Early Next Year 4. Mua Belize Students Do There Clinicals In The United States. 5. Mua Belize Is In It's 6th Year Of Operation In San Pedro. This Facts Speak For Themselves, Yossarian I Commend You For At Least Sharing A Part Of The Truth, That You Were More Or Less Given A Second Chance At Mua B, And You Blew It. Actually It Might Have Been Your 3rd Or 4th. Because Most Of The Expelled Students Came To Be Known As "island Hoppers" For Constantly Starting Over And Running Away From There F's And Wf's.


Potential students:

Please note: "BillyBill" - alias the owners and non licensed caribbean medical school graduates did not and cannot refute any of the information that follows:

MUA Belize remains UNAPPROVED by any of the 50 states...

MUA Belize has NO loans, NO state approvals, NO fully licensed graduates, NOT owned or run by licensed doctors, NO ACGME "Greenbook" rotations, and few graduates. So in other words, they seem to have the same credentials as your local chicken shack!

What kind of medical school doesn't have and is unable to get educational loans??

What kind of medical school could possibly be run/managed/owned/directed by unlicensed offshore medical school graduates - No doctors??

What kind of medical school has no licensed graduates??

What kind of medical school would set you up in pseudo "clinical rotations"? (not acceptable/not ACGME - come licensure time)

IF YOU'RE READING THIS I THINK YOU'RE STARTING TO GET THE BIG PICTURE...

This is all you really need to know/realize, in order to come to the conclusion to - look elsewhere for a medical school...

Good luck in your studies.

[BillyBill]

all prospective students disregard whatever these lunatics are stating, they are just jealous that they were not able to make it pass semester 1. there claims are outright lies, the clinical sites were valid and excellent. there are several students as of today in resident programs in the united states. the claims of "not having full licensure" is preposterous, being that the school is still relatively young and the farthest people who started could have achieved by now would be residency. BEWARE OF SELECT STUDENTS WHO FAILED OUT OR WERE EXPELLED OR WHO BAILED OUT AFTER REPEATING SEVERAL CLASSES OVER AND OVER AND OVER. if you want to be a serious student, and want to make the grade, do not listen to these people, they are most likley have a chip on their shoulder, which is being expelled/failed out. again i am NOT AN OWNER OR HAVE ANY AFFILIAITON WITH THE SCHOOL BESIDES BEING A STUDENT, AND MUA BELIZE HAS RESIDENTS IN THE UNITED STATES, ALL CLINICALS ARE DONE AT ECFMG APPROVED SITES IN THE UNITED STATES. PLEASE CALL THE SCHOOL AND DEMAND PROOF. DO NOT LISTEN TO EXPELLED EX-STUDENTS WHO WENT DOWN THE WALK OF SHAME. REMEMBER A LOT OF THESE FAILURES WENT THROUGH MULTIPLE PROGRAMS AND DIFFERENT SCHOOLS ALL OVER THE PLACE. JUST TOTAL MISFITS.

[wcb22]

ALL CLINICALS ARE DONE AT ECFMG APPROVED SITES IN THE UNITED STATES. PLEASE CALL THE SCHOOL AND DEMAND PROOF.

the ecfmg does not approve sites in the united states. acgme does that.

and why do you bold face everything?, capitalize all these sentences?, i'm trying to get an image in my mind of what you are like, but i would imagine you are a frustrated individual.

[dt]

again i am NOT AN OWNER OR HAVE ANY AFFILIAITON WITH THE SCHOOL BESIDES BEING A STUDENT, AND MUA BELIZE HAS RESIDENTS IN THE UNITED STATES, ALL CLINICALS ARE DONE AT ECFMG APPROVED SITES IN THE UNITED STATES. PLEASE CALL THE SCHOOL AND DEMAND PROOF.

the ecfmg does not approve sites in the united states. acgme does that.




See, once again a post that raise doubts as to the poster BillyBill's credibility.

How can you as a graduated student not know the difference between ecfmg and acgme?

[BillyBill]

i mispoke (or mistyped) in haste, please give me a break already!!!!

[dt]

i mispoke (or mistyped) in haste, please give me a break already!!!!


Maybe you could slow down by just capitalizing the first letter of each and every word?

[novleaves]

hi,
i am a medical student with mua bz doing rotations in chicago area... i jsut wanted to correct Anthony in his statement about the school not having any greenbook rotations... the school does have them... i am almost finishing up my rotations and all are greenbook rotations..
i have no other information
thanks

[12345md]

I am in atlanta, just about finished with my rotations. They were all greenbook as well. (400 more students rotated through the same spots, so i think i might be ok) Other than the electives which i set up my self to get them cheaper. I did all of them at the same location as Xavier, aua, st. James, and other schools. There are at least roughly 20-30 more mua b students here doing rotations. I recommend the clinical program cause its the same as most of the other schools with competitive prices. MUA requires 72 total weeks. Xavier, and st james require more weeks.

I know for a fact that 3 of my friends have started residency this year.

About the basic sc. program in the island i cant tell you much, but i think with a push and help from the from the loan programs it can be better. May be ask them for a payment plan (windsor has it). They do have the whole Kaplan course and that helped me a lot. I miss the island dearly, still get emails from the locals. I would say its the best/cheapest island than any other island in my opinion

I know the school might have certain issues, but they work with you more than other schools. And it does not help that all these students are bashing the school. Its better if everyone concentrates on passing their exam instead of filling valuemd with comments.

I can guarantee you that if all these students passed their step one & two, the past problems with the school would not be an issue. The negative energy is bound to come back to the person that it belongs to one day.

Good luck

[Britimg]

Interesting that you have been in chicago for all your rotations. which hospital are you doing your rotation in if u dont mind me asking?

hi,
i am a medical student with mua bz doing rotations in chicago area... i jsut wanted to correct Anthony in his statement about the school not having any greenbook rotations... the school does have them... i am almost finishing up my rotations and all are greenbook rotations..
i have no other information
thanks

[Britimg]

How interesting that you joined the site today and this is your first post and you are backing billybill. which hospital in atlanta did u finish your rotations in?

I am in atlanta, just about finished with my rotations. They were all greenbook as well. (400 more students rotated through the same spots, so i think i might be ok) Other than the electives which i set up my self to get them cheaper. I did all of them at the same location as Xavier, aua, st. James, and other schools. There are at least roughly 20-30 more mua b students here doing rotations. I recommend the clinical program cause its the same as most of the other schools with competitive prices. MUA requires 72 total weeks. Xavier, and st james require more weeks.

I know for a fact that 3 of my friends have started residency this year.

About the basic sc. program in the island i cant tell you much, but i think with a push and help from the from the loan programs it can be better. May be ask them for a payment plan (windsor has it). They do have the whole Kaplan course and that helped me a lot. I miss the island dearly, still get emails from the locals. I would say its the best/cheapest island than any other island in my opinion

I know the school might have certain issues, but they work with you more than other schools. And it does not help that all these students are bashing the school. Its better if everyone concentrates on passing their exam instead of filling valuemd with comments.

I can guarantee you that if all these students passed their step one & two, the past problems with the school would not be an issue. The negative energy is bound to come back to the person that it belongs to one day.

Good luck

[wcb22]

12345md, i can smell the reincarnate billybill through 1000s of miles away. LAAAAAAAME!!

[Anthony Thomasson]

I did rotations in Atlanta and Chicago as well. Please let us know what are the greenbook rotations in Atlanta these days?? There are none. Foreign med schools were outed there a couple of years ago. No hospital with residency programs will accept them. Yes but there are still LOTS of Xavier students there as well as Spartan, St. Matthews, Windsor, MUA Belize and others, but none are doing ACGME Greenbook rotations - their going to doctors offices in groups of 10 -20, seeing very little and getting cheated and duped. They are not touching patients, managing their care, writing in charts, going to directors rounds, morning rounds, M&M meetings, presenting, etc...

As for Chicago, there are primarily only two major hospitals there still left and the spaces are very limited, not to mention you could hardly do ALL your rotations, as there are not residency programs for all areas available. I think someone is not telling the truth here. But please feel free to correct me by telling us where you did do your rotations and I will apologise if I was mistaken.

There are third party companies, flourishing and continuing to sell "clinical rotations" and it seems like most schools go through a company like aime in Chicago including when I was there -Ross , Windsor, St. Chris and others

Dear Novleaves and 12345MD I look forward to reading your post on which rotations you did Atlanta and Chicago and the names of the hospitals. But especially Atlanta...

Ahem....12345MD - Have we met before?? Because you sound awfully familiar, perhaps you've spent some time in North Dakota??

[12345md]

I have done rotations through GMC. In AMC, Decatur medical center etc

Name of the docs are Dr. Persaud, Dr. Cohen, Dr. Phillipe, Dr.Antin, Dr. Poe etc.

The 3 of my friends that got residency did not have a prob with validating these rotations so i wont either. Unless you wanna practice in the white house. They all did them after the Tenet hearing.

GMC has verified it acgme approved so i will take their word. They know how to give the supporting evidence.

If you say I am wrong then you need to post the same negative comments on all the school sites that go through GMC related hospitals.
But your not going to because only MUA B is bad,,right...

Regardless how much you complain, you all need focus on studing vs jumping on any one talking even semi-positive things about schools. Because without them boards u got noting, i dont care if you are from university of allmighty.


I transferred from another school to MUA-B. I can say that the things have not been too smooth. But will they give me my diploma and let me sit for the boards.. yess. Thats all that matters to me. BTW i have not posted one bad thing about the previous school.



and I am not billybilly. Paranoid personality disorder..goes with all factors of a persons life.


Guys really go play some were else and give MUA B some time to get better through more positive influences. But i know this crowd and i know that me saying that will initiate a bigger feeding frenzy...aaarrr


Anyways i still wish you all happy studying. Usmle world is the way to go.

[dt]

I have done rotations through GMC. In AMC, Decatur medical center etc

Name of the docs are Dr. Persaud, Dr. Cohen, Dr. Phillipe, Dr.Antin, Dr. Poe etc.

The 3 of my friends that got residency did not have a prob with validating these rotations so i wont either. Unless you wanna practice in the white house. They all did them after the Tenet hearing.

GMC has verified it acgme approved so i will take their word. They know how to give the supporting evidence.

If you say I am wrong then you need to post the same negative comments on all the school sites that go through GMC related hospitals.
But your not going to because only MUA B is bad,,right...

Regardless how much you complain, you all need focus on studing vs jumping on any one talking even semi-positive things about schools. Because without them boards u got noting, i dont care if you are from university of allmighty.


I transferred from another school to MUA-B. I can say that the things have not been too smooth. But will they give me my diploma and let me sit for the boards.. yess. Thats all that matters to me. BTW i have not posted one bad thing about the previous school.



and I am not billybilly. Paranoid personality disorder..goes with all factors of a persons life.


Guys really go play some were else and give MUA B some time to get better through more positive influences. But i know this crowd and i know that me saying that will initiate a bigger feeding frenzy...aaarrr


Anyways i still wish you all happy studying. Usmle world is the way to go.


Which school did you transfer from? St. Chris?

And can you explain how mua-b and gmc works? Do you pay tuition to mua-b and they pay gmc for all the clinical fees? Do you have to pay extra to gmc or to the clinical sites?

And when did you start your clinicals with mua-b? with gmc?

[dt]

I transferred from another school to MUA-B. I can say that the things have not been too smooth. But will they give me my diploma and let me sit for the boards.. yess. Thats all that matters to me. BTW i have not posted one bad thing about the previous school.




this statement just comes out of nowhere? especially since you just joined and only with 1 post history.

[12345md]

I let you guys know something because i feel some of you have valid questions and I dont wanna do this all the time

ANS: Call Darlene in the US office and she will tell you about the payment. If you have already done rotations, pay the difference. Six semesters GMC(or self setup rotation)- total tuition= schools amount.
They asked me for all the receipts so keep them safe. I semester is 12 weeks

ANS: No i am not a st chris student. I choose not to name the school cause i dont wanna talk bad about it as i already said it was a bad school. whatever happened happened cant change it now. Hopefully they will do better or already are.

ANS: I just joined valuemd cause there are students saying the same stuff over and over like they are MDs from Harvard. They are harming us MUAB students who are just like them, by talking so much bad stuff about the school. Yes you have a point of view ,, we got it. Move on because your point of view is not the same as 2nd or 3rd person.Its hard to concentrate on studying.

ANS:You are making it harder on us by filling valuemd with garbage instead of study related material. Students that are in the school know everything. And students that are comming in will make their own choices.

The students that have not transfered still need to graduate and be MDs. SO start your own website and let the MUAB students concentrate on their studing.

That is all i have to say, so if there is something positive, or a valid question.. i most likely will not give my input, casue there is a lot of studying to be done,, and i suggest you guys get to it too
..
Antony Thomassan you have some valid concerns but as FMGs rotations. We dont have much choice right now with the loan companys pulling out and fmgs messing up rotations in hospitals. Yes you can transfer and hope for the best but i just wanna get done and seen that my buddys did not have a problem reassures me of the rotations.. Also i heard of a student getting dropped from a michigan hospital,, he told everyone that it was because of his school, but infact the docs did not like him being a FMG and told him to repeat a year. so he quit. I dont know who is right but i am banking on my 3 fellow classmates that are in residency. But thats all up to you, you seem like a intelligent person. Good luck.

dt you should be a professional critic.. cause seems like you are a bit nit pikki about phrases instead of the whole message. I ask u to understand the whole message. other students and I dont talk bad about our previous schools, so may be you should tone it down to and focus on your studies.

And that is a honest students prespective. not billy billy, or jimmy jimmy.

Just wrote the whole thing in a hurry so sorry for spelling/gram errors.


Good luck to all and study well.


Here are some questions that were on my step 1 hope this helps..and
regardless what school hopefully we all are MDs before our loan repayments start back up.

1.Know how to calculate cardiac output using oxygen consumption, arterial oxygen and venous oxygen. O2 consumption/ arterial 02-venous 02

3) Man with family history of a brother with adrenal tumor, father and uncle with thyroid cancer. What else would you test for? Prolactin (think Men2A, Men2B)

MEN 2A- pheochromocytoma(adrenal tumor), pituitary adenoma (usually prolactinoma), medullary carcinoma of thyroid
MEN2B- Phoechromocytoma, medullary carcinoma of thyroid, ganglioneuromas

3) 40-yr old man dies, his wife says he has been having chest pains for past month, test reveal mild cardiomegaly with hypertrophied interventricular septum, what is likely diagnosis? Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy ( I put that) other choices viral myocarditis. No other choices made sense besides those two.

4) I was asked to label CN VI, CN VIII on brain stem. It was like the one in the Neuro video. They gave the symptoms of what was wrong and asked you to pick the correct CN nerve on brain stem. For example for the CN VI they said patient had medial strabismus. I think I was also asked to label CN III too. Just use Neuro video it goes through all of them.

5) They showed x-*** of patient who was beaten by husband and had pain on extension o of elbow. They asked you to pick the labeled area of injury. So know where radial nerve crosses

6) 10-yr kid periorbital edema, hypetension, dark urine. What bug likely caused this? Group A Strep pyogenes (acute poststreptococcal glomerulonephritis)

7) They asked what caused hypertension in the above disease? I have no idea choices were prostaglandins, aldosterone (which I chose), ANP, and something else

8) 22-yr old kid with frequent headaches and nosebleeds his BP is higher in upper extremities and lower in lower extremities. What else would you expect to see in this patient? Notching of ribs because I think he had coarctation of aorta.

9) Woman with periumbilical pain and RLQ pain, has rebound tenderness etc, and the leg test produces pain in that area. I chose acute appendicitis.

10) Woman scuba diving comes back up to surface and starts to hyperventilate, why?
They wanted to know what receptors (either central or peripheral) and what they were detecting (PO2 or CO2) that was causing her to hyperventilate. I chose her peripheral receptors detecting lower oxygen at sea level then below with oxygen tank but check on that.

11) They described a person who got shot at T10 level of his spinal cord. They wanted to know where the ascending sensory information at level of T10 would terminate in this person. I figured since his spinal cord was lesioned at that level it terminated in Dorsal root ganglion because it couldn’t go any further. I don’t know if I looked that right way.

12) Person with contralateral sensory, vibration, touch, proprioreception (dorsal column medial lemniscus) and contralateral pain and temperature sensation. They asked where is likely lesion? They listed VPL of thalamus, VPM of thalamus, Medulla and some other crap. I chose VPL of thalamus because they both go there and cause contralateral defecits that high up.

13) What does lupus have autoantibodies against? I put ribosomal proteins ( thinking snRPS). I read that in High yield Cell Molec and Bio.

14) Guy who keeps to himself, doesn’t associate with anyone and likes it that way. Reads physic books for enjoyment. Works from home, what is his disorder? Schizoid personality disorder ( I chose the wrong one, I put Paranoid)

15) Woman who is scared to leave house do anything in public, she shops from home, everything outside makes her tense what’s the problem? Agoraphobia

16) Man with crampy abdominal pain and diarrhea for past week. He was in mountains 3 weeks ago, hiking and all that. What test would you order? I think he had Giardia, so stool test for ova and parasites. Other options listed were stool culture for bacteria, colonoscopy and other stuff that made no sense

17) Pxn who is pottery worker and feels no pain/ temperature when his hand are burning. Also has atrophy of hands and arm. What is the diagnosis? Syringomyelia
He has the atrophy also because its not only compressing Anterior white commisure but also LMN (they listed some other distractors like ALS but Syringo was correct I believe)

18) A clinic that serves Type 1 and Type 2 Diabetics. What is the best indicator of poor glycemic control? Age, weight, race, HbA1c levels were all choices. I chose HbA1c as answer.

19) A man’s urine is accidentally tested in a pregnancy test. It is positive. What is the reason? He has a testicular tumor ( choriocarcinoma secretes bHCG)

20) They listed 9 values and said if one of the 1.2 was accidentally entered as 0.9 how would this affect mean, mode, median.

10.9
20.9
30.9
41.3
51.1
61.2
71.2
80.4
90.6

21) They showed an vertebral angiogram and pointed to an artery asked what would be defect it was occluded. I believe it was the PCA they were pointing to. I put contralateral vision defect.

22) Patient with tendonitis who is on antibiotic, which one? Ciprofloxacin (quinolones cause tendonitis)

23) Pregnant women has heavy bleeding and a cluster of grape like cells are extruded. What is NOT likely to be part of the cells? Answer choices, syncytotrophoblast, cytotrophoblast, chorion villus, and trophoblast. I chose chorion villus b/c I think I read somewhere it is NOT part of the hydatitform mole

24) They gave me BAMH1 restriction enzyme. Showed two genes with BAMH1 restriction sites and the probe of area of interest. They showed the different segment lengths. They wanted to know if cut with BAMH1 was fragment lengths would you get. There is an excellent presentation of this concept in Biochem video to better understand!

25) Which of the following changes gives you reduced blood flow and increased capillary pressure? Constricting efferent arteriole

26) Child with multiple fractures they show picture of his eyes which shows blue sclera. What is underlying defect? Improper procollagen synthesis

27) What keeps PDA open? Prostaglandin (PGE)

28) NE and Drug X raises BP ( I chose cocaine because it is a reuptake inhibitor keeping levels of NE high)

29) Child with cystic fibrois what supplement do you need to give/ Vitamin E (A,D,K also)

30) a patient treated for tuberculosis has peripheral neuropathy, what vitamin is deficienty? VIT B6 because of INH

31) What reaction does ibuprofen block? COX inhibitor. They showed all the reactions from arachnidonic acid to Prostaglandin, Thromboxane and labeled the reactions. Be able to pick the correct reaction

32) A kid white hair, white skin, photosensitivity, metabolism of what is defective? Tyrosine

33) A pxn has buildup of orotic acid but its not a urea cycle issue so where is defect? I was choosing between pyrimidine synthesis or degradation, I chose syntheisis

34) A pxn with endocarditis, Gram stain positive cocci and grows on bile, no hemolysis. What is organism? Enterococcus

35)Man given drug for heart issue and he develops shortness of breath, what is drug? I chose propanolol b/c it is nonselective beta blocker so block B1 and B2 which constricts bronchoconstriction ( use B1 selective beta blockers in asthmatics)

36) Retinoic acid (vitamin A) causes defects in what genes in a fetus? HOX genes ( I read that in HY Cell and Molec Biology)

37) Drug to use in pxn with Pneumocystic jiroveci (formerly carinni) if they are allergic to sulfonamides? Give Pentamidine

38) If they did gene therapy for mucopolysaccharidosies(Hunters, Hurlers) or sphingolipidosies (Tay Sachs, Niemann Pick), where would they have to make sure gene was integrated into within the cell. Okay I said lysosomes b/c they are lysosomal storage disease problems, however thinking about it, there are deficient enzymes so might be rough ER ( look it up)

39) A young woman overdoses on Phenobarbital what would her liver be expressing a lot of? I put smooth ER b/c it detoxifies stuff

40) Man with cholesterol of 300 and triglycerides of 1600 what is the deficiency? Lipoprotein lipase

41) Person on IFN alpha would have what side effect? Fever and chills

42) Young woman with DVT and her sister and mom have similar problem too. What is problem? Factor V Leiden ( there is mutation on Factor V that does NOT allow Protein C to bind) Protein C usually inactivates factor V

43) Kidney transplant (HLA matched) from AB negative man to a O positive recipient, there is rejection after 20 minutes what is problem? I put Rh incompatibility but I don’t know other choice that was tempting was cytotoxic antibodies which was probably answer
44) Methotrexate affects what phase of cell cycle? S phase

45) Methotrexate causes accumulation of what? Dihydrofolate

46) A boy is slow in school, and has macroorchidism, what would you look for? Trinucleotide repeat

47) They described a football injury, showed xray of knee asked what ligament was injured? MCL

48) Described car accident, persons leg receives a blow to front of knee. The tibia is displaced posterior to femur, you had to identify the PCL on the xray

49) Know that obesity is a predisposing factor for osteoarthritis

50) Woman who is nurse, repeatedly hypoglycemic, C-reactive protein is low, what is cause? Self injection of insulin

51) Woman found on floor of apartment with constricted pupils and in stupor, what is likely drug? Heroin

52)Pregnant having hyperthyroidism symptoms? What is TSH, total T4, and free T4
I put low, high and high
53)Zinc finger proteins work by binding to what? DNA sites (I read in HY Cell and Molec Bio book)

54) They showed a drawing of brain all lobes and asked where fluent speech is controlled by? Broca’s area so know where to label it in inferior frontal gyrus

55) Anterior tibial artery is cut what nerve would likely be injured? Its either deep or superficial peroneal nerve, I don’t know

56) The lower lobe of thyroid is removed what artery provides blood supply to this area

57) What drug causes torticollosis and acute dystonia a day after starting a new medication? Haloperidol ( antipsychotic drug)

59) Know what products build up in porphyria cunea tarda

60) What antibiotic gives rash when a person goes outdoors who has a known allergy to cephalosporins? I think its either penicillin or tetracycline, probably penicillin

61) Woman who was at a party comes to hospital says she feels anxious and she describes she has a new insight into people and life, what drug? I put ecstacy

62) Athletes undergo rigorous training for 3 months what muscle fibers would have not have changed over this duration? Semispinalis capitis (postural muscles stay the same)

63) What drug in addition to Amphotercin B would you give fo Cryptococcus neoformans? Fluconazole

64) A man who worked in shipyard for 35 years has pleural plaques on lungs, what is likely cause? Asbestos

65) A boy has Muscular Dystrophy, parents want to know what chances are that other younger son has the disease? 50% b/c its X-linked recessive

66) Know difference between Type 1 and Type II errors
67) A woman with polycystic ovarian syndrome would likely have what additional symptom? Hirsutism

68) Man with Polycystic Kidney Disease dies, what is likely cause of death? I put subarachnoid hemorrhage (berry aneurysm rupture)

69) They also asked what type of inheritance Adult Polycystic Kidney Disease had? Autosomal Dominant

70) A person taking drug experiences bronchodilation, they asked ANTAGONISM of what receptor would cause this? Muscarinic receptors (M3)

71) Why are older people more likely to develop hyperthyroidism? I put higher level of autoantibodies ( I check it online seems to be right answer)

72) They are developing and antibody drug to use for Follicular B-cell lymphoma, what should they develop the antibody to bind? I put bcl-2 b/c that’s what is messed up in this type of lymphoma

73) They described a kid with hepatomegaly and failure to thrive, glucose infusion improves the kid’s symptoms. There is a huge accumulation of carnitine. The child’s younger sibling died as an infant and the casue was labeled as sudden infant death. What is likely diagnois? Medium Chain Acyl CoA Deficiency

74) If a child has a negative Nitroblue Tetrazolium Test (NBT) what bacteria would he be most susceptible to? Staph aureus because it is catalase positive

75) Overuse of antacids especially calcium carbonate can cause osteoporosis and bone fractures

76) A person with Viral Hepatitis B has which of the following levels of AST, ALT, albumin, bilirubin

77) Infant with holosytolic murmur heard at lower left sternal border? VSD

78) They described a child with gray exudate on tonsils what does the toxin do to cause this disease? This is Cornyebacterium diphtheria which has a toxin which causes ADP ribosylation of elongation factor 2 (messes up protein synthesis)

79) Newborn with pneumonia what is likely cause? GROUP B Strep

80) A person has lung infection, the organism is cultured on charcoal yeast, what is it? I put Legionella b/c it grows on charcoal yeast but I don’t know b/c pxn was alcoholic and its not a likely cause in alcoholic but I went with the charcoal yeast tip

81) They described pxn with blistering of skin that spares the oral mucosa, what is the antibody agst? Hemidesmosomes in BASEMENT MEMBRANE

82) Furosemide works where? THICK ASCENDING LOOP OF HENLE

83) A boy is to go into surgery, mom tell doctor that her husband developed an extremely high fever after a surgery and died. What should NOT be used as a muscle relaxant in the son? SUCCINYLCHOLINE (malignant hyperthermia syndrome)

Good luck to all MUAB and other students

[Anthony Thomasson]

OK. First GMC does not have greenbook rotations. They don't do rotations in AMC. They do not have an affiliation. Tenent Health has put the kabosh on them and students going through them. How do I know whats going on with the GMC org? Well since they advertise their hands on clinical rotations, I phoned them. And after a lengthy discussion - (they will say anything -thinking that we are all idiots and desperate) that included things like " You don't have to worry if they are greenbook, because we have already checked and they are" but when you ask about which hospitals, so that you can check - then everything goes south! STAY AWAY FROM THE GMC ORGANIZATION -they have the same amount of integrity and credability as MUA BELIZE!

Second, there are people from my former school who did the lions share of there rotations through them - none were greenbook. Third, I myself rotated with students the majority of which were through GMC and have friends rotating with them right now. Not a one is in a greenbook rotation!

GMC contracts with doctors. Like Dr. C---n and his brother. And this is typical of their rotations - from a friend that did that rotation. You go to the Dr's offices three days a week from aprox. 8-12. you see three patients - maybe - because there are 6 - 10 other students there. You say nothing. You do nothing. Then you go home. One of the three day's you go to an outpatient surgery clinic with 16-22 other students. and you observe the doctor doing colonoscopies, fissurectomies and removing anal/rectal lesions. Then you go home before 12. If you did this, don't fool yourself into thinking you did a surgery rotation! Some people suffer through this for three months as it is their "Surgery Core". It's just rediculous! It's not greenbook, you paid big bucks to be there, you didn't learn anything, and there's no hospital to call to verify your records come licensure time. Just don't do it!

So, I'll say it again MUABelize does not have on it's own or provide real ACGME greenbook rotations. And that tells you what kind of organization you are dealing with! It's "bait and switch", telling you one thing then taking your money for nothing of value in return!

Lastly, with all do respect, 12345MD, you must be one rich and low expectation individual, saying you're willing to invest aprox. $200,000 and 4 years of your life in return for only sitting for the USMLE and that you are banking on 3 people in residency that never faced a licensing board?! Those sentiments pretty much mean you must be devoid of all common sense - no offense intended.

I think the more clever students on this forum who are motivated to become doctors want to get a hell of a lot more for their investment and actually want to LEARN medicine without the Sword of Dammacles hanging over there head and not knowing, whether at any moment the house of cards that is their "medical school" will tumble - with them left with nothing more than $200,000 in loans and nothing to show for it.

DON'T GO TO OR CONSIDER MUA BELIZE -> THAT'S A NO BRAINER!

MUA Belize remains UNAPPROVED by any of the 50 states...

MUA Belize has NO loans, NO state approvals, NO fully licensed graduates, NOT owned or run by licensed doctors, NO ACGME "Greenbook" rotations, and few graduates.

Good luck to you 12345MD. I think that having done no real rotations and havinggone to such a dodgy school - you are going to need all the the luck you can get! My advise for what it's worth -if you haven't already graduated, the don't accept the degree and transfer to a legitamate school. One that at the very bare minimum has approval from either New York State or California.

[12345md]

Anthony T. i do repect and thank u for your advise. You have some interesting points. 3 years from now when we are both lisc. MDs we can look back at our conversation. As per your comment, i think you should go to US Medical school since your expectations are too good for anything else. You are talking like a US medical student. May be thats your calling.

There are about 4-5 schools and about 500 students in the same position as me with the GMC rotations. I guess i will take my chances with them.

And there 7-8 schools in the carib that dont have any graduates in states, liscensed mds or other things mentioned. I will take my chances with them as well.

But you know what i will not do is complain. If you dont like the school get out and people that are comfortable in it, let them be.

I am ambitious, as i have ambitions, and i hope that shows with my board scores.

Let it go bro i understand you had some issues with the school because of your "ambitions" so move on and good luck..

And about that BOLDING OF LETTERS that you were pointing out with billybilly earlier,,,, i guess its contagious haan,, you started doing it too. ;) Telling you man tooo much negative energy. Focus on the boards and positive things.

I know your still gonna talk bad about my self, school and complain so good luck with everything.

If any of the students can share any usmle questions i would appreciate it. More the better.

Thanks and Good luck

[byteme]

You didn't specify which step. I hope this helps: http://www.valuemd.com/free-downloads/

Good luck.

[Anthony Thomasson]

Anthony T. i do repect and thank u for your advise. You have some interesting points. 3 years from now when we are both lisc. MDs we can look back at our conversation. As per your comment, i think you should go to US Medical school since your expectations are too good for anything else. You are talking like a US medical student. May be thats your calling.

There are about 4-5 schools and about 500 students in the same position as me with the GMC rotations. I guess i will take my chances with them.

And there 7-8 schools in the carib that dont have any graduates in states, liscensed mds or other things mentioned. I will take my chances with them as well.

But you know what i will not do is complain. If you dont like the school get out and people that are comfortable in it, let them be.

I am ambitious, as i have ambitions, and i hope that shows with my board scores.

Let it go bro i understand you had some issues with the school because of your "ambitions" so move on and good luck..

And about that BOLDING OF LETTERS that you were pointing out with billybilly earlier,,,, i guess its contagious haan,, you started doing it too. ;) Telling you man tooo much negative energy. Focus on the boards and positive things.

I know your still gonna talk bad about my self, school and complain so good luck with everything.

If any of the students can share any usmle questions i would appreciate it. More the better.

Thanks and Good luck

So Billy B., ***** S., 12345MD or whoever else you think you need to be in order to keep a few suckers coming your way in the coming semesters...

You never got licensed the first time around and it's a sure bet you won't be licensed in three years. Nice try...

First you said your rotations were greenbook, then you said you did them through GMC and they said they are Greenbook, then you said you were at AMC and tenent health when they don't work with the GMC or foreign med school students....When do these lies and misrepresentations stop?

Theres a lot of people on this forum who know the system and the players in it. You've been caught again and again in your lies in a effort to divert unsuspecting students to Mua Belize.

And No. Smart students would never join MUA Belize and any of the other small "schools" without graduates, without approvals and without legitimate rotations if they were given all the facts. And no smart student is going to follow 500 students (the ones you mention that are with GMC) as they leap off a cliff onto the pile of broken bodies below, if they know the fate that awaits them...

Thats where we come in. We are going to do our best to use our voices and experiences to make sure the students who read this forum know exactly who you are (regardless which sign in name you are using) and how to stay on solid ground...

After experiencing your level of intellect on this forum I can fully understand the long history of chaos at MUA Belize and why the rest of the carribbean schools are full of transferees from your "school"...

[dt]

There are about 4-5 schools and about 500 students in the same position as me with the GMC rotations. I guess i will take my chances with them.

And there 7-8 schools in the carib that dont have any graduates in states, liscensed mds or other things mentioned. I will take my chances with them as well.

But you know what i will not do is complain. If you dont like the school get out and people that are comfortable in it, let them be.




How do you know there are 500 students with gmc? And why do you think so many dont care about wasted 4 years and $200,000?

Are you saying that mua-b "dont have graduates in states"? That contradicts your alter ego, billybill.

And, no "liscensed mds"?

No graduates, no licensed mds -- that's pathetic for a school 7 years old.

I think you have low standards (not that's a bad thing ;-)

[dt]

This school's degree is specifically listed on the "unaccredited degree suppliers" by Oregon.

Office of Degree Authorization (http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.aspx) Scroll down.

[BillyBill]

I THINK A.T. AND D.T. BOTH ATTENDED HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL :rolleyes:, THAT IS WHY THERE EXPECTATIONS OF A CARIBBEAN SCHOOL IS STRATOSTROPIC. OH MY BOTH A.T. AND D.T. ARE SOO MUCH SUPERIOR THAN TO THE REST OF US, THAT IS WHY THEY LEFT HARVARD AND DECIDED TO ATTEND ST.GEORGES OR ROSS. :rolleyes:PLEASE SHOW US SOME MERCY YOU 2 BRAINIACS. I WISH I WAS SUPERSMART. YOU 2 ARE LUCKY

[dt]

I THINK A.T. AND D.T. BOTH ATTENDED HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL :rolleyes:, THAT IS WHY THERE EXPECTATIONS OF A CARIBBEAN SCHOOL IS STRATOSTROPIC. OH MY BOTH A.T. AND D.T. ARE SOO MUCH SUPERIOR THAN TO THE REST OF US, THAT IS WHY THEY LEFT HARVARD AND DECIDED TO ATTEND ST.GEORGES OR ROSS. :rolleyes:PLEASE SHOW US SOME MERCY YOU 2 BRAINIACS. I WISH I WAS SUPERSMART. YOU 2 ARE LUCKY


Ah, the alter ego shows up. Welcome back from your all-too-brief posting hiatus.


Note that your colleague 12345md says that your school "dont have graduates in states". Yet you say there are graduates in residency.

You guys should get together and sort out your stories.

[BillyBill]

my apalogies superior being, the fact remains mua belize has residents in different states. call the school for verification, demand the names of the hospitals. THAN CALL THE FREAKING HOSPITALS YOURSELF! STOP BEING LAZY AND PUT IN YOUR OWN WORK TOO!

[dt]

my apalogies superior being, the fact remains mua belize has residents in different states. call the school for verification, demand the names of the hospitals. THAN CALL THE FREAKING HOSPITALS YOURSELF! STOP BEING LAZY AND PUT IN YOUR OWN WORK TOO!


Hi BillyBill,

Superior being here. Since you acknowledged that I am superior (to you at least??), may I suggest this? You should tell that to 12345md instead of me. It's better if your own colleague statement agrees with yours.


sb (for "superior being")

[12345md]

dt, you are right if any of the students that want to practice in Oregan, they should def. transfer out. By the way the F by the listing shows that MUAB is operating in the united states. Last time i checked Belize was a bit more south. Plus what happened to schools like IUHS and Grace not being in there,, oo ya they have the california and ny approval....I am pretty sure i can find decent states to practice in buddy.

At. you finally excepted that billybilly is my fellow student not Dr. *****. Its a start.

Good luck and study hard.

[Anthony Thomasson]

I THINK A.T. AND D.T. BOTH ATTENDED HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL :rolleyes:, THAT IS WHY THERE EXPECTATIONS OF A CARIBBEAN SCHOOL IS STRATOSTROPIC. OH MY BOTH A.T. AND D.T. ARE SOO MUCH SUPERIOR THAN TO THE REST OF US, THAT IS WHY THEY LEFT HARVARD AND DECIDED TO ATTEND ST.GEORGES OR ROSS. :rolleyes:PLEASE SHOW US SOME MERCY YOU 2 BRAINIACS. I WISH I WAS SUPERSMART. YOU 2 ARE LUCKY

A minor correction, I have a degree from Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y. Not Harvard....yet.

Now with regards to "Stratospheric" expectations from any medical school (not just offshore schools located in the Caribbean). If you are paying money to attend a "college of medicine", you sure as hell have the right to expect it to be approved, to be run by licensed doctors, to have graduates, and to provide an honest and thorough education. The above would be reasonable to expect.

But MUA Belize is nothing like the above. That's why we are warning people away from your school-the school you own. That's why noone should contemplate attending MUA Belize!

Oh, by the way, you might want to consider using one alias per thread, as it looks pretty desperate to post under two and three people..

[BillyBill]

you went to cornell. but you cannot get into st.chris in luton.:rolleyes: you bounce around school to school, :roll:demanding licensure from schools that have'nt been around for 2 years. (not mua belize, but where his thinking lies) did you demand licensure from the other schools you were expelled from?that are still up and coming? :roll:i think not. by the way, even the moderators can tell you. NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO USE MULTIPLE ALIASES ON VALUEMD.COM :evil: it is easily traceable. again sir, you have serious creditabilty issues, AND YOUr THREADS HAVE BEEN DISCREDITED IN THE PAST WITH YOUR FA:shock:LSE SLANTED VIEWS. you hold a grudge, because you failed. end of story. sir, how can you insinuate THAT HAVING RESIDENTS IN THE UNITED STATES, SUCH AS MUA BELIZE, IS NOT IN ANY WAY A MILESTONE ACCOMPLISHMENT BEING THAT THE SCHOOL IS SOO YOUNG? MUA BELIZE HAS COME A LONG WAY, APPARENTLY YOU WERE LEFT OUT IN THE DUST.

[dt]

by the way, even the moderators can tell you. NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO USE MULTIPLE ALIASES ON VALUEMD.COM :evil: it is easily traceable.


The method of detection is not foolproof. There are ways around it.

[dt]

The history of mua-b and its owners(?) can be found in internet news archives.


Here is a brief summary...

The principals of this school were initially involved with St. Matthews when it was at Belize. Due to some, obviously serious, irregularity they were locked out of St. Matthews, and St. Matthews escaped to the Cayman Islands where it is currently flourishing well. [1] [2]

Next, they were involved with MUA-Nevis (and Saba indirectly). That didnt worked out, and MUA-N broke the tie and is currently flourishing. [3]

Next came the involvement with St. Chris of Senegal/Lutton fame. [4] That was a fiasco, and costed problems for student at their clinical sites. [5] (Note St. Chris is not flourishing -- and that's a good thing ;-) I believe this last event led to the serious financial problems the school is facing now.


It seems to me that this school appeals only those students with a very high tolerance for uncertainty and have lots of money and time to spare.




1. St. Matthew's changes administration, San Pedro Sun, Belize News (http://www.sanpedrosun.net/old/01-233.html)
2. http://www.ambergristoday.com/archives/18-4-02/index.html (http://www.ambergristoday.com/archives/18-4-02/index.html)
3. New medical school a reality, San Pedro Sun, Belize News (http://sanpedrosun.net/old/01-471.html)
4. http://www.valuemd.com/st-christophers-college-medicine/109141-official-notice-st-chris-students-mua-belize.html (http://www.valuemd.com/st-christophers-college-medicine/109141-official-notice-st-chris-students-mua-belize.html)
5. http://www.valuemd.com/medical-university-americas-mua-belize/110294-poor-communication.html (http://www.valuemd.com/medical-university-americas-mua-belize/110294-poor-communication.html)

[12345md]

To whom it may concern: You know what i hate to be negative,, but that is wrong for you to say that st.chris didnt survive and that is a good thing.

Pretty mean and demented thinking to wish that on any student.

Why would you want to wish bad upon any student when u might not know what they are going through.

You are not warning students, you know what you are doing.


1. Bothering current students that are trying to focus on exams.

2. Ridiculing students of other schools, who have invested precious money and time trying to be decent students and professionals

3. And sadistically making fun of all the students that might be in a tough situation right now.


To whom it may concern.. you are an agent working for one of the schools or consortium as you have talked crap about like 10 otherschools. IF ANY ONE WOULD LIKE TO CHECK IT CHECK d* 'S posts and you will see the negative remarks on a lot of schools including UNIBE which is been around for ever and has federal loans.

Also d* does not have a life and is paid for these remarks as he has no business going to all these schools sites.

d* i hope they are paying you well

And may me when you reach 3000 posts you can put i positive remark on one of the schools.

[12345md]

One more thing dt,, do you think mua nevis is a good school....than why is it listed in the MICHIGAN nonaccredited school list. Check it in your previous oregan post genius..

You know why? Because we are fmgs all of us. So lets stand together.

You know every sucessfull school has to go through their ups and downs.

But back then they didnt have students like u to act as a negative force.

But still u words and thinking is worthless.

I know there are enough muab students to keep it going in the right direction.


and i rest my case.

good luck to all regardless what school you come from...remember we are all in this together and if there is a law passed,, it will effect us all because not many schools are older than 10 years.

united we survive,,or we fall.



If you guys know any elective rotations the VA , DC or MD area i would appretiate it.

[dt]

Well, well, well...

I didnt say st. chris didnt "survive". I said it not "flourishing". I have no idea if it is dead or not.

St. Chris was/is a school with lots of problems. Many were pointed out here on valuemd by various posters. Now why would you want a bad school to survive and continue to cause problems for current and future students. I just dont understand why someone would want that.

I think your perception is very skewed and this is affecting your comments.

[dt]

MUA-Nevis was also listed at one time on Oregon's "unaccredited degree suppliers" list. This was during the time there were linked with mua-b. So, mua-n got the issues straighten out with Oregon. And Oregon noted the New York approval.

MUA-N went through the New York approval process and passed. NYS Medicine Application Forms (http://www.op.nysed.gov/medforms.htm)


What has happened to mua-b since they separated with mua-n?

[dt]

so go to He** , its really mean what you said about st chris. I have a lot of friends in st chris. And i hope they dont find out who you are, they might not be as patient as me..


So, are you from st. chris??

And, is this a threat?

[Anthony Thomasson]

you went to cornell. but you cannot get into st.chris in luton.:rolleyes: you bounce around school to school, :roll:demanding licensure from schools that have'nt been around for 2 years. (not mua belize, but where his thinking lies) did you demand licensure from the other schools you were expelled from?that are still up and coming? :roll:i think not. by the way, even the moderators can tell you. NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO USE MULTIPLE ALIASES ON VALUEMD.COM :evil: it is easily traceable. again sir, you have serious creditabilty issues, AND YOUr THREADS HAVE BEEN DISCREDITED IN THE PAST WITH YOUR FA:shock:LSE SLANTED VIEWS. you hold a grudge, because you failed. end of story. sir, how can you insinuate THAT HAVING RESIDENTS IN THE UNITED STATES, SUCH AS MUA BELIZE, IS NOT IN ANY WAY A MILESTONE ACCOMPLISHMENT BEING THAT THE SCHOOL IS SOO YOUNG? MUA BELIZE HAS COME A LONG WAY, APPARENTLY YOU WERE LEFT OUT IN THE DUST.

So, since your intellect has failed you, you have returned to the tired old crutch of disinformation, lies, deceit and trying to divert the conversation to another school and false histories about those here who oppose what you are doing to well intentioned but uninformed potential students?

Too little, too late... The jig is up! This isn't about me, DT, St. Chris or the cow that jumped over the moon...It's all about crooked individuals, running supposed "medical schools": Which in the case of MUA Belize are strangely absent of a university, have no hospital or medical center or medical facilities, no tenured or permanent teaching staff, no accreditation or approval by any of the 50 states in the U.S., no third and fourth year curriculum teaching students alongside residents in teaching hospitals in the U.S. and not even one fully licensed graduate, not to mention, the the school doesn't even have a single licensed physician director So what kind oof "medical school" is this? The answer is: It isn't...and that's what this is really all about.

MUA Belize by no stretch of the imagination can be considered a successful school in a down phase, nor is it an "up and coming school". It's your school - one with a long and documented history of instability, a poor and transient teaching staff and a high turnover of frusterated students who had to leave in order to secure thre dreams.

[BillyBill]

User can't play nice

[12345md]

MUA-Nevis was also listed at one time on Oregon's "unaccredited degree suppliers" list. This was during the time there were linked with mua-b. So, mua-n got the issues straighten out with Oregon. And Oregon noted the New York approval.

MUA-N went through the New York approval process and passed. NYS Medicine Application Forms (http://www.op.nysed.gov/medforms.htm)


What has happened to mua-b since they separated with mua-n?


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i know that the really problem states... namely oregon are currently on the top of list of priorities... I personally have tried talking with Alvin Contreras from oregon but the man doesn't appear to like any facts that are given to him. He asks for one thing, when its given to him he changes his mind and says that organization xyz is not reliable... and says get this other one... when thats received and shown to him.. he changes his mind and say that is no good try this one... its a big circle of nonsense with no logical direction at all... the state makes no sense at all and when facts are shown to him he denies them or says they're not valid...

I do know that legal council for the school is going to try and figure out what to do with oregon and how to approach it.. because it along with everyone involved there are becoming like an inflamed hemorrhoid...

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dt

its not a threat my friend, just reality.. why dont you go to a st chris student and tell him that you "its good that your school didnt "flourish" and see what happens. I am pretty sure you wont flourish for a couple days after that.

[byteme]

user can't play nice

To which specialist Dr. M. are you referring? Dr. M.T.M., the Neuro/Path 1 prof who left a couple of semesters ago?

Oh, that's riiiight - you can't reply because you've been PERMANENTLY BANNED :crackingup:


Bye bye, Billy. You won't be missed.

[dt]

dt

its not a threat my friend, just reality.. why dont you go to a st chris student and tell him that you "its good that your school didnt "flourish" and see what happens. I am pretty sure you wont flourish for a couple days after that.

Are you a st. chris student??


Looks like you lost it. And so quickly too...

[dt]

ANS: No i am not a st chris student. I choose not to name the school cause i dont wanna talk bad about it as i already said it was a bad school. whatever happened happened cant change it now. Hopefully they will do better or already are.


quoted for archival purpose

[jadedKnight]

User can't play nice

What is funny that you are putting out such bad information. Dr. M has not been with the school since its inception. The only faculty still there is Dr. G who is a local physician and only teaches part time. Also funny what the school admin says about him behind his back. Nothing too nice. Just like how you run down people on this forum.

[12345md]

I suggest all students look are the reality board certification

good luck.

although this for another school, situation is similar for MUAB and other schools

http://www.valuemd.com/st-martinus-medical-school/41771-licensure.html

[Anthony Thomasson]

Dear Billy, *****, MD12345 (It must be confusing to have multiple identities...)

Let's try to not continue and divert the subject matter to other "schools". On this thread we have identified why no student should ever consider your "school" - MUA Belize. Lets leave St. Martinus, St. Chris and everybody else out of the discussion as the huge deficits at MUAB makes all discussions of other schools irrelevent.

Maybe it's time to revisit your roots and return to North Dakota. At least you will finally be credited with one thing...leaving Belize a little cleaner than it's been for some time...

[dt]

Agreed.

I noticed he went bonkers in just 2, 3 posts.

So now this new id has 10 infractions to use up to sidetrack the deficit issues of this school. lol.

[dt]

Added a new link to post 44 above: http://www.valuemd.com/medical-university-americas-mua-belize/141624-going-belieze-sep-2007-a-2.html#post663047


The new link is Ambergris Today Website: Your Source for Issues Concerning La Isla Bonita. (http://www.ambergristoday.com/archives/18-4-02/index.html) . Note that with the benefit of time, we can see that St. Matthews now at the Cayman Islands are doing very well. They made the right decision then.

Quote from the news article:
"Sunday morning about 8:15, Dr. S*******[note currently with mua-b] stepped upon our walkway here with Mr. S******* P**, and they had a private security force that they had hired apparently, to come and remove us or to evict us from the space, which we paid our rent and everything," Dr. H**** H****, President of St. Matthew's told News 5. "And they came into the student library and they told the students to leave the library within one hour. They stated that they would not be allowed to return for their final exams unless certain conditions were met." H**** says not only has their academic environment been destroyed, but that several of the medical students are frightened for their lives.

"In fact, our students were threatened," stated Dr. H****. "There were people who threatened our students with bodily harm and, therefore, I made a very tough decision this morning. Because there was a threat that they would return with their security police force, which numbered at least twelve or fourteen, and overpowering our number of police or security. So that we felt we were at great risk and great harm."

Article goes on to tells how mua-b got started.

An interesting read for me... I had forgotten the details.



Note threats mentioned in the news article.
Note threats mentioned in posts of this thread (which I quoted and archived for the record).

[12345md]

this is the private message i got from one of the moderators

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TOTALLY not Biased and very professional...

I got this warning because i used names and supposedly threatned dt..

well i would like to apologize to dt if he saw it as a threat. I was just simply stating the fact that in your previous post when you mentioned

St.Chris is not flourshing and thats a good thing.

i thought that was very demeted as you know that 300 students were in sort of a problem there,, which now has improved. And when i mentioned of your statement to them .. lets just say they did not have praise for u.

dt and at have been using my deans name out in the open...thats ok right.

Very fair guys..

It might not be a bad idea to open our forum as st chirs did. To have a fair system. Just for students that are focusing on medicine and work out our problems however we need to.


AT so what your saying is that stop focusing on the lisc.boards of the states. And be nit pikki about the school. Interesting.

You guys are something else.

I am in the clinical program of MUA B and its holding up as well as 4 or 5 other schools here. Its just cheaper and shorter 72 weeks. I recommend it to anyone.

If your looking for california or ny dreams .. we cant help you.

[dt]

this is the private message i got from one of the moderators

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ste**** -If you get a warning, put on yer manpants and stop whining about it like a little girl.
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TOTALLY not Biased and very professional...

I got this warning because i used names and supposedly threatned dt..

well i would like to apologize to dt if he saw it as a threat. I was just simply stating the fact that in your previous post when you mentioned

St.Chris is not flourshing and thats a good thing.

i thought that was very demeted as you know that 300 students were in sort of a problem there,, which now has improved. And when i mentioned of your statement to them .. lets just say they did not have praise for u.

dt and at have been using my deans name out in the open...thats ok right.

Very fair guys..

It might not be a bad idea to open our forum as st chirs did. To have a fair system. Just for students that are focusing on medicine and work out our problems however we need to.


AT so what your saying is that stop focusing on the lisc.boards of the states. And be nit pikki about the school. Interesting.

You guys are something else.

I am in the clinical program of MUA B and its holding up as well as 4 or 5 other schools here. Its just cheaper and shorter 72 weeks. I recommend it to anyone.

If your looking for california or ny dreams .. we cant help you.



Lucky you! stephew went into my posts and removed your comments that I quoted for archival.


Did you mentioned it to all 300? How do you know there were 300?
How many went to SGU? How many went with mua-b?


"dt and at have been using my deans name out in the open...thats ok right."

--> okay, show me which post(s) where I did that. Give me the link(s). I'll go change it. You know I cant edit other people's posts or the news articles available to anyone on the internet, right? You cant give me the link(s) because I didnt do what you said!

In fact, your credibility decreases with each post you make. You expect us to believe that you went from "a bad school" to a school with serious financial issues and questionable management capabilities.

And what's with the "we"? You really arent a student are you?

[dt]

I am in the clinical program of MUA B and its holding up as well as 4 or 5 other schools here. Its just cheaper and shorter 72 weeks. I recommend it to anyone.



72 weeks? spartan clinical program is 66 weeks.

mua-b clinical tuition is $7900? spartan's $4250.

spartan been around for 27+ years.


note: spartan also has its own set of issues.

[12345md]

dt i know this is your day job so no need to argue with you any more.

all you do is pick out "phrases" from peoples post and turn the story aound.

sorry bud i am in med school,, cant keep up with your drama.

I have nothing against spartan, unlike you i am not going to ridicule them. I think if you give MUAB 27+ years it would be an awesome school. Also MUAB has been on one island were as many schools change several countries not naming any one school. PLUSSS MUAB owns their own buildings.

All i gotta say is that MUA B requires 72 weeks of clinicals and that means less to pay the Doctors and hospitals. Specially if your going through GMC and they are charging you 360 /week

I have looked at several other schools that require 84, 96 weeks. And their tuition is higher than MUAB. And the their island is nearly not as pleasent as San pedro. Keeping in mind that they use the same sites through GMC.

dt you should open your own website..


I have a perfect name for it.

All Small schools must die...unless I say so.

[Anthony Thomasson]

Dear *****, Jeff, Billy, MD12345 etc,

You don't choose a medical school based on additional weeks of clinical rotations or based on a tuition fee a few thousand one way or the other. You base your decision on the quality of education, stature and it's ability to give you a sound education and a rock solid degree that can't be compromised when looked at by a licensing board. MUA Belize - the "school" you own (and you like to pretend you're a student at on these forums) fails miserably on all accounts...

Thats why MUAB is failing - which is fortunate for all those concerned at the other carib schools. As MUA must contribute in hurting the reputations of the rest of the schools that work so hard to provide a reasonable education and students a chance at their dreams.

MUA Belize is a train wreck! Don't even consider it!

[dt]

dt i know this is your day job so no need to argue with you any more.

all you do is pick out "phrases" from peoples post and turn the story aound.

sorry bud i am in med school,, cant keep up with your drama.

I have nothing against spartan, unlike you i am not going to ridicule them. I think if you give MUAB 27+ years it would be an awesome school. Also MUAB has been on one island were as many schools change several countries not naming any one school. PLUSSS MUAB owns their own buildings.

All i gotta say is that MUA B requires 72 weeks of clinicals and that means less to pay the Doctors and hospitals. Specially if your going through GMC and they are charging you 360 /week

I have looked at several other schools that require 84, 96 weeks. And their tuition is higher than MUAB. And the their island is nearly not as pleasent as San pedro. Keeping in mind that they use the same sites through GMC.

dt you should open your own website..


I have a perfect name for it.

All Small schools must die...unless I say so.

IF ANY ONE WOULD LIKE TO CHECK IT CHECK d* 'S posts and you will see the negative remarks on a lot of schools including UNIBE which is been around for ever and has federal loans.




Hahaha... I dont even think you're a student.

How would you, as a mere "transfer student" into clinicals outside Belize, even know what mua-b owns. Prove that mua-b owns their own building. You cant!

Show me where I ridiculed Spartan in any recent posts. You cant!

Show me where I made negative remarks about UNIBE. You cant!

Show me where "dt and at have been using my deans name out in the open...thats ok right." You cant!

Show me what progress mua-b made in the last 7 years. Tell me how mua-b came to be in such dire financial situation.


I believe your credibility has been greatly diminished by your own posts.

[wcb22]

can't they ban 12345md?

it is obviously billybill. some people will not die!!

[tahaa]

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[Anthony Thomasson]

For the regulars, the 3rd and 4th years and the graduates, there is no question that Billy, MD12345 are in fact one and the same. Right Jeff? Right *****?

At this point your posts have included so many outright lies, so many deceptions and so many bizarre personal attacks, you have squandered any ounce of believability or capital you may have had...

In other words, you are completely and utterly unbelievable at this point, which is why I suggest you go back to North Dakota. Try to get an MPH or something from University of Phoenix and start over. Try earning an honest living for a change by doing an honest day's work in a honorable fashion - that and giving to charity regularly may make ammends for the harm you have done to so many...

[dt]

I have looked at several other schools that require 84, 96 weeks. And their tuition is higher than MUAB. And the their island is nearly not as pleasent as San pedro. Keeping in mind that they use the same sites through GMC.


Strange!?!

Why should students in clinical rotations care how pleasant the islands or San Pedro, Belize, are? Arent they doing their clinicals in the US?

[DOCplucinski]

this is the private message i got from one of the moderators

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maybe you're new to forums, that's called a signature...it's on all posts and all messages...as mine states : AUA Forum Moderator

that is not specifically addressed to you.

[byteme]

PLUSSS MUAB owns their own buildings.

Sorry 12345, this isn't true. In an open student government meeting Dean RS had with us, she confirmed that the school property is being leased from a local hotel owner.

I've no idea if you're a student or not. If you are, you've no idea the experiences your lowerclassmen have had, so I respectfully suggest you take your own advice: get off this forum and go study. The best way to prove your point is to become a licensed M.D. then come back here and shove it down everyone's throat. Not only will this silence the critics, but it will serve as inspiration for us, your lowerclassmen - plus it would be valuable positive advertising for MUA as well.

[12345md]

Byteme dont you want to school succsed, I have watched this forum for a long time. And i did not want to reply like the other students, but its just wrong how much people can try to degrade a decent program.

As a student you must always speak for the school, specially if people are trying to disrespect it over and over agian for the wrong reasons.

I am in the MUA B clinical program and its cheaper and better than other schools so i just wanna help students finish asap without getting stuck to do a 14 extra weeks of rotations.

But i know enough people that have left muab still hold a grudge against it because,,,well they are still not happy.

well i cant prove anything untill i get into residency but i promise you that i will and i will let the haters know that all they want is to persuade students to go to certain schools that are paying them as agents

[jadedKnight]

I am in the MUA B clinical program and its cheaper and better than other schools so i just wanna help students finish asap without getting stuck to do a 14 extra weeks of rotations.


How can a school that offers less clinical training have a better clinical program? Why would a person want to have less training? Doesn't everyone want the best education they can get? The money spent on education is the best investment - if it's at a reputable school.

[dt]

As a student you must always speak for the school, specially if people are trying to disrespect it over and over agian for the wrong reasons.

If you have proof the reasons are wrong, then please provide it.



But i know enough people that have left muab still hold a grudge against it because,,,well they are still not happy.

Maybe its because the school is still holding back their transcripts after months and months of trying.



well i cant prove anything untill i get into residency but i promise you that i will and i will let the haters know that all they want is to persuade students to go to certain schools that are paying them as agents

See, its making statement like "paying them as agent" that drains your credibility.

[byteme]

"As a student, you must always speak for the school". Um, didn't you just flush your own credibility down the toilet with this statement? This is tantamount to admitting you are willing to say anything- truthful or otherwise - in defense of the school.

You said in your first post "the negative energy is bound to come back to the person that it belongs to one day". Totally agree with you there. But to whom does this negative energy actually belong?

Can we please stop with the "agents" poop? Isn't it possible that perhaps, maybe, conceivably, there might be other students on here who had a less positive MUA experience than yours (maybe even through no fault of their own), and have just as much right to post their experiences/observations as you do? Isn't is possible that there are concerned posters out there who just want to help others make informed choices about a medical education? You are trying to persuade people to attend MUA Belize - doesn't this make you an agent? If you're trying to discredit anything the "agents" have to say, aren't you discrediting yourself as well?

And about your statement, "I can't prove anything until I get into residency"...

We already have residents, and the criticism hasn't stopped. What we don't have is a fully licensed MD. Wouldn't that effectively silence the "haters"?

If you really want to help the school, then instead of wasting your time here with all this he said/she said/it said/they said stuff, why not study hard, pass your boards, finish your residency, get licensed, and show everyone the true worth an M.D. from MUA Belize?

Byteme dont you want to school succsed, I have watched this forum for a long time. And i did not want to reply like the other students, but its just wrong how much people can try to degrade a decent program.

As a student you must always speak for the school, specially if people are trying to disrespect it over and over agian for the wrong reasons.

I am in the MUA B clinical program and its cheaper and better than other schools so i just wanna help students finish asap without getting stuck to do a 14 extra weeks of rotations.

But i know enough people that have left muab still hold a grudge against it because,,,well they are still not happy.

well i cant prove anything untill i get into residency but i promise you that i will and i will let the haters know that all they want is to persuade students to go to certain schools that are paying them as agents

[Anthony Thomasson]

Byteme - great post!