countdown to Friday, August 10th, 2007.

[dt]

This is the new date given by the Chairman of this school for the IMED listing.


Previously, months ago, he had insisted that the school had the listing and will provide the paperwork. That never happened.


Friday is the day and I expect it to happen simply because no one can keep stumbling like this.

So, 2 days to go...


To check: IMED - FAIMER International Medical Education Directory - Search Results (http://imed.ecfmg.org/results.asp?country=665&school=&currpage=1&cname=NETHERLANDS+ANTILLES&city=&region=0&rname=&psize=25)

[dt]

Given these 2 posts:
http://www.valuemd.com/caribbean-medical-university-cmu/140515-rlewkowski-who-imed-2.html#post647582

Because CMU is fully legit school and eligible for listing in WHO and IMED as any other Caribbean medical school. However there was a delay in processing our application, which was submitted on March 15th. The delay occurred due to circumstances that were not under our control. As I stated in the previous posts, the situation has been clarified now and within one week we'll post official documents confirming our listing with those two agencies.



and http://www.valuemd.com/caribbean-medical-university-cmu/140477-letter-new-sga-president-fall-2007-a-6.html#post650047

A: As I stated in the previous post the application for the charter was submitted in March. Due to unresolved claims of St. Martinus about their exclusive right to operate medical school on the island, the process was delayed. 2 weeks ago the Government of Curacao clarified that there was no exclusive right and started processing our application. Based on the information we received from the Government officials, the charter will be signed by the end of this week.


I doubt that CMU will be listed on IMED tomorrow, August 10th.

If the Curacao government does sign off on the application, it still has to be sent to IMED. And IMED will want to confirm with the Curacao ministries involved. The administrative details involved, I would think, will take quite a few weeks.

[ind3r]

Oh boy today is gonna be quite entertaining.

[stateofequilibrium]

Well, IMED probably won't reflect the current status of today until tomorrow. So we may have to wait until then.

[emt036]

Well, it's Friday the 10th. However, IMED is still only "Current as of 09 Aug 2007," so maybe later in the day...

[stateofequilibrium]

This is kind of sad how we're all waiting with breathless anticipation like waiting for a good movie :-)

[stateofequilibrium]

Is it Friday yet?

[emt036]

Is it Friday yet?

Yeah, but apparently, the people at IMED don't work or update their database on Fridays...

[DOCplucinski]

i thought i missed everything? i guess not...what happened to all of this proof and questions answered?

[stateofequilibrium]

i thought i missed everything? i guess not...what happened to all of this proof and questions answered?

Nope, but I am running out of popcorn.

[IMG SURVIVOR]

Nope, but I am running out of popcorn.

And you still have some left after all this time :shock:, men I need to call your supplier of pop corn:rolleyes:.

[stateofequilibrium]

And you still have some left after all this time :shock:, men I need to call your supplier of pop corn:rolleyes:.

Called Costco man.

[ind3r]

btw does Grenada have popping corn? I am planning on bringing a popcorn maker so i have a nice affordable snack

[IMG SURVIVOR]

btw does Grenada have popping corn? I am planning on bringing a popcorn maker so i have a nice affordable snack

I remember they give for free basketball nets for the rooms to all students for free.
Do they also have free popcorn and microwave?

[DOCplucinski]

Nope, but I am running out of popcorn.
what a buzz kill.

[dt]

just for the record, i checked with imed and cmu did not show up (as expected). the listing for netherland antilles was 'Current as of 10 Aug 2007'.


Assuming the Charter was signed today, it probably will be another month before the listing is on imed.

[emt036]

just for the record, i checked with imed and cmu did not show up (as expected). the listing for netherland antilles was 'Current as of 10 Aug 2007'.


Assuming the Charter was signed today, it probably will be another month before the listing is on imed.
I guess Rokshana gets to keep her 1EC after all...

[rokshana]

I guess Rokshana gets to keep her 1EC after all...

i win, i win, i win!!!!

[DrShikima]

Where are you going to spend your shiny new EC at? I hope you get a carib to celebrate!

[stateofequilibrium]

i win, i win, i win!!!!

it really is an empty victory though

[FOID]

it really is an empty victory though

but it's still a victory!

[DrShikima]

I just love how the cheerleaders and school officals are no where to be found trying to prove us wrong with rhetoric.

[stateofequilibrium]

I just love how the cheerleaders and school officals are no where to be found trying to prove us wrong with rhetoric.

That is because they have no interest in arguing with people who are clearly agents of other schools. :roll::D

[teratos]

That is because they have no interest in arguing with people who are clearly agents of other schools. :roll::D


I think there may be some double agents out there as well, so be careful. G

[stateofequilibrium]

I think there may be some double agents out there as well, so be careful. G

Are you the gatekeeper?

[IMG SURVIVOR]

Are you the gatekeeper?

I did not like that movie

[DrShikima]

Are you the gatekeeper?

I hope your not the keymaster SOE. I think G would get pretty nervous and all....

[dt]

just for the record, i checked with imed and cmu did not show up (as expected). the listing for netherland antilles was 'Current as of 10 Aug 2007'.


Assuming the Charter was signed today, it probably will be another month before the listing is on imed.


Well, I dont know if it was the charter that was signed on Aug 10, Friday. According to the school website, the charter was issued on April 7, 2007.

[teratos]

Well, I dont know if it was the charter that was signed on Aug 10, Friday. According to the school website, the charter was issued on April 7, 2007.

The plot thickens...

[Scott1981]

ive been watching from the side and not posting as much...... but if this charter was signed on the 10th...... WHERE IS IT? you would think that R. L. would have came on her to post it in all its glory. the link on their "pseudo-website" still does not work for the charter.

maybe they didnt get it after all? :roll:

this is really starting to smell like another school up in the U.K with all their charter issues.

[rokshana]

The plot thickens...

i tried to click on the cmu charter on their website and got an error message- they couldn't "fetch" it for the server-hmmm....really IS there a charter?

notice that it was ALL about the IMED issue, until someone brought up the issue about the charter (and that there was precedent for issues with that) that it became about the charter....

[Scott1981]

CMU | Caribbean Medical University - Campus and Facilities (http://www.cmumed.org/about/campus.htm)

scroll to the bottom under "U.S. Facilities"

Pennsylvania and New Jersey are once again part of their clinical training sites :shock:.

i dont know how to do screen capture so maybe somebody can capture it and post it.

[rokshana]

CMU | Caribbean Medical University - Campus and Facilities (http://www.cmumed.org/about/campus.htm)

scroll to the bottom under "U.S. Facilities"

Pennsylvania and New Jersey are once again part of their clinical training sites :shock:.

i dont know how to do screen capture so maybe somebody can capture it and post it.

i think they just forgot to take it off- their IT isn't exactly the brightest it seems, on the big US map for clinical sites NJ and Pa aren't there.

and dt- how DO you do that? its cool!

[dt]

It would be interesting to see what turns up on CMU's charter webpage. It is empty right now as of this post.

CMU | Caribbean Medical University - Accreditations - School Charter (http://www.cmumed.org/about/charter.htm)


CMU is shooting itself all over. This is getting too painful to see.


Because I am such a nice person I am going to offer some unsolicited advice to CMU.
1. Redo your website. There are too many errors that arose from failure to properly proofread after copying other websites and from trying to propagate lies first told months ago.
2. Confess. Start over. Promise not to lie anymore (and this may be the hardest to overcome since it may be imprinted into your soul).
3. Be humble. Tell the truth.


I confess... In reality I really dont care what happens to CMU. There are so many Caribbean/offshore med schools out there that the success or failure of another one matters not much in the scheme of things.

[dt]

ive been watching from the side and not posting as much...... but if this charter was signed on the 10th...... WHERE IS IT? you would think that R. L. would have came on her to post it in all its glory. the link on their "pseudo-website" still does not work for the charter.

maybe they didnt get it after all? :roll:

this is really starting to smell like another school up in the U.K with all their charter issues.


If signed on Friday, the 10th, it will probably take a while for CMU to get a copy from the Curacao government. CMU will probably post their copy when they get it.

[dt]

and dt- how DO you do that? its cool!

image processing software. you can try 'gimp'. It's free but you'll have to spend some (lots) of time learning it.

[Scott1981]

If signed on Friday, the 10th, it will probably take a while for CMU to get a copy from the Curacao government. CMU will probably post their copy when they get it.

if its anything like a contract, a copy can get certified fairly quickly if not instantaneously. when i was facilitating an affiliation agreement with a florida hospital and AUC, a certified copy was immediately made so each party would have a copy to turn into the florida state govt.

it was a very simple and quick process.

dt, i hope you just didnt give R. L. another excuse to hold out on the charter and claim that they didnt "receive" the copy yet. i can foresee this going in that direction. it can be the next piece of drama that unfolds and cmu will get to claim that it was signed without offering proof. all this while they still collect tuition from potential students even though they are not usmle eligible.

ps- for the cmu cheerleaders who will claim i am an agent of AUC.... i am only a student. the only reason i was involved in that was because my school wanted to do EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK in the state of florida and i wanted to do a rotation in this particular hospital. time was sensitive so i was in constant contact with both parties.

this is how CMU should learn to do business. DO THINGS BY THE BOOK and you will eventually become legit.

[IMG SURVIVOR]

So what happens to the students? do they get their money back?

What about their classes can they transfer?
What school accepts CMU credits?
Teratos I did not knew you were a faculty there, o wait is not you.LOL

[dt]

dt, i hope you just didnt give R. L. another excuse to hold out on the charter and claim that they didnt "receive" the copy yet. i can foresee this going in that direction. it can be the next piece of drama that unfolds and cmu will get to claim that it was signed without offering proof. all this while they still collect tuition from potential students even though they are not usmle eligible.


No, an eariler post by MDbonaire07 (now banned for duplicate account?) had said that they will get their copy Monday.

http://www.valuemd.com/caribbean-medical-university-cmu/140933-congratulations.html

[DOCplucinski]

No, an eariler post by MDbonaire07 (now banned for duplicate account?) had said that they will get their copy Monday.

http://www.valuemd.com/caribbean-medical-university-cmu/140933-congratulations.html
you're going to LOVE to see how this pans out. just sit tight

[rokshana]

you're going to LOVE to see how this pans out. just sit tight

do we actually get to find out???? I'm dying of curiosity here!!!


my theory? mdbonaire is RL's evil (yet supportive!!) twin!!!

[stateofequilibrium]

you're going to LOVE to see how this pans out. just sit tight

"Due to there being water on the beach, we could not get the charter Monday, we promise big things on Friday. You'll see!"

[Phrozen]

"Due to there being water on the beach, we could not get the charter Monday, we promise big things on Friday. You'll see!"

LOL

They should start a bet on Bodog (betting site) on when CMU gets listed by IMED/WHO. We could make a killing :p

[dt]

At CMU | Caribbean Medical University - Accreditations - School Charter (http://www.cmumed.org/about/charter.htm) there are 3 letters posted.

The first one is dated June 30th, 2007, from CMU to Ministry of Education stating intention of establishing undergrad programs.

The 2nd letter, ref # 2007/22126/38711, is from the Governor of Curacao to CMU date stamped Aug 13, 2007. In it the Governor invites CMU to start the application process and asked the Dept of Economic Affairs to help guide the process of establishing a medical school.

The 3rd letter dated October 2001 from the Minister of Education to Caribbean International University (CIU) informed CIU they have been granted the right to Degrees of Doctors in 11 faculties of CIU.


So, I am puzzled.

Nowhere is CMU even close to being a med school. CMU needs to begin the application process to establish a med school (2nd letter).

I interpret 'Degrees of Doctors' as PhD degrees. Am I correct? The only faculty of CIU close to being, maybe, a medical program is Faculty of Health Science. I would think 'Degrees of Doctors' does not include 'Doctor of Medicine' degree.



St. Martinus site About Caribbean Medical Schools (http://www.martinus.edu/index.php?Content__state=About&tabset1__tab=5) has some documents we can look at to compare.

[stateofequilibrium]

I just read their supposed 'charter.' Very interesting. As you said, the first letter was stating intent to start an UNDERGRADUATE school. The second was the reply telling them they have to follow certain procedures first and they would be having someone guide them.

The third was about CIU (not CMU), and nowhere is it listed that it has the ability to confer doctor of medicine. In fact, that is not EVEN the charter for CIU.

WHERE IS THE CHARTER? Wow, are they throwing up whatever they can find in the hopes that something formal and legal looking will appease the people who are out for the truth?

[dt]

By the way, rlewkowski, thanks for posting the letters. It's a good step towards more openness. Now I have a better view where CMU stands, where it is heading, and when it might get there.

[dt]

I was interested in CIU 'charter' because rlewkowski stated that currently CMU med student studies are covered under CIU. I dont think that is even the case since CIU had not been given the right to confer Doctor of Medicine degrees.



If CMU proceeds with the process now I expect they may get approval eariler next year. Whether the approval is retroactive will be a concern for current students.

Also, if CMU is not really a school yet, how can their students get student visa?

[rokshana]

excuse me, but is it just me? or is there NO charter on the CMU website??? I mean i see a letter from the education ministry saying that the island of curacao welcomes the formation OF a medical school, but that no where in that letter does it say that they are NOW being recognized AS a institution that has the blessings of the curacao gov't to confer a medical degree!!!?????

seriously- this forum has been at times a source of entertainment- but this is sooooo not right- the current students at cmu are being duped and have spent there time and money on something that is WORTHLESS and any prospective student- those 32 that RL says are coming should know this info!! Personally I think the gov't of curacao should be told about this as well- this is NOT the image that they should want for their country- a harbor for a bogus medical school.

[Phrozen]

excuse me, but is it just me? or is there NO charter on the CMU website??? I mean i see a letter from the education ministry saying that the island of curacao welcomes the formation OF a medical school, but that no where in that letter does it say that they are NOW being recognized AS a institution that has the blessings of the curacao gov't to confer a medical degree!!!?????

seriously- this forum has been at times a source of entertainment- but this is sooooo not right- the current students at cmu are being duped and have spent there time and money on something that is WORTHLESS and any prospective student- those 32 that RL says are coming should know this info!! Personally I think the gov't of curacao should be told about this as well- this is NOT the image that they should want for their country- a harbor for a bogus medical school.

Maybe someone should post this info on the forum on CMU's website. But some students probably don't even check it...

RL is banned from here now.

[diogenes]

Could also post comments on dj$siva's blog. Whether he will publish them is another matter.

[stateofequilibrium]

excuse me, but is it just me? or is there NO charter on the CMU website??? I mean i see a letter from the education ministry saying that the island of curacao welcomes the formation OF a medical school, but that no where in that letter does it say that they are NOW being recognized AS a institution that has the blessings of the curacao gov't to confer a medical degree!!!?????

seriously- this forum has been at times a source of entertainment- but this is sooooo not right- the current students at cmu are being duped and have spent there time and money on something that is WORTHLESS and any prospective student- those 32 that RL says are coming should know this info!! Personally I think the gov't of curacao should be told about this as well- this is NOT the image that they should want for their country- a harbor for a bogus medical school.

Nope, their "charter" is the letter from the government asking that they please follow certain protocols and comply with certain regulations. :D:D

[stateofequilibrium]

Oh wait, there's an update. The charter for CIU! LOL.

[DOCplucinski]

Oh wait, there's an update. The charter for CIU! LOL.
ok, i'm no lawyer, but this really isn't anything. first of all, there is NO charter listed on the website. there is a charter of CIU, as stated listing a bunch of different programs granting CIU to grant "Degree of Doctor". this translates into PhD. i say this because if you read St. Martinus' charter (http://www.martinus.edu/about/charter.htm) also granted on the same island, the charter states granting degrees of "Doctor of Medicine" obviously MD.

the second letter in there is just a letter stating, "oh ok, great that you're staring a medical school." if CMU is really hoping have no problems with their students practicing in US, then this issue needs to be resolved. i really hope potential students are informed about all of these issues before choosing a school like this. besides, there are already schools with NY-approval that are easy enough to get in as it is.

[rokshana]

ok so RL and the cmu admin seems to know WHAT a charter looks like by posting CIU's charter, so then where is the piece of paper that looks like the CIU charter that says CMU and giving the right to grant the the Doctor of MEDICINE degree??

[MDXRS22]

I have a charter in NJ and one in St Kitts. Anyone wanna buy?:)

[stateofequilibrium]

ok so RL and the cmu admin seems to know WHAT a charter looks like by posting CIU's charter, so then where is the piece of paper that looks like the CIU charter that says CMU and giving the right to grant the the Doctor of MEDICINE degree??

Let's just be grateful they're not putting a fake one up.

[byteme]

Five bucks says the CMU website will soon post a copy of the St. Martinus charter - and forget to change the school name :)

[rokshana]

:lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup::lolup:

[teratos]

I have recently declared my house it's own country. My kids are drawing currency and stamps as we speak. For the right price, I can get them to draw you a charter. You can establish your school anywhere you want, just not in my basement, it will interrupt my gaming and guitar playing. G

[stateofequilibrium]

I have recently declared my house it's own country. My kids are drawing currency and stamps as we speak. For the right price, I can get them to draw you a charter. You can establish your school anywhere you want, just not in my basement, it will interrupt my gaming and guitar playing. G

Hey, at least we know any medical school that opens up at your place will have it's own arcade/PC cafe and live music.

[ind3r]

Decided to ask the main source so that Mr. L will have no excuse as to claim that people are "bashing" the school...
Here a response from a rep from ECFMG:

August 14, 2007

Dear Doctor,

Please be advised ECFMG® has not received any information from the government of Curacao nor any request for the medical school to be listed in ECFMG’s International Medical Education Directory.

Sincerely,
info@ecfmg.org (info@ecfmg.org)
JAY
---------------------


Ok let's drop this now...

[MYMD]

Two things are clear, first the letter from Aug 13th 2007 clearly says the Gov does accept CMU to have a school there but that there are "Permits" they need "Before" they start. So Does the school have the permits now?

Second: The President of CMU claims to have an alliance/to be a part of CIU so that they "Share the charter" ( I know this is a shaky thing) But it is not if CIU and CMU are now the same school right? ( I have no idea if this is true or not)

Also, to Ban the school President from Posting does not do us nor anyone any good, I think the Pres should be allowed to post to answer questions.

[DrShikima]

I believe he was banned for multiple accounts which he would log in to make agreeing statements to himself.

[byteme]

There wasn't some conspiracy to ban him. As the mods have posted many times, the rules apply to everybody equally. It wasn't as if he didn't know he was violating the TOS. He took the risk, got caught, and has only himself to blame for getting banned. Besides the questions he never actually answered, the ones he completely ignored, and the ones he answered with bullpoop, how many of his answers were actually useful?

I completely agree with you that it would be helpful if somebody from CMU administration was available to answer questions. My vote is for the fellow who penned this charming letter to superhumper:

Look what reply I got from internationally acclaimed medical educator, clinician and administrator. I just wanted to know more about his PhD. Jesus...

Quote:
Hi Dear Ridiculous Bhat (Trash Can???) superfraud.
Hony. PhD is a honor only. We need not to pay any money for it.
Why are you making a big deal with it and putting yourself in deep trouble. I wonder!!! What will you get stabbing a medical experts. When your child will be sick you will take her to a specialist—right?? and you will see your e-mail copy on the specialists table. Your wife will reply you best for your misdeed though.
It is amazing that a non-medical fraud is talking about quality of medical profession and MD doctors.
Fresh MBBS candidates (without one day teaching experience) are teaching better than you in any subject in your school. They are holding Dean’s post in Bonaire. You are cleaning anatomy hall floor everyday and taking too much alcohol . What a life!!!!Your blood cholesterol is increasing very fast. Your elder brother suffered. Now your turn is coming.
Dr. Ma... is coming back to Bonaire to teach you proper lessons. He will tell everyone about your past history India.
So, you must leave cleaning anatomy hall in Bonaire and go to produce PhD students, if you have the courage. Now you continue your hidden agenda but very soon you will face serious consequences and your US visa will be into troubled water once again. Just wait and see----.
I registered for my MRC(Path)in UK. I do not have time to reply you anymore.
Sincerely,
Dr.J.P.MD (http://dr.j.pramanik.md/)

Executive Dean / CAO
Caribbean Medical University

[teratos]

Two things are clear, first the letter from Aug 13th 2007 clearly says the Gov does accept CMU to have a school there but that there are "Permits" they need "Before" they start. So Does the school have the permits now?

Second: The President of CMU claims to have an alliance/to be a part of CIU so that they "Share the charter" ( I know this is a shaky thing) But it is not if CIU and CMU are now the same school right? ( I have no idea if this is true or not)

Also, to Ban the school President from Posting does not do us nor anyone any good, I think the Pres should be allowed to post to answer questions.

The users account has been re-instated after a careful review.

[diogenes]

As someone stated already, the rules here apply to everyone. This was not a decision taken lightly, but using multiple accounts to further your agenda is against the rules. The position of the forum has always been that people using multiple accounts be banned. Don't you find it a little unethical that a school official opens multiple accounts to pose as a student so he can agree with himself?.............................
The multiple accounts are just another example of the fundamental stupidity of CMU: they seem to think that their lies, half-truths and crazy exaggerations will never be found out; that they live a charmed existence beyond us lesser mortals; sociopathic thought at its finest.
Ironically they may have done themselves a favour by getting banned. The person in question was no master of spin and just seemed to dig a deeper hole for himself and his school. Without his, or similar, input we shall all run out of new things to say about the school!

[DrShikima]

What I find interesting is that his English language skills aren't very good. I wonder what his TOEFL score is. The syntax and low usage of prepositions leads me to wonder what else is afoot.

[diogenes]

I agree, his English has jarred on many occasions. I understand his mother tongue may be Polish.

[teratos]

We shouldn't harp on people's language skills. Many people with English as a first language don't do so well. G

[finishingfifth]

English is my third language (it was the hardest to learn, but I was lucky enough to learn it by immersion) I think people should be evaluated on their ability to speak english if they are potential physicians (so they can communicate with their patients). But the president of a med school with a dubious reputation isnt held to quite the same standard.

[diogenes]

Whatever someone's job may be, it's legitimate to comment on how their language skills affect carrying out their duties - not just physicians.
There was no "harping" - two short posts hedged with qualifications, that's all. Ridiculing someone for their poor linguistic skills is nasty: it didn't occur here.
For some time I had quite charitably wondered to what extent this occasionally jarring English might account for mutual misunderstandings. Personally, I don't think it explains or excuses very much at all. Particularly having watched him on that tv clip I'm convinced that for the most part he has been fully aware of essential meanings in the vmd dialogue: the problem is one of veracity not verbs.
But perhaps, just as with the recently deceased, we should not speak ill of the banned.

[teratos]

English is my third language (it was the hardest to learn, but I was lucky enough to learn it by immersion) I think people should be evaluated on their ability to speak english if they are potential physicians (so they can communicate with their patients). But the president of a med school with a dubious reputation isnt held to quite the same standard.

He is the president of the school?


My english isn't always the best. I sometimes type things in a hurry, and don't proofread. I just try to give people the benefit of the doubt on the fora. G

[dt]

He is the president of the school?


He is the Chairman of Caribbean Medical University Foundation.

He is the President in letters 1 and 2 on the charter link.


http://www.curacao-chamber.an/c-reg/content/Excerpt.asp?mode=edit&companyid=6985&establishmentnr=-1&legalformid=81

CMU | Caribbean Medical University - Accreditations - School Charter (http://www.cmumed.org/about/charter.htm)

[DOCplucinski]

I agree, his English has jarred on many occasions. I understand his mother tongue may be Polish.
I'm Polska as well, but I don't think that has anything to do with anything.

[diogenes]

You're quite correct, you being "Polska as well" hasn't "anything to do with anything".
Least of all has it anything to do with this thread which is about CMU, its recently banned administrator and his handling of the discussions here.

[MYMD]

As someone stated already, the rules here apply to everyone. This was not a decision taken lightly, but using multiple accounts to further your agenda is against the rules. The position of the forum has always been that people using multiple accounts be banned. Don't you find it a little unethical that a school official opens multiple accounts to pose as a student so he can agree with himself? Think about it, and let me know what you think should be done. (no sarcasm intended)

P.S. I am not divulging any information that isn't public knowledge. If you look at his account you will see the "Location" is "Multiple accounts" It has been moderator policy not to discuss moderation issues on the open fora. G


I do not disagree about the rules at all, I was just stating that it is not productive and also turns this into a one sided conversation. I would Hope that the ADMIN here would have a conversation with the School Officials and see if this could be resolved so we can continue to post to them. They should be able to clarify things no matter if it is truth, fantasy or a lie.

I am not defending but also would like to read both sides, at the moment there is only one posted that I see.

[DrShikima]

I do not disagree about the rules at all, I was just stating that it is not productive and also turns this into a one sided conversation. I would Hope that the ADMIN here would have a conversation with the School Officials and see if this could be resolved so we can continue to post to them. They should be able to clarify things no matter if it is truth, fantasy or a lie.

I am not defending but also would like to read both sides, at the moment there is only one posted that I see.

There is something to this gentleman's merit. I guess they could make a new account and follow the TOS. Admins?

[finishingfifth]

maybe they could find another CMU official to respond to VMD questions/concerns.

[diogenes]

I do not disagree about the rules at all, I was just stating that it is not productive and also turns this into a one sided conversation. I would Hope that the ADMIN here would have a conversation with the School Officials and see if this could be resolved so we can continue to post to them. They should be able to clarify things no matter if it is truth, fantasy or a lie.

I am not defending but also would like to read both sides, at the moment there is only one posted that I see.
I think it would be a highly regretable move if that were to happen.
You agree with the rules. So how would you bring back the offending person while being even-handed towards everyone else, including many other individuals already banned? Any ideas as to how it could be resolved equitably? I'm sure that many members here regard multiple accounts as a serious breach of trust. If students from CMU want to give us their version of things they're welcome (and there's always DJ$iva :)). It isn't necessary to have a school official here and many schools on VMD do very well without.
I'm afraid I don't share you view of how things have gone so far in the presence of the CMU official. It seems to me that it's actually been pretty much "a one sided conversation" anyway. Most of the posts have been making the same few points over and over again. Responses from the official have not been "able to clarify" anything, they just obfuscate and give everyone an excuse to lambast the school with more redundant posts. Doesn't it remind you a little of the St. Christopher's forum a while back?

The only difference the admin.'s absence right now will make is that there will be fewer posts on the CMU forum: any baying hounds will have to find some other prey.
There will be plenty of opportunity to evaluate the school's progress and maybe one day praise it for achieving something -doesn't seem likely, I know. It doesn't need a u-turn on a well-regarded and tested multiple accounts policy to do this.

[diogenes]

maybe they could find another CMU official to respond to VMD questions/concerns.
I did wonder about that. I just can't see how it could work without undermining the policy. In my view the school should take collective responsibility for their misdeeds - yes, I know the idea of CMU with its track record so far, taking responsibility for anything seems a bit far-fetched! But I would think that in the very long-term what you suggest could happen (I'm talking at least a year here).

[MDXRS22]

They look like forged documents. I am confused with the dates, 2007, 2001, which one is the right one???

[diogenes]

:) MDXRS22 do you need to get on to the Congratulations thread with that one?

[DOCplucinski]

I did wonder about that. I just can't see how it could work without undermining the policy. In my view the school should take collective responsibility for their misdeeds - yes, I know the idea of CMU with its track record so far, taking responsibility for anything seems a bit far-fetched! But I would think that in the very long-term what you suggest could happen (I'm talking at least a year here).
that's true...given that RL or someone else from CMU comes back on VMD to post and answer questions, i think it would be very hard to take him/her seriously.

[2Good2BMD]

I'm Polska as well, but I don't think that has anything to do with anything.

I guess you mean, you are 'Polak' - not 'Polska'.
And yes, being a Pole has nothing to do with it...

Btw. where is your polish avatar?

[byteme]

Isn't the term "Polak" derogatory? :confused:

That's what I was taught, anyway. Guess you learn something new every day.

[DOCplucinski]

forgot "from"

sometimes, i don't take offense to it.

[Scott1981]

please stay on topic. we are counting down to Friday, August 10th, 2007.
:lol:

+144 hours and counting

[iaustudent06]

This site and "International Medical School of America" are the funniest to follow...
http://www.valuemd.com/main-foreign-medical-schools-forum/119942-international-medical-school-america.html:catfight::crackingup:

[stateofequilibrium]

please stay on topic. we are counting down to Friday, August 10th, 2007.
:lol:

+144 hours and counting

First, they promised IMED. Then they called us a pack of liars and they never promised IMED but declared that their Charter was finally signed, months after they began operations. After finally saying they'll put the charter up for everyone to see, they put up a letter of intent for an UNDERGRADUATE curriculum, a letter telling them they need to follow procedures, and CIU's charter that has no license to issue the doctor of medicine. SWEET!

[2Good2BMD]

Isn't the term "Polak" derogatory? :confused:

That's what I was taught, anyway. Guess you learn something new every day.

No, 'Polak' means Pole in polish.
'Polack' became derogatory in american english.

[Phrozen]

No, 'Polak' means Pole in polish.
'Polack' became derogatory in american english.

http://gallery.allinthefamilysit.com/albums/userpics/10001/carroll%20as%20archie%20bunker.jpg

lol when ever i hear that word polack i think of archie bunker

[studentdoctobe]

Some VERY VERY interesting developments with school officials, :p

[rokshana]

Some VERY VERY interesting developments with school officials, :p

huh? want to elaborate??

[stateofequilibrium]

August 20th, and still no charter on their website

[byteme]

And, surprisingly, silence from dj$iva. Hmm...voluntary, or "volun-told"?

[diogenes]

Some VERY VERY interesting developments with school officials, :p
Are you referring to the apparent restoration of rlewkowski as a VMD member?

[dt]

Are you referring to the apparent restoration of rlewkowski as a VMD member?


I noticed that rlewkowski is no longer banned. Welcome back.


Interesting that this policy(??) of permanent ban for multiple accounts is flexible? Or, was MDbonaire07 and rlewkowski 2 separate persons? If so, then MDbonaire07 should be unbanned too (since the account is currently still banned).

[emt036]

http://www.valuemd.com/members/rlewkowski.html

Apparently no longer permanently banned, and apparently the rules don't apply to everyone equally...

[diogenes]

........ apparently the rules don't apply to everyone equally...
We (or I;)) don't know that yet. I sincerely hope that's not the case for the reasons I stated earlier. Although I did notice that neilc (the famous scourge of St. Christopher's) has only been temporarily banned for splitting his VMD personality.
I do hope it's as dt suggested - he was the victim of a miscarriage of justice.

[MDXRS22]

I understand your point!

[rokshana]

so does a MOD want to elaborate- seems to me that if rl was banned for multiple accounts that just because he is a school offical the rules don't apply to him and that's not fair. Ad if he is not permanently banned then this rule needs to be taken out of the TOS (of course then chaos will reign...)

[IMG SURVIVOR]

I understand your point!
:confused:from who and what point?

[Doc]

The CMU School Official account was originally banned because it was suspected for using multiple accounts. Since our investigation was inconclusive, the Mods decided to reinstate the account without penalty.

Hope this helps.

p.s. Neilc's ban was recently changed from temporary to permanent once someone pointed out the error to us.

[diogenes]

Thanks for clarifying both those points.

[rlewkowski]

so does a MOD want to elaborate- seems to me that if rl was banned for multiple accounts that just because he is a school offical the rules don't apply to him and that's not fair. Ad if he is not permanently banned then this rule needs to be taken out of the TOS (of course then chaos will reign...)

I've never used multiple accounts, there was a suspicion and was finally clarified. I have been a member of VMD for over 4 years as school official and always tried to comply with the TOS as well as advised our students to do the same.
Thank you Doc for clarifying the situation.

[MDXRS22]

:confused:from who and what point?
IMG, don't you dare mess my fun please amigo:)

[superhumper]

The CMU School Official account was originally banned because it was suspected for using multiple accounts. Since our investigation was inconclusive, the Mods decided to reinstate the account without penalty.

Hi,

Usually there is no fire without smoke.... or "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." ?????

SH

[stephew]

no it doesnt.

s Ad if he is not permanently banned then this rule needs to be taken out of the TOS (of course then chaos will reign...)

[stephew]

might we remind all those who have chosen to complain about special treatment etc, that countless regular users- including some of you who have complained here- have been given the benefit of the doubt in the past for their own infractions/banning, etc. Frankly you should be thanking doc and the admin for keeping this forum informative and functional for thousands of anonymous users. Try looking at a few other forums if you want to see what a challange this is. Perhaps youre just paying a little more attention in this case because its a school official?


http://www.valuemd.com/members/rlewkowski.html

Apparently no longer permanently banned, and apparently the rules don't apply to everyone equally...

[Phrozen]

might we remind all those who have chosen to complain about special treatment etc, that countless regular users- including some of you who have complained here- have been given the benefit of the doubt in the past for their own infractions/banning, etc. Frankly you should be thanking doc and the admin for keeping this forum informative and functional for thousands of anonymous users. Try looking at a few other forums if you want to see what a challange this is. Perhaps youre just paying a little more attention in this case because its a school official?

I agree. Thanks mods and admins! :yeah::rock:

[byteme]

Oh, goody.

For a while there I was afraid Diogenes was right and this forum would get boring.

Whew!

[emt036]

might we remind all those who have chosen to complain about special treatment etc, that countless regular users- including some of you who have complained here- have been given the benefit of the doubt in the past for their own infractions/banning, etc. Frankly you should be thanking doc and the admin for keeping this forum informative and functional for thousands of anonymous users. Try looking at a few other forums if you want to see what a challange this is. Perhaps youre just paying a little more attention in this case because its a school official?

I don't think extra attention is being paid solely because it is a school official, but instead because a member who was permanently banned for having multiple accounts was re-instated. I can not recall a previous instance of this happening in VMD history. I believe that long-time contributors also have some interest in seeing that the fora don't degrade into a cesspool of trolls, so in the face of unprecedented, unexplained action, some questions naturally arose. Upon re-reading my previous comments, I see how they could be taken as accusatory, but that was not my intent. My apologies, no harm meant.

In any case, I do thank Doc and the mods for their unpaid efforts at keeping the forum members in line to ensure that VMD stays as useful and informative as it is.

[studentdoctobe]

The CMU School Official account was originally banned because it was suspected for using multiple accounts. Since our investigation was inconclusive, the Mods decided to reinstate the account without penalty.

Hope this helps.

p.s. Neilc's ban was recently changed from temporary to permanent once someone pointed out the error to us.

:crackingup:

This looks BAD and is actually a POOR reflection!

[studentdoctobe]

might we remind all those who have chosen to complain about special treatment etc, that countless regular users- including some of you who have complained here- have been given the benefit of the doubt in the past for their own infractions/banning, etc. Frankly you should be thanking doc and the admin for keeping this forum informative and functional for thousands of anonymous users. Try looking at a few other forums if you want to see what a challange this is.
Perhaps youre just paying a little more attention in this case because its a school official?
I missed the point of the highlighted section.

And if you have NEVER complained and NEVER given the benefit of the doubt in the past, how does that affect your point.

[Phrozen]

stop whining about it. it doesn't affect you if he was reinstated...

it's up to the mods and admins. if you don't like it, find another forum... :)

[rlewkowski]

stop whining about it. it doesn't affect you if he was reinstated...

it's up to the mods and admins. if you don't like it, find another forum... :)

I totally agree. The moderators act as the final judges to evaluate violations of the TOS

[studentdoctobe]

I totally agree. The moderators act as the final judges to evaluate violations of the TOS


:crackingup:

[stephew]

a guy with 6 infractions finds that mock worthy? shock! horror! probe!

[stephew]

Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 113
Infractions: 0/6 (6)




:crackingup:

This looks BAD and is actually a POOR reflection!
i dunno. it the reivew process worked well at least 6 times that i know of.

[stephew]

a better endorsement is hard to come by. I totally agree. The moderators act as the final judges to evaluate violations of the TOS

[stephew]

what?
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I missed the point of the highlighted section.

And if you have NEVER complained and NEVER given the benefit of the doubt in the past, how does that affect your point.

[finishingfifth]

Even though I disagree with about 99% of what the banned person said, if there is no solid proof that he was in violation of TOS then he should be allowed on the forum. Lest we let VMD become like Guantanamo Bay, where we punish people with no proof.

[stephew]

Even though I disagree with about 99% of what the banned person said, if there is no solid proof that he was in violation of TOS then he should be allowed on the forum. Lest we let VMD become like Guantanamo Bay, where we punish people with no proof.
yes the stakes are that high.

[finishingfifth]

yes the stakes are that high.
wow, try to stick up for the mods and got sarcasm. awesome:rolleyes:

[rokshana]

Perhaps youre just paying a little more attention in this case because its a school official?


maybe...but stil, ya'll took the unprecedented action to permanently ban a school offical AND remove all CMU advertisements from vmd. It was pointed out by SOE i believe in another thread that the location on rl's profile pointed to the reason why he was banned - multiple accounts- i would have, and i imagine most of the regular posters here as well, thought this was because vmd HAD proof that rl had multiple accounts (and note to rl, in my previous post i did say IF you were banned for multiple posts not that I was saying you were).

I know other times when there were investigations on someone they were temporarily banned, basically pending the outcome of the investigation, so if there were any questions they could be addressed, then a decesion made.

If rl didn't have multiple accounts, then of course the TOS doesn't need to be changed, but if he did and this rule is bent for him, because he IS a school offical, - then it really shouldn't be there- it would be unfair to have one set of rules for some posters and another for others, just based on their status here.

[stateofequilibrium]

maybe...but stil, ya'll took the unprecedented action to permanently ban a school offical AND remove all CMU advertisements from vmd. It was pointed out by SOE i believe in another thread that the location on rl's profile pointed to the reason why he was banned - multiple accounts- i would have, and i imagine most of the regular posters here as well, thought this was because vmd HAD proof that rl had multiple accounts (and note to rl, in my previous post i did say IF you were banned for multiple posts not that I was saying you were).

I know other times when there were investigations on someone they were temporarily banned, basically pending the outcome of the investigation, so if there were any questions they could be addressed, then a decesion made.

If rl didn't have multiple accounts, then of course the TOS doesn't need to be changed, but if he did and this rule is bent for him, because he IS a school offical, - then it really shouldn't be there- it would be unfair to have one set of rules for some posters and another for others, just based on their status here.

The decision to unban a person, in this case Rl, is made in the face of presented "Evidence" or doubt raised against our own data. In an effort to be fair and equitable, a position as Steph has pointed out has benefited many users here, if there is credible evidence to suggest otherwise and based off of other factors, leniency may be given. Though on a shorter leash and much more watchful eye.

[finishingfifth]

If the glove doesn't fit.....

[Doc]

maybe...but stil, ya'll took the unprecedented action to permanently ban a school offical AND remove all CMU advertisements from vmd.

These were two separate actions which were decided independently of each other and should not be linked as Moderation and Advertising issues are handled by separate entities and NEVER mixed as that would be a conflict of interest. The fact that they occurred within the same week or so is merely a coincidence.

With regards to the CMU Banners, the campaign has been suspended pending CMU's listing with IMED, the minimum requirement. The VMD Advertising Team made this decision when the IMED recognition was not made available within the alloted time given to CMU to provide such documentation. Once they are proven to be recognized by IMED, the suspension will be lifted and the banners will be able to appear again as before.


It was pointed out by SOE i believe in another thread that the location on rl's profile pointed to the reason why he was banned - multiple accounts- i would have, and i imagine most of the regular posters here as well, thought this was because vmd HAD proof that rl had multiple accounts (and note to rl, in my previous post i did say IF you were banned for multiple posts not that I was saying you were).

I know other times when there were investigations on someone they were temporarily banned, basically pending the outcome of the investigation, so if there were any questions they could be addressed, then a decesion made.

If rl didn't have multiple accounts, then of course the TOS doesn't need to be changed, but if he did and this rule is bent for him, because he IS a school offical, - then it really shouldn't be there- it would be unfair to have one set of rules for some posters and another for others, just based on their status here.

All users, whether Officials, Mods, registered users, etc, are treated the same. In the case of multiple accounts, our system plays a big part in this as it often catches them on its own based on certain criteria. Once a certain threshold of criteria are met, the system will automatically ban the multiple accounts and indicate this in the "location" of the user's profile.

Although considered very accurate, there is still room for error. In those cases, we manually verify the findings. If we don't find indisputable proof to verify the findings (very rarely will we not find enough evidence), we will give the user the benefit of the doubt and reverse the ban under a more watchful eye (which happened in this particular case).

Since the accounts were banned automatically in this case (and with most multiple account cases), the Moderator investigation was done AFTER the ban instead of before. That is the reason why the account was listed as such during the investigation, and I suspect that most would not have even noticed had it not been a School Official or other popular poster.

But the fact is that we decided that the School Officials would be treated as any other users, hence the ban for suspected multiple accounts AND the reversal when there wasn't enough evidence to support the suspicion after our investigation.

I hope this helps clear things up a bit.

[IMG SURVIVOR]

If the glove doesn't fit.....

What:confused: I do not understand can you be more specific.

[finishingfifth]

It was a bad joke. I likened the OJ simpson trial (reasonable doubt) to the ban on RL.

[rokshana]

These were two separate actions which were decided independently of each other and should not be linked as Moderation and Advertising issues are handled by separate entities and NEVER mixed as that would be a conflict of interest. The fact that they occurred within the same week or so is merely a coincidence.

With regards to the CMU Banners, the campaign has been suspended pending CMU's listing with IMED, the minimum requirement. The VMD Advertising Team made this decision when the IMED recognition was not made available within the alloted time given to CMU to provide such documentation. Once they are proven to be recognized by IMED, the suspension will be lifted and the banners will be able to appear again as before.

All users, whether Officials, Mods, registered users, etc, are treated the same. In the case of multiple accounts, our system plays a big part in this as it often catches them on its own based on certain criteria. Once a certain threshold of criteria are met, the system will automatically ban the multiple accounts and indicate this in the "location" of the user's profile.

Although considered very accurate, there is still room for error. In those cases, we manually verify the findings. If we don't find indisputable proof to verify the findings (very rarely will we not find enough evidence), we will give the user the benefit of the doubt and reverse the ban under a more watchful eye (which happened in this particular case).

Since the accounts were banned automatically in this case (and with most multiple account cases), the Moderator investigation was done AFTER the ban instead of before. That is the reason why the account was listed as such during the investigation, and I suspect that most would not have even noticed had it not been a School Official or other popular poster.

But the fact is that we decided that the School Officials would be treated as any other users, hence the ban for suspected multiple accounts AND the reversal when there wasn't enough evidence to support the suspicion after our investigation.

I hope this helps clear things up a bit.


thank you Doc- that does clear things up

[dt]

For archival purposes, l am going to summarize a little bit...


August 10th was claimed by rlewkowski to be when CMU would be listed on IMED.

As of 23 August 2007, CMU is still not listed.

This lack of listing is expected since August 10th was when the Curacao government invited rlewkowski to apply. [1] Now whether this application would be approved remains unknown since "local politicians and doctors" [2] may have caught on to rlewkowski's tendency to misrepresent and may not be comfortable working with him or may work around him.

CMU, specifically the president/chairman rlewkowski, claims that current medical students studies are covered by CIU's charter. However this is hard to believe in light of his contradictory claim of monopoly [3], and the letters he provided. [1]


So, as of today, the countdown is +13 days.




1. http://www.valuemd.com/caribbean-medical-university-cmu/140743-countdown-friday-august-10th-2007-a-2.html#post652988 (http://www.valuemd.com/caribbean-medical-university-cmu/140743-countdown-friday-august-10th-2007-a-2.html#post652988)
2. http://www.valuemd.com/caribbean-medical-university-cmu/141061-future-cmu-2.html#post657772 (http://www.valuemd.com/caribbean-medical-university-cmu/141061-future-cmu-2.html#post657772)
3. http://www.valuemd.com/caribbean-medical-university-cmu/141731-time-will-show-who-right.html#post658647 (http://www.valuemd.com/caribbean-medical-university-cmu/141731-time-will-show-who-right.html#post658647)

[DrShikima]

And, surprisingly, silence from dj$iva. Hmm...voluntary, or "volun-told"?

I think he has been silent because he's trying to launch his career in Bollywood.

YouTube - Caribbean Medical University CMU Mafia...Episode One! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb4V_kTZcVU)

[MYMD]

I think he has been silent because he's trying to launch his career in Bollywood.

YouTube - Caribbean Medical University CMU Mafia...Episode One! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb4V_kTZcVU)

He hasn't posted on the Blog anymore either, maybe told not to?

Maybe transferring again?

[rlewkowski]

I think he has been silent because he's trying to launch his career in Bollywood.

YouTube - Caribbean Medical University CMU Mafia...Episode One! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb4V_kTZcVU)

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, insulting, threatening, flaming, trolling, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws.

Stop insulting our students!!!

[finishingfifth]

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, insulting, threatening, flaming, trolling, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws.

Stop insulting our students!!!

Stop lying to your students and the people on this forum and we will all ignore CMU.

[rokshana]

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, insulting, threatening, flaming, trolling, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws.

Stop insulting our students!!!


excuse me, but how is a career in bollywood insulting? you think there is something wrong with being a part of the indian acting industry?

i think DJ $iva would have far more success in the in the film industry- he obviously has a passion for it...


somehow i would think continously posting false and intentionally misleading info would be more of a TOS than constructive career advice!

and BTW mymd- he did post on his blog today- evidently the CMU admin has "promised" them some big developments to happen by the end of the month....

[rlewkowski]

excuse me, but how is a career in bollywood insulting? you think there is something wrong with being a part of the indian acting industry?

i think DJ $iva would have far more success in the in the film industry- he obviously has a passion for it...


somehow i would think continously posting false and intentionally misleading info would be more of a TOS than constructive career advice!

and BTW mymd- he did post on his blog today- evidently the CMU admin has "promised" them some big developments to happen by the end of the month....

So I think you could make a great career in PR /especially black/

[finishingfifth]

So I think you could make a great career in PR /especially black/

Well, she already has a successful career, as a medical student in a widely respected medical school.

Second, PR is public relations. What is black PR? Is that public relations for african americans? I dont understand.

Why not just admit defeat, CMU is discgrace as it is. Perhaps a change in administration could resolve the endless issues CMU has ignored.

[emt036]

somehow i would think continously posting false and intentionally misleading info would be more of a TOS than constructive career advice!

Yes, this is kind of odd... I think we should petition Doc to add "posting patently false information" as a infraction-worthy violation of the TOS. I'll suggest it in the Suggestion Box.

[DOCplucinski]

Well, she already has a successful career, as a medical student in a widely respected medical school.

Second, PR is public relations. What is black PR? Is that public relations for african americans? I dont understand.

Why not just admit defeat, CMU is discgrace as it is. Perhaps a change in administration could resolve the endless issues CMU has ignored.
black PR is kind of like the opposite of PR...pretty much lying or making up whatever is needed to get your point aside. i don't think it has anything to do with african americans, but i could be wrong.

[rokshana]

Well, she already has a successful career, as a medical student in a widely respected medical school.

Second, PR is public relations. What is black PR? Is that public relations for african americans? I dont understand.

Why not just admit defeat, CMU is discgrace as it is. Perhaps a change in administration could resolve the endless issues CMU has ignored.

kinda hard when it seems that they only have one administrator.

[finishingfifth]

kinda hard when it seems that they only have one administrator.

Oh, but what an administrator he is......

[rlewkowski]

Well, she already has a successful career, as a medical student in a widely respected medical school.

Second, PR is public relations. What is black PR? Is that public relations for african americans? I dont understand.

Why not just admit defeat, CMU is discgrace as it is. Perhaps a change in administration could resolve the endless issues CMU has ignored.

Black PR is information spread about another, (or a group) that are lies to try to make others think less of someone.

[rokshana]

black PR is kind of like the opposite of PR...pretty much lying or making up whatever is needed to get your point aside. i don't think it has anything to do with african americans, but i could be wrong.

i guess RL would know since he does seem to be good at that at least...can't imagine that that is exactly what CMU needs though....

i think if i was to pick an alternate career i think it would be more like investigative reporter....pointing out the blatant falsehoods of those who would take advantage of poor desparate souls in search of a medical career....

[rokshana]

Black PR is information spread about another, (or a group) that are lies to try to make others think less of someone.


oh SEE I wouldn't be good at that, i'm a little OCD about getting TRUTHFUL information out and making sure that others aren't spreading blatant falsehoods to make others think more of someone

[finishingfifth]

Black PR is information spread about another, (or a group) that are lies to try to make others think less of someone.

Dont worry then, no matter what anyone says, very few of us could think less of CMU and its deceptive administration

[byteme]

Black PR is information spread about another, (or a group) that are lies to try to make others think less of someone.

Why would anyone bother making a career of Black PR against CMU when you appear to be doing such a magnificent job of that yourself?

[rlewkowski]

Why would anyone bother making a career of Black PR against CMU when you appear to be doing such a magnificent job of that yourself?

Read the definition!!!

[dt]

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, insulting, threatening, flaming, trolling, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws.

Stop insulting our students!!!


LOL. You have such an interesting sense of humor!

It seems your remaining students have a very high level of tolerance for 'insult' as shown by staying with you.

[dt]

and BTW mymd- he did post on his blog today- evidently the CMU admin has "promised" them some big developments to happen by the end of the month....


Ah, typical tactic of a scam... hook them, then string them along as far as possible. how long has this been going on? 4 months?

[MYMD]

and BTW mymd- he did post on his blog today- evidently the CMU admin has "promised" them some big developments to happen by the end of the month....

Oh I looked earlier and did not see the post must have been after I peaked! Cool then.

You Know, He's world Famous...................................

[diogenes]

He hasn't posted on the Blog anymore either, maybe told not to?

Maybe transferring again?
He has posted again (today?). Shorter and a little more subdued than of late. He is now pushing the current party line that "biggie newz" (ugh! I can't believe I reproduced that) is coming at the end of the month. I await the next soothsaying from the CMU astrologers with baited breath. Holla!

[diogenes]

The original and much more common phrase is black propaganda: a more forceful and meaningful one in my opinion. That it is possible for PR to be described as 'black' demonstrates how debased and devalued the term PR has become.

[byteme]

Read the definition!!!

Black PR is information spread about another, (or a group) that are lies to try to make others think less of someone.

Well, I humbly apologize...you are TOTALLY CORRECT that I did not read the definition properly.

You're not trying to make CMU look bad at all - this is just a highly entertaining byproduct of your contributions.

[diogenes]

.......PR is public relations. What is black PR? Is that public relations for african americans? I dont understand.....................
I'm very relieved to have found out that some at least define black PR in the way suggested above - BlackPRWire.com - Press Releases Distribution - Electronic Distribution - Blast Fax - Black PR - Miami - Reporters - Writers - Black-Owned Publications (http://www.blackprwire.com/)

[finishingfifth]

notice he answered the black PR question, but he didnt answer the question about CMU still have IMED/ECFMG on their website. They changed part of the website, but not all of it. Also, there is no possible way they have NJ and Penn rotations, yet they claim them. Lies, lies, and more lies. Go ahead, RL, make some unrelated comment, keep dodging the issue until you can change the CMU website...AGAIN!

[dt]

Never answered my questions either!

[stephew]

we aren't taking applications for moderator at the current time. You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, insulting, threatening, flaming, trolling, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws.

Stop insulting our students!!!

[rlewkowski]

we aren't taking applications for moderator at the current time.

I think you should, since it looks like mods dont enforce the TOS

[finishingfifth]

I think you should, since it looks like mods dont enforce the TOS

You must be the hardest guy to hit on the dodgeball court.

[IMG SURVIVOR]

I think you should, since it looks like mods dont enforce the TOS

I have the tendency to always be nice, but that is one comment that is totally and completely out of hand.
If we did not enforce the TOS why do you think a SCHOOL OFFICIAL has an infraction?
It's like sending to detention the parents:shock:
Very respectfully You are the school official and you need to set the standards.
You guys have all different type of issues going on, and that is only on the surface, who knows what is in pandora box.

[rlewkowski]

I have the tendency to always be nice, but that is one comment that is totally and completely out of hand.
If we did not enforce the TOS why do you think a SCHOOL OFFICIAL has an infraction?
It's like sending to detention the parents:shock:
Very respectfully You are the school official and you need to set the standards.
You guys have all different type of issues going on, and that is only on the surface, who knows what is in pandora box.

If you did enforce the TOS properly, it wouldn’t be only me with the infraction. Posting private messages, using vulgar, insulting language /scam, liar, etc. /, accusations of me posting as other users, insulting our students should not be permitted.

[finishingfifth]

If you did enforce the TOS properly, it wouldn’t be only me with the infraction. Posting private messages, using vulgar, insulting language /scam, liar, etc. /, accusations of me posting as other users, insulting our students should not be permitted.

If posting the PM was against the rules, i apologize, it has been a while since I read the TOS thouroghly. If I am given an infraction, I will accept it. However, I think that Mods decide infractions, not members.

[IMG SURVIVOR]

If you did enforce the TOS properly, it wouldn’t be only me with the infraction. Posting private messages, using vulgar, insulting language /scam, liar, etc. /, accusations of me posting as other users, insulting our students should not be permitted.

In the right corner there is a bottom of a triangle with a ! inside.
Just press that bottom and you will be able to report the case.
You see not so hard I think.
If you are confuse I can try to explain it again or try to draw the little bottom on the right.

[IMG SURVIVOR]

However, I think that Mods decide infractions, not members.

I will say this publicly about the moderation in this website:
In my humble opinion is the fairest system can be.

[emt036]

While the general consensus is that PM's should remain private, I fail to see anything in the TOS specifically prohibiting it (unless it falls under the personal information clause - but I believe this is more name, phone, email, etc.)

[dt]

If you did enforce the TOS properly, it wouldn’t be only me with the infraction. Posting private messages, using vulgar, insulting language /scam, liar, etc. /, accusations of me posting as other users, insulting our students should not be permitted.


I think that after having several months to correct your website and your marketing pitch, and when you didnt, it becomes fair ground to call it as it is. And in doing so, I dont think that violates any TOS.

[dt]

In the right corner there is a bottom of a triangle with a ! inside.
Just press that bottom and you will be able to report the case.
You see not so hard I think.
If you are confuse I can try to explain it again or try to draw the little bottom on the right.


I wouldnt mind seeing your drawing. Maybe you could include a few step-by-step instructions.





:)

[IMG SURVIVOR]

I think that after having several months to correct your website and your marketing pitch, and when you didnt

They have not :omg::mouthdro:

[emt036]

They have not :omg::mouthdro:

Despite claiming to have done so. You know, with 3.800+ views, this might become the next Who? thread. :D

[finishingfifth]

Despite claiming to have done so. You know, with 3.800+ views, this might become the next Who? thread. :D

I am waiting for "I know you are, but what am I" as a response.

[rlewkowski]

In the right corner there is a bottom of a triangle with a ! inside.
Just press that bottom and you will be able to report the case.
You see not so hard I think.
If you are confuse I can try to explain it again or try to draw the little bottom on the right.

I have reported those posts numerous times, no action taken. As promised I will follow the TOS but others should do the same.

[rokshana]

If you did enforce the TOS properly, it wouldn’t be only me with the infraction. Posting private messages, using vulgar, insulting language /scam, liar, etc. /, accusations of me posting as other users, insulting our students should not be permitted.

you know maybe they don't- maybe they do give a little leeway ( i mean you are back after you were permanently banned), but you know the mods are very good about not letting their personal feelings dictate how they moderate- they stick to the leanest interpretation of the TOS and when flagarently disobeyed - they infract.

and as far as i have seen very few vulgarities have been thrown here (they would have been converted to words like poopy and babied-and yes i actually typed those words in!), but as far as being a liar - well that has been proven in many ways- from your plagarized (yes that IS lying) website, full of blatant falsehoods and premature claims to your endless unfufilled promises of charter, IMED, WHO listings. And a school that promises the golden ring of an MD degree that allows you to practice in the US but does not have the where with all to actually do that is a scam, pure and simple.

and evidently there HAD to be something serious enough that made them think you haad multiple accounts- just like OJ- just cuz it can't be proven, doesn't mean the deed wasn't done...

maybe if you would own up to your mistakes and try to put right all the shady false ifo you put out instead of trying to spin it for all its worth, then maybe ( i doubt it, but... who knows miracle can happen) people will be willing to listen....

and what? DJ needs you to be his mama?? I'm sure if he was truly offended, he would definitely say something (he doesn't quite strike me as the shy type...)

[stephew]

the administration has created the terms of service. if they (or the applications thereof) are not acceptable to any user, they should refrain from using this web site and choose a less moderated (or differently moderated) site.

By your own standards, accusing a modertor of not doing their job "properly" is an insult and an accusation. This is why vmd admin did not make unreasonable tos standards. If you did enforce the TOS properly, it wouldn’t be only me with the infraction. Posting private messages, using vulgar, insulting language /scam, liar, etc. /, accusations of me posting as other users, insulting our students should not be permitted.

[stephew]

action is taken when a report is deemed to be action-worthy. we do not reply to all the reports simply as we do not have the time. often action occurs but the reporter does not see it. sometimes there is no action as we do not think there is a violation. it is up to the mods and admin to interpret actions in context of tos. if a user feels they cannot comply with tos, or do not agree with how they are enforced here, they are free to find a site more in line with their own philosophy.I have reported those posts numerous times, no action taken. As promised I will follow the TOS but others should do the same.

[stephew]

While the general consensus is that PM's should remain private, I fail to see anything in the TOS specifically prohibiting it (unless it falls under the personal information clause - but I believe this is more name, phone, email, etc.)

this is 100% correct. Its not great netiquette to post them, but not a violation expect as noted above or the content is in any other way a violation of tos per se.

[stephew]

I think you should, since it looks like mods dont enforce the TOS

i see one or two users here with infractions. though you are semi-right; we do send courtesy requests firsts to ask them to comply with tos.

[dt]

From IMED: "Current as of 25 Aug 2007", no listing of CMU


+15 days and counting up...

[dt]

From IMED: "Current as of 31 Aug 2007", no listing for CMU under Netherlands Antilles.


+21 days and counting up...

[Scott1981]

From IMED: "Current as of 31 Aug 2007", no listing for CMU under Netherlands Antilles.


+21 days and counting up...

its now sept 10th :lol:

[ind3r]

u added an extra 0 though i'm sure it'll be the same result when the 10th comes around =/

[Scott1981]

u added an extra 0 though i'm sure it'll be the same result when the 10th comes around =/

no, read the oregon thread below this one. i posted the dialogue i had with the cmu online rep while i was posing as a prospective student. she said that WHO would be taken care of sept 10th "CERTAINLY."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[dt]

From IMED, "Current as of 14 Sep 2007", no listing (yet?)


let's see... +35 days and counting up.

[Genossa maximillian]

I posted the body of an email I got from the Inspector General Cuaracao. It is self explanatory, dated 9-11-07 4:14p.m. titled "As I promised" it is self explanatory, not even the Inspector General has an idea as to when the licensing or charter will be issued, so much less the school or any school official. Anything else will be preposterous. In other words, keeping on the chain of postings with count downs serves no purpose. It is a wait and see period. Per the email, the school does not even have a license to operate and they are awaiting for that too. When? beats everyone up.

http://www.valuemd.com/caribbean-medical-university-cmu/142547-charter-issues-3.html

So.....we can go on and on with the silly count down and accomplish nothing other than flaming this guy.



From IMED, "Current as of 14 Sep 2007", no listing (yet?)


let's see... +35 days and counting up.

[eastern2western]

reruns again

[stateofequilibrium]

Did their new semester start?

[eastern2western]

It is kind of weird that this forum just do not have any posts from the students. If u go to other forums for schools that are still open (UAG, SGU, Ross etc), u would usually get complains from students about everything from lack of soaps in the bathroom to loan check delays. The only people we get around here are usually attackers from other univeristies. Where are the actual students? Now, the cheerleaders were okay for a while, but other schools would usually have students who complain. I mean there is not such thing as a perfect school. If we open up a forum for the Ivy League schools, I am sure that there would be plenty of students list their complaining. Now, I am only writing this because I want to see some real people who are actually attending CMU.

[rokshana]

It is kind of weird that this forum just do not have any posts from the students. If u go to other forums for schools that are still open (UAG, SGU, Ross etc), u would usually get complains from students about everything from lack of soaps in the bathroom to loan check delays. The only people we get around here are usually attackers from other univeristies. Where are the actual students? Now, the cheerleaders were okay for a while, but other schools would usually have students who complain. I mean there is not such thing as a perfect school. If we open up a forum for the Ivy League schools, I am sure that there would be plenty of students list their complaining. Now, I am only writing this because I want to see some real people who are actually attending CMU.

i think that the reason we don't see any current students posting here is probably because they have very few current students- a reliable source told me that they have maybe 10 12 students currently there - 9 (who obviously don't read VMD) that started this fall... but i would imagine that RL et al aren't generally going to be supportive of having them come here...

[teratos]

They used to come, but I'm sure they tired of the beating they took. If you were a student, would you post here anymore? Hopefully, some of them have taken something away from reading the posts here and left the school.....

[Scott1981]

a cmu classroom from dj siva's website:
http://cache31.sfo1.imeem.com/g/d7d77ed2d4b90825a1faf07ee3739fee.jpg

here are some notes:
http://cache31.sfo1.imeem.com/g/2aad7792769f45d6af17a1c73bb06409.jpg

dj $iva melbourne | los angeles's Photo on IMEEM (http://djsiva.imeem.com/photo/ZK-8Zkzfxx/)

[Scott1981]

now here is the interesting thing....

view the old cmu "confirmation of a scam video" to refresh yourself what RL's voice sounds like.
YouTube - CMU NEW VIDEO 3 confirmation of a scam !!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NdylZnOL3s)

now view the video on siva's website "willemsted at night" dated aug 24. midway through the 17 sec video, you here a voice that sounds similar to RL. its definitely not dj siv's voice. in my opinion, it sounds like RL..... only my opinion and its probably a stretch..... what do you all think?

another voice is on the "moving on to 4th semester" video, but it is more muffled.

the website for the two videos:
dj $iva melbourne/ los angeles: August 2007 (http://djsiva.blogspot.com/2007_08_01_archive.html)

[eastern2western]

They used to come, but I'm sure they tired of the beating they took. If you were a student, would you post here anymore? Hopefully, some of them have taken something away from reading the posts here and left the school.....
Deleted to avoid another trolling punishment.

[TonyIvey]

It is kind of weird that this forum just do not have any posts from the students. If u go to other forums for schools that are still open (UAG, SGU, Ross etc), u would usually get complains from students about everything from lack of soaps in the bathroom to loan check delays. The only people we get around here are usually attackers from other univeristies. Where are the actual students? Now, the cheerleaders were okay for a while, but other schools would usually have students who complain. I mean there is not such thing as a perfect school. If we open up a forum for the Ivy League schools, I am sure that there would be plenty of students list their complaining. Now, I am only writing this because I want to see some real people who are actually attending CMU.
Buddy boy.you cannot bait them or hunt them as you confessed.no students will come to see you.you can go to cmu and see them.

[TonyIvey]

I understand that the cheerleaders get beat up pretty bad around here, but what happened to the people who are actually attending and hat cmu. If u go on to auc, ross, sgu or uag forums, u will get opinions from both sides. For example, some posts from Ross forum would praise the school for its teaching staff, online videos and its uslme preparations. However, other posts from the exact same forum would complain about the fact that Ross accepted 400 students for one semester and stuffed the students into classrooms like sardines. Now, those are the opinions I am interested in hearing because different opinions show a more complete perspective on a school, especially a green school.
Stop trolling and whining.no student will come and give you their opinion.no matter how many times you ask.

[TonyIvey]

i think that the reason we don't see any current students posting here is probably because they have very few current students- a reliable source told me that they have maybe 10 12 students currently there - 9 (who obviously don't read VMD) that started this fall... but i would imagine that RL et al aren't generally going to be supportive of having them come here...
So they only have 10-12 students with 9 starting this semester.if 9 started this semester and they have max of 12,what happened to the 6 they had last semester. how many quit.at least they are losing students as they go. this 9 may quit in the next few weeks and they will only still have 5.

[eastern2western]

Buddy boy.you cannot bait them or hunt them as you confessed.no students will come to see you.you can go to cmu and see them.
Dude, thanks for the little warning. I guess it is just more fun to sit back and enjoy this informative forum. Personally, I do not have 1500 bucks to waste on a school that I have no interest in attending.

[eastern2western]

i think that the reason we don't see any current students posting here is probably because they have very few current students- a reliable source told me that they have maybe 10 12 students currently there - 9 (who obviously don't read VMD) that started this fall... but i would imagine that RL et al aren't generally going to be supportive of having them come here...
I do question the legitimacy of your source tbecause that is not enough students to even cover the rent unless cmu is getting the center for rent free.

[rokshana]

So they only have 10-12 students with 9 starting this semester.if 9 started this semester and they have max of 12,what happened to the 6 they had last semester. how many quit.at least they are losing students as they go. this 9 may quit in the next few weeks and they will only still have 5.


12-9=
that's how many from the 1st term.

[eastern2western]

I love the fact that people are trying to revive a dying forum.

[rokshana]

I do question the legitimacy of your source tbecause that is not enough students to even cover the rent unless cmu is getting the center for rent free.

question away- but even rl said they only had 6 students last semester, so i would imagine that they probably don't have the WHOLE campus open...

point being, there just aren't that many students there to begin with and other than the cheerleaders at the beginnig, those other students probably don't know about the existance of vmd.

[stateofequilibrium]

I love the fact that people are trying to revive a dying forum.

must be a slow day

[eastern2western]

Yes, after september sweeps, there is nothing but reruns.

[dt]

from IMED: Current as of 10 Oct 2007

no listing of CMU. I didnt expect one but keeping track anyways. Curious how long it'll take (if ever?).

countdown(?) = +2 months.

[eastern2western]

The new due date is end of october.

[Scott1981]

The new due date is end of october.

2008? :lol:

[eastern2western]

2008? :lol:
I deliver the message, but I do not interpret it.

[dt]

The new due date is end of october.

Thanks. I havent really kept up with what's going on here...

I based the zero date on August because that was when CMU had on its website a letter from Curacao govt inviting it to apply (and also because of the title on this thread).

[eastern2western]

Thanks. I havent really kept up with what's going on here...

I based the zero date on August because that was when CMU had on its website a letter from Curacao govt inviting it to apply (and also because of the title on this thread).
It is okay because the due date changes by every due date. Back in september, cmu.com said imed listing by end of september. Once october is here, then the website said it is going to get listed by end of october. I am sure that when november is here, the website is going to say end of november.

[Genossa maximillian]

...they never specify the year. :roll:

It is okay because the due date changes by every due date. Back in september, cmu.com said imed listing by end of september. Once october is here, then the website said it is going to get listed by end of october. I am sure that when november is here, the website is going to say end of november.