Admission to UK & Irish Med School

[Masamune]

I'm a Malaysian and about to go to russia to do a 1 year pre-med course in the english medium. I was wondering whether i am eligible to apply to UK or Irish med schools?

[diogenes]

Getting into a U.K. medical school will depend on the strength of your academic qualifications (degree/A-levels or equiv.); being able to study in English; and your ability to pay a great deal more than you will be paying in Russia!
The competition for places is pretty tough. I believe that similar will apply in Ireland.

[Masamune]

i know...my english is great..wouldnt say perfect but i'm definately fluent..I'm just wondering whether they will accept a russian pre-med qualification. I study core subjects such as bio,chem,physics,maths also in english..just like in a levels..but i'm not sure we study abt the same thing though. For the fees i know is much much more expensive..But i would like to keep my options open and see what type of university i may apply to..Ireland i might can afford..UK might not..

[diogenes]

i know...my english is great..wouldnt say perfect but i'm definately fluent..I'm just wondering whether they will accept a russian pre-med qualification. I study core subjects such as bio,chem,physics,maths also in english..just like in a levels..but i'm not sure we study abt the same thing though. For the fees i know is much much more expensive..But i would like to keep my options open and see what type of university i may apply to..Ireland i might can afford..UK might not..
My suspicion is that U.K. schools will have the same problem: they won't be familiar with the Russian course content or its standard. They may well decide that it's too much trouble to assess.
Really though, the only way to find out is to look at the schools' web sites and if you have further questions email them to the admissions people.

[tinkywinky]

i know...my english is great..wouldnt say perfect but i'm definately fluent..I'm just wondering whether they will accept a russian pre-med qualification. I study core subjects such as bio,chem,physics,maths also in english..just like in a levels..but i'm not sure we study abt the same thing though. For the fees i know is much much more expensive..But i would like to keep my options open and see what type of university i may apply to..Ireland i might can afford..UK might not..


I am sure that you will have to take GCE A level to be eligible to apply to UK medical school. I was in medical school outside EU till final year and I transferred to UK medical school but I had to re-do A level to get in.
I am pretty sure that your pre-med does not helpful for UK medical school entry. You need 4 As in four A level subjects to enter interview as competition is very tight. For non EU students competition is approximately 400 applicants for 25 places. Even if you get 4 A in 4 subjects you are not sure to be selected.

Many UK students are now targeting Carribbean medical schools.

[Beebopash]

Uk medical schools do recognize international bacc as qualification and generally speaking they are more lenient to take over sees student. Thats because over sees student pay 15 to 16 times more fees directly to university than a home student. I dont think your premeds are going to be beneficial as many med schools aren't familiar with this system. If you can just do a/level or international bacc.

Also in terms of payment, I know for a fact that Malaysian students are funded to do their education in UK by their government, provided that they return to malaysia after qualifying. It might be something you would want to look into.

[Masamune]

Haha beepo...in malaysia i didnt get that scholarship...and mostly they give to malays...sorry o say they are quite racist here..Well..my fren passed from russian pre med got accepted to UK if im not wrg..i have to ask her though,,

[tinkywinky]

Haha beepo...in malaysia i didnt get that scholarship...and mostly they give to malays...sorry o say they are quite racist here..Well..my fren passed from russian pre med got accepted to UK if im not wrg..i have to ask her though,,

Yes . International baccl: may be accepted for UK medical school entry. But this is only theoretical possibility. It would be like waiting for a jack-pot lottery winner these days. The chances of accepting is possible but very remote these days. About 4 or 5 years ago, medical school entry was not that tough. AAB grading were selected . One of my friend had been selected with A level pass from one of Asian country. Those were the days guys.
Now these days three subjects grade A is not enough and so every students take 4 subjects and must get grade A in all 4 subjects to be competitive.
Russian pre-med may be accepted as well but the chance of getting is very remote. Thats what I am saying.

[diogenes]

Yes . International baccl: may be accepted for UK medical school entry. But this is only theoretical possibility. It would be like waiting for a jack-pot lottery winner these days. The chances of accepting is possible but very remote these days. About 4 or 5 years ago, medical school entry was not that tough. AAB grading were selected . One of my friend had been selected with A level pass from one of Asian country. Those were the days guys.
Now these days three subjects grade A is not enough and so every students take 4 subjects and must get grade A in all 4 subjects to be competitive.
Russian pre-med may be accepted as well but the chance of getting is very remote. Thats what I am saying.
Strange. The fact is that applications to U.K. med. schools have fallen slightly over the last few years. Additionally, places have incresed significantly. If it is true that the average grade requirement has risen in the time span you suggest then I can only assume there has been some inflation of A-level grades.

[tinkywinky]

Strange. The fact is that applications to U.K. med. schools have fallen slightly over the last few years. Additionally, places have incresed significantly. If it is true that the average grade requirement has risen in the time span you suggest then I can only assume there has been some inflation of A-level grades.


Yes you are right. The places had been increased both to home students and international students starting from 2001.
But applicants also increased. Now a days there is very few chanches for IMGs to get into UK specialty training system and to become a consultant in the UK. Starting from 2011, IMGs without UK medical degree , even if they have finished training program and possess CCST, they will not be granted Consultant post. Only those with British medical degree plus CCST will become consultant after 2011. International medical degree with passing of PLAB exam is not sufficient to become a consultant. Many IMGs currently in the training program are now taking USMLE to leave UK because they will not be the consultants when they get CCST. So Many people and many of their siblings are competing to get into medical school starting from A level schools in the UK. Mostly private schools.
Probably the number may go down last year or two but this is mainly due to almost hopeless situation and many did not want to spend too much on this hopeless situation. Now many EU students are doing A levels in private schooles in the UK with the hope that if they can get in they have the same right as UK home students.
As far as I know for international students , there are 30 places in Kings college, 30 in UCL, 25 in Leeds. 20 in Leister university.
less than 30 in St Georges University. 25 in St Mary school, 10 to 20 in Liverpool, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Birmingham, manchester, Wales, Peninsula. Thats all.
Approximately 300 . Applicants are many thousands . So the admission tuitors have the problems to pick up a few out of these people of almost same calibre. Luck is also major component.

[diogenes]

Here's just one link which suggests that what you are saying about applications is incorrect -
Cardiff applications buck the national trend (http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/news/articles/cardiff-applications-buck-the-national-trend.html)
I have seen the same from a number of other sources.
However, it could be that because of the factors which you mention applications are on the rise again this year.
One problem with the strategy you suggest is surely that unless they are also British or EU citizens they will still fall foul of the work permit requirements.
What you said about only British grads. being eligible for consultancy posts after 2011 was interesting and very surprising considering the influence of EU employment law - have you got any links for more info. on that?

[Chemist_11]

Im a UK medical school applicant - accepted after interview to a medical university 'down south'. (awaiting my grades on the 16th to see if I can accept my offer!).

I wasn't going to comment here, but as I have seen a lot of misleading posts, I thought I would step in.

Since when has UCAS stated that an applicant needs 4 A grades at A level? absolute rubbish. AABb is the 'standard minimum requirement' for UK medical schools (apart from Cambridge and Oxford Undergrad courses, possibly Durham/Newcastle). And students DO get accepted presenting A and B grades. BUT to be a competative applicant without all A's at A level, one has to have a lot of experience in the medical field and if possible, suitable 'life experiences' - very good personal reasons for entering the medical profession.

All Irish medical schools require 4 A grades at A level - the Irish system doesnt allow personal statements to be submitted along with the initial application.

I would also just like to add that if a University is willing to accept a 'pre medical qualification' (which a lot will not), the qualification in question is only accepted if offered by a college associated with the university. E.g. BSMS will only accept premed students from the Sussex downs college/Sussex premed.

[diogenes]

Duplicate post - bad connection day

[diogenes]

And another -sorry.

[diogenes]

I was also puzzled by this 4 A lark (as well as the misleading statement about application no's.) and did gently query it with the OP
After asking around yesterday and today I must agree with you Chem11 - AABb was declared by every source to be the going rate.

[Masamune]

Haha...my friend just completed his a levels...He got 4A's 1B..He got accpeted to imperial college...So definately won't need straight A's..And he's going to russia with me..haha..

[tinkywinky]

I was also puzzled by this 4 A lark (as well as the misleading statement about application no's.) and did gently query it with the OP
After asking around yesterday and today I must agree with you Chem11 - AABb was declared by every source to be the going rate.


No. What universities recommendation is just AAB. No need for 4 subjects .Students take more and more subjects to get head and shoulder.
UK UCAS application is very different. It is done on prediction of grading by college tutors before you actually take the examination. If you get as many prediction as possible you will get the chance to get intereview. So if your tutor give you 4A you will have the chance to get interviewed. Once you are interviewed and get provisional acceptance you don't need 4 A. they ask for AABC. like that. So the need is only your college tutors prediciton to be competitive. So there are many students accepted to medical schools with AABC ,AAAB, AAAC. Your actual scoring is not absolute importance once you get provisional acceptance and fulfill their asking grading .
But you will not get good tutors recommendation unless you showed yourself AAAA in 4 subjects in the college. If college tutors give some bad guys AAAA on prediction that would be their relatives.These students need extracurricular activities, tutors' strong recommendation and interview success apart from grading.


Can somebody from UK students with provisional accepatance show that you did not get AAA on prediction and get acceptance.

[diogenes]

No. What universities recommendation is just AAB. No need for 4 subjects .Students take more and more subjects to get head and shoulder.
UK UCAS application is very different. It is done on prediction of grading by college tutors before you actually take the examination. If you get as many prediction as possible you will get the chance to get intereview. So if your tutor give you 4A you will have the chance to get interviewed. Once you are interviewed and get provisional acceptance you don't need 4 A. they ask for AABC. like that. So the need is only your college tutors prediciton to be competitive. So there are many students accepted to medical schools with AABC ,AAAB, AAAC. Your actual scoring is not absolute importance once you get provisional acceptance and fulfill their asking grading .
But you will not get good tutors recommendation unless you showed yourself AAAA in 4 subjects in the college. If college tutors give some bad guys AAAA on prediction that would be their relatives.These students need extracurricular activities, tutors' strong recommendation and interview success apart from grading.


Can somebody from UK students with provisional accepatance show that you did not get AAA on prediction and get acceptance.
Yes, I know very well the distinction between predicted and attained grades.
What you actually said in not one but two posts was that - "Now these days three subjects grade A is not enough"
and you talked of "needing" 4 A's. It wasn't clear that your comments were mostly concerned with predicted results.
I note that in the question you pose above you are now speaking only of 3 A's not the 4 you mentioned earlier and now one of predicted not achieved grades.
I would agree with you that someone not getting a 3A prediction would be at a disadvantage, though I am sure there are still quite a number who do manage to get an offer by dint of their other qualities or extenuating circumstances. I personally know of some; but I don't claim that my hearsay knowledge has much to say about the bigger picture or should be relied upon.

[diogenes]

Just to add that most med. schools place huge importance on grades predicted/achieved in Chemistry over and above the other subjects. Some will specify an A requirement for Chem., and meeting that stipulation can sometimes hide a multitude of defects!
Also, many schools make some allowance for the track record of the school you attend: if it's poor they may lower the grade offer. Conversely, admissions tutors have been known to raise the barrier for applicants they don't like!

[tinkywinky]

OK I agrre.
I took my time and analysed the data of applicants and acceptance for 2005. If you want to see other years database please see UCAS (http://www.ucas.com).



Annual Data, 2005 entryInstitution, by subject group and domicile V1.0InstOrdInstCodeInstName2000Institution regionJACS Subject GroupDomicileGenderDeg AppsDeg Accepts0A20The University of AberdeenL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen721790A20The University of AberdeenL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen583650A20The University of AberdeenL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen18540A20The University of AberdeenL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen14080A20The University of AberdeenL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen14750A20The University of AberdeenL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen7841854165OVERSEAS 225122350B74Brighton and Sussex Medical SchoolH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen1173672350B74Brighton and Sussex Medical SchoolH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen815362350B74Brighton and Sussex Medical SchoolH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen5332350B74Brighton and Sussex Medical SchoolH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen4322350B74Brighton and Sussex Medical SchoolH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen13052350B74Brighton and Sussex Medical SchoolH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen7602290113OVERSEAS 9652400B78University of BristolI South WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen17122142400B78University of BristolI South WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen12751092400B78University of BristolI South WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen255122400B78University of BristolI South WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen18882400B78University of BristolI South WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen16812400B78University of BristolI South WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen9803696344OVERSEAS 443203300C15Cardiff UniversityJ WalesGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen16731863300C15Cardiff UniversityJ WalesGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen13221333300C15Cardiff UniversityJ WalesGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen225133300C15Cardiff UniversityJ WalesGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen179143300C15Cardiff UniversityJ WalesGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen13523300C15Cardiff UniversityJ WalesGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen9223626350OVERSEAS 404276000D65University of DundeeL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen11181366000D65University of DundeeL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen8861026000D65University of DundeeL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen13346000D65University of DundeeL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen14166000D65University of DundeeL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen11256000D65University of DundeeL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen8812478254OVERSEAS 274106700E56The University of EdinburghL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen11031386700E56The University of EdinburghL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen761916700E56The University of EdinburghL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen283106700E56The University of EdinburghL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen21156700E56The University of EdinburghL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen24746700E56The University of EdinburghL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen12642731252OVERSEAS 494159275H75Hull York Medical SchoolB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen958749275H75Hull York Medical SchoolB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen865679275H75Hull York Medical SchoolB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen3419275H75Hull York Medical SchoolB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen3009275H75Hull York Medical SchoolB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen7409275H75Hull York Medical SchoolB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen4302004142OVERSEAS 74111624K60King's College London (University of London)G Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen309332011624K60King's College London (University of London)G Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen236721811624K60King's College London (University of London)G Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen4762411624K60King's College London (University of London)G Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen3431611624K60King's College London (University of London)G Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen2551311624K60King's College London (University of London)G Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen20076734598OVERSEAS 8193010700L23University of LeedsB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen199421810700L23University of LeedsB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen152314010700L23University of LeedsB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen2581710700L23University of LeedsB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen2162610700L23University of LeedsB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen102410700L23University of LeedsB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen5424147407OVERSEAS 4744311200L34University of LeicesterD East MidlandsGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen102814911200L34University of LeicesterD East MidlandsGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen86511811200L34University of LeicesterD East MidlandsGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen1861811200L34University of LeicesterD East MidlandsGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen1701611200L34University of LeicesterD East MidlandsGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen91211200L34University of LeicesterD East MidlandsGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen4832388306OVERSEAS 3563411400L41The University of LiverpoolC MerseysideGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen148521711400L41The University of LiverpoolC MerseysideGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen122014811400L41The University of LiverpoolC MerseysideGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen2291211400L41The University of LiverpoolC MerseysideGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen229611400L41The University of LiverpoolC MerseysideGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen128311400L41The University of LiverpoolC MerseysideGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen9513386387OVERSEAS 4581812600M20The University of ManchesterC North WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen196119612600M20The University of ManchesterC North WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen177718112600M20The University of ManchesterC North WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen3402612600M20The University of ManchesterC North WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen282912600M20The University of ManchesterC North WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen198512600M20The University of ManchesterC North WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen14334701420OVERSEAS 6223513300N21University of Newcastle upon TyneA North EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen226426413300N21University of Newcastle upon TyneA North EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen189117613300N21University of Newcastle upon TyneA North EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen2371513300N21University of Newcastle upon TyneA North EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen1971113300N21University of Newcastle upon TyneA North EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen135513300N21University of Newcastle upon TyneA North EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen8824812473OVERSEAS 4342615400O33Oxford UniversityH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen5859115400O33Oxford UniversityH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen5318715400O33Oxford UniversityH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen101215400O33Oxford UniversityH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen78315400O33Oxford UniversityH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen57415400O33Oxford UniversityH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen4001392187OVERSEAS 179511642Q50Queen Mary, University of LondonG Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen198321011642Q50Queen Mary, University of LondonG Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen161815611642Q50Queen Mary, University of LondonG Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen2961911642Q50Queen Mary, University of LondonG Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen2241511642Q50Queen Mary, University of LondonG Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen140411642Q50Queen Mary, University of LondonG Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen11654377409OVERSEAS 5203416100Q75Queen's University BelfastK Northern IrelandGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen31016016100Q75Queen's University BelfastK Northern IrelandGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen24613516100Q75Queen's University BelfastK Northern IrelandGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen531016100Q75Queen's University BelfastK Northern IrelandGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen46816100Q75Queen's University BelfastK Northern IrelandGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen119516100Q75Queen's University BelfastK Northern IrelandGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen533827321OVERSEAS 991818400S18The University of SheffieldB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen246819218400S18The University of SheffieldB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen202313518400S18The University of SheffieldB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen3481018400S18The University of SheffieldB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen265718400S18The University of SheffieldB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen140318400S18The University of SheffieldB Yorks & The HumberGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen9915343348OVERSEAS 6131718900S27University of SouthamptonH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen210613518900S27University of SouthamptonH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen16778418900S27University of SouthamptonH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen2952218900S27University of SouthamptonH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen219718900S27University of SouthamptonH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen175418900S27University of SouthamptonH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen11214584253OVERSEAS 5142919300S36University of St AndrewsL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen4465519300S36University of St AndrewsL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen3573919300S36University of St AndrewsL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen54619300S36University of St AndrewsL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen51919300S36University of St AndrewsL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen39319300S36University of St AndrewsL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen361983113983113OVERSEAS 1051511682U80University College London (University of London)G Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen91016511682U80University College London (University of London)G Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen79315311682U80University College London (University of London)G Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen1611711682U80University College London (University of London)G Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen107811682U80University College London (University of London)G Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen87311682U80University College London (University of London)G Greater LondonGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen7552133351OVERSEAS 26825

[tinkywinky]

I am not sure how you can read it.
basically the largest number is 613 applicants for Sheffield university and 17 were accepted.

Annual Data, 2005 entryInstitution, by subject group and domicile V1.0InstOrdInstCodeInstName2000Institution regionJACS Subject GroupDomicileGenderDeg AppsDeg Accepts0A20The University of AberdeenL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen721790A20The University of AberdeenL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen583650A20The University of AberdeenL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen18540A20The University of AberdeenL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen14080A20The University of AberdeenL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen14750A20The University of AberdeenL ScotlandGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen7841854165OVERSEAS 225122350B74Brighton and Sussex Medical SchoolH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen1173672350B74Brighton and Sussex Medical SchoolH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen815362350B74Brighton and Sussex Medical SchoolH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen5332350B74Brighton and Sussex Medical SchoolH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen4322350B74Brighton and Sussex Medical SchoolH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen13052350B74Brighton and Sussex Medical SchoolH South EastGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen7602290113OVERSEAS 9652400B78University of BristolI South WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeWomen17122142400B78University of BristolI South WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryA HomeMen12751092400B78University of BristolI South WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasWomen255122400B78University of BristolI South WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryOther overseasMen18882400B78University of BristolI South WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUWomen16812400B78University of BristolI South WestGroup A Medicine & DentistryB EUMen980

[tinkywinky]

Just to add that most med. schools place huge importance on grades predicted/achieved in Chemistry over and above the other subjects. Some will specify an A requirement for Chem., and meeting that stipulation can sometimes hide a multitude of defects!
Also, many schools make some allowance for the track record of the school you attend: if it's poor they may lower the grade offer. Conversely, admissions tutors have been known to raise the barrier for applicants they don't like!


For UK applicants 1 in 3 applicants are accepeted on 2005 data. Chemist 11 seems to be a UK home student and it may seem very easy for him because this is their country.
For oversease applicants average is around 5 %. If somebody can get head and shoulder is is not very easy. Other factors also contribute as well. For 4 subjects, I guess UK home students may be doing only 3 subjects or I dont know about them.
For overseas , most are doing 4 subjects . Some may be selected for interview with 3A and 1 B by prediction plus other factors but may be very rare and we should not gamble and pour thousands of pound into water . Without 3A on prediction I would say do not think about it. Second thing actual scoring may be not 4A because once someone is accepted on provisional offer they relax and AABC is just enough to get in. So nobody knows how admission tutors are sorting out.
Believe me I am one of selection member at a big Medical school at South London.
I am not letting down all potential students but at the same time I do not want to give false hope that it is easy to get into UK medical school.

[tinkywinky]

This is another data base for home students for medical school.

[tinkywinky]

This is another data base for home students for medical school.
England annual data, 2005 entrySubject dataset V1.0This dataset contains details of English applicants onlyJACS Subject GroupJACS Subject LineDomicileAgeGenderApplicantsAll Degree AcceptsClrg Deg AcceptsGroup A Medicine & DentistryZ No preferred subject lineA Home18 yrsWomen100Group A Medicine & DentistryZ No preferred subject lineA Home18 yrsMen300Group A Medicine & DentistryZ No preferred subject lineA Home19 yrsWomen100Group A Medicine & DentistryZ No preferred subject lineA Home19 yrsMen300Group A Medicine & DentistryZ No preferred subject lineA Home21 yrsWomen100Group A Medicine & DentistryZ No preferred subject lineA Home22 yrsMen100Group A Medicine & DentistryZ No preferred subject lineA Home25 to 29Women200Group A Medicine & DentistryZ No preferred subject lineA Home30 to 39Women300Group A Medicine & DentistryZ No preferred subject lineA Home30 to 39Men200Group A Medicine & DentistryZ No preferred subject lineA Home40 and overMen100Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home17 and underWomen62341Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home17 and underMen30150Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home18 yrsWomen3500189337Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home18 yrsMen2563128024Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home19 yrsWomen102950518Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home19 yrsMen8633727Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home20 yrsWomen208885Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home20 yrsMen195610Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home21 yrsWomen3951307Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home21 yrsMen239694Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home22 yrsWomen4411729Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home22 yrsMen326963Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home23 yrsWomen3521176Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home23 yrsMen253873Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home24 yrsWomen236892Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home24 yrsMen223810Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home25 to 29Women6572161Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home25 to 29Men6381935Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home30 to 39Women4011053Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home30 to 39Men4581291Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home40 and overWomen82100Group A Medicine & DentistryA1 - Pre-clinical MedicineA Home40 and overMen81131Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home17 and underWomen720Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home17 and underMen720Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home18 yrsWomen4972728Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home18 yrsMen5052178Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home19 yrsWomen175831Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home19 yrsMen195784Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home20 yrsWomen40131Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home20 yrsMen39111Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home21 yrsWomen43190Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home21 yrsMen38130Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home22 yrsWomen42240Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home22 yrsMen27110Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home23 yrsWomen29160Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home23 yrsMen1640Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home24 yrsWomen1850Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home24 yrsMen1031Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home25 to 29Women38130Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home25 to 29Men49160Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home30 to 39Women2760Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home30 to 39Men38100Group A Medicine & DentistryA2 - Pre-clinical DentistryA Home40 and overMen720

[tinkywinky]

Here's just one link which suggests that what you are saying about applications is incorrect -
Cardiff applications buck the national trend (http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/news/articles/cardiff-applications-buck-the-national-trend.html)
I have seen the same from a number of other sources.
However, it could be that because of the factors which you mention applications are on the rise again this year.
One problem with the strategy you suggest is surely that unless they are also British or EU citizens they will still fall foul of the work permit requirements.
What you said about only British grads. being eligible for consultancy posts after 2011 was interesting and very surprising considering the influence of EU employment law - have you got any links for more info. on that?


I read your link and it does not necessarily means medical school application. Secondly it is solely for all numbers which is UK home student
is majority.

For 2011 issue it is not officially announced yet but this is the long term planning. This is still confidential but comeing up soon. They had planning to set up sub-consultant grade meant for other country graduates but this was strongly objected.
2011 is another way of restricting degrees from other countries.? EU , ? overseas. Who knows?

[tinkywinky]

UCAS data (http://www.ucas.com/figures/data/data.html#annual)

this is the link to annual database of UCAS application and acceptance.


Summary for home students.

2004 applied 12066 accepted to medical school 5825

2005 15097 6575

2006 12803 5730.

[tinkywinky]

As a summary for oversease applicants and acceptance
Total applicants 7471
Acceptaed to all medical schools 419. Is it an easy competition?

[diogenes]

I read your link and it does not necessarily means medical school application. Secondly it is solely for all numbers which is UK home student
is majority.

For 2011 issue it is not officially announced yet but this is the long term planning. This is still confidential but comeing up soon. They had planning to set up sub-consultant grade meant for other country graduates but this was strongly objected.
2011 is another way of restricting degrees from other countries.? EU , ? overseas. Who knows?
If you read the link carefully it does comment on medical school applications.
This "confidential....long term planning" is a far cry from yet another bold unqualified assertion of yours that -
"Only those with British medical degree plus CCST will become consultant after 2011"
This was stated by you as pure incontrovertible fact, a fait accompli.

[diogenes]

As a summary for oversease applicants and acceptance
Total applicants 7471
Acceptaed to all medical schools 419. Is it an easy competition?

For UK applicants 1 in 3 applicants are accepeted on 2005 data. Chemist 11 seems to be a UK home student and it may seem very easy for him because this is their country.
For oversease applicants average is around 5 %. If somebody can get head and shoulder is is not very easy. Other factors also contribute as well. For 4 subjects, I guess UK home students may be doing only 3 subjects or I dont know about them.
For overseas , most are doing 4 subjects . Some may be selected for interview with 3A and 1 B by prediction plus other factors but may be very rare and we should not gamble and pour thousands of pound into water . Without 3A on prediction I would say do not think about it. Second thing actual scoring may be not 4A because once someone is accepted on provisional offer they relax and AABC is just enough to get in. So nobody knows how admission tutors are sorting out.
Believe me I am one of selection member at a big Medical school at South London.
I am not letting down all potential students but at the same time I do not want to give false hope that it is easy to get into UK medical school.
Tinkywinky you are tilting at windmills, fighting paper tigers. Neither Chemist 11 nor myself ever said or suggested or (if I may speak for Chem11 for now) even thought that admission to U.K. med. school was remotely easy for anyone and I have posted elsewhere that the competition amongst overseas students is horrendous.
We simply challenged some rather generalized statements that you made which were inaccurate (but I understand now that you meant to say something slightly different).
There is therefore no need to bombard us with data whose format is giving me eye-strain.:)
We all want to give applicants the best possible advice. Hopefully we also want to set a good example by being fairly precise, clear and accurate in what we say to them.

[Chemist_11]

I don't really know what to say. I am a student with an offer (Waiting on my results) - I was not predicted straight A's. I also have a female friend with an offer who also wasn't predicted straight A's. We were two of the three people from my college to get offers for medicine, which just goes to show how much emphasis is placed on good work experience and personal statements.

As for Somebodys friend getting 4 A's and a B, having an offer at Imperial and turning it down to attend russia? :shock:. Someone making a descision like that, I don't think I would want them being my GP thats for sure!.

[Masamune]

Still most ppl from my country cannot afford an education in UK even though thier brillant..becasue of the really high exchange rates..

[sinwl]

Hi, I am planning to apply to Irish medical schools.

The problem is that I graduated from foundation studies at Trinity College in Melbourne Australia and I achieved 88%.

I later studied Biomedical Science at Melbourne University BUT with a GPA of about 5.3/7 for the whole three years. I am eligible to apply to further study honour across Australia and a few local universities which offer graduate entry(along with the sitting of GAMSAT and interview).

I would like to know what is the Matriculation for Australian studies by Irish medical schools and whether I am qualified and eligible to apply?

I know for RCSI, >80% for 6 years and >95% for 5 years.

But what about other universities in Ireland? what requirements do they set for Australian and people who study in Australia.


Thank you