gpa requirement?

[PakiBoy]

hello everyone..i was just wondering whats the min gpa requirement to get into this school and if they have rejected anyone etc.

[IAUStudent006]

hello everyone..i was just wondering whats the min gpa requirement to get into this school and if they have rejected anyone etc.

I am fairly sure that the minimum GPA requirement is 3.0 and that the school has rejected students applications for enrollment (for whatever reason). If you would like further information, please contact the Dallas IAU office for Admissions information or feel free to visit IAU's website:

IAU College of Medicine ~ St. Lucia (http://www.iau.edu.lc)

[PakiBoy]

errr...thanks as far as the rejection issue but gpa is not 3.0
It clearly states on their site minimum 2.7 and i called the office they even accept lower then 2.7 case by case. i was on my phone browsing through their website thats why i couldnt find it. But thanks anyways.

[IAUStudent006]

errr...thanks as far as the rejection issue but gpa is not 3.0
It clearly states on their site minimum 2.7 and i called the office they even accept lower then 2.7 case by case. i was on my phone browsing through their website thats why i couldnt find it. But thanks anyways.

Well, my apologies on the incorrect information - I'll make sure I check up on my facts next time.

[iaustudent06]

hello everyone..i was just wondering whats the min gpa requirement to get into this school and if they have rejected anyone etc.

The website indicates that a minimum of 2.7 should be maintained. Although, if you have valid reasons, such as death in the family, that can help justify a bad semester or if you still managed to obtain a degree, professional license, good MCAT score, etc, then you could bring the issue up with admissions.

Keep in mind, those who performed low in exams previously tend not to do well here either (yes, duh) without putting in extra effort.

[PakiBoy]

well of course you have to put in much more effort regardless how u did in undergrad. And obviously med skool isnt for everyone either. But you cant really predict whether they'll do better or worse in med school because of their undergrad stats. Because you have to keep in account that during undergrad there are a lot of circumstances that a person might have to go through while being a full-time student. Beside i know some great doctors that have come out of carribbean with lower gpa in undergrad or low MCAT scores.

[chizit]

:rolleyes:The website indicates that a minimum of 2.7 should be maintained. Although, if you have valid reasons, such as death in the family, that can help justify a bad semester or if you still managed to obtain a degree, professional license, good MCAT score, etc, then you could bring the issue up with admissions.

Keep in mind, those who performed low in exams previously tend not to do well here either (yes, duh) without putting in extra effort.:twisted:

Well, my apologies on the incorrect information - I'll make sure I check up on my facts next time.;)

I WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS SAYING THAT THE STATEMENT ABOUT PEOPLE DOING POORLY AS UNDERGRADS WILL AUTOMATICALLY TRANSLATE TO A POOR PERFORMANCE IN MED SCHOOL IS SO>>>>>>>IT MAY OR MAY NOT MERIT A RESPONSE AND THE JURY IS STILL OUT ON THAT. LIKE PAKIBOY SAID.........AND WHEN YOU WERE DOING SO WELL TOO WITH THE SHOW OF HUMILITY, APOLOGISING FOR THE MISINFORMATION AND ALL....YOU HAD TO GO AND SPOIL THE KUDOS I WAS GIVING YOU FOR MATURITY. WOW! WAY TO GO MAN
IF YOU DO NOT KNOW PERCIEVED ATTITUDE OF YOUR PROSPECTIVE SCHOOL MATES IS A MAJOR DETERMINANT IN MY WILLINGNESS TO CHOOSE AND INSTITUTION AS A PLACE TO BE. NO MATTER HOW GREAT THE EDUCATION WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH FOLKS LIKE YOU AFTER CLASSES.

[IAUStudent006]

:rolleyes::twisted:

;)

I WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS SAYING THAT THE STATEMENT ABOUT PEOPLE DOING POORLY AS UNDERGRADS WILL AUTOMATICALLY TRANSLATE TO A POOR PERFORMANCE IN MED SCHOOL IS SO>>>>>>>IT MAY OR MAY NOT MERIT A RESPONSE AND THE JURY IS STILL OUT ON THAT. LIKE PAKIBOY SAID.........AND WHEN YOU WERE DOING SO WELL TOO WITH THE SHOW OF HUMILITY, APOLOGISING FOR THE MISINFORMATION AND ALL....YOU HAD TO GO AND SPOIL THE KUDOS I WAS GIVING YOU FOR MATURITY. WOW! WAY TO GO MAN
IF YOU DO NOT KNOW PERCIEVED ATTITUDE OF YOUR PROSPECTIVE SCHOOL MATES IS A MAJOR DETERMINANT IN MY WILLINGNESS TO CHOOSE AND INSTITUTION AS A PLACE TO BE. NO MATTER HOW GREAT THE EDUCATION WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH FOLKS LIKE YOU AFTER CLASSES.

Just to let you know - iaustudent06 and IAUstudent006 are two different students. I understand the names are pretty similar, but we are two different people. Hope that helps.

[iaustudent06]

I WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS SAYING THAT THE STATEMENT ABOUT PEOPLE DOING POORLY AS UNDERGRADS WILL AUTOMATICALLY TRANSLATE TO A POOR PERFORMANCE IN MED SCHOOL IS SO>>>>>>>IT MAY OR MAY NOT MERIT A RESPONSE AND THE JURY IS STILL OUT ON THAT. LIKE PAKIBOY SAID.........AND WHEN YOU WERE DOING SO WELL TOO WITH THE SHOW OF HUMILITY, APOLOGISING FOR THE MISINFORMATION AND ALL....YOU HAD TO GO AND SPOIL THE KUDOS I WAS GIVING YOU FOR MATURITY. WOW! WAY TO GO MAN
IF YOU DO NOT KNOW PERCIEVED ATTITUDE OF YOUR PROSPECTIVE SCHOOL MATES IS A MAJOR DETERMINANT IN MY WILLINGNESS TO CHOOSE AND INSTITUTION AS A PLACE TO BE. NO MATTER HOW GREAT THE EDUCATION WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH FOLKS LIKE YOU AFTER CLASSES.

I'm not entirely sure what the confusion was, I was simply trying to state my observance that many people who had consistent problems with education before continued to have problems without readjustment of study habits. Regardless, IAU faculty and senior students work in collaboration as the "Tutoring Department" when needed to help facilitate effective learning skills and improve the overall achievement of EVERY student. We are here to help people become better, after we first better ourselves. After all, we are all in the same boat, no point to rock it.

[Burnt]

There is a surprisingly poor correlation between undergrad GPA and graduate performance...I pulled up a few studies done since 2000 but I'm unable to link them here

....the same way that the GRE does squat to actually predict graduate performance, which is why many graduate programs in the US are beginning to veer away from it

[iaustudent06]

Can you not copy and paste the link to these studies that help prove that past performance does not help with future performance?

[iaustudent06]

There is a surprisingly poor correlation between undergrad GPA and graduate performance...

....the same way that the GRE does squat to actually predict graduate performance, which is why many graduate programs in the US are beginning to veer away from it

Can you copy and paste the links to prove the lack of correlation between undergrad academics and graduate work? Or which schools shy away from GRE? Thanks.

[IAUinsider]

There is a surprisingly poor correlation between undergrad GPA and graduate performance...I pulled up a few studies done since 2000 but I'm unable to link them here

....the same way that the GRE does squat to actually predict graduate performance, which is why many graduate programs in the US are beginning to veer away from it

For those of you involved in this discussion who want to see a verified link on this topic and the VARIABILITY of models related to success in undergrad vs that of graduate school, please read the following published article...

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0022-1546(194201)13%3A1%3C19%3ASITGS%3E2.0.CO%3B2-Z

[chizit]

Just to let you know - iaustudent06 and IAUstudent006 are two different students. I understand the names are pretty similar, but we are two different people. Hope that helps.

Sorry Iaustudent006 my mistake & I do apologise for the oversight.:-shut

[Burnt]

Can you copy and paste the links to prove the lack of correlation between undergrad academics and graduate work? Or which schools shy away from GRE? Thanks.

Wright State University, where i'm currently in grad school, is phasing out the GRE. The graduate nursing department doesn't require it any more. I took a statistics class, and the head of graduate admissions taught it.

He hates the GRE, said it's basically for old school people who think the best way to measure people's ability is to give them a test.
He said he thought the best way to measure grad potential was to allow them to take 12 credits of predetermined core grad classes and then evaluate performance.

Also, many nurse anesthesia programs that used to require it (case western, etc) are minimalizing it to people with absolute crap for undergrad.

I only have experience in nursing related fields, but I have a friend with an MS in psych who says it's trending that way in psychology too.

link #1 (http://journals.ohiolink.edu.ezproxy.libraries.wright.edu :2048/ejc/pdf.cgi/Weitzman_R._A.pdf?issn=0003066x&issue=v27i0003&article=236_iittrtgartm)

link #2 -This one is interesting because it shows correlation between the GRE, but very little on undergrad performance (http://journals.ohiolink.edu.ezproxy.libraries.wright.edu :2048/ejc/article.cgi?issn=00028223&issue=v98i0009_&article=a35_posiadiosdp&search_term=%28%22graduate+record+exam%22%29)

.......at one point had a 1.9 in undergrad. I have a 1350 on the GRE (700 verbal - 97th percentile), and a 4.0 in grad studies.


there's some more studies, but i'm not going to do a whole research presentation here :p:shock:

[chizit]

way to go burnt

[Burnt]

I don't think you'll be able to access the links, because they're for WSU students only, but just to give you a general idea here's part of the abstract for the 2nd link:



The four factors identified were Graduate Record Exam-Analytical scores (GRE-A), GRE-Verbal scores (GRE-V), GPA, and Reason for Application. Using Stepwise Logistic Regression, none of the four factors were significantly correlated (p> .05) with the completion of the MS degree. Using the data of subjects who attended the program, the four factors were entered into Correlation Analysis. Two factors were significantly correlated, GRE-A Factor with GPA after the Internship (r =0.33, P=.046) and the MS degree (r=0.61, P=.003) and GRE-V Factor with GPA after MS degree (r=0.45, P=.04). The GPA and Reason factors did not significantly correlate (p>.05) with any of the variables. Current selection criteria may not accurately predict whether an applicant will complete a MS degree program.

I think if EVERYONE who did poorly in undergrad did grad school there'd be a great correlation, but when you narrow the pool to people who just want to do graduate studies (and had a poor GPA) other factors come into play which makes GPA a pretty inaccurate predictor in general, and especially when compared to other methods.




edit:
For those of you involved in this discussion who want to see a verified link on this topic and the VARIABILITY of models related to success in undergrad vs that of graduate school, please read the following published article...

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0022-1546(194201)13%3A1%3C19%3ASITGS%3E2.0.CO%3B2-Z (http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0022-1546%28194201%2913%3A1%3C19%3ASITGS%3E2.0.CO%3B2-Z)



That article is from 1942? Regardless, .4-.6 correlation for high school to college scores is mediocre at best, and underscores my point.

[iaustudent06]

I didn't know this has been debated since 1942... but still widely used.

[HowellJolly]

Standardized Tests (SAT, MCAT, GRE, USMLE) are still used widely by admissions commitees. However, to what extent they are considered varies among programs. Why are they still used? Most likely, because nobody has come up with any admissions criteria which work better.

Predicting how an individual will perform in a situation that they have never been in (namely college, grad school, med school) is about as easy as predicting the weather, or the winner of a horse race. It is estimated on past performance, and on performance in experimental conditions (standardized exams). It's logically shaky, but it's the best we've got to go on. Philosophers call this the Problem of Induction.

Having professors who are well versed in the Problem of Induction, there are Law schools which actually ask the applicant if they prefer to be evaluated primarily based on past academic performance, or on past professional/life experience. Maybe they are on the right track. However, until somone thinks of a more valid and reliable predictor, standardized tests are here to stay.

For the record, my undergraduate performance had absolutely no correlation with my med school performance.