Texas License for Semmelweis Graduate

[momal16]

I am a Semmelweis MD graduate, did my 6th year at Fifth Pathway and am now having trouble getting my Texas license. The Texas Medical Board is saying that my rotations in the USA were not ACGME approved, however, all these rotations were through Fifth Pathway through NY Medical college, so shouldn't they be approved since they were through Fifth Pathway, and not individually? I have an MD from Semmelweis, not a degree from Fifth Pathway.

Anyone had to go through this or has any advice? Anyone gone to Semmelweis and is now licensed in Texas? Please reply. Thanks.

[amaadani]

hey,
i am going to Semmelwis this fall and I am from Houston, Texas.**I have many questions for you :) that I do not know where to start :)

Can you tell me how was going through fifth pathway?**Is it hard to get in?**Where did you do your residency? Or you want to apply for residency here in Texas?**I am assuming you already passed all of your UMSL exams.**so how was them?** make a long story short would you tell us a little bit about your experience please. Thanks.

about your problem, what they say does not sound right? so they mean NY Collage of Medicine's fifth pathway is not ACGME certified?**I think you should contact NY Collage of Medicine.**I mean Semmelweis is not on the list of approved medical schools in Texas, which simply means you have to provide them with more documents.**according to their web site, http://www.tmb.state.tx.us/.
Arash

[amaadani]

hey, also check this link out;
http://www.tmb.state.tx.us/apps/physician_eligibility.php

[gawtti]

I am a Semmelweis MD graduate, did my 6th year at Fifth Pathway and am now having trouble getting my Texas license. The Texas Medical Board is saying that my rotations in the USA were not ACGME approved, however, all these rotations were through Fifth Pathway through NY Medical college, so shouldn't they be approved since they were through Fifth Pathway, and not individually? I have an MD from Semmelweis, not a degree from Fifth Pathway.

Anyone had to go through this or has any advice? Anyone gone to Semmelweis and is now licensed in Texas? Please reply. Thanks.

did they say "ALL" the rotations were not acgme approved. because from what i understand, even if ONLY ONE wasn't acgme you'll still face problems in texas.

also, i'm wondering why did you return to semmelweis? when you could've had graduated through the fifth pathway. maybe you wouldn't have had the current problems you're faced with. or, maybe you did a "one year supervised clinical rotations" offered to those who didn't complete their pre-med requirements in a US college. which requires the student to return to their home school for the awarding of the degree.

[amaadani]

hey gwatti,
as far as I understood, fifth pathway program requires you to go back to your original school so you can get your MD....afterward you can apply for MD degree to the NY borad.... i think something else is wrong, i am waiting to hear back from him...

[gawtti]

hey amaadani,

this is from the nymc website (http://www.nymc.edu/depthome/fifth.asp) (scroll down to the last paragraph);

"Students who complete the Fifth Pathway Program are eligible to obtain their M.D. degree in either of two ways; 1) return to their medical college following one year of residency to obtain their M.D. degree, 2) apply to the New York State Department of Education following one year of residency to obtain their New York State License and then apply for their M.D. degree from the New York State Department of Education; almost all students apply to New York State's Department of Education for their license and M.D. degree."



hey gwatti,
as far as I understood, fifth pathway program requires you to go back to your original school so you can get your MD....afterward you can apply for MD degree to the NY borad.... i think something else is wrong, i am waiting to hear back from him...

[amaadani]

hey amaadani,

this is from the nymc website (http://www.nymc.edu/depthome/fifth.asp) (scroll down to the last paragraph);

"Students who complete the Fifth Pathway Program are eligible to obtain their M.D. degree in either of two ways; 1) return to their medical college following one year of residency to obtain their M.D. degree, 2) apply to the New York State Department of Education following one year of residency to obtain their New York State License and then apply for their M.D. degree from the New York State Department of Education; almost all students apply to New York State's Department of Education for their license and M.D. degree."


hey again, yeah NYMC website is where i read all the info for fifth pathway, they won't say anything about the ACGME. I think NYMC is ACGME approved.
also check this page on UT-houston medical school page;
http://med.uth.tmc.edu/administration/gme/img_docs.html
nothing about ACGME again?
I thought NYMC fifthpathway is an approved program.
arash m.

[amaadani]

hey again,
also check out the following, tons of good info.;

http://www.ecfmg.org/2007ib/ibmec.html#fifthpath

[gawtti]

yes, it is an approved program in majority of states (i'm guessing texas included). i really can't tell without further info. usually, if one has formally graduated with a fifth pathway "certificate of completion". then naturally he/she should be able to practice in texas.

hey again, yeah NYMC website is where i read all the info for fifth pathway, they won't say anything about the ACGME. I think NYMC is ACGME approved.
also check this page on UT-houston medical school page;
Document Requirements for International Medical Graduates (http://med.uth.tmc.edu/administration/gme/img_docs.html)
nothing about ACGME again?
I thought NYMC fifthpathway is an approved program.
arash m.

[amaadani]

Hello again,
one thing i wonder about is how they look at your GPA and MCAT? as you have seen on the fifth pathway requirments you need to be able to compete with the US Medical school applicants...this step itself kind of makes me think....what do you think?
Arash M.

[Bechtel]

To, Gwatti and Amaadani,
Had spoken to a lady at NYMC fifth pathway program,she had very clearly explained the 5th pathway is only from UAG from Mexico.All unversities from Hungary are cosidered superwise clinical training,most people here are assuming by going to NYMC you are doing 5th pathway but its not true as the 5th pathway clearly requires undergrad degree or credits from US, where as all Hungarian programs are six yrs. after high school.Please clarify further by phone or e-mail to them.

[Bechtel]

Amadaani,
All you really need to do is to make sure from NYMC that all the supervised clinicals done are approved and recognised by the Texas Board

[Bechtel]

Amadaani,
This may help go to ACGME Accredited Program and Institutional Listing - Public Access (http://www.acgme.org/adspublic/) NYMC institution number 350782 is one of the sposoring institution of ACGME all their supervised clinical rotations has to be accredited by ACGME.Good luck

[gawtti]

thx, i already knew that! i looked into it last year. so, i'm pretty up to date. this is the reason why i'm contemplating transfering to a carribean school for clinicals. we shall see though.:cool:

To, Gwatti and Amaadani,
Had spoken to a lady at NYMC fifth pathway program,she had very clearly explained the 5th pathway is only from UAG from Mexico.All unversities from Hungary are cosidered superwise clinical training,most people here are assuming by going to NYMC you are doing 5th pathway but its not true as the 5th pathway clearly requires undergrad degree or credits from US, where as all Hungarian programs are six yrs. after high school.Please clarify further by phone or e-mail to them.

[amaadani]

I have B.S. and M.S. from US schools. so I think I really need to contact them and see what is best for me. thanks a million for all the good info. arash m. :)

[Bechtel]

Aamadaani,
Even though you have MS from Usa,as per the lady at NYMC the 5th pathway was ONLY for the students from UAG Mexico (in her words just one Unversity) all other universities around the world are supervised clinical rotations. All you need to do is to verify the one particular rotation which Texas Bd. is concerned about is accredited OR NOT.
Please let us all know the results and any other helpful info.you may find from NYMC program.Thanks

[amaadani]

i will contact them to find out what is really going on. Semmelweis University says that their students go through fifthpathway. Fifth pathway is a supervised clinical rotations which gets you a certificate. With the certificate from the fifth pathway you should be able to apply to ACGME approved residencies almost anywhere fifth pathway is approved, and of course you need your MD from your medical school, too.

so what I understand from your writing is that fifth pathway is only for UAG graduates from Mexico and not for any other medical graduates. And if you graduated from the any other medical school then you will not be awared certificate of completion for going through the fifth pathway. Am I right?
If I understood you right then I think you are not correct and/or lady at NYMC was not right either. That is not how fifth pathway is defined. you can check the following site for summary of requirments for fifth pathway;

ECFMG 2007 Information Booklet - Medical Education Credentials (http://www.ecfmg.org/2007ib/ibmec.html#fifthpath) (look at the bottom of the page)

for example of requirments for residentcies in one of Texas schools you can check out the following; Document Requirements for International Medical Graduates (http://med.uth.tmc.edu/administration/gme/img_docs.html)

i will follow up on what you said and I will let y'all know what happend.

arash m.

[Bechtel]

[quote=amaadani;623695]i will contact them to find out what is really going on. Semmelweis University says that their students go through fifthpathway.

Arash,
Fifth pathway admission requirements are
1. Undergrad GPA
2. MCAT Scores
3.USMLE-1 passing grade
4.Needs to be coming from the approved school

For one year supervised clinical rotation you do not need any of the above.
They both provide you with one year of rotation but the type of letters or certificates given at the end are different AND 5th pathway will help you get good match and you can get a degree from NYMC.
Where as just the clinical rotation coming from Hungarian Colleges will ofcourse be helpful but not as beneficial as getting 5th PW certificate.
Please verify all this and do let us all know,thanks

[Bechtel]

thx, i already knew that! i looked into it last year. so, i'm pretty up to date. this is the reason why i'm contemplating transfering to a carribean school for clinicals. we shall see though.:cool:

Going to Carribean school will provide two yrs. clinicals in USA,believe there are only four schools approved by CA. Md. Bd. Are you planning to transfer to one of these? SGU,ROSS,AUC &SABA
Suppose if you stayed at DEB. for 5 yrs. and did 6th yr. supervised clinical rotation at NYMC and scored over 90 in step one would this be about equal going to carribean as far as getting residency of your choice?
Do you know if all FMG's need 2 yrs. clinicals in US or just one yr. is sufficient to get licensed in CA? Thanks,

[amaadani]

so you happen to know the MCAT and Undergrad GPA requirment for the 5th pathway....i can not find any data...thankx


[quote=amaadani;623695]i will contact them to find out what is really going on. Semmelweis University says that their students go through fifthpathway.

Arash,
Fifth pathway admission requirements are
1. Undergrad GPA
2. MCAT Scores
3.USMLE-1 passing grade
4.Needs to be coming from the approved school

For one year supervised clinical rotation you do not need any of the above.
They both provide you with one year of rotation but the type of letters or certificates given at the end are different AND 5th pathway will help you get good match and you can get a degree from NYMC.
Where as just the clinical rotation coming from Hungarian Colleges will ofcourse be helpful but not as beneficial as getting 5th PW certificate.
Please verify all this and do let us all know,thanks

[Bechtel]

Please look under admissions requirements and to verify it has contact ph. no. Or its 914-594-3651 or 4489
New York Medical College - The Fifth Pathway Program (http://www.nymc.edu/depthome/fifth.asp)

[amaadani]

yes, but i can not see any sort of numbers, for instance GPA of 3.0 and MCAT of 35 is the cut off....or there is not cut off at all....i called them and they say almost every one is welcome :)

so by statistics I mean like; how many people apply, how many people get in, what is the mean GPA and MCAT for the applicant pool, and what is the mean GPA and MCAT of accepted students....



Please look under admissions requirements and to verify it has contact ph. no. Or its 914-594-3651 or 4489
New York Medical College - The Fifth Pathway Program (http://www.nymc.edu/depthome/fifth.asp)

[Bechtel]

yes, but i can not see any sort of numbers, for instance GPA of 3.0 and MCAT of 35 is the cut off....or there is not cut off at all....i called them and they say almost every one is welcome :)

so by statistics I mean like; how many people apply, how many people get in, what is the mean GPA and MCAT for the applicant pool, and what is the mean GPA and MCAT of accepted students....

Please ask them coming from Semmelweis at the end of five yrs. to do one yr. at NYMC 5th PW,would this qualify one to get a degree from NYMC,if not, which int'l schools you need to come from to get this degree from NYMC.Hope this will clarify the situation better.they are the ultimate people to determine all this,thnx

[amaadani]

NYMC fifth pathway or any other fifth pathway won't give a degree. They will give a certificate of completion for the program, the fifth pathway program, that you attend. and again a certificate and not a degree. If you stay in New York in a case NYMC for your residency then you may apply for an MD to the board of NY medical examiners...

and you are wrong when you say, "they are the ultimate people to determine all this,thnx", law is above all and it is followed and respected well around here.

Please ask them coming from Semmelweis at the end of five yrs. to do one yr. at NYMC 5th PW,would this qualify one to get a degree from NYMC,if not, which int'l schools you need to come from to get this degree from NYMC.Hope this will clarify the situation better.they are the ultimate people to determine all this,thnx

[Bechtel]

am glad its clear to you,thanks

[amaadani]

hey, any of you guys know any thing about the type of student loans aviable to students in semmelweis....