CMU's Faculty members

[superhumper]

:nah:The CVs of CMU's faculty members look very impressive. I'd like to ask Dr.P. when and where did he do PhD and what was the title. Thanks

[diogenes]

:D The CVs of CMU's faculty members look very impressive. I'd like to ask Dr.P. when and where did he do PhD and what was the title. Thanks
Yes, and in keeping with the Pirates/sharks of the Caribbean theme some of them are very enterprising in the way they inflate said CV's.
Dr. P. (who is listed as a former head of Path. at St. Christopher's as well as faculty at I.A.U. St. Lucia) is said to have his 'insightful articles/comments.....regularly published in the British Medical Journal...'
I can find 1 letter of about 290 words published there in Feb. 2005! His CMU cv appears to list the same letter twice!

He may well be a great academic and teacher with a lot to say that is useful. However this kind of unnecessary hyperbole, a seeming trade mark of CMU, does nothing to further the individual's or the school's cause.

[stephew]

im not entirely convinced that premeds know how to "read" cv's. In fact as a rule, im sure they aren't. some med students aren't and there are plenty of threads on VMD that attest to that.

[superhumper]

Guys, give Doctor P. a break!!! I am sure it was just a mistake. Thanks

His CMU cv appears to list the same letter twice!

[diogenes]

Guys, give Doctor P. a break!!! I am sure it was just a mistake. Thanks
You're right, the double listing could have been a mistake.
I'll have difficulty though getting round the other aspect of the cv inflation I mentioned. How do you get from a 300 word letter to 'insightful articles/comments regularly published'? That was not a slip of the pen or an understandable oversight. And that's just a tiny part of one CMU cv that I took the trouble to investigate.
Granted, it may well not be the fault of Dr. P. himself. It might be whoever it is at CMU who sees gross exaggeration, misleading advertising and embellishment as perfectly legitimate; the same person(s) who were foolish enough to think that they wouldn't get found out; and who persist in this mode despite all the indications that it's just digging a deeper hole for themselves.

[diogenes]

The web cv also states that the 'insightful articles/comments are regularly published in... Academic Medicine'.
Using that journal's own search engine I could find no trace of him (true, the search might not pick up letters or quick responses to other peoples articles which the BMJ engine did).
Again, this is not to bash the learned Doctor; as I said, he may be wonderful in all sorts of ways.
Yes, most of us overstate our credentials a little on cv's: but this definitely crosses a line of academic and commercial decency.
This is quite simply about the ethics and propriety of CMU. The cv bombast is of a pattern with other things we've seen from them.

[atlanticvioxx]

C'mon guys. Slamming a faculty member's CV for a writing mistake is total nonsense. I have heard from sjsm students that Dr. P was very well liked and gave awesome lectures. How a mistake listing something twice or using a semi colon instead of a comma means absolutely ZERO on ones ability to teach.

[diogenes]

C'mon guys. Slamming a faculty member's CV for a writing mistake is total nonsense. I have heard from sjsm students that Dr. P was very well liked and gave awesome lectures. How a mistake listing something twice or using a semi colon instead of a comma means absolutely ZERO on ones ability to teach.
I appreciate atlanticvioxx from this and your other posts that you are trying to be fair to CMU and all her merry band of academics and students - good for you. But please also try and be fair to me - at least by carefully reading what I actually said, not what you think I said.
Which bit did you miss or not understand?
Was it where I said (twice) that the doctor might well be a great educator etc.? Is that why you talk of 'slamming'?
Was it where I said that this was not just about the double listing? Where I pointed out the wanton hyperbole of 'insightful articles/comments regularly published'?
Was it where I suggested that the latter was not a slip of the pen (that's a writing mistake by the way)?
Where oh where did I complain about anything remotely like a punctuation error?
Yes, I have acknowledged that the double article entry could have been a innocent mistake; but not the rest.
Did you fail to understand what I said about the fault quite possibly lying with others at CMU - not the doctor himself (although I think it was quite generous of me to say so - the doctor needs to review what is said on his behalf).

[atlanticvioxx]

I appreciate atlanticvioxx from this and your other posts that you are trying to be fair to CMU and all her merry band of academics and students - good for you. But please also try and be fair to me - at least by carefully reading what I actually said, not what you think I said.
Which bit did you miss or not understand?
Was it where I said (twice) that the doctor might well be a great educator etc.? Is that why you talk of 'slamming'?
Was it where I said that this was not just about the double listing? Where I pointed out the wanton hyperbole of 'insightful articles/comments regularly published'?
Was it where I suggested that the latter was not a slip of the pen (that's a writing mistake by the way)?
Where oh where did I complain about anything remotely like a punctuation error?
Yes, I have acknowledged that the double article entry could have been a innocent mistake; but not the rest.
Did you fail to understand what I said about the fault quite possibly lying with others at CMU - not the doctor himself (although I think it was quite generous of me to say so - the doctor needs to review what is said on his behalf).

If I musunderstood you I apoligize. But it was a slam on Dr. P. Also the punctuation statement was made in referal to individuals being very trivial.

[stephew]

people do that; they decide they dont like something so become picayune about it. it demonstrats more interest in rooting for the home team and finding fault in others than getting to the truth behind things.

[MDXRS22]

We often made that mistake and are taken away by partisanship.

Stephew is right!

[stephew]

We often made that mistake and are taken away by partisanship.

Stephew is right!
partisanship is it in a word.

[DOCplucinski]

Stephew is right!
ohh don't boost her ego :p

[diogenes]

people do that; they decide they dont like something so become picayune about it. it demonstrats more interest in rooting for the home team and finding fault in others than getting to the truth behind things.
If that or MDXRS22's comment was directed at myself I think it was pretty wide of the mark.

Do you consider that the exaggeration in the cv was acceptable. I'm sorry but I don't. And I don't consider it trivial to point it out in the context of other pieces of hype by CMU.

What I highlighted was surely one aspect, however small, of 'getting to the truth behind things'
Moreover, my posts on this forum have not been entirely 'partisan' -any more than yours have been. I'd also point out that if mere criticism of CMU is evidence of 'rooting for the home team' and a 'picayune' then some of your own posts could be (unkindly) construed in that way.
Again, let me say that if my criticisms were taken as 'slamming' of the Doctor that has more to do with the inability of some to read plain English carefully and in its correct context than with anything I actually said. Perhaps this is part of the same problem about reading which you, steph, mentioned in an earlier post.

[MDXRS22]

If that or MDXRS22's comment was directed at myself I think it was pretty wide of the mark.

Do you consider that the exaggeration in the cv was acceptable. I'm sorry but I don't. And I don't consider it trivial to point it out in the context of other pieces of hype by CMU.

What I highlighted was surely one aspect, however small, of 'getting to the truth behind things'
Moreover, my posts on this forum have not been entirely 'partisan' -any more than yours have been. I'd also point out that if mere criticism of CMU is evidence of 'rooting for the home team' and a 'picayune' then some of your own posts could be (unkindly) construed in that way.
Again, let me say that if my criticisms were taken as 'slamming' of the Doctor that has more to do with the inability of some to read plain English carefully and in its correct context than with anything I actually said. Perhaps this is part of the same problem about reading which you, steph, mentioned in an earlier post.

The point was not quite directed at you, and on what you believe to be inaccurate. It was more than a point taken at even my very self when it comes to the beliefs that we shelter toward someone or a particular clan.
In fact, partisanship can take many shapes and forms. It depends on how it's taken and used at one's advantage.

As i said, I don't have anything on your claims for honesty and any disputed credibility.

[MDXRS22]

ohh don't boost her ego :p

Doc, you are such a trouble maker:):)

[superhumper]

I want to remind you, guys, that I started thread to ask Dr. P about his PhD and whatever else he can say about his education and experience , not to give you new topic to start pe... contest. I would appreciate if RL or Dr. P himself clarifies the matter. Thanks

[jtu]

Trigger:
"I have heard from sjsm students that Dr. P was very well liked and gave awesome lectures."

Hi
Friends!!!

Regards.

[superhumper]

Trigger:
"I have heard from sjsm students that Dr. P was very well liked and gave awesome lectures."

Hi
Friends!!!

Regards.

I've heard that there is life on Mars.

[atlanticvioxx]

I am just saying that I know 2 people from sjsm who had him and liked him. WHy did you sign up (you are a newbie) and all you do is slander a man? Did you fail his course?

[superhumper]

I WHy did you sign up (you are a newbie)

You cannot start with 3000 posts, can you?

[atlanticvioxx]

Of course not. However, did you join valuemd to slam this one guy or to discuss useful info?

[superhumper]

Of course not. However, did you join valuemd to slam this one guy or to discuss useful info?
To discuss info of course. Do you think that absence of PhD is useful info when he claims to have one? It's about credibility of the person in question. If he inflates his CV putting twice the same article, brags about the PhD he never got, what one can think about establishment in general?

[atlanticvioxx]

All the data I have about CMU shows it is on the up and up. If you want to see a real scam, look at AGU in Belize.

[superhumper]

All the data I have about CMU shows it is on the up and up. If you want to see a real scam, look at AGU in Belize.
Thanks for the hint.I'll get to it later

[superhumper]

All the data I have about CMU shows it is on the up and up.
Mind to share your data?

[rokshana]

Mind to share your data?


yeah- could you? since all the info i have seen so far are to the contrary.

[Sree Cheruku]

All the data I have about CMU shows it is on the up and up. If you want to see a real scam, look at AGU in Belize.
come on, thats like all those guys in the Stewart U thread who believed that his school would succeed because their research informed them that he was "well connected."

be more specific.

[emt036]

From what I have gathered, CMU is not listed with IMED, and ECFMG has not even received any paperwork regarding the school, so students are not eligible to take the USMLE. Clinical rotations are not hospital/ACGME, and just private MD's letting students shadow them, so won't count for licensing.

I am curious as to your data as well.

[brob311]

The data is all on youtube guys. I mean, they were like in the top 20 for the most viewed video in many categories.

[Scott1981]

atlantic,

why dont you share this "data"?

[superhumper]

Let's ask Dr. P to produce his " more than 50 scientific papers in accredited International medical journals on Microbiology, Biochemistry, Molecular Biology and Immunology" Or all he can do is only links to pubmed search engine and "insightful" comments to somebody's articles?????? I swear I check every single word in his CMU CV and if I find something even with slightest smell I'll put it on VMD so everyone can have a look.

[byteme]

Hi!
Friends!!
I am also asking the same question of data. Now Atlantic may reply!!
Let us debate -- "up-and-up is in the eye of the beholder"
Sincere remarks are most welcome. Regards ;)

[superhumper]

All the data I have about CMU shows it is on the up and up. If you want to see a real scam, look at AGU in Belize.
So what's up with "data"????

[atlanticvioxx]

Why all the slamming of CMU. Pros and cons go to all schools. The only real negative I can see is CMU is new. They have faculty, facilities, and registering with the appropriate agencies. The other data I have is most people slamming the place are newbies.

[atlanticvioxx]

To check out someone publications, you can go to any mid or large university and check the journals. Also, for biochem articles, any college that has chem abstracts can be used.

[stephew]

you can also try pubmed.gov

[Scott1981]

The other data I have is most people slamming the place are newbies.

that is extremely weak data. there are quite a few vmd veterens that have issues with this school.... myself included.

it is strange that you spend day and night attacking agu..... which i think is probably warrented..... but you completely fall for cmu.... even after all the proof that was shown on vmd..... everything from the website plagerism, to the their clinical education basically being a glorified "under the table" private doctor shadowing program, to no WHO and faimer emailing to say they have no record on the school paperwork.

another school you seem to fall for is mua-belize..... even after the st chris debacle, the recent rumors that their us office is closing down, and newspaper articles about the shady pasts of their owners. is it possible that you are so adamant about agu because it is direct competition for mua-belize and you have a vested interest in mua-belize.... i dont know... just throwing that theory out there.... im probably wrong :confused:.

by your data...... st chris would be a legit school because "lots of people are slamming it." your data is not data..... it is a recipe for disaster if that is how you judge a school.

[stephew]

Why all the slamming of CMU. Pros and cons go to all schools. The only real negative I can see is CMU is new. They have faculty, facilities, and registering with the appropriate agencies. The other data I have is most people slamming the place are newbies.
why? reread the threads.

[Scott1981]

Why all the slamming of CMU. Pros and cons go to all schools. The only real negative I can see is CMU is new. They have faculty, facilities, and registering with the appropriate agencies. The other data I have is most people slamming the place are newbies.

you have proof of this? the only proof we have are numerous emails rok sent to faimer to get more information. faimer sent back an email saying they have no record or paperwork from that school.

[DOCplucinski]

that is extremely weak data. there are quite a few vmd veterens that have issues with this school.... myself included.

it is strange that you spend day and night attacking agu..... which i think is probably warrented..... but you completely fall for cmu.... even after all the proof that was shown on vmd..... everything from the website plagerism, to the their clinical education basically being a glorified "under the table" private doctor shadowing program, to no WHO and faimer emailing to say they have no record on the school paperwork.

another school you seem to fall for is mua-belize..... even after the st chris debacle, the recent rumors that their us office is closing down, and newspaper articles about the shady pasts of their owners. is it possible that you are so adamant about agu because it is direct competition for mua-belize and you have a vested interest in mua-belize.... i dont know... just throwing that theory out there.... im probably wrong :confused:.

by your data...... st chris would be a legit school because "lots of people are slamming it." your data is not data..... it is a recipe for disaster if that is how you judge a school.
i'm going to have to agree with scott on this one.

[rlewkowski]

you have proof of this? the only proof we have are numerous emails rok sent to faimer to get more information. faimer sent back an email saying they have no record or paperwork from that school.

CMU/CIU is registered with all appropriate agencies and the emails are not a proof of school's credibility. Wait for CMU being listed in a DIRECTORY OF MEDICAL SCHOOLS and please stop publishing incorect information.

[Scott1981]

CMU/CIU is registered with all appropriate agencies and the emails are not a proof of school's credibility. Wait for CMU being listed in a DIRECTORY OF MEDICAL SCHOOLS and please stop publishing incorect information.

so where is the proof that you actually sent in the paperwork? why dont you post it here or on your website. many other schools posted the paperwork on their website while WHO was "pending."

im sorry, but it seems that as the school administrator..... the burdon of proof lies with you.

[superhumper]

CMU/CIU is registered with all appropriate agencies and the emails are not a proof of school's credibility. Wait for CMU being listed in a DIRECTORY OF MEDICAL SCHOOLS and please stop publishing incorect information.
If you want stop incorrect information, post correct one. By the way, e-mail from IMED is credible. There is no paperwork filed from CMU. What else do you need for the e-mail to be credible?

[atlanticvioxx]

For the record: I have no stake in MUA B what so ever. I am merely stating an opinion. Also, I do give less credibility to newbies slamming a school because when someone has 15 posts and everysingle one slams one school or one faculty member, it is obvious there is an agenda. As for praisong CMU and SJSM, I am stating what I believe to be facts. As for slamming AGU I do have facts, as for MUA-B, I never praised or slamed them.

[atlanticvioxx]

And before anyone makes a comment: NO! I do not proofread my posts or spell check them!:)

[Sree Cheruku]

As for praisong CMU and SJSM, I am stating what I believe to be facts.
Based on what? CMU is still running the banner claiming the third largest campus etc. When you defend a school like that, you put your own credibility at stake.

[rlewkowski]

Based on what? CMU is still running the banner claiming the third largest campus etc. When you defend a school like that, you put your own credibility at stake.

Lots of students and faculty members from other medical schools visited our campus and compared CMU to SGU, ROSS, AUC, SABA. They clearly stated that in terms of campus size we are 3-4 times bigger than AUC or SABA. So we have a lot of potential at the beginning. You havent seen the campus so dont make comments on that, come and see for yourself!!!
We have a lot of clinical rotations, great teachers and exeptional students and thats all that matter.

[stephew]

actually rather than asking students to spend the money to 'come and see for themselves', the posting of the registration to IMED etc on the web site is a cheap and reasonable thing for the school to do (with the burden of proof in the right place. ) this matters at least as much as the things you mention. its not an unreasonable request, particuarly in light of the claims made. it would go a way to establish good faith and credibility.

[emt036]

They clearly stated that in terms of campus size we are 3-4 times bigger than AUC or SABA.

But isn't the school renting space at the Curacao Trade Center? Therefore, most of the space does not belong to the school. With 5-10 students, I can't imagine renting more than 1 classroom and 1 lab. (More would be financially imprudent). So wouldn't it be more accurate to say that CMU's campus, as rented by CMU, is actually 2-3 rooms? I really can't see the space dedicated to CMU being 3-4 times bigger than AUC...

[rlewkowski]

Again: Cmu Is Not Renting Any Rooms In Wtc!!!

[superhumper]

We have a lot of clinical rotations, great teachers and exeptional students and thats all that matter.
Concerning teachers.You have 2 on the campus, one of them has super classified PhD (does not want to tell title and university he earned it) and inflated CV. Nothing I can say yet about his wife. really great teachers.

[atlanticvioxx]

But isn't the school renting space at the Curacao Trade Center? Therefore, most of the space does not belong to the school. With 5-10 students, I can't imagine renting more than 1 classroom and 1 lab. (More would be financially imprudent). So wouldn't it be more accurate to say that CMU's campus, as rented by CMU, is actually 2-3 rooms? I really can't see the space dedicated to CMU being 3-4 times bigger than AUC...


Maybe he was referring to land area.

[atlanticvioxx]

Concerning teachers.You have 2 on the campus, one, Dr.P with fake PhD and inflated CV. Nothing I can say yet about his wife. really great teachers.

That is pretty low accusing someone of a fake degree. Superhumper, where are you a student at?

[rlewkowski]

That is pretty low accusing someone of a fake degree. Superhumper, where are you a student at?

To Atlanticvioxx: Mr. Superhumper is an Anatomy teacher at St. James
To Mr. Superhumper: Please stop bashing our school.

[stateofequilibrium]

Again: Cmu Is Not Renting Any Rooms In Wtc!!!

Perhaps you addressed it before. Exactly what is the affiliation with the organization that owns the wtc then? When you say "affiliated" that has a very broad meaning. AUC is affiliated with San Diego State University, but that by no means means we can go onto their university and claim partial ownersip of their campus.

Also, I too am very interested in this whole IMED/WHO issue. As mainly students who want to practice in the US, such issues should be more important than how much room you POTENTIALLY have to exapnd into.

[AUCMD2006]

Perhaps you addressed it before. Exactly what is the affiliation with the organization that owns the wtc then? When you say "affiliated" that has a very broad meaning. AUC is affiliated with San Diego State University, but that by no means means we can go onto their university and claim partial ownersip of their campus.

Also, I too am very interested in this whole IMED/WHO issue. As mainly students who want to practice in the US, such issues should be more important than how much room you POTENTIALLY have to exapnd into.


good luck getting a straight answer....you gotta word things very carefully when asking or you get a crptic response. let me try:

1)campus-what buildings does the school own?

*this is asking on actual ownership not rental agreements with option to buy, not potential space for expansion, just what buildings does CMU 'foundation' actually own outright not through affiliations with other entities. for example, if CMU wanted to get a loan and the bank asked for collateral..what buildings and land could the school/foundation put up as being their own for collateral.

[IMG SURVIVOR]

Also, I too am very interested in this whole IMED/WHO issue.


They first said at the end of May, then by june, then they already gave the paperwork, then they are waiting for IMED to be updated, then they are still creating the paper work.

So at this moment I dont know which one is it, but the students need that, if they want to practice in USA and take the USMLE.

About rooms and land, I think that is secondary, unless more than 150 people have transfer to CMU, if not IMED/WHO needs to be #1.

My humble opinion.
Good luck

[superhumper]

Look what reply I got from internationally acclaimed medical educator, clinician and administrator. I just wanted to know more about his PhD. Jesus...


Hi Dear Ridiculous Bhat (Trash Can???) superfraud.
Hony. PhD is a honor only. We need not to pay any money for it.
Why are you making a big deal with it and putting yourself in deep trouble. I wonder!!! What will you get stabbing a medical experts. When your child will be sick you will take her to a specialist—right?? and you will see your e-mail copy on the specialists table. Your wife will reply you best for your misdeed though.
It is amazing that a non-medical fraud is talking about quality of medical profession and MD doctors.
Fresh MBBS candidates (without one day teaching experience) are teaching better than you in any subject in your school. They are holding Dean’s post in Bonaire. You are cleaning anatomy hall floor everyday and taking too much alcohol . What a life!!!!Your blood cholesterol is increasing very fast. Your elder brother suffered. Now your turn is coming.
Dr. Ma... is coming back to Bonaire to teach you proper lessons. He will tell everyone about your past history India.
So, you must leave cleaning anatomy hall in Bonaire and go to produce PhD students, if you have the courage. Now you continue your hidden agenda but very soon you will face serious consequences and your US visa will be into troubled water once again. Just wait and see----.
I registered for my MRC(Path)in UK. I do not have time to reply you anymore.
Sincerely,
Dr.J.P.MD (http://dr.j.pramanik.md/)

Executive Dean / CAO
Caribbean Medical University

[rokshana]

Look what reply I got from internationally acclaimed medical educator, clinician and administrator. I just wanted to know more about his PhD. Jesus...


really? Did an administrator actually write that?? the english is horrible?? Even if english isn't your 1st language - at least have someone proof it!!

[lswiltshire]

superhumper

do you really need to take the name of the LORD Iin vain?!

[stephew]

Look what reply I got from internationally acclaimed medical educator, clinician and administrator. I just wanted to know more about his PhD. Jesus...

jeeze. quite a letter. for the love of god.

[stateofequilibrium]

To be fair, we have no way to verify if there was a letter or not.

[byteme]

The stunning lack of professionalism exhibited by the executive dean and chief academic officer makes me wonder what the rest of CMU's administration is really like. Birds of a feather...

[stateofequilibrium]

The stunning lack of professionalism exhibited by the executive dean and chief academic officer makes me wonder what the rest of CMU's administration is really like. Birds of a feather...

As I said in the post above yours, I'm really trying to be fair to CMU. The letter cannot be verified to have come from the person in question, as anyone can type whatever they want into a quotation box. So take everything posted with a grain of salt.

[byteme]

As I said in the post above yours, I'm really trying to be fair to CMU. The letter cannot be verified to have come from the person in question, as anyone can type whatever they want into a quotation box. So take everything posted with a grain of salt.

Your point is taken and it is a good one. But am I the only one who finds it interesting that the letter in question was posted 7 hours ago (as of this post) without a single response from CMU's administration? If this was my school, I would've jumped on this thread immediately to try and discredit that letter. IMHO, the more time that goes by without a peep from CMU, the worse they look, and the less believeable a "we're not going to dignify that with a response" type of response becomes.

[rlewkowski]

Do you expect us to respond to every fake letter someone posts on the forum?

[rokshana]

Do you expect us to respond to every fake letter someone posts on the forum?


well, you usually have something to say....

glad to hear that its not real....

[byteme]

Do you expect us to respond to every fake letter someone posts on the forum?

Perhaps when CMU is on par with the "Big 4" of the Caribbean, you may get away with a little negative publicity. But as a new medical school that is trying to attract students and is vulnerable to negative publicity, yes, I would've expected you to defend your school.

[rlewkowski]

We attract students with excellent environment to study, experienced teachers, reasonable tuition and good places to rotate. That’s important!!!
I won’t spend my time to respond to bashing posts containing no evidence.

[dt]

Do you expect us to respond to every fake letter someone posts on the forum?


how do you know it's a fake letter?

How would you know what emails your Executive Dean sent out?



On the other hand, how do we know it's a real letter? Perhaps the extra email header info could substantiate the source??

[rlewkowski]

Because the IT Dept. checked the server mail logs, now you can ask me how I know they checked the logs so we can continue the thread.

[rokshana]

Because the IT Dept. checked the server mail logs, now you can ask me how I know they checked the logs so we can continue the thread.

well now, to play devil's advocate, just because your IT dept's server logs don't show an email doesn't mean that it wasn't sent- could have easily been sent from a non-CMU computer- if he sent it from his house off of a commerical ISP and a general mail program, say like yahoo or gmail, then cmu's IT would have no record of it. I'm not that computer savy, but even I could figure that out!

the email header would be a good thing to post- super? got that?

[rlewkowski]

I'm not that computer savy, but even I could figure that out!

I noticed that you are not computer save since EVERY email sent from CMU's account is reflected in the mail logs.

[stephew]

we're getting pretty fed up with the way people are behaving on this forum. CMU forum is very much in danger of the No Tolerence rule which has applied previously to other schools' forums when they've become problematic with multiple tos violations. This is your last freebie: further flaming etc will result in immediate infractions which may in turn lead to banning. If you cant make your point with out flaming or insulting another person, you need to do some seriously thinking about your professionalism.

ALL users who are posting on this thread need to review it now. later today infractions will be given for violation of tos. no debating, no PMs. Not sure if youre in violation? You had better play it on the safe side.

[rlewkowski]

This is your last freebie: further flaming etc will result in immediate infractions which may in turn lead to banning. If you cant make your point with out flaming or insulting another person, you need to do some seriously thinking about your professionalism.


Who are you referring your warning to?

[stephew]

Who are you referring your warning to?
everyone posting on this forum.

[AUCMD2006]

I noticed that you are not computer save since EVERY email sent from CMU's account is reflected in the mail logs.


she wasn't referring to a commercial school account....she said what if it was sent out from home, not from campus, through the island internet provider...so they would not be on the campus server they would be on the internet service provider that provides the service to the private home


either way if it was sent out it is immature and posting it is probably just as childish there is no need for it...give smu time that is what they asked for, we all know how long paperwork takes, they could have been given estimates by imed.who and it doesn't pan out...now if the imed listing is still not there say in sept when the next semester starts when all was sent in all that is gonna happen is they will screw students for two semesters instead of one

[superhumper]

As I said in the post above yours, I'm really trying to be fair to CMU. The letter cannot be verified to have come from the person in question, as anyone can type whatever they want into a quotation box. So take everything posted with a grain of salt.

I do not know much what's written here, but may be someone understands?

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[rokshana]

I do not know much what's written here, but may be someone understands?


hmm..guess the IT dept at CMU ain't all that either...

[dt]

I do not know much what's written here, but may be someone understands?



The email was sent from cmumed.org / investgroup.com using IP address 24.15.59.250

cmumed.org is CMU.

[stephew]

posting personal information of others is NOT permitted on this site.

[superhumper]

Here is previous email from Dr. P regarding his PhD. I checked Henan;s web site, thy do not have PhD program...
PS. Let's see if RL says IT dpt does not have log for this mail....

Come on dear fraud!!!
I received one more PhD recently as an honor for my clinical and research experiences from one USA University. So, two PhD ( one from Henan University, China and other from US University) along with one MD and MBBS and fifteen years experience as medical officer ,Senior medical officer in Central Govt hospitals and twenty two years of teaching experiences from School to school to schools---will make you further mad I know.
My C.V. is getting inflated more MD.MBBS.PhD.PhD. I can not help it.
Now, I submitted my few papers for a DSc award and F.A.R.C(PATH) from a University in Australia and like to inflate my C.V little more. Any problem???
However, I know you are not a student but a fraud. Your PhD in anatomy will not entitle you to apply for USMLE Step-I.
So, you are not authorized to be a teacher for USMLE students in SJSM. You must start attending classes with MD-I students from tomorrow like Dr. Ed..and stop using false name to cheat henceforth.
Ra.. warned you once I heard and next time ---wait for the actions. Bye now.

Sincerely,


Dr.J.P.MD (http://dr.j.pramanik.md/)
Executive Dean / CAO

[2Good2BMD]

really? Did an administrator actually write that?? the english is horrible?? Even if english isn't your 1st language - at least have someone proof it!!

Proof or PROVE ?

'The pot calling the kettle back'...

[byteme]

Proof or PROVE ?

'The pot calling the kettle back'...

PROOF.

As in PROOFREAD.

Please don't interpret this as insulting or mean, but since English isn't your first language, maybe next time you could ask for clarification before talking about pots and kettles, hmm?

[2Good2BMD]

PROOF.

As in PROOFREAD.

Please don't interpret this as insulting or mean, but since English isn't your first language, maybe next time you could ask for clarification before talking about pots and kettles, hmm?

To PROVE - verb: establish the validity of something, as by an example, explanation or experiment ; prove formally; demonstrate by a mathematical, formal proof ; put to the test, as for its quality, or give experimental use to ;

To PROOF - verb: activate by mixing with water and sometimes sugar or milk ; make or take a proof of, such as a photographic negative, an etching, or typeset ; make resistant to water, sound, errors, etc. ; knead to reach proper lightness

:)

[2Good2BMD]

Please don't interpret this as insulting or mean...

:)

[byteme]

Are there no slangs in your dictionary? Do you never 'proof' what you type?

Is that why you posted the thing about the pot calling the kettle back instead of calling it black? ;)

BTW, my first post wasn't meant as insulting or mean. I was born with faulty tact genes, so if by chance you did interpret my post as mean-spirited (which does seem to be the case), then I apologize.

[byteme]

multiple entries, including:

v. proofed, proof·ing, proofs
v.tr.1. Printing a. To make a trial impression of (printed or engraved matter).
b. To proofread (copy).

[rokshana]

to clarify- i did mean PROOFREAD- proofing is an editing short hand for proofreading - so maybe a more through knowledge of colloquial English is needed (sorry - English is my 1st language, so my English isn't (as my cousin puts it) that GREish (but then that too makes passing StepII CS's English Section the easy part!!)

[2Good2BMD]

to clarify- i did mean PROOFREAD- proofing is an editing short hand for proofreading - so maybe a more through knowledge of colloquial English is needed (sorry - English is my 1st language, so my English isn't (as my cousin puts it) that GREish (but then that too makes passing StepII CS's English Section the easy part!!)

through knowledge or thorough knowledge ?

We can go on and on like this. My point is - we all do mistakes / typos, so please stop picking on others when you are not perfect yourself.

I thought that the purpose of this forum was to help each other , not to make some of us feel inferior...

[stephew]

as fascinating as the grammatical lecture is, please remain on topic and within terms of service. No expections.

[2Good2BMD]

And I am really happy for your Step 2 CS! :)
Mine was also piece of cake despite the poor command of colloquial english...
All the best :)

[rokshana]

through knowledge or thorough knowledge ?

We can go on and on like this. My point is - we all do mistakes / typos, so please stop picking on others when you are not perfect yourself.

I thought that the purpose of this forum was to help each other , not to make some of us feel inferior...

oh jeezzy peezy ( i know steph, but really!!!) - you STARTED the pickiness, for what? you were bored? and when shown you misinterpreted the info- you should have STOPPED- but no- you have to keep going on and on and on- i am not the greatest of typist and missed an "o" - big stinkin deal...

point being - (and i stay on topic:D) - an OFFICIAL of any school should not send out a letter which makes obvious that he does not have that great a command of the English language- not necessarily faulting the command of the language, but at least have someone look over it!!

[byteme]

as fascinating as the grammatical lecture is, please remain on topic and within Terms of Service (http://www.valuemd.com/disclaimer.php). No expections.

:) :) :)

[diogenes]

If I had sent a letter/email with that content - the free-flowing insults, the menacing tone and so on - I don't think I'd be too keen on anyone else seeing it - no matter how many grammatical errors it contained.
It's an angry and threatening communication, period.

[dt]

If I had sent a letter/email with that content - the free-flowing insults, the menacing tone and so on - I don't think I'd be too keen on anyone else seeing it - no matter how many grammatical errors it contained.
It's an angry and threatening communication, period.


I dont think he expected the email to be made public.

Oh well, lesson learned (I hope).

[diogenes]

I dont think he expected the email to be made public.

Oh well, lesson learned (I hope).
I'm sure he didn't. :)
Which is why having it "proofread", shared with another person, as per Rokshana's original admonition would have been the last thing he'd want to do. Nor would someone like that care about the grammar.
As for the "lesson learned". I wish I shared your optimism. I fear the only lesson that someone capable of writing that might learn is "make sure you don't get caught next time".

[AUCMD2006]

slam, where is the school response on the IP trace? IT dept should be looked at. and for the original email.. since when is a MD required to teach basic sciences? also is this an honorary doctoral degree? if so is it usual to list honorary degrees on professional credentials?

[seev99]

holla! wow, this thread has been gettin' a lot of spin mon!

anywyz the Dean a.k.a. "J P" is the most awesome teacher i have ever had...true gem in the vast field of medicine, and teaches Pathology in the most fun and cool way, complete with stories and mnemonics so it's really easy to remember...keep it poppin!


:dancepar:

[rspr41]

is this school even WHO accredited? Can you even take Step 1 coming from this school? And also what is Dr. P's full name because I'm curious who your all talking about since it says that he used to work at IAU.

[stateofequilibrium]

is this school even WHO accredited? Can you even take Step 1 coming from this school? And also what is Dr. P's full name because I'm curious who your all talking about since it says that he used to work at IAU.

You cannot post personal names on ValueMD, sorry, against the Terms of Service in regards to privacy.

As for WHO listing? Good question, as far as anyone can tell, no, it's not.

[rspr41]

Thanks for the reply

[niyeklin]

Just FYI since someone asked for this.

*Important Note* - not all medical journals are indexed by pubmed. However, pubmed will index all of the major medical journals, worldwide. It looks like 5 pubmed / medline indexed articles over the last 15 years, or on average 1 every 3 years.

I think that pubmed ONLY indexes journals with a primarily MEDICAL focus. Much of the basic chemistry & science journals are NOT indexed by pubmed.

Therefore, I believe that his CV as stated on the website is correct. It is natural to try to emphasize any strong points in the best possible way. Hyperbole? You decide. I think it's pretty common.

I do not believe that anyone has looked at whether or not professors with lots of pubmed indexed articles are better teachers. I suspect the number of articles is more closely correlated with research interest.

SEARCH TERM: P********

1: ****** . Academic medicine: who is it for? We need teachers to train teachers. BMJ. 2005 Feb 12;330(7487):361-2; discussion 363-4. No abstract available.

2: ****** . Experimental observations of transverse shear waves in strongly coupled dusty plasmas. Phys Rev Lett. 2002 Apr 29;88(17):175001. Epub 2002 Apr 16

3: ***** . Engineering polyphosphate metabolism in Escherichia coli: implications for bioremediation of inorganic contaminants. Biotechnol Bioeng. 1998 Apr 20-May 5;58(2-3):231-9.

4: ****** . Effect of Escherichia coli biomass composition on central metabolic fluxes predicted by a stoichiometric model. Biotechnol Bioeng. 1998 Oct 20;60(2):230-8.

5: ****** . A socio economic survey of self styled leprosy colony at Aska. Indian J Public Health. 1992 Jul-Sep;36(3):61-2.

[stephew]

personal names not permitted. may be reposted without names.

[diogenes]

.............................I think that pubmed ONLY indexes journals with a primarily MEDICAL focus. Much of the basic chemistry & science journals are NOT indexed by pubmed.

Therefore, I believe that his CV as stated on the website is correct. It is natural to try to emphasize any strong points in the best possible way. Hyperbole? You decide. I think it's pretty common.

I do not believe that anyone has looked at whether or not professors with lots of pubmed indexed articles are better teachers. I suspect the number of articles is more closely correlated with research interest.......................................... ..

Yes, PubMed and similar search engines have their limitations. However in the case of J.P. mentioned above, I searched 2 journals which the author of the CMU faculty web profile claimed had received "insightful articles/comments.....regularly published in the British Medical Journal and Academic Medicine"
Using those journals own search facilities I found a single short letter in the BMJ (2005) (which has been entered twice on his CMU CV) and nothing in the latter publication.
So, while it’s certainly “natural to try to emphasize any strong points in the best possible way”, in this case the problem appears to be that the points emphasized are largely non-existent!

In the academic tradition which I'm a part of and respect this is definitely unacceptable. In fact I regret using the word hyperbole in an earlier post: it's a great deal more than an exaggeration, it’s an untruth/lie/falsehood. Here in the U.K. it would earn the perpetrator a sharp reprimand, a poor reputation and some ridicule. A friend has suggested to me that this is a difference between U.K. and U.S. standards of acceptability. From my knowledge of quality U.S. universities I disagree: I believe that they too would have a similar reaction. I think it’s more likely a difference between the rump of Caribbean medical schools and more reputable institutions.

I agree that hyperbole and spin are quite common in CV’s but this is one puff of the inflater too far: the bubble’s burst.
I know this isn’t the most serious misdemeanour in the academic penal code; but it is the start of a slippery slope to much greater offences: accept this and you open the way for a steep decline in the credibility of an institution or individual.
In an earlier post on this thread Stephew pointed out --

im not entirely convinced that premeds know how to "read" cv's. In fact as a rule, im sure they aren't. some med students aren't and there are plenty of threads on VMD that attest to that.


I very much agree with that. Certainly one difficulty people are bound to have is the inflation of research credentials: redundant “me-too” projects, hitching a ride on the back of a larger authorial team by making the coffee or switching on the centrifuge a couple of times and various other means. I regret that very much. However, with the ever-increasing pressure on academics to publish or die there’s no point in my kicking against the pricks. But in this instance we’re talking about at least a degree of fabrication which is still, I believe, beyond the pale.

From previous posts though, it does look as if my position may be out of step with the majority on VMD. I suppose I just don’t like people trying to deceive me. For me, a school could have some excellent teachers and facilities but if I’ve been lied to and misled it’s a big warning sign against that school; it sours any relationship - actual or potential.
In the case of CMU the deceptions seem to have come thick and fast. We had the gross plagiarism of the SGU website; continuing uncertainties brought up by Superhumper about academic titles and abusive emails; and a school official who gives the impression of equivocating almost every time he opens his mouth (master of damage limitation he is not – I hope CMU isn’t paying his consultancy firm for his services as spin doctor).

Disclaimer
In case, as on previous occasions on this thread, someone is having a bad verbal reasoning day and accuses me of “bashing” a particular faculty member let me say that, apart from having no interest in “bashing” anyone who has done me no harm, I have already acknowledged that he might well be a great teacher. In any case the CV is written in the third person; so for the moment at least any opprobrium should fall at the feet of the administration.

[niyeklin]

I actually agree with diogenes.

If an honorary degree is to be used, it should be listed as "PhD(hon)"

Also, could not find a Dec 7th, 2004 issue of the BMJ. Using BMJ's own search engine, only 1 instance of Dr. *** came up. This is very worrisome.

There has been plenty of time to correct the CV, if they were just "typo's" they need to be corrected immediately.