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Canadaguy
05-06-2007, 01:12 PM
I know that much of this information is available in other threads, but I was always looking for updated information when I was applying, so I thought I would post before I get too busy to do so.

I'm starting the May 07 semester tomorrow and I've been on Saba for two weeks. My wife and I arrived early so that we could get our apartment set up and arrange to buy a car.

1. Impressions of the island

The island is beautiful. I have to say it is unlike any place I have been before. It is very clean, especially compared to St. Martin. My wife and I spent a couple days on St. Martin before coming over here and were very glad to leave. Junk cars and litter everywhere and huge traffic jams at least twice a day. On the other hand, St. Martin is much more Americanized, so I guess it depends what you're looking for...

2. Recreation

I've had a chance to hike on some of the most challenging trails and do some of the best snorkeling that I've ever done here. There is a nice little beach. Apparently it is present/absent depending on the weather/waves. It has been present both times we have gone and is a perfect place to relax and have a swim when not in school.

There is a gym in Windwardside for those that like to lift weights. It is $100 per semester. The equipment is old and rusty, but I find that I'm able to do most of the workout that I did at home. The school also has a gym for $50 per semester. A maximum of 6 people are allowed in the school gym at a time, which other students say can be a problem during lunch breaks. I think it is the place to go if you are interested in cardio compared to weights.

3. Food

I have yet to come across anything that we regularly eat that we could not get at the grocery stores here. From pop tarts to tropicana orange juice, it's all available. However, food is very expensive. I should have been prepared from reading these forums, but I was still shocked. Some items have similar prices compared to home, but I would estimate that 1/2 to 3/4 of the products on our list are 1.5 to 2 times more than home prices. The word is that Big Rock in Windwardside is the cheapest. I think My Store in The Bottom has the most selection. Corner Imports in Windwardside seems to have the cheapest bottled water.

4. The School

The school looks exactly as it appears in the pictures on the website. It seems to be very well maintained. I noticed that they were doing a thorough cleaning job and were painting some areas before the beginning of the semester. The library is nice and has a bunch of cubicles for students to study. There are also a bunch of computers for student use, although most students probably use the wireless internet with their laptops.

I had a look in the anatomy lab (through the windows, because the school is closed for the break). It looked well equipped with plenty of space. Of course, it reeked of formaldehyde.

I met some of the people in Administration. They seemed extremely nice and capable. They were actually happy to meet a new student! During my undergraduate degree I don't ever remember a person at the Registrar's Office or Cashier's Office at my university being happy to see me.

5. Students

I've met a bunch of different students from 2nd to 5th semester. All of them have very positive things about the school, and all of them were willing to go out of their way to help with notes, advice, etc. The word is that there is a huge amount of information that students are expected to learn and that spare time is nonexistent during the semester... Especially if you want to get good marks in your classes.

6. Transportation

Having seen the layout of the island now, I think that it is probably easy to live without a car for first semester if you are living in The Bottom at the dorms.

However, it can be a different story if you are living further away from the school. I can't imagine trying to do groceries without a car, as there or no grocery stores in Hell's Gate (where we live). In addition, my place doesn't have laundry facilities, so I have to bring bags of laundry to The Bottom (only laundromat is there) to get it washed. Even to go to the beach or hiking... it would get really expensive to take a cab everywhere. We tried to get an apartment closer to school, however most places would not accept pets, and we brought our two cats with us. I also think that Hell's Gate is one of the nicest places on the island (ocean views).

I do know some first semesters who want a car but have not been able to find a suitable vehicle on the island. I bought one from a 5th semester who has now left the island. I was really worried about a school parking pass, but the car came with a pass for first semester and I was able to buy one for the next year already at administration.

7. Work for significant others

I was originally told that it was almost impossible for a spouse to find work on the island. I don't think that is entirely true, however, I don't think you can expect a full time job that pays well. Some of the restaurants were hiring recently, and the school library was also hiring. I believe these were all part time jobs. My wife got a part time job at the school library. This will give us a little extra money and it will give her something to do. If you are coming to the island with children your significant other might be too busy to work anyway...

8. Water issues

Most people make a big deal about the water issues. I think it really depends on where you are living. You do have to be careful with the amount of water you use; however, I still take a quick shower every day. It hasn't really impacted my quality of life at all. Maybe some other students could comment on this?


I really haven't seen any negative things about the school or the island in the first two weeks. However, it is obviously a big deal to leave your family and friends back at home and move to a Caribbean island for two years. I find it helps to have Skype set up on your computer with a webcam. We have the 80 dollar per month internet package and it seems to work OK with video.

I hope this information is helpful to future students. I'll try to update when I actually know something about the classes, but from what I hear, I might be too busy!

tpw2k
05-06-2007, 02:56 PM
awesome stuff, look forward to going in september

speed2007
05-06-2007, 05:19 PM
thanks alot for that detailed impression of saba. its good to know this before coming on to the island.

PS: Canadaguy, which other stuff would you recommend new students to bring on the island that you yourself didn't bring but wished that you had. Is there anything in specific we should bring?? thanx

Canadaguy
05-06-2007, 07:37 PM
OK, just found out one bad thing about the island. The men here are very aggressive towards women. My wife and I went to a local restaurant/hotel in Windwardside with a friend and his wife today. Some of the wonderful patrons grabbed my friend's wife by the arm when her husband was standing right beside her! Then they started making lewd comments about her body. I had heard this type of problem from a second semester female student who told us that my wife should be very careful about being friendly to local men (e.g. even saying hi is not a good idea). Something like this would cause a fist fight in Canada, but what are you going to do about it here?

In other words, the men are very forward here. I know it is like that in many other places in the world, and probably in many other Caribbean islands. So, just to balance my good comments with some bad...

As for what to bring.... I would just say that you should pack anything you can't live without. ******* Free shipping is not that expensive and I had a good experience with them. It was more expensive for me to ship my stuff from Canada to Florida via Fedex then to get it from Florida to Saba with ******* Free. That being said, most everything is available here so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

sabaspouse2006
05-07-2007, 04:57 PM
Wow Canada Guy, sorry that happened to your friend's wife. Most of the other wives I've spoke to haven't had that happen even after months on the island. I hope that it was an isolated incident. Sometimes I think that it is a Caribbean male mentality because I've seen it on St. Maarten alot.

I haven't seen it here so much (although that doesn't mean it doesn't happen) and I've haven't heard about it either. Every day and every night I feel very safe with my children here.

Again, so sorry that happened.

R/

Canadaguy
05-08-2007, 05:24 PM
Apparently the restaurant/bar we went to in Windwardside is notorious for locals that act inappropriately. Seems that if you stay away from that place you can cut down your chances of being in a situation like I described. I don't want to mention the name of the bar, but it seems to be a well-known fact with other students...

wolfvgang22
05-09-2007, 02:22 PM
Fantastic post, Canadaguy! I just left the island in December, and I can vouch for the truth of everything you posted - well said!
We even remember the restaurant/bar you're talking about, lol.
Overall Saba was a good experience, though it does get a little claustrophobic after 5 semesters. Caught any lobster yet? :)

Saba23
05-16-2007, 12:30 AM
It's fricken alcatraz when you're there.
It's a tropical paradise when you've left.

Great island to focus on studying and work hard if you're a gunner. You're classmates are gonna determine how much fun you have there, and there's always cool people with similar interests even if some of them are not in your semester.

Very safe.

Expensive milk.

playarf
05-17-2007, 11:17 PM
^change 'expensive milk' to 'no milk'. and 'no bread'.

pffft. UHT milk pfft.

JeebusLives
05-18-2007, 01:24 AM
uht 4 life sun. ima buy that stuff when i got back home. lolz!

Tellingitlikeitis
05-23-2007, 05:49 PM
I would watch out if I were you for the locals. Although the majority of them of them are content with quietly overcharging you for everything under the sun, there have been rapes and assalts on the island. The school here loves to brush these tings as fast as they can under the rug, as its bad press. For the most part, guys are ok, but women here are not safe. I know of students, who have been surrounded, in broad daylight by a group of beer drinking locals, who started trying to grope her. DO you think that the police are going to help you here? You are just as likely to be abused by them as by any of the other locals. The police right now on Saba are currently under investigation for coruption, intimidation, you name it they do it. Here is no court here, so they are the court.
So be careful on SABA.

golfman
05-23-2007, 07:53 PM
I think you should be careful stereotyping all locals as this way. As in every place in the world, there are creeps. I am not sure why anyone would think that Saba would be any different. As a IMG I would think that you more than anyone else would not like the stereotyping that goes on as an IMG. I have met many locals who are more than helpful. Many of them treat my wife with the most respect. To put all locals into this category is irresponsible and ill-advised.

Tellingitlikeitis
05-23-2007, 08:04 PM
I have seen many of the wives in SOS, and I can see why the locals leave them alone

JeebusLives
05-23-2007, 08:46 PM
I think you should be careful stereotyping all locals as this way. As in every place in the world, there are creeps. I am not sure why anyone would think that Saba would be any different. As a IMG I would think that you more than anyone else would not like the stereotyping that goes on as an IMG. I have met many locals who are more than helpful. Many of them treat my wife with the most respect. To put all locals into this category is irresponsible and ill-advised.

wow did you even read the previous post. the poster made a point to say that most locals are content with overcharging. so the poster obviously isnt stereotyping every local. just warning about a few.

and i dont know about you but i think theres a world of difference between an international medical graduate and a sexual assailant.

KarmaInsight
05-23-2007, 09:27 PM
I have seen many of the wives in SOS, and I can see why the locals leave them alone

Hey but I love their bake sales.:D

warmfront
06-02-2007, 07:46 PM
I wasn't on the island that long, but I didn't see much of a problem for women. Women just have to be smart and careful like any place in this world. In fact, I would say Saba is better than most places.

bigkap87
06-02-2007, 08:06 PM
I wasn't on the island that long, but I didn't see much of a problem for women. Women just have to be smart and careful like any place in this world. In fact, I would say Saba is better than most places.

I agree... especially since half the female students hitchhike at night and have no problems.

Reactant
06-23-2007, 09:09 PM
I am very concerned about the cereal selection at the island. Dumb question i know, but its something thats very important to me.

JLea
06-23-2007, 11:37 PM
I am very concerned about the cereal selection at the island. Dumb question i know, but its something thats very important to me.

You can get just about anything in St. Maarten. Go over once a semester and stock up!

JeebusLives
06-24-2007, 11:08 AM
the cereal sections isnt bad, from what i can see theyve got everything from pure sugar to pure fiber. lolz!

rdecastro
06-24-2007, 01:03 PM
I am very concerned about the cereal selection at the island. Dumb question i know, but its something thats very important to me.


Wow.

If it's that important, by all means, don't come to a Caribbean school, and go to that school in N. America that has accepted you.

Whats more important? Becoming a physician, or eating your fruit loops mixed with Count Chockula?

You're going to have to learn to adapt to many more differences than breakfast cereals to become a physician. Here's a good place to start.

JLea
06-24-2007, 02:13 PM
Wow.

If it's that important, by all means, don't come to a Caribbean school, and go to that school in N. America that has accepted you.

Whats more important? Becoming a physician, or eating your fruit loops mixed with Count Chockula?

You're going to have to learn to adapt to many more differences than breakfast cereals to become a physician. Here's a good place to start.


:rolleyes: Whoa, you're starting to sound "Experienced!"

Reactant
06-24-2007, 03:52 PM
Wow.

If it's that important, by all means, don't come to a Caribbean school, and go to that school in N. America that has accepted you.

Whats more important? Becoming a physician, or eating your fruit loops mixed with Count Chockula?

You're going to have to learn to adapt to many more differences than breakfast cereals to become a physician. Here's a good place to start.

Thank you very much for your concern. Currently I live in residence (thats our Canadian term for dorm), and if you come by my place you'll find a 11 different cereal box selections. Just for the record though, I am very open minded and not a picky eater.

I've been known to eat stale bread with juice or eat a cold bagel with water. Cereal is my one treat in the morning, it has to be something different everyday.

Just curious: They wouldnt have a cereal called Optimum ? Its a 100%organic cereal that is one of my favourites with blue berries, lots of nutrients and 10g of fiber. :plol.

Experienced
06-24-2007, 04:20 PM
:rolleyes: Whoa, you're starting to sound "Experienced!"

Hey!

But true, no?

E.

Boulderunner
06-24-2007, 09:39 PM
I imagine youve been to big rock and have seen their cereal selection? I was actually pretty impressed with the variety of "hippified" cereals that I could get back home at places like Whole Foods and other organic food coops. Not sure if they have optimum but if you havent been there I would check..

darkmansaad
06-24-2007, 09:47 PM
rd may tell u that cereal is a worthy sacrifice for medicine but try to take away his hawaiian shirt selection and he'll be singing a different tune

Reactant
06-24-2007, 10:50 PM
Thanks for the advice. I can live without optimum though, though i'd ask anyway. I know I'll pack a box before i leave to the island. I can imagine myself using it sparsely.


and by the way everybody...did you know that we have formaldehyde in our bodies so its ok to drink formaldehyde!!!

No. Had no idea. BTW everybody, did you know..There are more TV sets in the US than there are people in the UK.

Oh, since we're on the subject of food: I'm a vegetarian (not really, I eat fish and egg) Would it be possible to maintain a ‘veggie diet’ on the island? Are fruits and vegetables easily assessable?

JeebusLives
06-25-2007, 09:11 AM
a mango just fell on my head on the way to class today so i suppose so.

Reactant
06-25-2007, 09:51 PM
a mango just fell on my head on the way to class today so i suppose so.

Mango?!
Count me in.

morefunmd
06-25-2007, 10:39 PM
Mango?!
Count me in.

he said just mango-not 11 types of mango:p

Reactant
06-26-2007, 09:58 PM
he said just mango-not 11 types of mango

Correct me if I'm wrong. But a mango, IS a mango.
Having said that:
I have a dream, that mangoes will rain from the heavens on the heads of fortunate Saba Students:rolleyes:. Yah....:p

rokshana
06-26-2007, 10:45 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong. But a mango, IS a mango.
Having said that:
I have a dream, that mangoes will rain from the heavens on the heads of fortunate Saba Students:rolleyes:. Yah....:p

ahh, not true!! a mango is a mango is a mango is not true

Mango (http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/mango_ars.html)

Reactant
06-27-2007, 12:39 AM
ahh, not true!! a mango is a mango is a mango is not true

Mango (http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/mango_ars.html)


Aww common !
Yes it is true, a mango IS a mango, IS a mango!

Now i understand there are varieties of mangoes (they also taste different by colour, taste and jucieyness). But having a mango fall on your head is just super cool okay?! U cant have that happen in Canada.

Are there fruits in the hiking trails? I saw pictures of banana trees in Saba :p.

MDXRS22
06-27-2007, 04:25 AM
Making me hungry so early

Bruce
06-27-2007, 04:50 PM
"But having a mango fall on your head is just super cool okay?! U cant have that happen in Canada. "

The only thing that falls on our heads up here is "Bird poop" (edited for terrible profanity)lol,lol....:shock: darn(also edited for profanity) pidgeons, "rats with wings"............:roll:

gianefiasco
06-27-2007, 11:46 PM
Went to Queens Gardens the other day and the mangos were falling like crazy, had to actually run for cover..... I dont know what the point of this story was other then to say beware the falling delicious delicious mangos!:roll: