future

[alsharpton]

how does the future for Caribbean MD's look? Theres alot of new DO and MD programs opening up in the states.

[RussianJoo]

well than it looks pretty bad.. hurry up and graduate, and start your residency program while we can still get competitive residency programs.

[Doc4Pets]

how does the future for Caribbean MD's look? Theres alot of new DO and MD programs opening up in the states.

I think there is a HUGE push for DO schools but not so much for MD programs. But either way, the residency seats will be harder and harder to come by.

[liqu0rleadstocha0s]

it looks bad...we all might have to go to australia...just ask georgemd2b

[RussianJoo]

Krikey!! Lets put some shrimp on the Barbie!

[alsharpton]

sarcasm????

[RussianJoo]

I am practicing for when I am going to have to move to Ausie cause of residency placement.

[alsharpton]

russias no good enough for you

[meeza]

how does the future for Caribbean MD's look? Theres alot of new DO and MD programs opening up in the states.

This has been a question that has been bothering me for a while. One of the many questions that has led me to a road block of a decision :(

[rokshana]

are they starting this year?? then guess what- they won't be applying for residency the same year you are.

if there IS an increase in MD spots in the US, then thats great - all those people who wouldn't get off the waitlists in the US, will now get aspot in the US and NOT have to go to the caribbean to go to school.

[McGillGrad]

Two words:

BABY BOOMERS

Don't worry, Be Happy...

[jameslynton]

and a few more words - "no state funds" to expand US state medical schools.
MCG in Georgia got no more funds than they had last year or the year before....

[McGillGrad]

and a few more words - "no state funds" to expand US state medical schools.
MCG in Georgia got no more funds than they had last year or the year before....


It does cost a lot to create medical schools and since they are non-profit (by law) it is difficult to get the capital.

[RussianJoo]

even the private ones are non profit?

[jameslynton]

It does cost a lot to create medical schools and since they are non-profit (by law) it is difficult to get the capital.State schools are run by the state and thus non profit. Georgia is currently having a bit of a budget crisis. We have as is normal for Georgia dim wits running thing with nit wits make the policy guided by the hand of conservative golden voiced radio jocks who appear to have their heads full of sea shells from the sea shore. For them a water shortage is when the brand name water truck breaks down and does not get to Dunwoody or Buckhead. They have no concept of aging baby boomer, supply and demand and what is real. If they were not so conservative - I would think they were into some new type of LSD for the crazy LSD dreams they have daily. The Georgia public is distracted by American Idol and none of the local radio or TY channels wants to report anything that would appear to be critical of the law makers the University board of regents and lastly the Governor as they may get a law suit for telling the truth. So the TV stations have incredible weather and traffic reporting and sports reporting still gets the shaft. If they had more than a 3 second shot of Mike Vic - talking people would demand he be sent back to school which would refect poorly on the University board of regents. Personally, I would like to see him banned from the NFL because he failed thug 101 and maybe considered a Ross student by people less knowledgeable....oh yea and to keep this on topic. In the long run you will find a residency in the US

[McGillGrad]

even the private ones are non profit?

Yes, non-profit.

Otherwise they would be run like Ross.

[Doc4Pets]

State schools are run by the state and thus non profit. Georgia is currently having a bit of a budget crisis. We have as is normal for Georgia dim wits running thing with nit wits make the policy guided by the hand of conservative golden voiced radio jocks who appear to have their heads full of sea shells from the sea shore.

Isn't Sean Hannity originally from GA?

For them a water shortage is when the brand name water truck breaks down and does not get to Dunwoody or Buckhead. They have no concept of aging baby boomer, supply and demand and what is real. If they were not so conservative - I would think they were into some new type of LSD for the crazy LSD dreams they have daily. The Georgia public is distracted by American Idol and none of the local radio or TY channels wants to report anything that would appear to be critical of the law makers the University board of regents and lastly the Governor as they may get a law suit for telling the truth. So the TV stations have incredible weather and traffic reporting and sports reporting still gets the shaft.

I know how you feel. Coming from socali, our local news is like this:

Intro: good evening everyone, my name is Bree Sunshine, and we have breaking news to report; paris hilton is walking out of her house and is about to get her last herpes treatment before she heads off to jail for driving on a suspended license. Now, lets go to 6 of our 7 top reporters out covering her in beverly hills.

Next 10 mins: Random crime updates in south LA, Story about the latest $150 jeans that are in style this week, A new exercise diet craze, some news about the upcoming sitcom schedule....

Commercials for like 7 mins.

Then 1.4 mins on the "little" situation we have in iraq.

Then an expansive weather report featuring the great "Weather doppler transhumidifier 6000". The five day forcast in so cali: 78 degrees with slight morning fog along the coasts for ALL five days. But we still need to check the barometric pressure, humidity, earth axis tilt, test the big bang theory.

Then the sports followed by a cute animal story. The end. We DON'T have state political news. And even our governator doesn't like going to sacramento to do some governating.

If they had more than a 3 second shot of Mike Vic - talking people would demand he be sent back to school which would refect poorly on the University board of regents. Personally, I would like to see him banned from the NFL because he failed thug 101 and maybe considered a Ross student by people less knowledgeable....

Vick is a novelty act that has run it course. He needs to be benched or have him change position to RB or WR because it just isn't working.

oh yea and to keep this on topic. In the long run you will find a residency in the US

I have read about the expansion of the DO schools and the rather stagnant state of the MD programs and think spots will get harder to come by in the future. DO's mean business and from the fight they won in California against the MD's, I can assure you that they will be problematic for IMG's.


My comments are in bold. Like a dress on prom night, I'm off.

[alex_shimp]

Is there really an increase in US M.D. spots this year?

I know there are a few more DO schools, but I doubt that this will have a significant impact on IMG residency placement...

[meeza]

Is there really an increase in US M.D. spots this year?

I know there are a few more DO schools, but I doubt that this will have a significant impact on IMG residency placement...

U.S. Medical School Enrollment Projected to Increase by 17 Percent

For Immediate Release

Press Release

Contact: ***** *****
***-***-****
*****@aamc.org


Read the Report on Medical School Expansion Plans (http://www.aamc.org/workforce/2006medschoolexpansion.pdf)
(PDF, 10 pages)
Washington, D.C., February 12, 2007 - First-year enrollment in U.S. medical schools is projected to increase 17 percent by 2012 to nearly 19,300 students, according to an annual survey of medical school expansion plans released today by the AAMC (Association of American Medical Colleges).
"The need for more doctors is real and will become more urgent as our population grows and ages," said AAMC President Darrell G. Kirch, M.D. "This increase is a significant step in the right direction, and we are pleased that 71 U.S. medical schools plan to expand their class sizes over the next five years. But clearly, we must find additional ways to stimulate more growth in medical school capacity so that we have enough doctors to care for our nation in the coming decades."
The estimated expansion would move U.S. medical schools to the halfway point of a 30 percent enrollment increase recommended by the AAMC last year. However, the report notes that many of these planned increases depend upon state support or other outside funding sources.
The AAMC Center for Workforce Studies conducted the survey of the 125 U.S. medical school deans in the fall of 2006 to track trends in medical school enrollment over the next five years. A total of 121 schools completed the survey. The information provided by the schools was compared to the baseline academic year of 2002-2003, when first-year enrollment totaled 16,448 students.
Survey results indicated that total first-year enrollment in existing U.S. medical schools is projected to increase by 2,558 students (15.5 percent) by 2012. Public institutions would supply 1,880 of these new enrollment slots (73 percent), and 678 would come from private institutions (26 percent). Projected enrollment for new medical schools accounts for an additional 1.5 percent of the expansion. While it is not possible to know the exact number of new schools that will open in the next five years, the AAMC report estimates that five new medical schools would enroll 250 more students by 2012, for an additional 1.5 percent.
According to the survey, existing U.S. medical schools that are expanding will do so through a variety of mechanisms, including new clinical affiliations (68 percent), expansion of existing campuses (50 percent), and new regional/branch campuses (22 percent).
The key barriers to expansion identified by the survey included:
Available scholarships - 49 percent
Classroom space - 44 percent
Ambulatory preceptors - 44 percent
Costs - 41 percentThe annual survey of U.S. medical schools is conducted by the AAMC Center for Workforce Studies as part of the association's ongoing effort to monitor and analyze physician supply and demand, as well as to identify strategies to retain doctors in the workforce and make more effective use of practicing physicians. These goals and others will be discussed at the upcoming AAMC Physician Workforce Research Conference, May 2-4 in Washington, D.C.

[jameslynton]

U.S. Medical School Enrollment Projected to Increase by 17 Percent

.... These goals and others will be discussed at the upcoming AAMC Physician Workforce Research Conference, May 2-4 in Washington, D.C.Hey Meeza nice post - Here are the key word of government speak - Goals - Projected. Now if they said budgeted - then something maybe be happen. Next this is released by the "AAMC" - if was by the NIH, or CDC or the General office of the budget. Then it would be powerful statement. If it was the AMA - that would be the kiss of death to any increase. As that they have done almost all in their power to stop US school expansions.

This is just a press release by an organization that in political reality in the US has the no power, no base of support (voters) and no money. In the US outside of the corporations, the NRA and AARP have some power. Now the NRA circulates a thing about how Doctors kill more people ever year than guns. and the AARP is over their head in just attempting to keep social security from being cut to ribbons. I would not hold my breath waiting for these people to add positions - US Doctors have this myth that if they increase the number of Doctors - well they want earn as much. If the medical insurance companies decided we need more MD's well it would happen pretty quick. They are the real power brokers here. What they want and have passed laws to get is Nurse Practitioners to write prescriptions. So they can pay less to the Family Practices.

[jameslynton]

Is there really an increase in US M.D. spots this year?

I know there are a few more DO schools, but I doubt that this will have a significant impact on IMG residency placement...I doubt there will be any impact until say 2020 - that is when it will be to late. Ga had one DO school open up. It is years away from producing DO's in any great numbers to hurt the larger Island schools (SGU or Ross).

[teratos]

In Maryland, with many of the insurance companies, if nurse practitioners are solo, or unsupervised they get something like 75% of what they reimburse a doc. If they are supervised by a doc (i.e. there is a M.D. in the office when they are there) they get 100% of what a doc gets. We have NPs in our practice. They do a great job, and don't really save the insurance co's money. G

[alex_shimp]

Survey results indicated that total first-year enrollment in existing U.S. medical schools is projected to increase by 2,558 students (15.5 percent) by 2012.


2012... so they will graduate in 2017.. thats 10 more years from today...

and like others have said, this is just projected values.... does not mean it going to happen. What I was wondering is weather or not there was an increase in MD spots as of THIS or NEXT year, because then I and others who are enrolling this year, wopuld have to compete with them...

Also a 17% increase by 2012 may not be enought given that by that time many of the baby-boomers will retired, including many physicians.. which may cause a shortage.. (not sure if that is true, because I do not have any numbers, so that is just a speculation)..

[jameslynton]

I know of many baby boomer MD's that have already retired.

[KingOfTheJunglee]

I think the fact that US MD and DO programs are expanding can be either good or slightly bad for you, depending on what you're planning on doing. The folks at the American College of Physicians wrote an article (http://www.acponline.org/hpp/statehc06_1.pdf) in January '06 about the impending physician shortage that 1 or 2 people on this thread have alluded to already. And I'm pretty sure I've seen a couple NEJM and JAMA articles since then saying much the same. Fact is, no matter how much the Big Cheese of Med School Admissions decides to expand US MD/DO programs (I like to picture some dude from the AMA sittin on a throne somewhere holding a scepter and keepin Medical Class sizes artificially small), there will still probably be an ever increasing need for FMGs to join the primary care ranks (which is good if you wanna do IM, FP, Peds...)

Of course if you want a competitive specialty/subspecialty, you may find yourself dealing with overwhelming odds against a sea of applicants vying for a limited number of residency/fellowship spots-- made worse by this 'projected' increase in class sizes. But then how would that be much different from the way it already is?