Breakig News: It's official St.Vinncent Campus is Closed!

[RussianJoo]

Chancellor ****** has sent an e-mail to the 4th termers saying that since there is lack of interest in going to SVG next term he'll have to move classes to GND, in order not to compromise the education of students in SVG, by not having the live lectures in svg. As for the future terms I don't see how they will be able to reopen KMC since it's obvious when given a choice students will pick staying in GND over going to SVG.

[FFMG]

hey i thought they were still sending up students in batches of 50 or so for hospital rotations or has this been scrapped also? so is the campus fully shutting down?

[RussianJoo]

i think it's still an option for those that want to go for 2 weeks to svg to do clinical rotations. but all live lectures and i guess most of the clinical stuff will be held here in gnd. not sure if the campus is shutting down or what.

[jaywalk81]

i guess for those that were planning to go to st vincent, we all need to start to look for housing and purchase our flight tickets. i cant see how sgu will have room for 350 students for lectures. the flight situation may get messy now with more than expected students returning to gnd and leaving in december. i wont be suprised if i cant find any tickets. this is going to be fun

[RussianJoo]

yep.. although the school is willing to help. I heard there are still some round house apts left..

[jaywalk81]

its just the timing of this stinks. basically 2 weeks before path exam, micro final, and the acs stuff. who really has the time to go apt shopping now.

[RussianJoo]

exactly. i am going to wait till after exams. getting an A on the second exam is more important to me than finding a place to live next term.


Another thing are the start and end dates of the GND 5th/6th term the same as the ones for the SVG term were going to be? Cause it wouldn't surprise me if they were slightly different.

[smileyj]

although many 4th termers have decided to stay in grenada, I wouldn't jump to conclusions and say that St. Vincent is closed. In the meeting that Dr. ****** had with student's almost 2 weeks ago he explicitly said that 4th termers could choose where they wanted to go and that depending on how next semester went he may extend that to current 3rd termers as well. He gave no guarantees to current 2nd or 1st termers that they would be able to choose in the future. He also stated that the St. Vincent campus will remain open independent of any students going there because he was continuing to maintain the full staff, as he put it "at a great cost to the institution" (he couldn't justify laying off the 50-60 people that work in St. Vincent).

He also stated in that same meeting that depending on the numbers, classes could very well be taught here and streamed back to St. Vincent and vice versa.

I guess we all have to wait and see how everything works out in this semester coming up before any final decisions are made.

[jaywalk81]

although many 4th termers have decided to stay in grenada, I wouldn't jump to conclusions and say that St. Vincent is closed. In the meeting that Dr. ****** had with student's almost 2 weeks ago he explicitly said that 4th termers could choose where they wanted to go and that depending on how next semester went he may extend that to current 3rd termers as well. He gave no guarantees to current 2nd or 1st termers that they would be able to choose in the future. He also stated that the St. Vincent campus will remain open independent of any students going there because he was continuing to maintain the full staff, as he put it "at a great cost to the institution" (he couldn't justify laying off the 50-60 people that work in St. Vincent).

He also stated in that same meeting that depending on the numbers, classes could very well be taught here and streamed back to St. Vincent and vice versa.

I guess we all have to wait and see how everything works out in this semester coming up before any final decisions are made.
i think the decision has been made. read sgu talk. th 4th termers have been getting emails frm the chancellor, so im not sure if the 1st and 2nd termers have also been CC to emails. but everything can basically be found on SGU TALK. altho st vincent is "closed" no classes will be held there this august. all live lectures will be done in GND and everybody will be in GND for 5/6 term. there is absolutely no point of going to st vincent if there will be no lectures there.

[stephew]

please document the source of this information. and remember no names folks.

[jaywalk81]

anyone who has access to SGU TALK can read it under "chancellor's corner" starting at page 4

[RussianJoo]

although many 4th termers have decided to stay in grenada, I wouldn't jump to conclusions and say that St. Vincent is closed. In the meeting that Dr. ****** had with student's almost 2 weeks ago he explicitly said that 4th termers could choose where they wanted to go and that depending on how next semester went he may extend that to current 3rd termers as well. He gave no guarantees to current 2nd or 1st termers that they would be able to choose in the future. He also stated that the St. Vincent campus will remain open independent of any students going there because he was continuing to maintain the full staff, as he put it "at a great cost to the institution" (he couldn't justify laying off the 50-60 people that work in St. Vincent).
He also stated in that same meeting that depending on the numbers, classes could very well be taught here and streamed back to St. Vincent and vice versa.

I guess we all have to wait and see how everything works out in this semester coming up before any final decisions are made.

I am assuming you're not a 4th termer thus you haven't been getting the e-mails from the Chancellor. but in them he specifically states that next term there will be no students going to SVG. All live lectures will be held in GND, the only thing that's not 100% certain is that we might be allowed to go to SVG for 2 weeks to do clinical rotation at that hospital. As for the other terms, i don't think even the chancellor himself knows what will happen. But for the current 4th termers SVG is 100% closed, and is no longer an option. Just because you yourself don't know don't assume that people are jumping to conclusions.

[stephew]

play nice children. im way to busy to hand out nice pm's reminding people to keep in tos. its just infract away,.

[smileyj]

jaywalk and russianjoo....

i'm not debating the fact that all current 4th term students will be staying here next year (i have been reading sgu talk)....what i was saying is that other terms may still be going to st. vincent.....as i said, Dr. M said he was not looking to close the campus at St. Vincent and he was hoping that in the future we could continue to send students there....so for next term you both are absolutely correct in saying that there will be no med students in st. vincent....however, current 1st, 2nd, and 3rd students may not have the same choices so the campus is not officially closed. and as i said, for future classes we can't make any final decisions until the current 4th termers finish 5th and 6th term here in grenada (that is what i meant by my last line)

[jaywalk81]

yea i think thats the best to say as of now. there will be no svg option for the current 4th term class. as for other terms, no idea

[RussianJoo]

When I said the campus was officially closed I meant for next term, i guess i should have made it more clear. My apologizes.

But you got to admit it's going to be hard for the school to reopen SVG, they will have invested a lot of time and money in setting up clinical spots for us in GND, and once that program is up and running i don't see anyone wanting to go to SVG if they can just as easily stay in GND for 5th/6th terms. My guess is that the school will have to force students to go to SVG, because as our class has demonstrated moving to SVG for one semester is simply a huge pain with very little advantages.

[rokshana]

When I said the campus was officially closed I meant for next term, i guess i should have made it more clear. My apologizes.

But you got to admit it's going to be hard for the school to reopen SVG, they will have invested a lot of time and money in setting up clinical spots for us in GND, and once that program is up and running i don't see anyone wanting to go to SVG if they can just as easily stay in GND for 5th/6th terms. My guess is that the school will have to force students to go to SVG, because as our class has demonstrated moving to SVG for one semester is simply a huge pain with very little advantages.

i think that it will only be for one term, at most two. In the time that the svg campus in closed, the school can accomplish a number of things- one show svg that the school could somewhat easily pull out of st vincent and demonstrate how much we impact their economy, two make provisions for addtional housing on campus - its possible and with no students could be done a little faster (maybe:D ), and three with no students ther for a while there would be no crime against the students and if this period is just a cycle up in crime, it may have passed by the time students go back.

And, really, we don't weild THAT much power, yes the school is accomodating the concerns of the students during a crisis situation, but if the school said 5/6th terms are held in SVG and you can't move onto clinicals without it, what would you do? Some may choose not to go- transfer to another school, but incoming classes won't have 1st hand knowledge and the memory will fade and classes will resume in Vinnies.

[Doc4Pets]

And, really, we don't weild THAT much power, yes the school is accomodating the concerns of the students during a crisis situation, but if the school said 5/6th terms are held in SVG and you can't move onto clinicals without it, what would you do? Some may choose not to go- transfer to another school, but incoming classes won't have 1st hand knowledge and the memory will fade and classes will resume in Vinnies.

Your clairvoyance might materialize IF and only if crime is essentially eliminated. I'm not saying SVG has to be a virtual commune but violent crimes and assaults against student would have to end completely before students will be required to complete courses at SVG.

However, if SVG is shelved for a year or two, and they get some funding for the hospital in St. George's, it will be hard to even consider SVG as an option. Overall, grenadians benefit from having a medical school invested in their anemic health care system. It might be difficult to retrofit a third world hospital for first world medicine but just look at SGU. SGU is probably THE most advanced business/area on the entire island and the building boom seems to progress at a break-neck pace.

I think it will be worth it for SGU to keep their students here in GND both academically and financially. Just from the outside, the new vet building looks like it will be equipped nicely as I can see some surgery suites going up with some nice technology. That is a surgical teaching building going up right in the heart of the campus! If they can get funding for the new vet school, then they certainly should be able to develop the local hospital for a well established med school.

*Impatiently waiting for the Lakers game!:shock:

[Never Mind the Bollocks]

...It might be difficult to retrofit a third world hospital for first world medicine...

It isn't necessary to do so. From what I understand, the 5th/6th term clinical stuff is very basic. Apart from the radiology aspect (which I seem to remember Steph praising highly), the SVG hospital experience is one of history taking, physical exams, phlebotomy (maybe), and the like. I imagine Grenada General would be able to provide for these basic needs. Either way, I wouldn't mind a 2 week Vinnies vacation.

[Doc4Pets]

It isn't necessary to do so. From what I understand, the 5th/6th term clinical stuff is very basic. Apart from the radiology aspect (which I seem to remember Steph praising highly), the SVG hospital experience is one of history taking, physical exams, phlebotomy (maybe), and the like. I imagine Grenada General would be able to provide for these basic needs. Either way, I wouldn't mind a 2 week Vinnies vacation.

I see... then in that case I think the shelving of SVG may very well be permanent. Also, I think the closing of SVG just about secured another superdorm to be built along with the current construction.

[jaywalk81]

they need more room on this campus. i say sgu should rent a cruise ship and docked it by the marine sci bldg and use that as the "dorm" for the fall 2007 5/6th termers

[Doc4Pets]

they need more room on this campus. i say sgu should rent a cruise ship and docked it by the marine sci bldg and use that as the "dorm" for the fall 2007 5/6th termers

Jay, you know how that went for the katrina victimw...;)

[cavalletti]

they need more room on this campus. i say sgu should rent a cruise ship and docked it by the marine sci bldg and use that as the "dorm" for the fall 2007 5/6th termers

What a great idea. Although the shoreline around campus looks a little too rugged in the photos.

[RussianJoo]

Or they can rent out Grand Beach hotel or any other hotel like they did for the term after ivan. That was a pretty nice location even though the rooms were exactly the same size as Grand Anse rooms.

[Doc4Pets]

Or they can rent out Grand Beach hotel or any other hotel like they did for the term after ivan. That was a pretty nice location even though the rooms were exactly the same size as Grand Anse rooms.

Have you noticed that basically all of the hotels around grand anse are pretty much run down and probably the least luxury you can get. Coming from so cali, I found that grenadian "luxury" i a lot different than what I'm used to. I'll pay luxury prices to stay in a true "luxury" hotel not the rather dilapidated coyaba.

[RussianJoo]

the spice isle resort located at the end of the strip looks really nice. and i heard their restaurant is good too.

[jaywalk81]

you think they will have an 18 week special rate package?

[platinumxx80]

Have you noticed that basically all of the hotels around grand anse are pretty much run down and probably the least luxury you can get. Coming from so cali, I found that grenadian "luxury" i a lot different than what I'm used to. I'll pay luxury prices to stay in a true "luxury" hotel not the rather dilapidated coyaba.



spoiled southern californian.....

[stephew]

It isn't necessary to do so. From what I understand, the 5th/6th term clinical stuff is very basic. Apart from the radiology aspect (which I seem to remember Steph praising highly), the SVG hospital experience is one of history taking, physical exams, phlebotomy (maybe), and the like. I imagine Grenada General would be able to provide for these basic needs. Either way, I wouldn't mind a 2 week Vinnies vacation.

I'm afraid the grenadian hospital hasn't been up to the challange in the past. The is a big difference between the SVG and Gda hospital (from both a teaching and pt perspective). trust me, I hope its changed or changing or changable. but there's a reason students do rotations in the SVG place.

GDA doesnt need to "retrofit" to 1st world medicine. But good 3rd world medicine would suffice just fine.

[Doc4Pets]

spoiled southern californian.....

Less than 3 weeks left until a 3 month vacation...:D

I can't wait to take a nice long drive down PCH, get some grub at my fav seafood restaurant in santa monica (the best blackened mahi mahi!), and just enjoy civilization again.

[RussianJoo]

Less than 3 weeks left until a 3 month vacation...:D

I can't wait to take a nice long drive down PCH, get some grub at my fav seafood restaurant in santa monica (the best blackened mahi mahi!), and just enjoy civilization again.


sure rub it in why don't you....

[Doc4Pets]

sure rub it in why don't you....

Well, there has to be something to look forward to after gnd...

[platinumxx80]

I'm afraid the grenadian hospital hasn't been up to the challange in the past. The is a big difference between the SVG and Gda hospital (from both a teaching and pt perspective). trust me, I hope its changed or changing or changable. but there's a reason students do rotations in the SVG place.

GDA doesnt need to "retrofit" to 1st world medicine. But good 3rd world medicine would suffice just fine.



i honestly think that the rotations i did at st. vincents was a waste of time...u can get by with patients being sent to the school to practice the art of taking an H&P....with that said...i hope st. vincents sinks to the bottom of the ocean...it's a miserable island with so much hidden hate and crime

[stephew]

yeah real patients and rotations are a waste of time.

[RussianJoo]

i honestly think that the rotations i did at st. vincents was a waste of time...u can get by with patients being sent to the school to practice the art of taking an H&P....with that said...i hope st. vincents sinks to the bottom of the ocean...it's a miserable island with so much hidden hate and crime


see there you go with your negative attitude again. it seems like everything is a waste of time for you. why did you even go to medical school? I am not trying to pick a fight, i am just very confused why you're even in medical school soon to be a doctor if everything was such a waste of time, maybe you're just not interested in medicine?

[FFMG]

i thought the rotations i did in svg were great. I saw quite alot of surgeries, had some great mini lectures during my rotations including one on skin grafting, gout, liver diseases, the radiology rotation was great. i enjoyed the H&Ps and found them much better at the hospital than at the school ( especially obs/gyn and peds) i also got to see about 10 surgeries lots of ortho which is what i'm interested in. also assisted in reduction of a shoulder dislocation.
i thought the teaching was waaayyy superior to what i had in grenada for clinical skills where most of the local doctors were too laid back to care ( i actually had one fall asleep on our grp ). i hope they atleast bring some of the docs to grenada. Also a few docs from some of the UK hospitals visited and they were great (singed up for pulmonology and Obs) it is sad that the next semesters class is going to miss out but the country needs time to reduce all the breakins maybe sgu will think about again after that. I heard from a friend on campus that there have been about 3 arrests already. begs to wonder what the police was doing b4 the school threatened to pull out........

[eav]

When I did premed we had a course that required us to go to the OR and the ER. I have been there numerous times and can tell you that I found it to be a very good experience. I saw a number of procedures, ranging form orthopedic to OB/GYN to exploratory, etc. We also did some ward rounds. I can honesty say that I enjoyed every minute of it (except for a particularly crabby ER doctor). I have not been to St. Vincent and can't compare the two, but I know from first hand experience that the Grenada hospital is not nearly as bad as some are trying to paint it.
I must also point out that the teaching at the actual hospital was way superior to what we get in Clinical Skills.

[FFMG]

yep i have to say the docs in the premed were pretty good. those (we had about 4 back then) ended up being the good ones in 4th term for me atleast

[RussianJoo]

maybe we'll have those docs teach us next term when 5th/6th term is in GND.

[envivany1]

i honestly think that the rotations i did at st. vincents was a waste of time...u can get by with patients being sent to the school to practice the art of taking an H&P....with that said...i hope st. vincents sinks to the bottom of the ocean...it's a miserable island with so much hidden hate and crime
Well you are entitled to your opinion. I remember a boy in class last term by the name of E#@+? whom frankly asked if he could stop attending the hospital because he would rather study in the afternoons, lol. this is the curriculum of the school and if we attend sgu, we must complete it whether we like it or not.
To be constructive, you can however make suggestions on how to improve those rotations

[RussianJoo]

A guy in my path lab group stopped coming to lab. He said it was a waste of time, and not to assign him slides anymore. And I think lab is actually pretty good, if you get the right tutor or ask the proper questions.

[jaywalk81]

IMO, really depending which tutor you get from week to week and also partly dependent on the members of your path group, there are times when path lab is a waste of time. but some tutors are great and better than the lecturers

[envivany1]

Yeah it depended on the tutors, but i concurr, i felt like a lot of it was a waste of time, but I tried my best to learn as much as I could during those two hours of everyday. But with the right tutor and right group, it was golden

[ktb1004]

I'm a 6th termer who chose to stay in St. Vincent because our apt. complex has been safe. But almost right after most the students left, the burgler was taken into custody. Today we just got an email from a professor here that included the newspaper clipping reporting that (dont know if i can put that), but anyway the main guy has been captured and sentenced to 10 years and two of his buddies were convicted as well. The situation here was really hyped up and now we know the police and court system here actually works. Theres a lot of crime in Grenada too as well as more violent episodes than happen here, its just not as dramatacized.
Would I have liked to stay in Grenada? Yes, for non-school reasons; beach, bananas, more stuff to do/eat, etc. But in terms of safety, quality of professors, friendliness of locals and hospital rotations it is a good place to be. So if students do have to come to Vinnies, its not the end of the world, and it will probably happen after next term when the hoopla has died down, unless gnd hospital gets better.

[summerwind]

I'm a 6th termer who chose to stay in St. Vincent because our apt. complex has been safe. But almost right after most the students left, the burgler was taken into custody. Today we just got an email from a professor here that included the newspaper clipping reporting that (dont know if i can put that), but anyway the main guy has been captured and sentenced to 10 years and two of his buddies were convicted as well. The situation here was really hyped up and now we know the police and court system here actually works.

A friend forwarded the newspaper clipping to me. The following is a quote taken from the article:

Magistrate Churaman said that "a strong message needs to be sent out to the public for such offenses....you have managed to damage the tourism sector, you have damaged the medical college and caused students to go back to their places of origin"

Sounds like the the government of St. Vincent got the message. A 10 year sentence is serious time.

[RussianJoo]

well it's about time that the government got the message. lets hope it's not to late for their sake.... I am sure a lot of people are going to go hungry next term when there are no SGU students going to SVG.

[summerwind]

well it's about time that the government got the message. lets hope it's not to late for their sake.... I am sure a lot of people are going to go hungry next term when there are no SGU students going to SVG.

Other criminals thinking about stealing from or harming students will certainly think twice. I would assume that prisoners in the St. Vincent prison is are not doing easy time.

[sms92106]

With regards to the recent arrest and sentencing of the burglar in SVG, why wasn't this action taken sooner? This recent arrest goes to prove that the government and police at SVG have turned a blind eye towards crimes against students until they were faced with the withdrawal of students and loss of a yearly revenue close to $22 million EC dollars (amount stated in the SVG paper).

This arrest and trial was done after the exodus of students this term, so all along I'm convinced that the government and police CHOSE not to do anything to help our situation. Instead of feeling reassured about the proficiency of SVG police and court, I am outraged that it has taken so long and caused so much distress to many students to finally have them take some action.

I am currently in SVG, and I must admit I prefer SVG to GND, the people are definitely friendlier and it is more beautiful here. But the amount of crimes against students is ridiculous, and I am glad to see the school relocate to GND. This island has taken the students for granted for way to long.

[Doc4Pets]

A friend forwarded the newspaper clipping to me. The following is a quote taken from the article:

Magistrate Churaman said that "a strong message needs to be sent out to the public for such offenses....you have managed to damage the tourism sector, you have damaged the medical college and caused students to go back to their places of origin"

Sounds like the the government of St. Vincent got the message. A 10 year sentence is serious time.

It also shows you the TRUE priorities of St. Vincents (perhaps most other caribbean nations too). The didn't put the criminals away because they harmed others, but mostly because they "damaged the tourism sector". This is the true motivating factor.

[FFMG]

Well i would think that in tourism dependent countries like most of these islands damage to the tourism sector would affect all citizens not just those that the crimes were committed against. When you have a country so dependent on one source of income any loss will mean poverty and i guess from poverty you will prob get more crime. I say lock those criminals up irrespective of the reason behind it. i hope they keep this up so that students can feel safer.

[summerwind]

It also shows you the TRUE priorities of St. Vincents (perhaps most other caribbean nations too). The didn't put the criminals away because they harmed others, but mostly because they "damaged the tourism sector". This is the true motivating factor.

People aren't always motivated to do "the right thing" just because it is right. What motivates many politicians? Is it doing the right thing or weighing what effect their decisions will have on the polls and on re-election?

[Doc4Pets]

People aren't always motivated to do "the right thing" just because it is right. What motivates many politicians? Is it doing the right thing or weighing what effect their decisions will have on the polls and on re-election?

I'm not talking about the politicians, but the St. Vincent's Law enforcement, courts, judicial system, and just overall cultural attitudes.

It's kinda like how people say "we don't hate americans, we just hate america's foreign policy". That is just utter ** because it is the majority of AMERICAN CITIZENS that vote for such policies. So, if you oppose the us foreign policy, then you SHOULD really hate vote wielding americans.

[stephew]

please stay on topic of the thread. thank you.

[cavalletti]

A friend forwarded the newspaper clipping to me. The following is a quote taken from the article:

Magistrate Churaman said that "a strong message needs to be sent out to the public for such offenses....you have managed to damage the tourism sector, you have damaged the medical college and caused students to go back to their places of origin"

Sounds like the the government of St. Vincent got the message. A 10 year sentence is serious time.

This is great news. St. Vincent will be the safest Island in the Caribbean. Looks like the local government now knows what it will take to keep students safe.

[Doc4Pets]

This is great news. St. Vincent will be the safest Island in the Caribbean. Looks like the local government now knows what it will take to keep students safe.

It's great news for the residents of St. Vincent's but may be too late to resurrect the shelved clinical classes...

[stephew]

This is great news. St. Vincent will be the safest Island in the Caribbean. Looks like the local government now knows what it will take to keep students safe.

that's great. well done students. And admin.

[Doc4Pets]

that's great. well done students. And admin.

Too little and waaaayyy too late... It shouldn't have taken that many people being physically assaulted/raped to get some results.

Also, remember, there could be more criminals on the loose. I seriously doubt that there were only a couple of guys involved. And now, they magically have been caught and sentenced all within a few weeks! Thats great caribbean justice for ya...:rolleyes:

[stephew]

youre right. BAD students BAD admin!

[FFMG]

i guess the trial was expedited to quell the crisis. My friend in vinnies said an article pointed out that they guy went to each house and pointed them out and how exactly he broke in hence why he got 26 charges. this is a different article from the one that is on the SGU crime report post. the one on the post says its actually three people who were arrested not just one. so i guess btw the 3 they may have covered the batch. this doesnt stop new criminals or maybe the ones that they missed. i hope they keep up the security measures

[stephew]

hopefully it will scare others from the things going further down the slippery slope. time will tell.

[Doc4Pets]

youre right. BAD students BAD admin!

I'm not talking about SGU students or admin. I'm saying that the St. Vincent authorities got around to quelling the raping/robbing wayyyyy too late. And I feel that they only did something because their economy was affected, not because they had any genuine concern for the safety of students.

[RussianJoo]

I agree if SGU students wouldn't have complained things wouldn't change.

so since the guys were arrested did the students get their stuff/money back?

[stephew]

I'm not talking about SGU students or admin. I'm saying that the St. Vincent authorities got around to quelling the raping/robbing wayyyyy too late. And I feel that they only did something because their economy was affected, not because they had any genuine concern for the safety of students.
that aint the caribbean. that's politicians.

[stephew]

i think the student's mobilization this time really made the difference.

[FFMG]

i think safety of the students and the status of their economy are keenly linked. by a large 22 million dollar check i would say. its pretty much one and the same.
the sexual assault made a huge difference though. before student crimes were never brought to the attention of the st vincent public. when a crime so serious happened it was pretty much plastered all over their newspapers and all over their radios and tvs. there was no running away from it. hence their was not only a large outcry from the school but also one from the locals. so the police had to step up.
i think by pulling out next semester the school has really taught them a lesson (exactly who needs who) and hopefully they will learn and the security measures will stay up if the 2nd/3rd termers decide to come up

[Doc4Pets]

that aint the caribbean. that's politicians.

What are you trying to say?

And what do you know about politics?

[stephew]

i was trying to say what i said.
and im guessing the 2nd question was rhetorical

[rokshana]

What are you trying to say?

And what do you know about politics?


surely you aren't so naive to think that that attitude is limited to the caribbean and cannot happen in the US? That politicians and police and the justice system aren't influenced by media attention and the bottom line?

[cavalletti]

i think the student's mobilization this time really made the difference.

As a result of the student's action and Chancellor M's accomodation and support , new terms will never need to contend with the level of crime experienced by prior SGUers. Student's have set a precedence. St. Vincent's government knows that SGU could pull out again.

[Doc4Pets]

As a result of the student's action and Chancellor M's accomodation and support , new terms will never need to contend with the level of crime experienced by prior SGUers. Student's have set a precedence. St. Vincent's government knows that SGU could pull out again.

So, the pull out was a temporary situation?

It seems like that with the grenada hospital being available and professors could just board flights to gnd instead of svg, there would be no need to ship students off to another country to finish studies.

I just wouldn't want other students to get raped/assaulted for another change to take place. Lets not experiment with people's safety.

About politics... do you just invoke "its just politics" because that is intellectually facile or do you actually follow our current and historical political climate? I'm just asking because people don't even know who our top general is in iraq and yet they know all about the iraq war. They don't even know about sykes/picot treaty yet they know why iraq is in turmoil. Or don't even know the difference between a Sunni, Shiite, or Kurd (don't worry most of our congress doesn't either).

Or people don't have a clue as to who Alberto Gonzalez is and why he is on trial. Or people cite opinion polls without even knowing what the PEW organization is. Or don't even know the various think tanks like the heritage foundation and what their objectives are.

[rokshana]

So, the pull out was a temporary situation?

i would imagine that since there is still a campus in svg, that eventually students will go back there- when? who knows? Of course its possible that the school could sell that property, but since the SVG gov't has been responsive, i don't know if the school will choose to consolidate the campuses. It seems, with the opening of the UK site, the philosophy is to have more than one place for classes


It seems like that with the grenada hospital being available and professors could just board flights to gnd instead of svg, there would be no need to ship students off to another country to finish studies.

as its been mentioned before, the hospital is not up to par as the one in svg and as those docs are based in svg and are practicing community docs and not just working for the school, it could be difficult to get those preceptors to hop on a plane to gnd. Also many of the CT and professors live in SVG and probably wouldn't want to commute to grenada.

I just wouldn't want other students to get raped/assaulted for another change to take place. Lets not experiment with people's safety.

Well gnd is not exactly the safest either- as i recall there was a sexual assault in gnd just recently (in fact the impetus for the crime reports section on the members page), so where would the students go then?

[FFMG]

I think the pull out was more so that the school will give the ppl in st vincent a wake up call that it would not be tolerated. Crime happens on both shores(robbery, assault you name it ) the only thing is that pulling out of grenada is not an easy option. plus crime in grenada hasnt had the publicity that crime in svg has(minus the sexual assault i think last semester which was pretty much the talk for a while). I think this is mostly not due to the escalation of crimes but a tough stance by the SGA (which i applaud). I think the pull out of st vincent is just temporary so the people and government can reassess their stance and ensure that protecting students becomes a priority.

[RussianJoo]

IF the chancellor owns the campus in SVG than why is it called Kingston Medical College? It's no affiliated with any other school but SGU, it only has SGU students in it, why not call it SGU-SVG campus? but it's not. Kind of makes me think that the campus is being rented by us, and doesn't belong to us.

[envivany1]

I did speak to dr J, the dean of KMC about that. Vinnies came about after the coup in grenada, at the time, gnd was unstable, and the school was pretty new, they werent quite sure if they were going to remain in gnd, but things in gnd improoved, and we were stuck with two campuses, and it ended up working out pretty well. KMC is actually a separate institution even though still owned by sgu, and it is a possibility to make that a full med school like we have in gnd. Well we just have to see how things go with this situation.

[jrosenberg]

IF the chancellor owns the campus in SVG than why is it called Kingston Medical College? It's no affiliated with any other school but SGU, it only has SGU students in it, why not call it SGU-SVG campus? but it's not. Kind of makes me think that the campus is being rented by us, and doesn't belong to us.

I had heard that SGU rents the campus that we don't own it. Otherwise you are correct-why would it still be caleld Kingstown College?

[jaywalk81]

just a guess here, but it is probably named just as the way SGU is named after the capital of GND, so KMC is named after the capital of SVG

[RussianJoo]

that wouldn't make any sense. If it's the same school it should have the same name, just cause the location of the other campus is different they shouldn't call it a totally different name and not even mention the affiliation to the main school name in the title. Many State Universities have multiple campuses but they're called the same name, and then it will such and such campus.

[jaywalk81]

i think as what other posters mentioned that when sgu started out 30 yrs they didnt want to put all their eggs in one basket thus they had 2 campuses incase lets say st george "campus" is destroyed, they can relocate and start up in SVG and would be KMC, instead of SGU since it would make no sense to call it SGU if there was an unfortunate incident to force the school to shut down the GND campus and to move to SVG, thus i think the 2 diff names

[RussianJoo]

ok, i don't know whatever.. i was just wondering it's not that big of a deal..

[Doc4Pets]

i think as what other posters mentioned that when sgu started out 30 yrs they didnt want to put all their eggs in one basket thus they had 2 campuses incase lets say st george "campus" is destroyed, they can relocate and start up in SVG and would be KMC, instead of SGU since it would make no sense to call it SGU if there was an unfortunate incident to force the school to shut down the GND campus and to move to SVG, thus i think the 2 diff names

SGU's old campus did get destroyed... by a volcano on Monteserrat.

[stephew]

SGU's old campus did get destroyed... by a volcano on Monteserrat.

wrong med school kiddo. that was AUC.

[Doc4Pets]

wrong med school kiddo. that was AUC.

Too funny!! I had read something about that happening on this forum and somehow it got stuck with sgu. :confused:

[stephew]

nope sgu has been on grenada since day one.

[summerwind]

I'm not talking about SGU students or admin. I'm saying that the St. Vincent authorities got around to quelling the raping/robbing wayyyyy too late. And I feel that they only did something because their economy was affected, not because they had any genuine concern for the safety of students.

I don't know why you keep saying the student was raped. The sexual assault would have been traumatic enough without you embellishing. You lose credibility when you add falsehoods for dramatic effect.

[summerwind]

i think safety of the students and the status of their economy are keenly linked. by a large 22 million dollar check i would say. its pretty much one and the same.
the sexual assault made a huge difference though. before student crimes were never brought to the attention of the st vincent public. when a crime so serious happened it was pretty much plastered all over their newspapers and all over their radios and tvs. there was no running away from it. hence their was not only a large outcry from the school but also one from the locals. so the police had to step up.
i think by pulling out next semester the school has really taught them a lesson (exactly who needs who) and hopefully they will learn and the security measures will stay up if the 2nd/3rd termers decide to come up

Also, the 10 year sentence will be a deterrent to other criminals.

[mangmang]

thats true

[Doc4Pets]

I don't know why you keep saying the student was raped. The sexual assault would have been traumatic enough without you embellishing. You loose credibility when you add falsehoods for dramatic effect.

So she DIDN'T get raped??

[cavalletti]

So she DIDN'T get raped??

The crime report said "sexual assault"

[summerwind]

So she DIDN'T get raped??

She did not get raped.

[Doc4Pets]

She did not get raped.

What type of transgressions deem a crime as a sexual assault? Sodomy? Fondling?

And what do you consider rape?

[stephew]

ok kids, please take the "what rape is" debate offline. please stay on the original topic.

[rokshana]

SGU's old campus did get destroyed... by a volcano on Monteserrat.

that was AUC!!!!

[Doc4Pets]

that was AUC!!!!

We already cleared that up... thanks for playing though.:rolleyes:

[rokshana]

We already cleared that up... thanks for playing though.:rolleyes:


lol thats what i get for responding before reading to the end!!!:D

[Lydde31]

i honestly think that the rotations i did at st. vincents was a waste of time...u can get by with patients being sent to the school to practice the art of taking an H&P....with that said...i hope st. vincents sinks to the bottom of the ocean...it's a miserable island with so much hidden hate and crime

So you were proficient in taking histories and PE on real live patients (not simulated ones) before you went there? Lucky you!