RESIDENCY PLACEMENT (SGU) compared to US schools

[uwrtank]

After viewing the residency placements of our fellow SGU students, I felt that we did fairly well. Obviously, people are not going to NYU, Harvard, or the ivies for competitive specialities but I feel that our residency placement is comparable to that of some US state medical schools. what do you guys think? i understand that its nearly impossible for SGU students to receive plastic surgery, radiology, dermatology, orth. offers, but check out the placements of other US state schools as well. it's extremely difficult for everyone.

[RussianJoo]

that's why i picked SGU over other schools. and I have spoken to a lot of physicians, and they all consider SGU to be as equal if not better than some US State schools.

[Doc4Pets]

I have spoken to a lot of physicians, and they all consider SGU to be as equal if not better than some US State schools.

Just wondering, what specific reasons did these physicians give that makes SGU equal or better than some US schools?

[cavalletti]

After viewing the residency placements of our fellow SGU students, I felt that we did fairly well. Obviously, people are not going to NYU, Harvard, or the ivies for competitive specialities but I feel that our residency placement is comparable to that of some US state medical schools. what do you guys think? i understand that its nearly impossible for SGU students to receive plastic surgery, radiology, dermatology, orth. offers, but check out the placements of other US state schools as well. it's extremely difficult for everyone.

Can you give us some specifics? Which US schools were you using in your comparison?

[platinumxx80]

you must be illusional if you really think that our match lists are comparable to the average US med school....majority of our grads go into primary care..not because we really want to...it's because it's easier to get....yes we get university programs for IM, PEDS and etc...but these programs have track records for taking FMG's.....we dont send grads to the harvards, BWH's, and john hopkins....SGU is a physician factory for primary care....

[berkeleyboy]

you must be illusional if you really think that our match lists are comparable to the average US med school....majority of our grads go into primary care..not because we really want to...it's because it's easier to get....yes we get university programs for IM, PEDS and etc...but these programs have track records for taking FMG's.....we dont send grads to the harvards, BWH's, and john hopkins....SGU is a physician factory for primary care....

I def. don't think they are exactly comparable since SGU has so many grads and if there were that many grads at a US school, they would def. send more graduates to sub-specialty residencies. That being said, while IT IS tougher to match a competitve specialty coming from SGU, there is not one single specialty out there including (derm, plastics, urology, ortho, ophthal, neurosurg, rad-onc, rads) that an SGU grad has not attained after graduating from SGU.

Thats the truth.

Berk

[ScubaVa]

I don't know if you guys read business trends in medicine, but primary care physicians are the wave of the future. As managed care companies are taking over health care in lower income communities, they are reducing the demands for specialists to reduce costs. That causes a domino effect that eliminates more and more residency spots for some of the more highly specialized fields. My point is, more and more US schools are churning out primary care docs. In fact, Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, and Family Practice are consistently the most matched programs out of virtually any US medical school. Sad, but true.

[RussianJoo]

Just wondering, what specific reasons did these physicians give that makes SGU equal or better than some US schools?

residency placement, and personal experiences with dealing with SGU graduates.

[nyphys1]

After viewing the residency placements of our fellow SGU students, I felt that we did fairly well. Obviously, people are not going to NYU, Harvard, or the ivies for competitive specialities but I feel that our residency placement is comparable to that of some US state medical schools. what do you guys think? i understand that its nearly impossible for SGU students to receive plastic surgery, radiology, dermatology, orth. offers, but check out the placements of other US state schools as well. it's extremely difficult for everyone.
If you compare the SGU list to those of a few US schools located in rural areas and which focus on training locals for primary care then I would agree that SGU is better.. However at most US schools there are 150+ grads and among the yearly matches there are aprox 10-15 into Rads ,3-4 Derm, 15+ EM, 4-6 Ortho, 5-10+Optho ,and a good size group into cat-Surgey,ENT,URO,Radonc,etc..(see the match lists on studentdoctor.net)
The IM,Peds matches from SGU/Ross schools are often at good solid mid level university programs.But the number making it into these competitive specialties is very low when compared to the number of grads in the class.
As stated matches to "prestige" programs even in primary care is low.
I think that SGU has a very good match list all things considered but one should not mislead oneself as to what the actual situation is.

[SGUstud]

that's why i picked SGU over other schools. and I have spoken to a lot of physicians, and they all consider SGU to be as equal if not better than some US State schools.

this is such insane, utter, incredibly stupid nonsense that it makes my head hurt. not even south east montana tech state SOM is considered on a lower level to SGU. if you actually believe that sgu is held in higher regard than ANY med school in america, then i have some beach side property to sell you in oklahoma.

if you counter w/ "that's what i was told/that's what i heard", then you were either lied to, or heard incorrectly.

i really want to know where you people hear some of the things you hear. it's like someone blew smoke up your butt and you not only inhaled, but asked for more drags.

as someone a few posts back said, sgu is a factory for primary care. they're absolutely right. the residencies this school places, on the WHOLE, are not competitive w/ american med schools. that's life

[platinumxx80]

I don't know if you guys read business trends in medicine, but primary care physicians are the wave of the future. As managed care companies are taking over health care in lower income communities, they are reducing the demands for specialists to reduce costs. That causes a domino effect that eliminates more and more residency spots for some of the more highly specialized fields. My point is, more and more US schools are churning out primary care docs. In fact, Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, and Family Practice are consistently the most matched programs out of virtually any US medical school. Sad, but true.


UR RIGHT PRIMARY CARE IS THE FUTURE TREND...BUT WHAT'S UR POINT...IT'S STILL REALLY EASY TO GET A PRIMARY CARE RESIDENCY COMPARED TO GETTING A SUBSPECIALITY. THERE WERE PPL IN MY CLASS WHO MATCHED INTO PRIMARY CARE...AND U SCRATCH UR HEAD AND ASK URSELF HOW THAT HAPPENED.....THEY DIDNT HAVE GOOD GRADES...THEIR SCORES WERE BARELY PASSING...AND THEY HAD VERY BORING PERSONALITIES.....THERE'S ONLY ONE REASON WHY THAT HAPPENS....BECAUSE IT'S EASY TO MATCH INTO PRIMARY CARE. IT'S OBVIOUS HOW EASY IT IS...JUST GO TO ANY SGU HOSPITAL..AND GO TO THE IM DEPT...U'LL SEE ALL THESE FMG'S FROM AROUND THE WORLD...SOME OLD ENUF TO BE UR GRANDFATHER....SGU STUDENTS ARE GETTING CONTRACTS THROWN UPON THEM AT OUR HOSPITALS..BEGGING THEM TO TAKE A SPOT....FOR INSTANCE...AT JAMAICA HOSPITAL..NO SGU STUDENT HAS EVER MATCHED AT THE IM PROGRAM...SO EVERY YEAR THEY TRY TO TRICK SOME DESPERATE STUDENT INTO GOING THERE...SO FAR IT HASNT WORKED...

[envivany1]

it doesnt take a genius to figure out that most people dont go into primary care by choice, but you gotta be practical and take what you can get.

[rokshana]

it doesnt take a genius to figure out that most people dont go into primary care by choice, but you gotta be practical and take what you can get.

i don't think thats necessary true- even at many US schools there are a high % of students going into primary care.

true many of those will look to do subspecialties, but there are many who truly want to do general medicine.

look at ob/gyn this year(it is considered to be primary care) - applications are up and the match was high(only 6 unfilled spots)- most in ob do not go into subspecialities and practice gen ob/gyn.

[cavalletti]

SGU's match results look better every year. The fact that we are even considering this question indicates that SGU is getting closer to being on par with US schools.

[tralfaz]

Here are some match lists of other schools:
Student Affairs (http://sls.downstate.edu/student_affairs/residency/res_place_2007.html)
Medical Student Handbook (http://www.med-ed.virginia.edu/handbook/residency/Match/07/index.cfm)
Stritch School of Medicine - Perspective Students - Residency Placement (http://www.meddean.luc.edu/prospective/residency_placement.htm)
Residency Match Placements (http://medicine.osu.edu/currentstudents/studentresources/resmatch/)
Minority Affairs - OMA Alumni (http://www.med.ufl.edu/oma/alumnioma.shtml)


UMDNJ:

Ninety-eight percent of the Class of 2003 who were enrolled in the National Resident Matching Program matched. The national average was 93.5%. The following programs and specialties were represented:
Anesthesia

Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania-PA (2)
Duke University Medical Center-NC
St. Luke's-Roosevelt-NY
Mt. Sinai Hospital-NY (2)
University Penn Health System/Presbyterian-PA
UMDNJ-RW Johnson-Piscataway-NJ (2)
St. Vincent's Hospital-NY
Dermatology

NYU-School of Medicine-NY
St. Luke's-Roosevelt-NY
Emergency Medicine
NYP Hospital-NY Cornell-NY (2)
University of North Carolina Hospital-NC
Temple University Hospital-PA
UMDNJ-RW Johnson-Camden-NJ
Newark-Beth Israel-NJ (3)
Family Medicine

NYP Hospital-Columbia Presbyterian-NY
U Colorado SOM-Denver-CO
Hunterdon Medical Center-NJ
Fairview Hospital-OH
Somerset Medical Center-NJ
Providence Hospital-DC
Florida Hospital-Orlando-FL
U Mass Med School-MA
Internal Medicine

Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania-PA
University of Southern California-CA
Georgetown University Hospital-DC (2)
Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center-NY (2)
Johns Hopkins Bayview-MD
Mount Sinai Hospital-NY
Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center-NY
NYU School of Medicine-NY (2)
University Health Center of Pittsburgh-PA
Boston University Medical Center-MA
University of Chicago Hosp-IL
St. Vincent's Hospital-NY
Brown University Hospital-RI
Thomas Jefferson University-PA (4)
UMDNJ-R W Johnson-Piscataway-NJ (9)
Long Island Jewish-NY
UMDNJ- R W Johnson-Camden-NJ (3)
UMDNJ-New Jersey Med-Newark-NJ
SAUSHEC-Wilford Hall Med Center-TX
Neurological Surgery

Thomas Jefferson University-PA
Neurology

NY Presbyterian Hospital-Cornell-NY
Obstetrics and Gynecology

Johns Hopkins Hospital-MD
NYP Hospital-NY Cornell-NY
Mt. Sinai Hospital-NY
Pennsylvania Hospital-PA (2)
Thomas Jefferson University-PA
Christiana Care-DE
UMDNJ-R W Johnson-Piscataway-NJ
St Luke's-Bethlehem-PA
Ophthalmology

Duke Medical Center
University of Rochester
St. Vincent's Hospital-NY (2)
New York Medical College-NY
University of Texas-San Antonio-TX
UMDNJ New Jersey Med-Newark-NJ
Orthopaedic Surgery

Yale-New Haven Hospital-CT
Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania-PA
University of Arizona Affil. Hosp-AZ
UCLA Medical Center-CA
UMDNJ-R W Johnson-Piscataway-NJ
Drexel University COM-PA
SUNY HSC Brooklyn-NY
Walter Reed Medical Center-DC
William Beaumont Army Medical Center-TX
Otolaryngology

University of Vermont
Pathology

UMDNJ-New Jersey Med-Newark-NJ
Pediatrics

Children's Hospital of Philadelphia-PA (4)
Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
NYP Hospital-NY Cornell-NY
Children's Hospital/LA-CA
Jackson Memorial Hospital-FL
St. Christopher's Hospital-PA
Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center-NY
New England Medical Center-MA
Baylor College of Medicine-Houston-TX
Mt. Sinai Hospital-NY
Maimonides Medical Center-NY
Pediatrics/Psychiatry/Child Psychiatry

Mount Sinai Hospital-NY
Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation

NYP Hospital-Columbia Presbyterian-NY
Mt. Sinai Hospital-NY
Baylor College Medicine-Houston-TX (2)
McGaw Medical Center-NW University-IL
UMDNJ-R W Johnson-Piscataway-NJ
Plastic Surgery

Baylor College Medicine-Houston-TX
Psychiatry

Brown University Psych Res-RI
Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania-PA (2)
U Hawaii Affiliated Psych Residency-HI
UC Irvine Medical Center-CA
Baylor College Medicine-Houston-TX
Good Samaritan Regional Med Center-AZ
Westchester Medical Center-NY
Long Island Jewish-NY
WSU/Detroit Medical Center-MI
UMDNJ-R W Johnson-Piscataway-PA
St. Vincent's Hospital-NY
Hartford Hospital-CT
Radiation Oncology

Thomas Jefferson University-PA
Radiology-Diagnostic

NYP Hospital-NY Cornell-NY
Rhode Island Hospital/Brown University-RI
University of Illinois COM-Chicago-IL
Medical University of South Carolina-SC
Einstein/Montefiore Medical Center-NY
UMDNJ-R W Johnson-Piscataway (3)
Thomas Jefferson University-PA
Stony Brook Teaching Hospital-NY (2)
St. Barnabas Medical Center-NJ
UMDNJ-New Jersey Med-Newark-NJ
Albert Einstein Medical Center-PA
Surgery

University of Chicago Hospital-IL
U Texas SW Medical School-Dallas-TX
Einstein Montefiore Med Center-NY
Thomas Jefferson University-PA
Allegheny General Hospital-PA
Albert Einstein Medical Center-PA
UMDNJ-R W Johnson-Piscataway-NJ (4)
Staten Island University Hospital-NY
Brookdale Hospital Medical Center-NY
Urology

University of Miami-Jackson Memorial-FL
Temple University Hospital-PA
UMDNJ-R W Johnson-Piscataway-NJ



Draw your own conclusions.

[Doc4Pets]

Draw your own conclusions.

Becoming the next Doctor 90210 is REAL hard!:D

And there are more derm, Rads, Ortho, and Optho matches in ONE class than probably in the entire history of SGU.

[rokshana]

duh!
if ANYONE came down to sgu thinking - oh there is no difference, then you either are very naive or just didn't do ANY research.

That's not the point.

The point is that there are good matches that come from sgu and it is POSSIBLE (not probably) to get a competitive program coming out of sgu (should you bet the mortgage on it- i would think not)

plus you can 't get all the info from just looking at a match list and not know some other info. There were something like 14 rads matches this year. If there were only 14 people applying...well then coming out of sgu you obviously shouldn't have a problem, 140 applying? well...don't get your hopes up.

plus the thing i noticed that while there were alot of subspecialty matches on that list- the most matches in any one field was STILL internal medicine- put peds, ob/gyn, and family together and more than half are going into primary care. And with the rare exception, UMDNJ students can't seem to match outside of the northeast.

[jackbnimble]

And with the rare exception, UMDNJ students can't seem to match outside of the northeast.

UMDNJ is a state school, in the Northeast, with a preference for NJ residents. Might that explain a large portion of the proclivity for NE matches? Are you really sure, "UMDNJ students can't seem to match outside of the northeast?"

[Doc4Pets]

And with the rare exception, UMDNJ students can't seem to match outside of the northeast.

I don't know about that, as there are matches from NYC to Hawaii and in between.

And that Ortho match at UCLA has got to be one sweet feeling! Chillin' in West LA (westwood) alone makes that residency superior.;)

[BACK2REALITY]

for the record, no one, NO ONE in the history of SGU has gotten derm. if you dont belive me, call the school, confirm on your own.

further, NO ONE has gotten an integrated plastics program from SGU.

just clarifying.

[MYung]

You need to consider more than just the school, consider the students themselves. Not to step on anyone's toes, but there is a reason why we are in the caribbean and not in a US school. We were consider weaker applicants. Look, maybe you don't think this applies to you, but I'm an SGU student myself, and I'm trying to see things objectively. The US students more likely performed better on their Steps than caribbean students. That could explain why they get more competitive residencies.

My apologies if anyone is insulted by my post.

Marco

[MYung]

Just a request, but can we stop typing in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS? No need to yell.

Thanks.

Marco

[tralfaz]

The point of me posting some match lists was to remind people to seek out the information for themselves. It is one thing to throw out rumors about what can and cannot work -- it is another to actually confirm it for yourself. The internet, if used carefully, can help you figure things out about medical schools/residencies..etc. It's not foolproof, but it's still better than what students had 10 and 20 years ago.

A great place to check out views on residencies is Scutwork.com (http://www.scutwork.com). Sure at times it's biased (i.e., people who were fired/quit), but overall there is a sense that posters do want to help their fellow colleagues. As far as residency placement, google "residency placement" or some variations on the term, and you will get some pretty comprehensive lists for different schools. Moreover, look at the different residency websites that list their housestaff. Some SGU/ROSS folks pop up in unexpected places. Ultimately, you have to make the call as to whether you feel comfortable with the stats presented. It's one of the many things that don't truly hit you until you start getting close to the end of med school...when it ceases being about 100 question multiple choice tests and starts becoming about you figuring out a career path that will end up (most likely) defining the rest of your working/professional life.

As far as students being treated like slaves/garbage, this is not news. The current popularity of med blogging has started to cast a strong light on the truth of the matter. Here are some links to things written by us students/residents who don't feel too happy about their workload either:

Third Year : PANDA BEAR, MD (http://pandabearmd.com/blog/category/third-year/)
scutmonkey (http://theunderweardrawer.homestead.com/scutmonkey.html)
Med School Hell (http://www.medschoolhell.com/page/2/)
(particularly nasty)

Of course, the forefather of clinical complaints has to be Samuel Shem, whose "House of God" opened the eyes of a lot of people:
Amazon.com: House of God, The: Books: SAMUEL MD SHEM (http://www.amazon.com/House-God-SAMUEL-MD-SHEM/dp/0440296080/ref=pd_bbs_3/002-8374483-3790433?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177042560&sr=8-3)
(do note the 120 reviews of people who say that for the most part, little has changed since he wrote the book in the 70's).

[berkeleyboy]

for the record, no one, NO ONE in the history of SGU has gotten derm. if you dont belive me, call the school, confirm on your own.

further, NO ONE has gotten an integrated plastics program from SGU.

just clarifying.

From the SGU match list:
PGY-4M**** J***** University Hospitals of ClevelandUniversity Hospitals of Cleveland/Case Western Reserve University ProgramDermatology ClevelandOH

and from the 2004 SGU match list:

T*****, ****University of Oklahoma College of Medicine, Oklahoma City, OK, Plastic Surgery

I know for a fact that the Univ. of Oklahoma also lists Dr. T***** as one of the PGY-3 residents in plastics. ITs a 3+2 plastics program meaning she matched right after she graduated from SGU.

[platinumxx80]

I Dont See Why Ur Going Thru All This Effort To Show That Sgu Got This Residency And Got That Residency...bottom Line..we Are Still Inferior To Us Med Schools...that's Just A Fact...you Ask Any Program Director And They Will Tell U The Way Schools Ranks..and It Goes Like This:

1. Us Allopathic Med School (md)
2. Us Osteopathic Med School (do)
3. Foreign Allopathic Med School With Rotations In The Us (md)
4. Gandhi School Of Medicine, (india)....etc....

[cavalletti]

From the SGU match list:
PGY-4M***J****University Hospitals of ClevelandUniversity Hospitals of Cleveland/Case Western Reserve University ProgramDermatology ClevelandOH

and from the 2004 SGU match list:

T****, C****University of Oklahoma College of Medicine, Oklahoma City, OK, Plastic Surgery

I know for a fact that the Univ. of Oklahoma also lists Dr. T**** as one of the PGY-3 residents in plastics. ITs a 3+2 plastics program meaning she matched right after she graduated from SGU.

Thanks for taking the time to research berkleyboy. WooooHooo SGU

[DRJJ1]

From the SGU match list:
PGY-4M**** J***** University Hospitals of ClevelandUniversity Hospitals of Cleveland/Case Western Reserve University ProgramDermatology ClevelandOH

and from the 2004 SGU match list:

T*****, ****University of Oklahoma College of Medicine, Oklahoma City, OK, Plastic Surgery

I know for a fact that the Univ. of Oklahoma also lists Dr. T***** as one of the PGY-3 residents in plastics. ITs a 3+2 plastics program meaning she matched right after she graduated from SGU.
.

You spend all that money and time on an undesirable island to get to the same place like SMU drs do..id rather and am going to SMU.

[summerwind]

I Dont See Why Ur Going Thru All This Effort To Show That Sgu Got This Residency And Got That Residency...

Berkeleyboy was reponding to back2reality's post stating:

"for the record, no one, NO ONE in the history of SGU has gotten derm. if you dont belive me, call the school, confirm on your own,
further, NO ONE has gotten an integrated plastics program from SGU."

Berkeleyboy is siting examples of SGU students who did match in dermatology and plastic surgery.

[jota]

Berkeleyboy was reponding to back2reality's post stating:

"for the record, no one, NO ONE in the history of SGU has gotten derm. if you dont belive me, call the school, confirm on your own,
further, NO ONE has gotten an integrated plastics program from SGU."

Berkeleyboy is siting examples of SGU students who did match in dermatology and plastic surgery.

Plus, I interviewed with an SGU dermatologist alumni in CT. I am sure other CT residents did as well.
My 2 cents here is; people, study hard and you will reach whatever goal you set for yourself. SGU, in my opinion gives us the basic of what we need to make great physicians and the rest is up to us.

[rokshana]

for the record, no one, NO ONE in the history of SGU has gotten derm. if you dont belive me, call the school, confirm on your own.

.

you would be wrong- there was a girl (i know her name, but obviously can't post) who got derm a few years ago- check the residency postings her name IS there.

SGU Residency Postings for 2007 (http://www.sgu.edu/ERD/ResidPost.nsf/BYPGY?OpenView&RestrictToCategory=PGY4&Count=-1)

[rokshana]

UMDNJ is a state school, in the Northeast, with a preference for NJ residents. Might that explain a large portion of the proclivity for NE matches? Are you really sure, "UMDNJ students can't seem to match outside of the northeast?"

from their match list, it SEEMS (sorry marco) that UMDNJ can't match outside of the northeast- you are probably right, most of the people who go to UMDNJ are probabnly from NJ and want to stay in the area.

I'm just saying that every US school isn't going to have 90% of their student going into derm, ortho,optho, or some other ubercompetitive residency - they have their share of mid tier residencies and primary care residencies.

[giovannidoe]

You are all such catty bitches to each other. Doctors? I think you're all better suited to be gossipy wash women. Perhaps, you should spend less time acting so brave behind your little computers and study.

[rokshana]

I Dont See Why Ur Going Thru All This Effort To Show That Sgu Got This Residency And Got That Residency...bottom Line..we Are Still Inferior To Us Med Schools...that's Just A Fact...you Ask Any Program Director And They Will Tell U The Way Schools Ranks..and It Goes Like This:

1. Us Allopathic Med School (md)
2. Us Osteopathic Med School (do)
3. Foreign Allopathic Med School With Rotations In The Us (md)
4. Gandhi School Of Medicine, (india)....etc....

and you know this cause you ARE a PD? Or have spoken to every PD at every program? There are plenty of places thast will look at an IMG over a DO(they have there own stigma too).

[teratos]

for the record, no one, NO ONE in the history of SGU has gotten derm. if you dont belive me, call the school, confirm on your own.

further, NO ONE has gotten an integrated plastics program from SGU.

just clarifying.

I know 2 people from AUC who have done derm, and I know a guy from SGU who did a plastics fellowship AFTER a general surgery residency

[platinumxx80]

and you know this cause you ARE a PD? Or have spoken to every PD at every program? There are plenty of places thast will look at an IMG over a DO(they have there own stigma too).


Seriously, you cant ask if i talked to every PD of every residency program in the country...because that's just so irrelevant....u have to see the point of view where I'm coming from...im not hating on SGU....im happy i had the chance to become an MD from SGU.....it's just fact that DO's have it easier when it comes to residency and here are some reasons

1. they are considered US students

2. they get a better choice of hospitals to rotate thru (especially in the NY area, and I'm referring to NYCOM students)

3. They have their own match..so they have more chances to match....DO's have their own surgery residencies...IM residencies...etc...
MDs..US or foreign dont have access to their match

4. they dont have california and texas telling them what rotations to take and how to take them and etc..just to have a chance to get a license in that state....DO's have an easier chance of matching in those states for that reason


YES, it's tru..that any residency is obtainable from SGU...but honestly it's not that easy...once in a blue moon...we'll have sum ortho's..sum derms...etc...

in my opinion..if u dont care about having a MD or DO after ur name and you want to be a physician and you want the easiest route with the least amount of obstacles....this is really what u shud do

1. get into a US MD school.... if you cant
2. get into a DO school..and if u still cant get in
3. go with a foreign med school that has a reputation for matching students...SGU, ROSS, AUC, SABA...etc..it's a toss up...

when i was applying to med school..i didnt know much about the DO program and degree...looking back on it..i probalby wud have went DO..but whatever..cant cry over spilled milk..so i move on...i still got a decent residency because I was a US citizen, I did all my rotations in US hospitals, I had good LORS, I had a good deans letter, and I rocked my interviews..I sent thank you letters, I went for second looks, I communicated my interest into my top programs in a respectful but diligent matter...and if ur curious about my scores i got an 81 on step 1 and an 83 on step 2. My scores suck..but yet i'll be working along ppl that have double 99's.....Honesty in my opinion...these factors really matter in getting a residency

A. Where you went to school

B. Where did you do ur rotations (did you make good contacts, did you get good LORs, etc)

C. Step scores

D. How you portray urself at interviews..and how much interest did you show to that program after ur interview...

E. LUCK

[RussianJoo]

Platinum Are you even an SGU student? if you are where did you do your clinical rotations? Cause i don't want to have the clinical experience you've had.

[platinumxx80]

Platinum Are you even an SGU student? if you are where did you do your clinical rotations? Cause i don't want to have the clinical experience you've had.


who said i had a bad clinical experience....i made the most of what i was given and used them for my educationl advantage....as long as there are patients...you will learn...dont expect to be spoon fed clinical education at any of our hospitals..it's up to you if u want to learn...use ur hours wisely..if u think u will learn more out of a book compared to doing scut all day..then by all means, go home and read ur book...and by the way..i think i had a good clinical experience...and yes i am an SGU student..well at least for another 2 weeks and then im done with med school

[RussianJoo]

who said i had a bad clinical experience....i made the most of what i was given and used them for my educationl advantage....as long as there are patients...you will learn...dont expect to be spoon fed clinical education at any of our hospitals..it's up to you if u want to learn...use ur hours wisely..if u think u will learn more out of a book compared to doing scut all day..then by all means, go home and read ur book...and by the way..i think i had a good clinical experience...and yes i am an SGU student..well at least for another 2 weeks and then im done with med school


If you had a good clinical experience than why did you post this on another thread? "Each Clinical Center Is Different Has Their Own Unique Style...but Overall All The Clinical Sites Share One Characteristic

YOU WORK IN A DUMP...you Get Used As Cheap Labor And You And U Dont Learn Anything...

Use Ur 12 Weeks Of Outside Electives...go Do A Real Rotation At A Real Hospital"

Also from what you commented on that thread you hardly learned anything and felt that it was all a waste of time?

[platinumxx80]

well i still think the hospitals we work in are DUMPS...most of the residents and attendings scut u out...they dont have time for teaching..so instead of relying on them to teach me..i thought myself by being proactive..and when i did an outside rotation at another hospital ...i had a better experience....at this "other" hospital..there was a daily lecture (1 hr) dedicated jus for the students..and this was tru for all the rotations....

my friend...u sure do spend alot of time trying to prove me wrong and find reasons to make my claims false....im sure u have better things to do...aren't u still a basic science student? go do somthing useful and read a book or learn how to use a blood pressure cuff....get off the computer and make the most of ur tuition

[RussianJoo]

I am not trying to prove you wrong i am just curious why you have such strong negative opinions of your rotations, while all the other students don't. that's all you're right i should be studying a lot more, but i guess i have adhd or something.

[RussianJoo]

well i still think the hospitals we work in are DUMPS...most of the residents and attendings scut u out...they dont have time for teaching..so instead of relying on them to teach me..i thought myself by being proactive..and when i did an outside rotation at another hospital ...i had a better experience....at this "other" hospital..there was a daily lecture (1 hr) dedicated jus for the students..and this was tru for all the rotations....

my friend...u sure do spend alot of time trying to prove me wrong and find reasons to make my claims false....im sure u have better things to do...aren't u still a basic science student? go do somthing useful and read a book or learn how to use a blood pressure cuff....get off the computer and make the most of ur tuition

also the people i have spoke to said they had daily lectures for students. and honestly scut work is part of the learning process.

[nylaila]

Granted SGU does have a very good reputation compared to other carribean medical schools. Reputation is not going to get you a good residency placement. It's your board scores!!!!!!! So everyone needs to stop spending so much time worrying about how going to SGU is better or not and spend that time studying for boards if you want a good residency and let the incoming freshmans ponder over such a useless topic since they actually have more time on their hands before they start school.

[platinumxx80]

i heard that SGU is going to take 600-700 ppl each term now...so that's potentially 1200+ ppl a year.....if that's tru...i guess SGU is going with quantity over quality now.....that's definitely going to bring down the school's reputation. More students will go unmatched....Currently there is a huge D.O push in the US...they are building more D.O schools....the avg size for US MD schools are increasing...they are building more US MD schools....give it a few years...and watch the IMG population in the medical field decrease with SGU sinking to the bottom of the atlantic...because the have become money hungry

[rokshana]

i heard that SGU is going to take 600-700 ppl each term now...so that's potentially 1200+ ppl a year.....if that's tru...i guess SGU is going with quantity over quality now.....that's definitely going to bring down the school's reputation. More students will go unmatched....Currently there is a huge D.O push in the US...they are building more D.O schools....the avg size for US MD schools are increasing...they are building more US MD schools....give it a few years...and watch the IMG population in the medical field decrease with SGU sinking to the bottom of the atlantic...because the have become money hungry

now you are just making things up! give a crediable source for that number.

[jameslynton]

i heard that SGU is going to take 600-700 ppl each term now...so that's potentially 1200+ ppl a year.....if that's tru...i guess SGU is going with quantity over quality now.....that's definitely going to bring down the school's reputation. More students will go unmatched....Currently there is a huge D.O push in the US...they are building more D.O schools....the avg size for US MD schools are increasing...they are building more US MD schools....give it a few years...and watch the IMG population in the medical field decrease with SGU sinking to the bottom of the atlantic...because the have become money hungryPlease don't old your breath - Most US schools have to get their increase in student seat via state governments - not the feds - not the AMA. State governments work slower than molasses on a cold day in Minneapolis. For example in Georgia - no seats have been added over 5% at MCG since the 70's. Pretty long time they went from 175 to 185 or so. Most US medical schools are state funded. No states have money right now. Since Ga has the lottery - it pays for students but not infrastructure increases. So the population of Atlanta in the 70's was about 1+ million. Now it is 5+ million an increase of 4 million new people in the state Emory, Morehouse, MCG and Mercer - no real increase in students compared to the population increase. Oh yes we have a DO school they now take 90 students or so. Are you blue yet? Island schools are the only schols doing the correct thing. That is training more Doctors. last year over 38,000 people applied for 16,500 US school positions. So if SGU takes the US rejects they still have very qualified applicants who will do well in medical school.

[stephew]

Becoming the next Doctor 90210 is REAL hard!:D

And there are more derm, Rads, Ortho, and Optho matches in ONE class than probably in the entire history of SGU.
actually while i was in radonc residency, there were at least five of us from sgu in training at the same time. one has been doing incredibly well on the national academic stage btw and im not refering to myself.

[stephew]

for the record, no one, NO ONE in the history of SGU has gotten derm. if you dont belive me, call the school, confirm on your own.

further, NO ONE has gotten an integrated plastics program from SGU.

just clarifying.

perhaps a username change is in order? your info is not at all true. my pal from the class behind got derm. another woman i know was in derm at mgh however as a fellowship. these are just personal folks i know.

[stephew]

and finally, if you want the hair pulling and eye scratching to go on, take it to pm. stick to the original topic, try to refrain from posting things that want or think make sence to be true, and above all, no tos violations.

[platinumxx80]

now you are just making things up! give a crediable source for that number.


i didnt make it up...the preceptor of all the medical students at my current hospital told me this.....and honestly why wudnt it be tru...they are building super dorms left and right...there's a new lecture hall coming up...grand anse campus can still be used....there's the UK campus....and who knows what's the next step. (online SGU MD program??) so yah...SGU is becoming a pandemic...

[envivany1]

haha, sgu is a pandemic, gladly for you and the rest of us, we can always show people the sgu diploma on the walls of our respective offices with pride. I still am very proud of this school.

[AugustSGU07]

Generally speaking, our main purpose is to have a good residency spot in the USA. IM or other areas are good and with great potential for subspecialties too. Once you are in a residency program then you are as good as any other MD grad from USA or Canada and later on in life it's up to you to make the best of your time and you can be a doctor that patients would say Dr. X is so good and I recommend him or her very much for........The bottom line is that SGU, for ex, is our plan B to become good physicians ( with harder work to do as IMGs) but we can do it. We will be competing with 1000's of MDs coming from all over the world but we have the advantage over them by doing our interships in the USA and directors will get to know us. Derm, orth, Radio,.....are more competative to us than others but still very competitive to any one simply because less are needed to accept and this doesn't mean they are better. I know a doctor who finished his MD form abroad from a third world country years a go, and he is very successful right now ( IM with Pulmonary sub) and money wise talk about more than $400000 a year.......so don't worry or feel bad. Get into residency and after that you are on your own.

[BACK2REALITY]

perhaps a username change is in order? your info is not at all true. my pal from the class behind got derm. another woman i know was in derm at mgh however as a fellowship. these are just personal folks i know.

the girl doing the fellowship is a peds person from what i recall, and the one year thing is not the same as a derm resident.

further, what year did the derm resident you are talking about graduate from sgu and when did he/she start residency??? kindly give me the year, i will call the school to confirm...if i am wrong, i will apologise for my mis information!

but as of now, i still know on no one who got derm right out school from sgu and no integrated plastics people.

the person who mentioned a plastics resident from sgu is giving incorrect information.

[platinumxx80]

the girl doing the fellowship is a peds person from what i recall, and the one year thing is not the same as a derm resident.

further, what year did the derm resident you are talking about graduate from sgu and when did he/she start residency??? kindly give me the year, i will call the school to confirm...if i am wrong, i will apologise for my mis information!

but as of now, i still know on no one who got derm right out school from sgu and no integrated plastics people.

the person who mentioned a plastics resident from sgu is giving incorrect information.


this is too funny lol

[jaywalk81]

i doubt sgu bayshore has all the info on all the grads/alumni and what each one of them have done or which residency they have obtained. they cant even keep track of all the recent grads, forget the ones who graduated 30 yrs ago. so getting the correct and accurate "info" from bayshore is limited and subjective to what they know and which alumni/grads actually report back, as i doubt 100% do. so unless bayshore can provide 100% all the alumni that have graduated thro sgu and followed up, i wont put too much money on what stats they offer on % of who did or did not get X residency or stuff like that

[jackbnimble]

i doubt sgu bayshore has all the info on all the grads/alumni and what each one of them have done or which residency they have obtained.

No doubt that is true; however, that does not negate back2's point. Don't you find it a wee (that is a technical statistical term...) bit ironic that Bayshore seems to frequently neglect to post the stellar matches but when Joe matches in a community FP residency it makes it to the list? This failure seems to happen with inordinate frequency where the most desirable PGY1's and 2's are concerned.

jackb

[jaywalk81]

tell you the truth, 99% of the time, i have no clue what bayshore is doing. most of the stuff they do there doesnt make any sense to me either.

[jackbnimble]

[QUOTE=jameslynton;598760Most US medical schools are state funded. No states have money right now. Since Ga has the lottery - it pays for students but not infrastructure increases. So the population of Atlanta in the 70's was about 1+ million. Island schools are the only schols doing the correct thing. That is training more Doctors. last year over 38,000 people applied for 16,500 US school positions. So if SGU takes the US rejects they still have very qualified applicants who will do well in medical school.[/QUOTE]

It is ironic that a few years ago, schools would have had to increase in number, in size, or both to care for their growing populations. State supported schools translates to state taxpayer supported schools. Why should GA increase the number of subsized MS I's at state schools when SGU etc will provide those students and even pay a premium for them to rotate through Emory Hospital? While you say, "Island schools are the only schools doing the correct thing," I am left believing you imply that is an altruistic motivation. Instead, I think it is economics. The fixed costs are the same whether Dr. B teaches MA to 100 students or 300. The profits are enhanced tremendously with 300.

Jackb

[Doc4Pets]

actually while i was in radonc residency, there were at least five of us from sgu in training at the same time. one has been doing incredibly well on the national academic stage btw and im not refering to myself.

Do you have any documented evidence of such accomplishments by SGU alumni?

I would think that if such prestigious positions are attained by SGU grads, that it would behoove the administration to have them documented.

Also, if you see that 300+ students secured residencies and that is essentially 3 med US Med school classes.

[summerwind]

i didnt make it up...the preceptor of all the medical students at my current hospital told me this.....and honestly why wudnt it be tru...they are building super dorms left and right...there's a new lecture hall coming up...grand anse campus can still be used....there's the UK campus....and who knows what's the next step. (online SGU MD program??) so yah...SGU is becoming a pandemic...

Not a credible source for the increase in student numbers. As for the superdorms, why not make housing available for all the students who want to live on campus? The Grand Anse housing will be discontinued and a hotel is going to be built on the site. This was discussed in a thread a few months ago. The students who would normally be housed at Grand Anse can be housed on campus with the building of more superdorms.

Even if enrollment did increase significantly, the school has demonstrated in its 25 plus years that it can successfully accommodate a growing student body. The school's reputation and enrollment has significantly and successfully increased since its foundation.

[stephew]

Do you have any documented evidence of such accomplishments by SGU alumni?


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well one of them was at my wedding and I have the photographs, but no, i did not making him sign a legal document to confirm that he is a dermatologist.. and I agree it would behoove the admin to have them documented.

as back2 now has provided the stipulation that all legitimate sgu dermatologists should have gotten the spot out immediately out of meds school, i must withdraw my friend from consideration. he didnt do derm right out of med school, he did a year of medicine first. if you want to find him, feel free to do the legwork. I will give you a place to start- he was given special mention on the sgu web site when he won some derm award. it may still be archived there. have fun.

[stephew]

tell you the truth, 99% of the time, i have no clue what bayshore is doing. most of the stuff they do there doesnt make any sense to me either.
that is part of their charm.

[Chianti]

Speaking of the SGU student who got plastics at the University of Oklahoma in 2004, I have personal knowledge of this as a good friend of mine went to the University of Oklahoma College of Medicine and wanted that plastics spot.

I'm assuming the SGU grad had 230+ on Step 1 and 2 and great letters. My friend failed Step 1 once and ended up passing Step 1 and 2 with decent but not great scores. He was PISSED when he found out they had ranked and ultimately taken a SGU grad over him.

This example shows that a SGU grad can be favored over a US grad- but the SGU grad needs to have a better academic record than the US grad. All things being equal, the US grad is going to get the nod.

[cavalletti]

Speaking of the SGU student who got plastics at the University of Oklahoma in 2004, I have personal knowledge of this as a good friend of mine went to the University of Oklahoma College of Medicine and wanted that plastics spot.

I'm assuming the SGU grad had 230+ on Step 1 and 2 and great letters. My friend failed Step 1 once and ended up passing Step 1 and 2 with decent but not great scores. He was PISSED when he found out they had ranked and ultimately taken a SGU grad over him.

This example shows that a SGU grad can be favored over a US grad- but the SGU grad needs to have a better academic record than the US grad. All things being equal, the US grad is going to get the nod.

Thanks for sharing that info chianti. SGU's reputation will only get stronger.

[jameslynton]

It is ironic that a few years ago, schools would have had to increase in number, in size, or both to care for their growing populations. State supported schools translates to state taxpayer supported schools. Why should GA increase the number of subsized MS I's at state schools when SGU etc will provide those students and even pay a premium for them to rotate through Emory Hospital? While you say, "Island schools are the only schools doing the correct thing," I am left believing you imply that is an altruistic motivation. Instead, I think it is economics. The fixed costs are the same whether Dr. B teaches MA to 100 students or 300. The profits are enhanced tremendously with 300.Emory Hospital is a private hospital at a private university that earns a profit each year. I know - I paid double the amount tuition I would have paid to go to a state school when I went there and graduated.
Sorry Jack to miss lead you about any "altruistic motivation" in my post. I am not sure what logic you used to determine that. The profit motive and earning money for teaching knowledge has a long history in western culture. I doubt elected Ga state government types even know what SGU or any island medical school names are. They are mainly concerned with taxes, expenses and getting their cut of the pie.

As for fixed costs - they would have to build new buildings with large class rooms. That is not a fixed cost. They would have to either tear down an existing building(s) (which would take current structures out of service) or buy land and build more buildings. With the cost of land near the MCG complex going at about 1 million per acre and construction costs being pretty high now days. Well that gets expensive quickly. Since the state of Georgia has a history of making class rooms from parking garages at some universities. I doubt the board of regents are very altruistic motivated either.

[swimguy23]

for whatever its worth, a few program directors told be point blank it did not matter (for them) where I went to medical school as long as I passed my steps with decent scores. The interview was more on me as a person than it was where i went to school. However, im sure its very program dependent

[jameslynton]

for whatever its worth, a few program directors told be point blank it did not matter (for them) where I went to medical school as long as I passed my steps with decent scores. The interview was more on me as a person than it was where i went to school. However, im sure its very program dependentYou will always find some person who only wants to hire a Harvard grad and no others. Happens in the business world some times also. I agree with you - most good programs are looking at the person - that person's mastery of the skills needed to succeed in position they are filling. To just hire from a "school" invites disaster.

[rokshana]

Speaking of the SGU student who got plastics at the University of Oklahoma in 2004, I have personal knowledge of this as a good friend of mine went to the University of Oklahoma College of Medicine and wanted that plastics spot.

My friend failed Step 1 once and ended up passing Step 1 and 2 with decent but not great scores. He was PISSED when he found out they had ranked and ultimately taken a SGU grad over him.

seriously....did your friend REALLY think that he was gonna GET that plastics spot??? That the sgu grad was the only one after it? I'm sure there were plenty of US grads who passed step I on the FIRST try who would have gotten it over him!

[rockadoc]

just wondering...is there any way to contact particular SGU alum that have obtained residencies you are interested in? Maybe an email database somewhere? It would be helpful to be able to ask advice from people who are coming from the same background for getting some of those competitive spots.
thx

[stephew]

yes sgu has an online one on its web site but good luck in getting that to work. call sgu. they will get you in touch with an alum who's agreed to talk with students.

[cavalletti]

yes sgu has an online one on its web site but good luck in getting that to work. call sgu. they will get you in touch with an alum who's agreed to talk with students.

I watched the video of SGU grads just last week. It was working fine for me and it is awesome? Here's the link to SGU's website, click on the globe. St. George’s University - Caribbean Medical & Veterinary School (http://www.sgu.edu/website/sguwebsite.nsf/index.html?openFileResource&NS_cid=350)

[stephew]

oh yeah that thing.

[MustafaMond]

sgu is a very good school. I'm saying this from experience by meeting the grads. The univeristy will help U get to where U want in family/IM/internist/pediatrics. That being said I passed over sgu and probably will attend DO route in a top 3 DO school (there r 26 in all now and few more by next year). What made difference for me is many DO program's are linked to all sorts of specialties. facial plastic surgery, nephrology, EM, cardiology, radiology and tons of orthopedic programs!!! will I have DO after my name? yes. Will it matter? definitely not, even in the IM/peds/internist fields. No one cares. Oh and specialized DO much > any MD who is generalist. Here are residencies programs for DO. choose "residency" to view them.

Opportunities - AOA-Approved Internships and Residencies (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search.cfm)

here's results just for Missouri



163917 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=163917&hosp_id=163916&returnPage=1)
KCUMB/St. Mary's Hospital of Blue Springs - Orthopedic Surgery Residency
Orthopedic Surgery
Blue Springs
MO

137103 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=137103&hosp_id=137762&returnPage=1)
KCUMB/COM/Medical Center of Independence - Family Practice Residency
Family Practice
Independence
MO

137104 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=137104&hosp_id=137762&returnPage=1)
KCUMB/COM/Medical Center of Independence - Internal Medicine Residency
Internal Medicine
Independence
MO

157400 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=157400&hosp_id=137762&returnPage=1)
KCUMB/COM/Medical Center of Independence - Sports Medicine Residency
Sports Medicine
Independence
MO

126829 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=126829&hosp_id=118741&returnPage=1)
Capital Region Medical Center- - Family Practice Residency
Family Practice
Jefferson City
MO

130294 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=130294&hosp_id=119271&returnPage=1)
Freeman Health System - Internal Medicine Residency
Internal Medicine
Joplin
MO

130295 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=130295&hosp_id=119271&returnPage=1)
Freeman Hospitals and Health System - Otolaryn & Facial Plastic Surg Residency
Otolaryn & Facial Plastic Surg
Joplin
MO

148650 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=148650&hosp_id=119271&returnPage=1)
Freeman Hospitals and Health System - Emergency Medicine Residency
Emergency Medicine
Joplin
MO

132348 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=132348&hosp_id=119901&returnPage=1)
Northeast Regional Med Ctr - Anesthesiology Residency
Anesthesiology
Kirksville
MO

132349 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=132349&hosp_id=119901&returnPage=1)
Northeast Regional Med Ctr - Dermatology Residency
Dermatology
Kirksville
MO

132350 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=132350&hosp_id=119901&returnPage=1)
Northeast Regional Med Ctr - FP/Osteo Manipulative Medicine Residency
Family Practice/OMM
Kirksville
MO

132351 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=132351&hosp_id=119901&returnPage=1)
Northeast Regional Med Ctr - Family Practice Residency
Family Practice
Kirksville
MO

132352 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=132352&hosp_id=119901&returnPage=1)
Northeast Regional Med Ctr - Internal Medicine Residency
Internal Medicine
Kirksville
MO

132354 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=132354&hosp_id=119901&returnPage=1)
Northeast Regional Med Ctr - Neuromusculoskeletal Medicine/OMT
Neuromusculoskeletal Med/OMT
Kirksville
MO

132355 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=132355&hosp_id=119901&returnPage=1)
Northeast Regional Med Ctr - Otolaryn & Facial Plastic Surg Residency
Otolaryn & Facial Plastic Surg
Kirksville
MO

132357 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=132357&hosp_id=119901&returnPage=1)
Northeast Regional Med Ctr - Surgery-General Residency
Surgery-General
Kirksville
MO

169622 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=169622&hosp_id=119901&returnPage=1)
Northeast Regional Med Ctr - Neuromusculoskeletal Med + 1 Residency
Neuromusculoskeletal Med + 1
Kirksville
MO

148260 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=148260&hosp_id=119212&returnPage=1)
KCOM/Moberly Regional Medical Ctr - Family Practice Residency
Family Practice
Moberly
MO

130225 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=130225&hosp_id=119242&returnPage=1)
Des Peres Hospital - Anesthesiology Residency
Anesthesiology
Saint Louis
MO

130229 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=130229&hosp_id=119242&returnPage=1)
Des Peres Hospital - Family Practice Residency
Family Practice
Saint Louis
MO

130230 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=130230&hosp_id=119242&returnPage=1)
Des Peres Hospital - Internal Medicine Residency
Internal Medicine
Saint Louis
MO

130234 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=130234&hosp_id=119242&returnPage=1)
Des Peres Hospital - Otolaryn & Facial Plastic Surg Residency
Otolaryn & Facial Plastic Surg
Saint Louis
MO

130235 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=130235&hosp_id=119242&returnPage=1)
Des Peres Hospital - Orthopedic Surgery Residency
Orthopedic Surgery
Saint Louis
MO

130236 (http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/search/search_details.cfm?program_id=130236&hosp_id=119242&returnPage=1)
Des Peres Hospital - Surgery-General Residency
Surgery-General
Saint Louis
MO