St. George's University "Docu-drama"

[TheTallGuy]

So, tonight a meeting occurred with the administration and student government to discuss the feasibility of letting a Hollywood production company come in a make a "docu-drama" series, following selected students of the medical (possibly Vet and A&S) school. Please ask your SGA reps to explain what's going on and please let them know your feelings, pro or against. SGA has been told that their decision is pivotal for going forward or not, so it is imperative to let your reps know your opinions.

[rokshana]

So, tonight a meeting occurred with the administration and student government to discuss the feasibility of letting a Hollywood production company come in a make a "docu-drama" series, following selected students of the medical (possibly Vet and A&S) school. Please ask your SGA reps to explain what's going on and please let them know your feelings, pro or against. SGA has been told that their decision is pivotal for going forward or not, so it is imperative to let your reps know your opinions.

is this the same thing that is being discussed over on the saba forum? the laguna beach/ hills reality show concept?? from what i have seen of those shows- it could do nothing, but put sgu in a bad light- bad behavior seems to be the norm- its what will get ratings.

[Cotterpin_Doozer]

finally the world will see what club medschool is actually like. there's a lot of sex, crying, and late nights doing both.

[Doc4Pets]

So, tonight a meeting occurred with the administration and student government to discuss the feasibility of letting a Hollywood production company come in a make a "docu-drama" series, following selected students of the medical (possibly Vet and A&S) school. Please ask your SGA reps to explain what's going on and please let them know your feelings, pro or against. SGA has been told that their decision is pivotal for going forward or not, so it is imperative to let your reps know your opinions.

At first blush, I'm against this. Usually these type of shows make people look like fools and really do damage to people. There is no entertainment in filming hard working, intelligent, and successful people, but there is a HUGE market for magnifying people's foibles.

SGU will look at it initially as a chance to get some publicity and exposure so even more students can be packed into our med and vet schools, but I hope they undertake an extensive review of this docurama. However, if PBS wanted to highlight some alternative ways of earning a MD or DVM and actually showed a fair portrayal of students, then I would be less skeptical.

But, can we all agree that an SGU Real World should be rejected?

[jaywalk81]

finally the world will see what club medschool is actually like. there's a lot of sex, crying, and late nights doing both.
then i am really missing out on the whole experience then...darn it

[Mayur999]

Hi guys,

as an incoming student heres my opinion.

When I first read the post, I thought it would actually be good, possibly dmonstrating the alternate route to becoming an MD and showing the life of a medical student at SGU so that people could truly understand the toughness of medical school, even if it is a foreign school, possibly increasing the publicity of the school and even opening up more doos for SGU students in the future in the US and Canada.

But after reading some of the posts, I have to say that if the show is going to be anything like The Hills and Laguna Beach I would not be for that. Liek everyone has said, these shows usually portray drama, sex, partying and rarely demontrate hard-work and dedication that most students cming to the island possess.

If they are infact going to do a show in a documetary style manner I would be for it, but the whole Laguna style thing, I would have to say I would definately not like that.

just my 2 cents..

[jaywalk81]

even if they say its "documentary" they can edit the footage and only show what the TV audience wants to watch, which is probably the sex and drama

[Cotterpin_Doozer]

.......oops

[Cotterpin_Doozer]

even if they say its "documentary" they can edit the footage and only show what the TV audience wants to watch, which is probably the sex and drama

in that case they wouldn't need to edit much. have you seen banana's on a friday night.

[jaywalk81]

in that case they wouldn't need to edit much. have you seen banana's on a friday night.
nope. but i guess that scene doesnt change much anyway

[ModernDayGilligan]

Who would be the Flava Flav of SGU?!

Any nominations?

[ModernDayGilligan]

Oh, snap! Even better, how will they squeeze a camera crew into a 2 door Escudo with a couple of students headed to Bananas?

[ModernDayGilligan]

Ha! 2x better! Green night-vision lovin' out near Black Sand Beach.

[Doc4Pets]

You know there has to be some common characters:

1. The full on flaming gay dude

2. The frat boy

3. The christian fundametalist

4. The "loose" chick or future candidate to be a single mother with baby daddy syndrome.

5. The redneck who eventually befriends the flaming gay dude

6. The alternative/goth/indie/emo or whatever is the fringe movement girl/guy

7. Token black guy

Now, those are the old characters, I'm sure we could think of some interesting characters here at SGU.

[RussianJoo]

DJ $IVA would have to play some kind of role on the show. I for one think this is bad not only for the school but also for the students, I mean if they're going to show drug use and sex and what not, what will happen when that person becomes a doc and one of his/hers patients recognizes them. Also I don't think a hospital would want the publicity of hiring that person. I say let a school like Saba do it, or some other school and if the show is done in a tasteful manor than they can shoot it at SGU the next season.

[alsharpton]

DJ $IVA would have to play some kind of role on the show. I for one think this is bad not only for the school but also for the students, I mean if they're going to show drug use and sex and what not, what will happen when that person becomes a doc and one of his/hers patients recognizes them. Also I don't think a hospital would want the publicity of hiring that person. I say let a school like Saba do it, or some other school and if the show is done in a tasteful manor than they can shoot it at SGU the next season.



russianjew--- did you go to leehi??? saw you in facebook

[summerwind]

Are they looking to do this docudrama at a number of caribbean schools (SGU,AUC and SGU) or are they going to choose one school? It would be interesting to see the differences between these schools.

[RussianJoo]

russianjew--- did you go to leehi??? saw you in facebook


yes i did.

[TheTallGuy]

The production company is looking at SGU, AUC, and SABA. They told SGA that they want to shoot at SGU, but that there would only be ONE school chosen.

[summerwind]

The production company is looking at SGU, AUC, and SABA. They told SGA that they want to shoot at SGU, but that there would only be ONE school chosen.

Thanks for answering my question. The students on the Saba forum seem to think that they will be shooting the docudrama at their school.

[TheTallGuy]

A new thread has been started on SGUTalk to collect student feedback. Please take time to let SGA know what you think.

[ScubaVa]

I have no idea why SGU would even consider allowing such a project. It's not like they need the extra publicity... enrollment is pretty much full for every entering class.

This show would almost certainly make the school look bad because it would focus on very "undoctorly" behavior. Imagine going to a residency interview coming from that "party school in Grenada." I was a production assistant for Laguna Beach one summer, and I know exactly what the producers go for. Personally, I will seriously rethink my decision to attend SGU this fall and attend another school. I hope those of you who want to graduate with a shred of credibility (which is hard to anyway being an IMG) will do the same.

[BCoop8184]

Bad idea. One of my friends is very close with a character from "Real World" key west, or whatever the thing was called when they were in Florida. According to her contract she was bound for several years and had to make all kinds of random appearances at events. She was also forced to do subsequent appearances on other MTV shows (real world vs road rules, I think it is called). She was forced to take a leave of absence from American University in Washington, DC in order to fulfill her contract. I don't believe the university should allow this to happen to any of its students. Besides the fact reality tv is a business that goes for the throat. If any tiny opportunity arises to portray anyone in a poor manner it will happen. It is what reality tv fans want to see and it is the only thing that keeps reality tv alive. This show is bound to destroy at least one person's reputation as well as the universities. No doubt in my mind.

[cavalletti]

So, tonight a meeting occurred with the administration and student government to discuss the feasibility of letting a Hollywood production company come in a make a "docu-drama" series, following selected students of the medical (possibly Vet and A&S) school. Please ask your SGA reps to explain what's going on and please let them know your feelings, pro or against. SGA has been told that their decision is pivotal for going forward or not, so it is imperative to let your reps know your opinions.

Will the SGA take a vote or will they base their decision on general response?

[RussianJoo]

What channel is this show going to be aired on? To be honest I find all this hard to believe.. I don't think this show will ever happen.

[TheTallGuy]

It would air on the Oxygen Channel.

[rokshana]

there is a thread on the sgu talk about this docu-drama and of the 10 responses on there all are negative.

there is evidently a meeting tomorrow with sga.

i would say if anyone feels strongly about this, you should go to the meeting

and if you are a clinical student - i would suggest going to the sgutalk thread and voice your opinion about it- this would not be good for us as we are getting ready to apply for residencies.

[beefy]

you guys are nuts
how can this not be a good thing
any publicity is good publicity, SGU reputation increases, so does ours as doctors ... you'd have to be naive to think that the administration would allow a show to come in and convey the school in a negative manner...obviously there will be hollywood-moments but they will not jeapordize the integrity of our education, because the Chancellor is a really smart guy.

just do it

peace

[Ishie1013]

Best case scenario: They show med school as it really is, no one watches it because it's dreadfully boring to watch people study and attend academic events (lectures, labs, DES sessions) for 90 percent of their lives, and the show either never airs or gets canceled in its first season.

More likely scenario: Hey! Bananas and vacations and scuba diving and partner swapping and hard drinking! EVERY braindead partier wants to come here!!!

I've got no problems being an IMG and I know I'll have to overcome some hurdles due to it. I'd prefer "Champion party school, as seen on MTV (or Oxygen, ***?)" not be one of them.

For docu drama that you *don't* have to invent, wouldn't following around people in their clinicals be more interesting?

[Cotterpin_Doozer]

yah and if they don't do it at sgu...they film at auc and saba...sgu will lose credibility anyway. everyone already groups all the caribbean schools together...sgu has been working so hard to stand out from the rest.

i think its a great idea, its just got to be closely monitored and the school and student body should be involved in the selection of the students who will be filmed.

[ScubaVa]

you guys are nuts
how can this not be a good thing
any publicity is good publicity, SGU reputation increases, so does ours as doctors ... you'd have to be naive to think that the administration would allow a show to come in and convey the school in a negative manner...obviously there will be hollywood-moments but they will not jeapordize the integrity of our education, because the Chancellor is a really smart guy.

just do it

peace

Beefy, think about it. How interesting would it be to watch a bunch of med students study? Or work in groups on prossected cadavers? Or do all the million and one mundane things that students who are serious about their education/careers do?

Instead the show will focus on a handful people, who are actually presented as characters instead of people, in a variety of compromising, controversial, and semi-scripted scenarios. The show will not be representative of the student body of SGU. The show will not be representative of the academic environment of the school. Worst of all, the show's depiction of SGU good or bad (probably bad) could follow you throughout your career.

Being raised in Los Angeles all my life, it sometimes suprises me how naive people can be about the whole glitz/glamour of the hollywood thing. Don't be naive.

[djhc]

what is sgu talk?

[stephew]

its not laguna whatever; its for the A&E or oxygen network (i forget which). B TW ther eis no such thing as "Docudrama". its either one or the other.

[TheTallGuy]

I tend to agree with ScubaVa, while the gentleman from Hollywood claimed to want to portray us in a good light, he made the following statement (please accept my paraphrase)

My story is about the underdog. It's about seeing people succeed. With that said, when that girl breaks up with her boyfriend because she's seeing someone else, we're so going to be there, and we're so going to tape it.

Makes me a tad skeptical. Then again, it's great to hear diverse opinions. Thanks.

[stephew]

you guys are nuts
how can this not be a good thing
any publicity is good publicity, SGU reputation increases, so does ours as doctors ... you'd have to be naive to think that the administration would allow a show to come in and convey the school in a negative manner...obviously there will be hollywood-moments but they will not jeapordize the integrity of our education, because the Chancellor is a really smart guy.

just do it

peace

you've got to be kidding. there are several ways this could play out poorly.

[TheTallGuy]

I assure you, it is for Oxygen network, via Go Go Lucky Productions. This is the same company that did Laguna Beach for MTV, by the way.

Also, (prompted by the above question) for those of you who do not know what SGUTalk is, it is a forum available to SGU students. From MYSGU, go to SGUTalk on the right. Navigate to the TrueBlue campus, and you will see the thread.

[Doc4Pets]

I think none of the caribbean med schools should do it... they should know that if even some crazy situation happens to make it big and is youtubed all over the world, ALL IMG students will be affected.

[RussianJoo]

yeah i think there's a reason for the network to come to carib med schools to film this show, and it's probably because US schools have already turned them down. Someone mentioned there was a similar show taped about a law student that hasn't aired yet. I think we should ask the network to see that show before agreeing to anything. Also if we draw up a contract that says that the school and the student body will not be seen in a negative light, and then define what we mean by negative light this will work for the schools advantage, but than again the network might not want to shoot a show like that, because it wouldn't get any rating. watching people study at the library is as much fun as watching paint dry.

Also I remember seeing a link on the SGU web page to an MTV clip a year or so ago. So MTV has already come down here and had an interview or something.

[Ishie1013]

I tend to agree with ScubaVa, while the gentleman from Hollywood claimed to want to portray us in a good light, he made the following statement (please accept my paraphrase)

My story is about the underdog. It's about seeing people succeed. With that said, when that girl breaks up with her boyfriend because she's seeing someone else, we're so going to be there, and we're so going to tape it.

Makes me a tad skeptical. Then again, it's great to hear diverse opinions. Thanks.

Feh. Figured.

If the learning channel or something wants to come do a show, I'd be more inclined to think about it, but this stuff?

If by some chance they do green light this awful idea, I'm already going to have to think of ways to incorporate 'please don't let this idiot show influence your decision on my qualifications' into my future application letters.

Fortunately, Sorority Life seems to have been boring enough that it didn't do that to UC Davis (though I don't think it really did us any favors either), but I REALLY don't want to try justifying attending club med school, nor be thought as one of the ubertramps with fourteen island hookups with the fiance waiting at home as would likely be popular?

[ScubaVa]

its not laguna whatever; its for the A&E or oxygen network (i forget which). B TW ther eis no such thing as "Docudrama". its either one or the other.

Steph, I can assure you that there is such a thing as a docudrama. It is a hybrid television show format that has developed in the recent years. Essentially, it proposes itself as a "documentary" without being bound by the confines of journalistic integrity. By this I mean certain key scenes are scripted, shot, and then re-shot for dramatic effect. Hence the term docu-drama.

[Cotterpin_Doozer]

ppl are being way too dramatic its not like its fox or cbs....survivor Grenada...the oxygen network? i've never even heard of that until now. probably because its more conservation/lame.

[seev99]

Hey,

This appears to be a really really awesome opportunity for SGU and the country of Grenada in general! First, of all the show has the opportunity to show pre-meds in the U.S. what SGU and Medical School is really like. In fact, it is kind of like this ValueMD forum, because it has the capacity to help the school in easing people's fears about what it's like going all the way to a Caribbean school and even what Med School is like in general. I mean isn't that what you all do here anyway. You talk about how people cheated in some Pathology exam last term or report rumors about violence, and on the flip side you also talk about great residency matches and good tips on how to study and resources for help at SGU.

So basically, the show has a similar freedom and capacity, on a greater scale, that this ValueMD forum has--essentially the democratic ability to show all perspectives about the school and student life and diversity here at SGU. Further, this school has so many great resources and has great new buildings coming up for the Fall.

It would be so cool for people to see what our medical school is like; the big lectures; the feeling of uneasiness in the first few Clinical Skills Patient Interview sessions; people's first reactions to Gross Anatomy and the overwhelming pace of medical school; people's first time away from home but suddenly making a lot of new diverse friends, the local fruit/vegetable market downtown on Saturdays; the volunteer groups that help tutor Local children; the Surgery Club shadowing in the local Hospital; the excitement of the White Coat Ceremony; the rush to make it to packed DES sessions just to learn as much as you can; the tension in the air the weekend before a big examination; the Dorm Room mysteries with water on campus not working on the first day of classes or the morning of a big exam; the teamwork in Histology student-driven presentation; the focus on Professionalism, Ethics, and Research Methods in Clinical Skills; the diversity of activities people do on Friday night's...including Studying till 3 am in the Pathology Lab or Bell Hall; the crazy-all night study sessions before big exams; and the rumors and drama that help keep this ValueMD message board keep running!

As you can see, this show can really capture much much more than just partying, such that the partying really balances the show and just shows the great social skills and well-roundedness of the student body here. It is actually a great experience to showcase the parties, because our parties incorporate every race and religion you can think of, socializing and enjoying each other's company side by side. In fact, the school is very responsible when it comes to parties...they take us to and from the parties in the large school buses, so that there is no drinking and driving.

And there are also people who don't drink and who are very health conscious on this campus; we have the ability to show medical students who actually care about health. Also, many of the parties are just fun parties with some sort of nice theme, like 80's night or Unity Ball. And people form great friendships here with people from all over the globe and across different age groups, that really this school in particular shows a great way of how society should work in general.

There are just so many things to the SGU and Med School experience that I think this show can be a great asset to us and our richly diverse community here, as well as a means to show prospective students and even parents and loved ones back home that we are indeed surviving and thriving here at SGU and in Grenada. Also, if there are any inadequacies of the campus or maintenance of the campus, like water shutting off or internet not working, they will probably be fixed in a much more quicker manner given that the cameras will be rolling.

Think about it, it has the positive power of ValueMD and much more. Also, it has the ability to gain a lot of income for the school to help give out more scholarships to needy students and more sponsorships even to get funding for school events like SandBlast. Think about it, there are obviously pros and cons, but I think that the show is going to happen at some medical school and that SGU should be the school, because of what makes us unique and a strong leader in the field of culturally-sensitive, globally focused medical education.

I personally would like to see more scholarships for incoming students at SGU and maybe even better lighting/maintenance on campus like on the walkway to the Library, and I think that the Chancellor would also welcome this type of positive externality from the show (because you have to have good lighting to film!). Anyways, I hope some of you can see some possible postive aspects to this, and even to your own broad SGU experiences, and have an optimistic outlook and have faith in the ability of SGU students and officials to present a welcoming view of the school. Thank you.

:dancepar:

[Andrew21]

ppl are being way too dramatic its not like its fox or cbs....survivor Grenada...the oxygen network? i've never even heard of that until now. probably because its more conservation/lame.

I'm not sure what you mean by "more conservation," I'm guessing you meant to say "conservative" (no clue why that equals lame). Oxygen is like lifetime, they plug themselves as being television for women.

[RussianJoo]

All they need is to show a party after exam week or the AMSA party or even Sandblast and this schools reputation is done. That and there are so many people that I know of that have bfs gfs or fiances at home and hook up or date people down here on the island. Once their significant others come to visit them all their friends have to pretend that the person was faithful to them. I have been asked at least 3 times by people i know not to say anything to their bf's from back home. A bunch of alcoholics and whores at this school

[rokshana]

A bunch of alcoholics and whores at this school

while NOT true - THIS is what will get projected- sex sells, infidelity sells (think temptation island), GoGo Lucky Production (just the name!!) projects a re geared toward this- don't be naive to think that this won't be the focus of the show.

[ScubaVa]

I get the Oxygen channel on my cable service. They have the most idiotic shows like "The Bad Girls Club" that shows a bunch of brainless strippers and ex-playmates living in a house together and the drama that ensues. This network is not what you'd expect from a "women's" network. Its really trashy (they play reruns of Xena to put things in perspective).

[RussianJoo]

This should be more of a men's network i would love to see the drama that goes on between ex-playmates (as long as they're still hot). I can just picture it now..
did you eat my cereal again Nikki? no, it wasn't me, Cookie! Well than who was it? and then there would be a pillow fight or better yet they have a pool filled with jello and they just fight in there..

Ohh what an awsome show!

[ScubaVa]

This should be more of a men's network i would love to see the drama that goes on between ex-playmates (as long as they're still hot). I can just picture it now..
did you eat my cereal again Nikki? no, it wasn't me, Cookie! Well than who was it? and then there would be a pillow fight or better yet they have a pool filled with jello and they just fight in there..

Ohh what an awsome show!

I totally agree. I'm actually kinda a fun of the show. Its really funny. But not so funny that I'd want my medical school involved in it.

[Ishie1013]

Wahoo!!!!

WTG, SGA!

[rokshana]

Wahoo!!!!

WTG, SGA!


want to elaborate?

[Ishie1013]

LOL, sorry. Biochemistry is kicking my butt tonight.

The vote was overwhelmingly "no" (though they sent the nonreps out of the room for it). I was really impressed with the students and reps tonight, minus some bickering.

Oh, and cool speech, TallGuy. Good points.

[TheTallGuy]

Hi Everyone,
The proposal to have a docu-drama made at SGU was soundly, yet not unanimously defeated. Thank you all very much for your contributions.

[Doc4Pets]

Hi Everyone,
The proposal to have a docu-drama made at SGU was soundly, yet not unanimously defeated. Thank you all very much for your contributions.

This is great news!

[jackbnimble]

All they need is to show a party after exam week or the AMSA party or even Sandblast and this schools reputation is done. That and there are so many people that I know of that have bfs gfs or fiances at home and hook up or date people down here on the island. Once their significant others come to visit them all their friends have to pretend that the person was faithful to them. I have been asked at least 3 times by people i know not to say anything to their bf's from back home. A bunch of alcoholics and whores at this school

You don't really think Caribb schools have a monopoly on parties do you? I went to a Catholic US medical school and much of that happened. I do find the Survivor Grenada analogies a bit sordid. At Gtwn many a med student, with gf/bf back home, hooked up with b/g undergrads--presumably unbeknownst to the distant party.

I do agree, filming at the wrong time would make it look like SOME continued the lifestyle that kept them from getting into a US school.

Don't worry most PDs will probably not be watching the show.

Jackb

[RussianJoo]

Name a US med schools that has school sponsored parties at least 2 times a week. I have many friends at US med schools and when I tell them about the parties and school sponsored events that serve alcohol some are shocked some are jealous. I mean the surgery club is starting to sell beer at the professor auction right now. As for the cheating that goes on here, I haven't even seen this much blatant cheating in undergrad. People pretty much say I have a bf or gf at home but hey do u want to go back to my place and fool around? Just today walking from lab I heard a girl say to one of her guy friends as they were walking down to glovers that she can't believe how big of a whore her roommate is. I am not one of those people that's prude or anything but I am disgusted by what goes on at this school. And to be honest I am glad i am seeing this first hand because I wouldn't see most of these people as a patient.

[domino9]

What does a person's sexual lifestyle have anything to do with his/her competency in the medical field? (Unless you became a doctor by sleeping around with professors or something and thereby don't know jack...)

[RussianJoo]

it's not the sleeping around it's just the cheating i guess is what bothers me. I guess I didn't make that clear enough... I just wouldn't be able to really trust someone who lies right into someones face or can do that to a person. I guess I am old fashioned?

[RussianJoo]

ohh and this school does party a lot. I used to go out like 4 or 5 days a week. well it was probably everyday when i used to live in Grand Beach. But I have changed my ways..

[rokshana]

What does a person's sexual lifestyle have anything to do with his/her competency in the medical field? (Unless you became a doctor by sleeping around with professors or something and thereby don't know jack...)

i don't think its as much the sexual lifestyle, but the rampant (and yes it is rampant)infidelity that goes on. There are many who think that since they are not on the same continent(or time zone) as their SO, that they are single again. I question the morals of a person like that and wonder about their judgement as a physician.

[domino9]

I don't know why I'm sticking up for "whores" but I still think they could make good doctors and do what's best for their patient. On the flip side, a non-whore could also make errors in judgment...

Personally, I wouldn't want to know what my doctor does in their private life. That's their life. As long as it doesn't affect me, the patient, why does it matter?

[rokshana]

I don't know why I'm sticking up for "whores" but I still think they could make good doctors and do what's best for their patient. On the flip side, a non-whore could also make errors in judgment...

Personally, I wouldn't want to know what my doctor does in their private life. That's their life. As long as it doesn't affect me, the patient, why does it matter?


so let me play devils advocate here- do you not think that it would be easy for someone who cheats on their spouse (or SO) to cross the line elsewhere? Including at work? Cheat on their billing? Alter medical records? Lie about treatment? Have patients undergo treatment or surgery that is unnecessary, just so they make money?

I mean they are lying to the person that is suppose to be one of the most important people in the world- what make you think they won't lie to their patients ?

The caliber of a person's character is very telling of the type of doctor they will become- willigness to lie, steal, and cheat in one aspect of life will eventually spill over to other areas.

[ScubaVa]

Wow... you guys are making the school sound pretty bad. Thanks for the honest though.

[rokshana]

Name a US med schools that has school sponsored parties at least 2 times a week.

i did my masters at a US med school and once a month, on a friday, they had POETS (it stood for Piss Off Everything Tomorrow's Saturday!!) and they served alcohol, had a weekend retreat to nags head once a semester, where alcohol was served every night at the dance, and a formal at the end of the semester where, again, alcohol was served and Match Day festivites generally started with mimosas in the 1st year lecture hall. All sponsored by the med school. There was even a wine tasting one year at the school to benefit a charity.

It would be one thing if it was at a school wher peopel were underaged, but in med school, most are over 21. There is nothing wrong with having alcohol when the party is for adults. How MUCH each particular adult drinks, well that IS up to them, isn't it?

[RussianJoo]

ok that's a lot of going out. my friends go to NYU med so i guess that school doesn't have as many parties.

and I have heard from them that many us med students not only at nyu but also at other med schools who hardly go out. I heard from friends who graduated undergrad before me that they went out once a month, they went to Hersey PA, Temple Med, UMDNJ, and Duke.

[PaddyMelt]

Wow... you guys are making the school sound pretty bad. Thanks for the honest though.

If you think the drama about the "Docu-drama" is bad, you should hear what is happening with regards to the current 4th term. The school has refused to give deadlines about when people can decide where they are going to live and no one in the administration has given any information whatsoever regarding what is going to happen next term.

If you are seriously considering coming to this school, you should ask some questions about the problems with St. Vincent and the problems that this administration has about making real decisions!

[RussianJoo]

What are you talking about? we have two options stay in GND or go to SVG. I think it's great that there are no dead lines that means someone can change their mind the last second and there will be a place for him or her on either island. The school is spending twice as much money to give us this option, and it took them a couple of weeks after the incident to come up with this option. I think it's great! and the school did an excellent job at dealing with this, and truly has shown how much they care about their students.

[jaywalk81]

while i see the point of the chancellor not pressuring the students by not giving any deadlines, i think a deadline should still be given, what if let say right before class starts all the students decide to come back to gnd?
and i think some students are frustrated and cant make up their mind b/c we dont know where the professors will be. chancellor did mention the possibility of bringing the prof over if most of the class stays in gnd. if that is the case, why the heck would i be at st vincent? i think the students that have decided to stay in gnd needs to know and understand that the educational program is officially in st vincent, and their decisionn of staying in gnd is a tradeoff for the sake of safety. that way the students who have chosen to continue to st vincent doesnt have to suffer b/c they have chosen to continue to go on to st vincent.

[cavalletti]

while i see the point of the chancellor not pressuring the students by not giving any deadlines, i think a deadline should still be given, what if let say right before class starts all the students decide to come back to gnd?
and i think some students are frustrated and cant make up their mind b/c we dont know where the professors will be. chancellor did mention the possibility of bringing the prof over if most of the class stays in gnd. if that is the case, why the heck would i be at st vincent? i think the students that have decided to stay in gnd needs to know and understand that the educational program is officially in st vincent, and their decisionn of staying in gnd is a tradeoff for the sake of safety. that way the students who have chosen to continue to st vincent doesnt have to suffer b/c they have chosen to continue to go on to st vincent.

These are valid concerns. Why not ask the Chancellor directly via SGU talk. Let us know what his response is.

[domino9]

I mean they are lying to the person that is suppose to be one of the most important people in the world


You're assuming. Not everyone has the same perspective towards romantic relationships. That doesn't necessarily mean they will make bad doctors.

[RussianJoo]

while i see the point of the chancellor not pressuring the students by not giving any deadlines, i think a deadline should still be given, what if let say right before class starts all the students decide to come back to gnd?
and i think some students are frustrated and cant make up their mind b/c we dont know where the professors will be. chancellor did mention the possibility of bringing the prof over if most of the class stays in gnd. if that is the case, why the heck would i be at st vincent? i think the students that have decided to stay in gnd needs to know and understand that the educational program is officially in st vincent, and their decisionn of staying in gnd is a tradeoff for the sake of safety. that way the students who have chosen to continue to st vincent doesnt have to suffer b/c they have chosen to continue to go on to st vincent.

I think people know that the SVG is the main program I mean, the GND program is just starting. The chancellor said that he'll have most of the live lectures in the place where there are most students. And from what I am seeing and hearing is going to be in GND. But that doesn't mean that he'll fly the clinical tutors and docs that teach us during hospital rotations over to GND. He'll just hire more clinical tutors and set up sites in GND equal to those in SVG. I personally could care less if I have to watch most of my lectures on my lap top. I rarely ask q's after lecture I think the clinical part of the SVG program is a lot more important than the lectures. I think it's more established and hence better in SVG and that's my main reason for going to SVG. The chancellor himself said that the GND program is going to be brand new. But I wouldn't be surprised if only about 100 students went to SVG next term.

I hope they post the result of their survey.

[rokshana]

You're assuming. Not everyone has the same perspective towards romantic relationships. That doesn't necessarily mean they will make bad doctors.


if i'm assuming that when you get married that you are choosing that one person, forsaking all others.... well, then i guess i am- but then why would you get married if monogamy isn't part of the package? I think there are very few who would say that monogamy isn't a big part of marriage.

but even if say they do have an "open" marriage (they are for some reaason living in the '60s), why would they act all perfect when their spouse comes down to gnd? If they aren't TELLING their spouse, then there is something up.

[cavalletti]

I hope they post the result of their survey.

Are they taking a survey to see who plans to go to St Vincent?

[PaddyMelt]

What are you talking about? we have two options stay in GND or go to SVG. I think it's great that there are no dead lines that means someone can change their mind the last second and there will be a place for him or her on either island. The school is spending twice as much money to give us this option, and it took them a couple of weeks after the incident to come up with this option. I think it's great! and the school did an excellent job at dealing with this, and truly has shown how much they care about their students.

Yea, we have options, but the chancellor specifically said that they would have the live lectures in SV b/c thats where he expected the majority of the students to be going. The fact that it looks like the majority of the students will be staying means that he could very easily change his mind.

He keeps ducking the question on SGUTalk and I see no reason why he will start answering questions anytime soon since he clearly has shown that he will always ride the fence regardless of how it affects students.

[RussianJoo]

I really think he'll have more live lectures in the location where there are more students. He assumed it would be SVG but after the survey closes this saturday he'll know that it's not the case. and then i am sure he'll make another announcement. he just needs to see what people are going to do. but I know that most people are looking or have already gotten off campus apts here in GND. He also did mention that the university club has just undergone expansion and so there will be more visiting profs. so it could easily be that we might have different profs as well? no one really knows 100% what's going to happen and how things will work out, I think that also factors into why i am going to vinnies this program is already established.

[RussianJoo]

But i know many students who are staying in GND and they're not worried at all about what's going to happen with them.. So I guess people have confidence in the chancellor.

[cavalletti]

Yea, we have options, but the chancellor specifically said that they would have the live lectures in SV b/c thats where he expected the majority of the students to be going. The fact that it looks like the majority of the students will be staying means that he could very easily change his mind.

He keeps ducking the question on SGUTalk and I see no reason why he will start answering questions anytime soon since he clearly has shown that he will always ride the fence regardless of how it affects students.

I must disagree with Paddymelt. The Chancellor acted very quickly and decisively in dealing with this crisis at great expense to the school and continues to avail himself to students via SGUtalk.

[Doc4Pets]

Back on topic: We were forwarded an email that was sent by agent M to the SGA and it basically was the official decision that was made. However, something interesting that caught my attention was that the dean said that he actually heard the proposal of the production company and was IN FAVOR of having the docu-drama (reality show) being filmed here on SGU.

He basically said that his vote was in favor of having the reality show but allowed the SGA to have veto power. And it was because the SGA voted "no" on this issue that we will not be featured in the reality show.

Also, it was interesting that the dean said that the producers of the planned show, were the geniuses behing "America's Hottest Mom". Kind of interesting to know how our dean felt about the purposed show.

[jackbnimble]

Name a US med schools that has school sponsored parties at least 2 times a week.

In that case, I stand corrected. We would have school sponsored parties, once a semester. Class officer sponsored parties monthly, and class parties every 2-4 weeks--after a big test. There is so much else to do, that attendance is very poor especially at the class parties.


And to be honest I am glad i am seeing this first hand because I wouldn't see most of these people as a patient.

You have expressed an unwillingness to see other folks before. You might want to go into private practice to be sure you are able to pre-screen your patients as you intimate. In other practicing situations, your position might be misunderstood and problematic.

[summerwind]

Yea, we have options, but the chancellor specifically said that they would have the live lectures in SV b/c thats where he expected the majority of the students to be going. The fact that it looks like the majority of the students will be staying means that he could very easily change his mind.

He keeps ducking the question on SGUTalk and I see no reason why he will start answering questions anytime soon since he clearly has shown that he will always ride the fence regardless of how it affects students.

It is a SGU strength that the Chancellor is flexible enough to deal with situations as they develop instead of making a proclamation before all the facts are in.

The purpose of SGU talk was to give the students a venue to tell the Chancellor how they felt. He personally answered each e-mail. This sort of concern and connection with the student body is unheard of in any other school.

[RussianJoo]

You have expressed an unwillingness to see other folks before. You might want to go into private practice to be sure you are able to pre-screen your patients as you intimate. In other practicing situations, your position might be misunderstood and problematic.

No I meant if I was a patient I wouldn't go to those docs, but would seek out a different doc. Not that I wouldn't help patients that acted in this way. I could careless what my patients do or how they act as long as they pay their medical bills.

[RussianJoo]

Are they taking a survey to see who plans to go to St Vincent?


The school put out a survey just to see how many people are going or staying. the survey is going to close saturday i believe. From what I heard from the SVG class president JK as of yesterday only about 250 or so students voted and out of those that voted about 40 students said they were going to SVG. Thus I wouldn't expect more than 80 people to go to SVG next term.

[ZnS3104ever]

I think that doing a reality type show here at SGU would not be the smartest thing to do. I am sure that it would interfere with our school work. There are alot of people always causing and wanting drama. So having cameras around would just cause chaos. If someone did want to be involved in a reality show then perhaps after their education they can figure something out, but as for now, this is medical school.

[RussianJoo]

thank you for your comment but you're a little late. this topic has been voted on and long forgotten.

[ZnS3104ever]

lol yes I know it has been voted on but sorry didn't know the topic actually changed!:)

[RussianJoo]

I guess I kind of Hi-Jacked this thread. sorry

[domino9]

It's what you always do. Don't worry, we're getting used to it.