What is a green book hospital?

[ducman]

Thank you so much for this enlightenment!

[stephew]

you want to do all your rotations in programs that have ACGME licensure. These are "green book listed". s

[studentMD]

acgme book that lists all the programs is actually the color green.. thats how the name "greenbook" came about

[ducman]

Has been a great help.

[FutureDoc23]

what is considered "greenbook" in the UK? Will there be licensing issues if
rotations are done at UK "greenbook" and US ACGME sites only?
Thanks.

[neilc]

what is considered "greenbook" in the UK? Will there be licensing issues if
rotations are done at UK "greenbook" and US ACGME sites only?
Thanks.

international rotations that are completed in hospitals that are affiliated with medical schools in that country are typically considered greenbook as well.

for example, my rotations that i complete in prague are all done in the University hospitals for Charles Univ. so, they are all greenbook. if i went to some boondock hospital in the Czech countryside that had no affiliation with any medical school in the Czech Rep. that woul likely not count as greenbook.

so, basically, you are good to go if you do your rotations in teaching hospitals in any country that has them.

[studentMD]

any rotation done outside of the united states is considered greenbook..
even if its some "boondock" place

[neilc]

any rotation done outside of the united states is considered greenbook..
even if its some "boondock" place

where did you get this information? i actually am pretty sure this is not true, at least not in all states. remember, each state defines what is required on rotations, so some may require different things. i am not positive, but just pretty sure that california specifically requires a teaching affiliation.

this is a good example of something to be careful with.

[stephew]

any rotation done outside of the united states is considered greenbook..
even if its some "boondock" place

where did you get this information? i actually am pretty sure this is not true, at least not in all states. remember, each state defines what is required on rotations, so some may require different things. i am not positive, but just pretty sure that california specifically requires a teaching affiliation.

this is a good example of something to be careful with.
I agree- This is unlikely the case. While its true that some elective like "third world" med etc might be given credit though they are not at formal teaching hosptials, I wouldnt make this generalization in any way shape or form. be very careful and wary here!

[neilc]

well, i went to california's rules, and couldn't even figure out where to look. so then i tried PA, knowing that it is a picky state and found this:

(b) An applicant who is a graduate of an unaccredited medical college, who files an application for a license after December 31, 1988—the application is not considered filed with the Board until it is complete—shall, in addition to satisfying the requirements in subsection (a), have completed:

(1) Four academic years totaling at least 32 months and 4,000 hours of instruction in medical curriculum. Regular attendance shall be verified. Credit will not be given toward this requirement for instruction obtained in other than an accredited or unaccredited medical college, except for clinical rotations assigned under the auspices of the medical college in which the applicant was enrolled while participating in the clinical rotations.

(2) Seventy-two weeks of clinical rotations in an institution which has a graduate medical training program in the clinical area for which credit is sought, or, if the institution is not within the United States, is either a part of a medical college or has a formal affiliation with a medical college


so, it seems clear that PA requires there to be a medical school affiliation to accept international clinical rotations...i would bet that this is pretty standard, if i was able to find it in the second state i looked at. but it is also a pretty easy requirement to meet.

[studentMD]

medical school affiliation still does not mean there is a residency program in that particular speciality there.. which is what acgme approved means...(ie having a medical school affiliation does not equal greenbook)

while i agree its state specific.. i dont believe they are as specific and nit picky about acgme like criteria for foreign rotations.. i do know there are rules like rotations have to be actual clinical HANDS ON rotations...

im gonna have to dig through some of my stuff to see where i first read this.. but a heads up it will be about a mth or so because im busy with step 2 stuff and its gonna require some work tryin to find where i put it..

that being said.. like was mentioned above.. CALL THE STATE(S) you are interested in and MAKE SURE your rotations would be accepted for their licensing requirements.. its easy to do this ahead of time.. but dealing with the aftermath of unapproved clinicals is horrible at a minimum...