I have cried for 3 days !!

[StillTrying]

I applied to a few Caribbean medicals schools and decided to go to Spartan. I thought it seems like a good school....it has been around since 1980, has a lot of current practicing doctors, its only 4 semesters (shorter), and its a lot cheaper !!
But ever since I told my friends and family...everyone is so negative.

All I hear is that if I don't go to one of the Big 4 schools...than I will have problems. Everyone says I will have a harder time in clinicals and getting
residency where I want...or that all top picks go to US students.....and that in the long run the constant struggle will not be worth it and everyone will look down on me being a Spartan graduate.

They also said what kind of school does not list the clinical hospitals available for clinicals ?? plus...they do not even show you housing options or pictures ?? I looked on the website and that seems true !

I was sooooo excited about getting the chance to be an MD and now I am so upset and do not know what to do.
Can anyone help with some positive things ??
Should I really consider another school ??
Is the stigma really that bad from other doctors or when trying to get in Residency ??

Freaked Out !!!

[stephew]

have you applied to noly one school?

[dt]

Take a look at this thread:

http://www.valuemd.com/spartan-medical-school/133081-states-spartan-can-practice.html

[tpw2k]

my brother goes to spartan and he doesn't really have anything negative to say about the school. You work hard, you will be an MD and will be able to practice in ~40 states. Once your in residency, stigma means nothing.

[Island M.D]

Hey!! Do not be freaked out! What other schools did you apply to and get accepted to? You should at least try to apply to as many carib/offshore schools are you can and then go from there. To be honest, Spartan was the first one I applied to because I wanted to know that I can AT LEAST get into one medical school! They were also the first ones that accepted me. I had just gotten rejected from Ross a week before and having ANY kind of reassurance helped me get through that tough time (since I had my heart set on Ross for like two years!).

I then applied to other schools....St.Eustatuis, St.James, Mua-Nevis, and St.Matthews. With my stats, I didn't think I was going to get into St.matthews, because when I went to their website, it seemed like such an established school and their requirements were stricter than the other schools. I had gotten into all of these schools except for MUA-Nevis. I think it was because their class size is so small and they can only take a certain number of people/semester. After a bunch of research, I chose to go to SMU and I am putting my seat deposit in this week.

As far as the research I have done with Spartan, it has been around as long as Ross, and it will get you to where you need to be. I know that you have to work a little bit harder b/c some of the profs are old school and might not prepare you that well for the boards. But I do know of a lot of ppl coming out of that school doing exceptionally well in the States b/c they worked their butt off at Spartan. When I was getting my physical to have my doctor fill out the Spartan health form (which was a little embarrasing b/c the name of their school wasn't even spelled right on the form!)...I had asked my doctor (who is at Kaiser Oakland) if she has heard of Spartan, and she said yes. The fact that Spartan has been around for so long and doctors knowing of that school is a good thing. Should I have said St.matthews, she probably would have said no because it is a fairly new Carib med school and hasn't had a long history of grads.

I will tell you one thing though...if you can get into any other school (I was highly considering St.Eustatuis---you will get into there as long as you have above i am guessing a 2.5-2.6 (I had a 2.8), good personal statement, Letters of reccs, and an mcat around 20--actually i dont even think they require an MCAT--but after some extensive research, I realized that Statia was not for me since I had cancer and will be needing repeat blood tests and also i have a heart condition that may require medical attention that Statia does not readily provide (Talk to the dean of clinical medicine, pm me if you need his name and number)---St.Eustatuis has excellent clinical placement back into the states, check out their list of hospital affilitates (and a good student support system as far as mentoring etc), and that def has a part in getting a good residency).

I also know of people who have transferred out of the "big 4" schools into Spartan and the cheaper schools (St.james is also very cheap like Spartan but located on a better island, Bonaire) just because it was 1/3 of the price of the big schools and as long as you work hard, it will get you to probably the same clinical hospitals as the big schools, and if you put yourself out there enough, get you into the same spot residencies as other carib grads. (In the U.S, most ppl view Carib graduates ALL the same, regardless of what school you went to). I would say, apply to other schools and figure out which one is best for you.

As far as Spartans seat deposit deadline, don't feel rushed or pressured in any way....i had talked to the admissions director, and you DON'T have to pay by the deadline, you can pay whenever you want, but your spot will not be guaranteed. If you are thinking about the Sept. class, I'm sure you won't have to worry about seats filling up anytime soon.

As far as Spartan not having a very nice website or clinical sites/housing options available....thats because students will be calling the hospitals that the Spartan grads to go and it will look bad on Spartans part (students might say, well i heard that Spartan etc etc)...so they would rather keep it confidential and save themselves from any further bad reps and affiliations with hospitals in the states. Housing varies from semester to semester and they do not have set housing (res halls etc) that they can show online. I'm sure when you go to the island, you have to set something up with the landlords there.

As somebody once told me....YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. You are paying the cheapest amount to go there, so don't expect them to be professional with things as far as investing money and their time into recruitment (when I would call the school, they didn't even answer the phone with "spartan health sciences school of medicine" they simply said "hello"....same thing with St.James)...this kindof worried me, as you should be feeling as if you are receiving the best medical education, since your life and future sort of depends on it!!

I would say keep Spartan in your file, but start making files for other schools that have a little better accredidation status and reputation. Spartan has been around for 20+ years but seems to be the slowest moving and growing school out there. St.matthews and AUA have only been around for two to three years but they are soon to be up to the same level (accredidation wise--already receiving NY and Florida approval with Cali on the way...this says a lot about the school) with some of the bigger schools like St.Georges and Ross. Don't limit your options, and you want to make sure that you won't regret anything in the long run. Choose wisely, and once you do make up your mind, tackle it head on, and don't second guess your choice. You have time....Spartan isn't the only school that will accept you.

[DRDRWMD]

I would apply to multiple schools as well and also go through the threads about the given schools. Hopefully you can see the opinions of both the disgruntled students as well as the cheerleaders and extrapolate what problems you may forsee in the future. I would also evaluate what specialty and what state you want to wind up living in when you are ready to practice medicine. Also remember that you get out what you put into your education. As one doctor told me, "You can get where you want to go, it will just be harder as a foreign grad." My final word of advice is to find a doctor practicing who went to that school and get advice from them. I learned much of what to expect from students who went through it before me. In the end, each student is the one with his/her degree and/or debt.

[StillTrying]

My problem is I have not taken the MCAT so I applied to some of the next best schools...Spartan (accepted), St. Eustatius (accepted), St. James & AUA (interviewing).
I just thought Spartan had a lot of positives...and much cheaper.

It is just discouraging because there are so many negative comments about almost every school. It is just scary worrying about spending so much time and money....hoping you are picking a good school.

I truly feel students that go to the Caribbean should be treated as well as US students. Does it really matter what school you attend ??
I mean everyone who wants to be an MD has to take the USMLE tests and etc....and pass them !! You would think that would weed out any par student (regardless of what school they attended)

Doesn't it come down to you ?? Does the school truly matter ??

I just do not know who to believe on these websites ?? Some people will scare you with some of the things they say. I wish more graduates would
comment and help set the record straight. It seems there are so few people to talk to about each school.

The last thing I want to do is spend thousands of dollars and 4 years of my life...and then not be able to practice medicine !!!
I also do not want to be considered a "joke" when looked at by other students or physicians. I do not want to have to "settle" for anything....this is what I have dreamed about my whole life.

I just do not understand why Caribbean students are looked at as sub-par...especially after working your butt off for 4 years !! The school work appears so similar to US schools... it is extremely difficult and demanding.
I mean...where is the respect ?? ya know ??

I just want to work hard and make the right decision...you guys are great...and I appreciate the responses so much !!!

[ASIANDOC]

Spartan used to list its affiliated hospital but few years ago a well planned article to destroy the reputation of all carribean schools[including the big 3 as per banned map] and its author as well as few other people called such hospitals and started to attack the school and alleging that they have 4 classrooms etc,many without confirming the info and to avoid PR headache terminated the contracts,I was one of the few people that called the MIN of Health and they denied the allegations[students not allowed clinicals or license on the Island...when the deputy min of health is admin with the school1!.]and also got copy of recent catalogue and the campus has 7 medium to large size buildings in a gated campus with large # of staff and facultyif each buildig has only 4 rooms classrooms then you do the math]
Also based on my internet search,I easily can identify over 300 licensed grads everywhere but the school website list few just because the alumni must sign a form and permission to allow school to list their names but few return the form.
I do feel sorry for this school because they have probably more licensed grads than most newer schools and the grads excelling in their careers simply because of the bad publicity they must overcome this with exceptional performance.
I believe its education is acceptable to say the least simply because hundreds of grads can't get to top places by their looks or luck!!!!!!and never believe anyone who tells you exams and residency is easy and anyone can do it because is so tell them to try getting to Harvard!!!

just my opinion and feedback.

[tpw2k]

USMLE is the great equalizer regardless of the school. Just do well on that and you will be eligible to practice in the US.

[StillTrying]

For some reason I have been a fan of Spartan...but I do agree with what others are saying??
why are they not trying to get other states Approval like NY ?

They do not seem very aggressive...and that is what worries me.
Even their website seems old and out-dated.

They could do so much more than they do...I mean they should have the most licensed graduates...and current doctors of all the schools...since they have been open since 1980 !!

Look at AUA...heck...they will have a new 25 million dollar school....and now they have NY Approval..and they have only been around since 2001.

Me personally, I do not care about a new building...or even NY approval because I do not want to practice there...but it shows they are aggressively trying to get better and grow.
Even St James has (or is ?) applying for NY approval.

I really thought Spartan was where I wanted to go...but people are swaying my opinions.

Thanks again...you guys are the BEST !! I made a promise..that whatever school I chose....I am going to make sure I get back on this website and talk more about the positives and really try to help others make good decisions.

You would think more Caribbean students would ban together to promote the Caribbean and how you can get still get a good education...than constantly bashing each other...it only hurts all of us in the long run !!

:roll: :) :D

[StillTrying]

Dt- thanks for the link !

BeesleyDoc- thanks for the great advice. Looks like you made a great choice of schools for you ! Stay healthy

DRDRWMD- Love that quote…very encouraging.

ASIANDOC- thanks for the explanation about clinical sites, I just got a little
worried that I would end up in Wisconsin or North Dakota (ha ha), hospitals that are very far away from my family......all the other schools seem to list their affiliated hospitals...so I was a little concerned.

[specialknyc]

hey, Spartan is a great school. The bottom line is nomatter where you go if you want to be a doctor and work hard you will make it. Spartan is one of the oldest carib. schools around... they never toot their own horn when they do something right or wrong... Their tuition is low so so they dont spend money on maintaining an expensive business level website. Life on the island is great, and the school is well established in both the local community and as an international school. The school has well over 1000 (off the top of my head I think its near 2000 or more) graduates, one of whome is a nobel peace prize winner (I am fairly sure of this although he may have only been selected as a candidate... but I think he was a recipient of one). The school is an excellent choice. Unlike Ross, st. mathews, St. georges, aua and st. eustacious as well as others, the school maintains small class sizes, around 20-30 versers the well over 400 I hear go to roos or the many that are thrown into classes at aua etc...
The profesors are great, always available to the point that you can call them at home if you need any help, or are having any problems. The students are all very friendly and welcoming. In all honesty I would chose this school over any other school in the carib. just on the things I have mentioned so far. Good luck to you. One thing I have heard from doctor after doctor (us grad and foreign alike) is what do you call the foreign medical student graduate?

Doctor!

Good Luck and sorry if there are any typos .. time is a luxury here

[Sebastian85]

Well, the only thing that I can add; is, you should not worry about what anyone has to say about these schools. If people can only say things that have no merit towards you or your medical education, then their comments are dismisable.

On another note, once you get down there, whether it be Spartan, or any other school you choose, you will quickly develop a repitoire of friends, with other students and professers. You will realize that you are not alone, that many people were plagued with self doubt, and constant worrisome. Eventually, you will get in the swing of things, and will no longer focus on where are going to school, but rather, how much closer you are to becoming a doctor.

Finally, remember "Stilltrying", that this whole journey should be a lot of work, but it should also be enjoyed. So, when you do choose to go Spartan, or any other school, study hard but also have fun, and you should be fine.

[StillTrying]

Specialknyc and Sebastian85-

You both made some wonderful points...this is supposed to be an exciting time in my life and I need to get excited instead of worrying so much !
I know I can work hard no matter what school I go to...and that I can be a great doctor. It is just being scared of the unknown. I just need to find the school where I feel most comfortable.

Thanks so much for helping me not lose sight of that.
You are right...its all up to me ! I am sure if I study hard, score high on my USMLE tests, and prove my dedication...I can have one of my top choices for Residency....and a great future.

I needed some encouragement...thanks again ! :p

[dt]

...
The school has well over 1000 (off the top of my head I think its near 2000 or more) graduates, one of whome is a nobel peace prize winner (I am fairly sure of this although he may have only been selected as a candidate... but I think he was a recipient of one). ...

Comment in bold is completely wrong. This doctor was found to have embellished his accomplishment. His first name is Se** (I think).

This issue was put to rest awhile back. Do a search on valuemd in the Spartan forum.

[clinical1]

No reason to cry, they'll be people throwing roadblocks at your goals all along the way, you just need to climb over them.

Do yourself a favor though. Study hard and take the MCAT. With hard work and focused study you can do well which will open doors. Don't limit yourself to Spartan, St. James, St. Eustasius, AUA, or other lesser known caribbean schools.

Consider your MCAT studying and the test as training for medical school, because the reality is medical school requires long hours of study and many tests.

Then apply to some US schools, and some top Caribbean schools, Ross, SGU, and AUC.

And stop crying, it'll be hard to study with blurry vision.

[stephew]

you will need to differentiate between people "bashing" versus providing very valuable feedback that may indeed cast a shadown on a school. rather than try to debate the points of any given school i think its best for a new prospective to consider the following
1) can you practice in the states you want from a given school?
2) what is the boards pass rate and
3) what percent of the incoming class MAKE it to the boards WITH their class. (ie dont fall back, decel, fail, drop out)
4) what sort of residencies do peolpe get from the school and in what tier programs?
5) if 1-4 meet your needs for a given school then consider the island, cost lifestyle etc.

A few caveats- yes which school you go to can matter; program directors are people with personal preference and a well established place with good rep among the PDs makes a difference
Also yes the pass rate does matter. some assume a poor pass rate merely means poor student screening. Poor student screening is a issue (and should give you pause..will you be one of the students not likely to be bale to pass your boards but the school doesnt care if you waste time and money to find out?) It also reflects poor teaching and organization. The students I teach at harvard are so bright, they dont really need great teaching. The students who wind up off shore tend to be EXACTLY those folks who make or break with decent teaching. If you think it doesnt matter, ask why youre applying to an offshore school to begin with.

These are good beginner questions to ruminate on. good luck.

[saadz82]

For some reason I have been a fan of Spartan...but I do agree with what others are saying??
why are they not trying to get other states Approval like NY ?

They do not seem very aggressive...and that is what worries me.
Even their website seems old and out-dated.

They could do so much more than they do...I mean they should have the most licensed graduates...and current doctors of all the schools...since they have been open since 1980 !!

Look at AUA...heck...they will have a new 25 million dollar school....and now they have NY Approval..and they have only been around since 2001.

Me personally, I do not care about a new building...or even NY approval because I do not want to practice there...but it shows they are aggressively trying to get better and grow.
Even St James has (or is ?) applying for NY approval.

I really thought Spartan was where I wanted to go...but people are swaying my opinions.

Thanks again...you guys are the BEST !! I made a promise..that whatever school I chose....I am going to make sure I get back on this website and talk more about the positives and really try to help others make good decisions.

You would think more Caribbean students would ban together to promote the Caribbean and how you can get still get a good education...than constantly bashing each other...it only hurts all of us in the long run !!

:roll: :) :D

try xavier as well, good school.... new but good.... also i would say to give mcats so you have your options open, what if you score decent and get into a us school nothing better then that.... :D

[pej82]

everyone needs to chill!

Its a good school and YOU make of your own education what it is, no matter where you go!
So... relax and see everyone in May

[wasselm]

Comment in bold is completely wrong. This doctor was found to have embellished his accomplishment. His first name is Se** (I think).

This issue was put to rest awhile back. Do a search on valuemd in the Spartan forum.

In a search on yahoo i have found this:
among its achievements Spartan can boast a Nobel Prize Winner in the person of Dr S*** T******, an alumni who won a Nobel Prize in 1999 as part of a team of Doctors Without Borders who provided care to persons in need around the world.

[ME2bMD]

Every thought in our mind confirms the other trillions of thoughts in our mind while giving birth to a potential new thought, a new direction, and a new course of action. From this seed comes the birth of our choices which flower when we act. What you think is who u are and what you do confirms that with every choice that is acted upon.

[dt]

In a search on yahoo i have found this:
among its achievements Spartan can boast a Nobel Prize Winner in the person of Dr S****T******, an alumni who won a Nobel Prize in 1999 as part of a team of Doctors Without Borders who provided care to persons in need around the world.


Yes, that's him. It turns out that he did not get a Nobel Prize nor was he with Doctors Without Borders. You can go to the respective websites to confirm. And there were newspaper articles about him when the hoax was exposed.

Anyways, old news...

[wisdom76]

I applied to a few Caribbean medicals schools and decided to go to Spartan. I thought it seems like a good school....it has been around since 1980, has a lot of current practicing doctors, its only 4 semesters (shorter), and its a lot cheaper !!
But ever since I told my friends and family...everyone is so negative.

All I hear is that if I don't go to one of the Big 4 schools...than I will have problems. Everyone says I will have a harder time in clinicals and getting
residency where I want...or that all top picks go to US students.....and that in the long run the constant struggle will not be worth it and everyone will look down on me being a Spartan graduate.

They also said what kind of school does not list the clinical hospitals available for clinicals ?? plus...they do not even show you housing options or pictures ?? I looked on the website and that seems true !

I was sooooo excited about getting the chance to be an MD and now I am so upset and do not know what to do.
Can anyone help with some positive things ??
Should I really consider another school ??
Is the stigma really that bad from other doctors or when trying to get in Residency ??

Freaked Out !!!

No body cares where you get your MD from.......IMG are smarter than the average US grad

[stephew]

please do a search on the this topic. the individual did NOT win a nobel prize. the organization he belonged to did. that's like me claiming I'm a multiple prize winner because i work at harvard and harvard has won multiple prizes.

[azskeptic]

please do a search on the this topic. the individual did NOT win a nobel prize. the organization he belonged to did. that's like me claiming I'm a multiple prize winner because i work at harvard and harvard has won multiple prizes. The organization also said they didn't know the guy.

[cahsu2005]

I am currently a student here.
There are both good and bad here like most schools. There are many hurdles but the bottom line is that you are able to become a doctor if that is what you wish to do. It is extremely hard work, but Spartan is one of many caribbean schools that give you the opportunity to sit for the STEP 1 without MCAT scores. Also, the Step 1 is the equalizer to compare yourself to US students.
There are rumors that people look down at you coming from a Caribbean school and it is true in many cases, but once in clinicals all they understand is that you have passed the step 1.
Residency is another story, and they do accept US students first usually, but if you are well qualified, you will not have trouble finding a match - just study hard and get great USMLE scores.

Spartan is inexpensive, and does the same job as the other schools, that is why I came here. You have to work hard at any school - but Spartan's downfall is that much of the professors do not teach well and they have lost some amazing professors to other schools. This does not mean that if you work hard you will not make it. Your success is up to how much you are willing to sacrifice - you have all the materials to succeed just pick a school and go with it all the way and don't look back. In the end you will become a doctor if you persevere.

[cahsu2005]

I will have to look into this Nobel Prize guy....I have heard of him from the school and didn't know if the story is false - I have always assumed the truth in it.

If I don't find anything oh well, if I do find something, ok then.

In the end, I'm still on my way to becoming a doctor, no regrets.

[sukhtinder]

my good friend started at spartanwhen i started at ross. neither of us ever repeated a semester and passed all steps the 1st time.

he's now in the southeast making $$350k, and graduated a yr before me. youll be fine at spartan unless u wanna goto CA.

[iaustudent06]

youll be fine at spartan unless u wanna goto CA.

or indiana Medical Licensing Board of Indiana (http://www.in.gov/pla/bandc/mlbi/)
or texas THECB > Academic Affairs and Research > Private Colleges and Institutes > Fraudulent Institutions (http://www.thecb.state.tx.us/AAR/PrivateInstitutions/NoTX.cfm)

[Seminole]

Who puts their real picture on a pub forum, i know that guy. lol What a nerd.

[ASIANDOC]

or indiana Medical Licensing Board of Indiana (http://www.in.gov/pla/bandc/mlbi/)
or texas THECB > Academic Affairs and Research > Private Colleges and Institutes > Fraudulent Institutions (http://www.thecb.state.tx.us/AAR/PrivateInstitutions/NoTX.cfm)


Spartan has so many graduates practicing in Texas,and as recently as few months ago few get licensed and joined Texas best hospitals [Texas Children,also Texas Tech Uni Hosp],they already had licensed grads with Baylor/SW med school and Texas A & M Uni hospitals,so Spartan grads not only practicing in Texas but in the best centers with clean records.[as per internet search and Tx board website].
the list above "Fradulent institution" refers to institutions alleging operating ln Texas but not actually Texas campuses,the school has moved to MN and the issue irrelevant now.

Spartan does have grads in all states exceped the state of California.
whatever schools individuals posting negative comments and spreading misleading info without strong understanding of the issue are harming themselves and the entire carribean establishment.

Spartan does have grads with Baylor,SW,Texas A &M,and many more,also Harvard,Mayo,Hopkins,Columbia,Cornell,Yale,and hundreds and hundreds other hospitals all over the universe,I am surprised that the school are not utilizing such impressive info to prove its strong academic foundations[no way that so many grads make it that high positions without good basic sciences and education,so many people from non carribeans are failing exams big times!!!].

personal opnion based on internet search.

[iaustudent06]

the list above "Fradulent institution" refers to institutions alleging operating ln Texas but not actually Texas campuses,the school has moved to MN and the issue irrelevant now.

Someone should help clarify...

It clearly states "El Paso, Texas; New Mexico; Mexico; St. Lucia"
THECB > Academic Affairs and Research > Private Colleges and Institutes > Fraudulent Institutions (http://www.thecb.state.tx.us/AAR/PrivateInstitutions/NoTX.cfm)



Spartan does have grads in all states exceped the state of California.


How does one get around the "disapproved" list? Did these graduates obtain positions prior to the list, like in Indiana? Medical Licensing Board of Indiana (http://www.in.gov/pla/bandc/mlbi/)

[cahsu2005]

Ok to clarify, IAUStudent06 goes to IAU which is another medical school in St Lucia which was recently opened and NOT Spartan which is also in Saint Lucia.

Yes...fraudulent....but almost all foreign MD diplomas are fraudulent in the US. It is not saying you cannot practice there like CA - but there are ways around this and there are Spartan grads in CA.

The way around this is to work and get board certified by another state which CA accepts and go through due process. It is individually based and not wholly school based.

What the website is stating is that if you try to use your Caribbean MD to get a job --YOU WILL NOT GET A JOB.....but you should all know that by now right??? That is why we have the Steps to do to get our ECFMG accreditation to get our license to kill....lol just kidding.

Once you have passed the STEP 1 you are par with US students and there should be no problems. There have been court cases won because of this issue I have heard.

Anyways, good luck and reply if I got any info wrong.

[iaustudent06]

Ok to clarify, IAUStudent06 goes to IAU which is another medical school in St Lucia which was recently opened and NOT Spartan which is also in Saint Lucia.

Yes, I guess I was busted by my SN! Most of us get along fine with each other and IAU bought land right by Spartan, so I guess we'll be even more closer. So NO, I am not for or against Spartan, but yes, I do post this information to further understand how licensing works. There's nothing to hide if a school failed an inspection. Fix whatever is wrong and move on...

Yes...fraudulent....but almost all foreign MD diplomas are fraudulent in the US. It is not saying you cannot practice there like CA - but there are ways around this and there are Spartan grads in CA.

The way around this is to work and get board certified by another state which CA accepts and go through due process. It is individually based and not wholly school based.


But according to PP of Cali:
"No Californian should be training in an unrecognized or disapproved medical school. Offshore school administrators should not enroll Californians based on optimistic promises to obtain California recognition in the future or to win lawsuits against the California Medical Board.

If you would like to become eligible to train in or become licensed in California, you will need to transfer into a California-recognized medical school and repeat ALL coursework you completed at St. Matthew's or any other medical school that the California Board doesn't recognize or has disapproved.

If you complete any part of your medical education in an unrecognized or disapproved school, you will need to plan a medical career in another state that recognizes the school's education and diplomas."
http://www.valuemd.com/st-matthews-university-school-medicine/58951-states-disapprove-limit-licensure-smu-grads.html

[ASIANDOC]

Someone should help clarify...

It clearly states "El Paso, Texas; New Mexico; Mexico; St. Lucia"
THECB > Academic Affairs and Research > Private Colleges and Institutes > Fraudulent Institutions (http://www.thecb.state.tx.us/AAR/PrivateInstitutions/NoTX.cfm)




How does one get around the "disapproved" list? Did these graduates obtain positions prior to the list, like in Indiana? Medical Licensing Board of Indiana (http://www.in.gov/pla/bandc/mlbi/)

EXCEPT FOR sgu,ross,auc,saba,all other carribean grads not eligible for CA license and no way around it,period.BC is good but can't get you license in CA.

[iaustudent06]

EXCEPT FOR sgu,ross,auc,saba,all other carribean grads not eligible for CA license and no way around it,period.BC is good but can't get you license in CA.

Sorry, what is BC?

[dt]

Sorry, what is BC?


bc = board certified

[MYMD]

EXCEPT FOR sgu,ross,auc,saba,all other carribean grads not eligible for CA license and no way around it,period.BC is good but can't get you license in CA.
Yes thats because the state of California is biased and stupid, the law makes no sense and it should be like the rest of the USA, by review/ Case by Case basis, I never never want to practice in Cali due to this kind of thinking.:twisted:

[ind3r]

I never never want to practice in Cali due to this kind of thinking.:twisted:

Yay.. less competition for me... stand aside! But I do agree with you, it's quite discriminatory

[MYMD]

Yay.. less competition for me... stand aside! But I do agree with you, it's quite discriminatory
I have no problem with a Ban list though, just this Cali has to be "bought off " oh excuse me "review the school" Yea they go to the school then "wining and dining the reviewers" I really think its a sham.

Some of the reviewers are not qualified to review either.:twisted:

[iaustudent06]

Spartan has so many graduates practicing in Texas,and as recently as few months ago few get licensed and joined Texas best hospitals [Texas Children,also Texas Tech Uni Hosp],they already had licensed grads with Baylor/SW med school and Texas A & M Uni hospitals,so Spartan grads not only practicing in Texas but in the best centers with clean records.[as per internet search and Tx board website].
the list above "Fradulent institution" refers to institutions alleging operating ln Texas but not actually Texas campuses,the school has moved to MN and the issue irrelevant now.

Fully licensed or Training for residency?

Rokshana wrote - "training licenses and full unrestricted licenses are two very different things- it is generally much easier (cali and pa are a few of the exceptions) but there is MUCH more scrutiny placed on applicants for the full license.

its a case by case issue when the school isn't on the disapproved list and you jump some extra hoops, but if your school is disapproved it is a no go, period. Its the whole reason Ross got onto the equivilant list to begin with! They were disapproved in Texas and their grads COULD NOT get licensed in Tx- they petitioned the tmb for a site visit and was able to get on the list.

if you seriously want to practice in texas, you need to talk to the tmb and find out exactly what you can and cannot do as an smu grad- but while your school's name is on that list- you may be able to get a training license, but not an unrestricted one."
http://www.valuemd.com/st-matthews-university-school-medicine/58951-states-disapprove-limit-licensure-smu-grads-39.html

[cahsu2005]

There is a hefty fee to 'buy-out' er yes get reviewed by the CA board.
I don't think this school is willing to pay tens of thousands just for that. One reason why this school has cheap tuition I guess.

[cahsu2005]

Yes we get along very well....so far haha
We used to party quite a bit together but only the 'indian' crew lol.

[iaustudent06]

Yes, it's the sad truth, we come together to party on the most boring part of the island.