Rumors about Xavier Bonaire

[nucleolus]

I'm currently a student in the M.D. program at Xavier Bonaire, in my 2nd semester, and I've been a silent spectator on valuemd for a while now. I've been reading a LOT of information misrepresenting Xavier Bonaire, and as a student of Xavier Bonaire, I feel I need to clear a few things up.

As a sister campus of Xavier Aruba, Xavier Bonaire, and Xavier Panama for that matter, are also recognized by the WHO. I called the WHO, Regional Office for the Americas (+1 202 974 3000) and spoke with a representative- he verified this as fact.

This is not to say that the owners are the same. I don't know about Xavier Panama because it did not exist when I joined Xavier Bonaire, so I cannot speak on its behalf. However, the owners (and operators) of Xavier Bonaire are completely, and entirely, separate from Xavier Aruba. I do not know the owners of Xavier Aruba- I'm sure they are nice folks. I do however know the owners of Xavier Bonaire. I had met them in person on three separate occasions before I had made a commitment to their school. Rest assured, they're all practicing and teaching physicians in the U.S. except for their CEO (he's a businessman). The rest are all M.D.s with the exception of one or two D.O.s.

With that being said, I'd like to add that Xavier Bonaire does, in fact, have a charter. First of all, the people that run Xavier Bonaire, as I have already mentioned but feel I need to reiterate nonetheless, are not businessmen. They are physicians who know what they are doing since they have been in academic medicine in the U.S. for anywhere from five to 25 years- therefore, it's only logical that an educated group such as the group running Xavier Bonaire would ensure that their operation is airtight, i.e. legal and legitimate in every way- which obviously would include something as basic as a charter.

If you are a serious student, as I am, you would take the time to go through proper channels to verify this information instead of falling prey to people who post malicious content on these open forums.

Best of luck to all you future docs :)

[ams]

werd........:cool:

[ind3r]

Are there are any USMLE pass rates available for Xavier?

[studentdoctobe]

I'm currently a student in the M.D. program at Xavier Bonaire, in my 2nd semester, and I've been a silent spectator on valuemd for a while now. I've been reading a LOT of information misrepresenting Xavier Bonaire, and as a student of Xavier Bonaire, I feel I need to clear a few things up.

As a sister campus of Xavier Aruba, Xavier Bonaire, and Xavier Panama for that matter, are also recognized by the WHO. I called the WHO, Regional Office for the Americas (+1 202 974 3000) and spoke with a representative- he verified this as fact.

This is not to say that the owners are the same. I don't know about Xavier Panama because it did not exist when I joined Xavier Bonaire, so I cannot speak on its behalf. However, the owners (and operators) of Xavier Bonaire are completely, and entirely, separate from Xavier Aruba. I do not know the owners of Xavier Aruba- I'm sure they are nice folks. I do however know the owners of Xavier Bonaire. I had met them in person on three separate occasions before I had made a commitment to their school. Rest assured, they're all practicing and teaching physicians in the U.S. except for their CEO (he's a businessman). The rest are all M.D.s with the exception of one or two D.O.s.

With that being said, I'd like to add that Xavier Bonaire does, in fact, have a charter. First of all, the people that run Xavier Bonaire, as I have already mentioned but feel I need to reiterate nonetheless, are not businessmen. They are physicians who know what they are doing since they have been in academic medicine in the U.S. for anywhere from five to 25 years- therefore, it's only logical that an educated group such as the group running Xavier Bonaire would ensure that their operation is airtight, i.e. legal and legitimate in every way- which obviously would include something as basic as a charter.

If you are a serious student, as I am, you would take the time to go through proper channels to verify this information instead of falling prey to people who post malicious content on these open forums.

Best of luck to all you future docs :)
Yep, I agree.

[doctorvp]

Are there are any USMLE pass rates available for Xavier?

I actually applied here as I was not aware of which were the "top" caribbean medical schools.. When I was interviewed (I didn't end up attending here) the dean specifically stated they had a 97% pass rate :rolleyes:
I wanted to laugh right there, but decided to keep it in.

Exactly how many graduates does this school have anyway?

[V234]

Im a graduate of Xavier Bonaire. Passed step 1, currently studying for step 2. To be honest, you can't listen to everything thats written on forums. Every student, no matter where they go or who theyre affiliated with your going to complain..no place is perfect. what matters is are you up for the challenge, you have to make it the best for yourseld and do your research properly. I had been affiliated with Xavier-bonaire for some time now, just graduated recently, i never had a problem, whether it be from scheduling rotations in US, to registering for my exams, etc...The people with Xavier Bonaire are NOT businessmen... they are PRACTICING PHYSICIANS in the US.

VK

[the_punisher]

does anyone know anything about the clinic. spots available at this school.

thank you

[Margie]

o my.....=S

[Bubkas1]

What type of private loan does the Bonaire program have available for us future students? Thank you.

[MartyBlank]

I have no interest in attending Xavier. I have been visiting all the caribbean forums because I was curious to see if the level of attacks on each program is the same.

And I do find it curious.

No student should believe a single thing posted in any of these forums. It would appear that many of the posts are aimed at gaining a competitive advantage over the many other programs available in the caribbean.

As for USMLE passing %'s, really who cares?

What relevance does that have to the individual student?

Stop and think about it.

Medicine is largely self-directed learning. The greatest teachers on the planet can not GUARANTEE USMLE success for any student.

Studying for and passing the requisite board scores comes down to the individual student. Is he/she motivated enough to do the work that is required to pass the exam?

In today's day and age, there is no excuse for not being able to find the material needed to pass the USMLE. The question is simple. Are you willing to do the work requried to pass it?

Harvard, Hopkins, and Stanford have perfect passing rates for their students, but the truth is....take any student from Harvard or Hopkins, and place them the worst program in the caribbean.....that student will still pass the USMLE exam.

Conversely, caribbean programs are getting students that could not matriculate into a US school, and as a result, those students may not pass the exam no matter who the instructor is, or what the setting is.

My point I guess is simple. Passing these board exams comes down to individual motivation and hard work.

And I do not think it is reflective in the quality of education or the quality of the programs. It is more indicative of the type of student the program has enrolled.

[Bubkas1]

A blast from the past. Does Xavier/Bonaire have private student loans available?

[jameslynton]

I have no interest in attending Xavier. I have been visiting all the caribbean forums because I was curious to see if the level of attacks on each program is the same.

And I do find it curious.

No student should believe a single thing posted in any of these forums. It would appear that many of the posts are aimed at gaining a competitive advantage over the many other programs available in the caribbean.

As for USMLE passing %'s, really who cares?

What relevance does that have to the individual student?

Stop and think about it.

Medicine is largely self-directed learning. The greatest teachers on the planet can not GUARANTEE USMLE success for any student.

Studying for and passing the requisite board scores comes down to the individual student. Is he/she motivated enough to do the work that is required to pass the exam?

In today's day and age, there is no excuse for not being able to find the material needed to pass the USMLE. The question is simple. Are you willing to do the work requried to pass it?

Harvard, Hopkins, and Stanford have perfect passing rates for their students, but the truth is....take any student from Harvard or Hopkins, and place them the worst program in the caribbean.....that student will still pass the USMLE exam.

Conversely, caribbean programs are getting students that could not matriculate into a US school, and as a result, those students may not pass the exam no matter who the instructor is, or what the setting is.

My point I guess is simple. Passing these board exams comes down to individual motivation and hard work.

And I do not think it is reflective in the quality of education or the quality of the programs. It is more indicative of the type of student the program has enrolled.What you say has some truths to it about the step. However, an excellent program will provide guidance. The part I disagree with is this medicine is not self guided as you suggest. If it was anyone could read Robbins Pathology, do tons of q-banks question and take the Step 1 and pass without a school or teacher helping in any way.

[lswiltshire]

The part I disagree with is this medicine is not self guided as you suggest. If it was anyone could read Robbins Pathology, do tons of q-banks question and take the Step 1 and pass without a school or teacher helping in any way.

Actually, James, you will get some smart alec s to say that they can read Robbins Pathology, do tons of q-banks question and take the Step 1 and pass without a school or teacher helping in any way. And I believe it can possibly be done, because I believe most anyone almost can pass Step 1.

However, what they will miss is the input from teachers who have seen the “Pathology” both pre and post mortem. In my first clinical year at Mona I saw something as simple as acute appendix present in myriads of ways. Grants Atlas did mention that there were a percentage of appendices in anomalous locations but neither Grants or Robbins could impart the reality of seeing patients with these anomalies, scrubbing at the surgeries at which these appendices were removed, or observing the post surgical analysis of the removed samples. Clearly teachers who have seen such can better impart this knowledge and anticipation to students more vividly than the text.

I am just expanding on your point
Medicine may involve much self study but the PROPER study of medicine CAN NOT BE SELF GUIDED. How can students know unless they have a teacher. Can the blind lead the blind?

[MartyBlank]

Bob Marion is a pediatrician who gained some fame writing a book, "Intern Blues", about his experience in medical school and his struggles through his internship. It is a great read, and was written in the 1970s.

Marion does a great job at comparing the first two years of medical school to the clinical education observed in the last 2 years. He also tells a fascinating story how his "roommate" was a computer engineer, who cont'd to work full time during the first two years of medical school, and would only show up to attend mandatory quizzes and testing. His "notes" were nothing more than the syllabus that was given during each week.

Now, I certainly don't advocate students never attending a single lecture and then showing up for testing. That is insane, but I do believe, that with a very basic hand to guide you, most students can navigate the first two years of medical school and pass Part I by doing the work.

More important to passing step 1 is developing proper study skills, time management, and the ability to retain large volumes of information. The best instructors in this country can't do that with a student who doesn't know how to study properly.

If a student is undertaking a path into medicine with little or no study skills, poor time management, and less than focuused, they won't pass....again, no matter how strong the quality of educator in front of that student.

[mmmla]

Is Xavier Bonaire still open?

[khsyed]

Yes, Its still open and Its a good school.. go for it, if you think its for you..

[khsyed]

Yes, Its still open and Its a good school.. go for it, if you think its for you..