Rsmu

[drydrych]

What's the story on RSMU? Is it a 6-year program or 4-year? In English?

[Zut Alors!]

What does it stand for?

[drydrych]

Russian State Medical University...in Moscow.

[Mikhail]

All official Russian MD programs are for 6 years.
To define it exactly - all the medical schools in Russia use the same 6-year program approved by the states. So, RSMU offers 6 year MD program in English and Russian langauges.
Admission will start within a month or so.

[rohania]

Mikhail,
Why are the schools still teaching completely in Russian from year 3-6? This has gotten some extremely bad publicity for Russian med schools. How can students possibly cope with the ***** of knowledge they need for their future work if they can barely understand the teachers and vice versa?
Isn't the Russian govt interested at all to improve and get good English speaking teachers and broaden the international student base? I remember the education Minister saying clearly in 2005 and 2006 that 'steps are being taken' to improve security and quality. What has actually been done, can you enlighten us. Saying that students need to know Russian so they can interact with patients is an old exceuse and not a good reply.

[rohania]

Mikhail - in my email the "****" - I accidentally leaned on the keys to reach my HP. It has no meaning. Thanks.

[applemas]

I think RSMU should provide 6 years English course for foreigners, like Volgograd SMU, and NIzhny Novgorod SMA.

[Mikhail]

Rohania,
Russian Government as well as the universities is really interested to improve the international students’ base. For instance, during last two years a number of the universities in Moscow finished new hostels for the students. Annually the Government offers about 3,000 scholarships for international students to pay for their study (tuition & accommodation fees) at Russian universities.
I am not sure having no full term English medium program should result in extremely bad publicity for Russian medical schools [and I am not sure that it necessarily connects to security and quality]. There are arguments pro and against it and it is after the university to decide what to do in this way. As I know, RSMU did not offer 6-year teaching in English to the current students and does not break a promise (this only would get extremely bad publicity).
I am also surprised why you are writing about “Russian medical schoolS”. There are some schools offering all the lectures and classes in English (including MMA in Moscow). Your son may easily apply for a transfer there. What’s the problem?
With best wishes,
Mikhail

[bpoichan]

hi to all of you out there!

I ve noticed that some ppl have interest about the RSMU..
here is my view on it.. it is not solely based on my personal view, but the common view and what students, friends and residents tell me about it..

if you are in a hurry .. i ll sum it up for you in a single sentence:

:twisted: AVOID THE RSMU LIKE AIDS!!:evil:

that school is definitely the trashiest school in moscow.. and should be avoided by all those that have the purpose to become full-ledged doctors.

However.. if your dad is a doc..and has a clinic .. and you are the only son/daughter.. and you ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO take over daddy s clinic.. although you NEVER inspired to be a M.D. then the RSMU is the right place for you!.. you ll get your MD without having to attend classes.. but youll have to pay the dean or the rector.. whom i believe will keep all your official documents so that they can always ask you for some bribe...

the medical school looks like the building where they made the movie
' SAW'.

I am describing this in a comic .. somewhat unusual way.. for the only purpose to depict the condition of that school in its most authentic way.

the classes are run-down.. the building may collapse anytime..
the dean of foreign students.. is a total jerk..
let me give you an example that happened to me there..
i had a friend from Japan that studied there.. and she left the place after 2 years.. she just could not take it.. she once mailed me and asked me if i could get a document from the RSMU stating that she attended 2 years at the RSMU.
I first asked her why she did not call them.. but then.. that s russia.. nothing can be done on the phone..
so.. i went to RSMU... which is right behind from PFU.. a small forest separates them.. like the border between heaven and hell..

i met the dean.. and exposed him the case..
he told me that she needed to ask herself.. i understood this.. so i brought a document faxed from her requesting the document.. the dean told me that it could be anyone writing this document.. so i asked him for a direct fax number she could mail a fax from japan.. he said that it could be anyone in japan faxing that document.. i then asked for a phone number where she could call from japan.. i suppose you can guess his reply.. and i asked for an email where she could mail..and he said the same answer you could guess..
so the bottom line was that she was not a student there anymore so he did not have to.. and if she wanted that document.. she d have to come to moscow from japan!!
anyway .. we ended up making a fake one.. as i stole the stamp in his office..

the reputation among russian students is that RSMU is an EASY school.. you dont have to study to pass with honors there..

so if you are motivated and really want to go to a serious place.. dont fool yourselves..or get fooled by some agents..listen to what students say!!!
the hardest place in moscow is definitely PFU
good luck to you all

[rohania]

So, bp,
You seem to diagnose and prescribe quality based on how a building looks and because of your sad anecdote about some "person" from Japan who wants a letter of confirmation of her past status (very important document) from a medical school and could not get it via a third party? I feel sorry for you - I sincerely hope YOU are not studying mecidine.

No dean in his right mind anywhere in the world would just accept your story and give you the details of another person's "history", and in written form!

In US, NOTHING would be given to a 'friend'. The student must be responsible enough to handle it herself via any one of many modes of secure communication available.

I suggest you trash Japan, not Russia. You would have been given even worse treatment in Japan! Even if you requested thorugh the Japanese Embassy, I assure you their level of suspicion and poor service borders on paranoia and you would definitely have been given a thorough run around and still, no document would have been given to you.

I apologise ahead if my next comment does not sit well with you - I mean it in a friendly way-Do be more mature in your writing. It does not reflect well on medical students to write in a shallow manner on the internet public domain and more so to trash any instn anywhere which also houses some truly brilliant students.

In the final analysis, it is not the instn or the teachers or buildings alone. Anywhere in the world, it is entirely how the student learns and researches and makes the extra effort that counts and how he applies that effort and knowledge on the job that will enable us to contribute the best we can and emerge great. Example: A business graduate of Cambridge, his degree can only open one door, the first door - if he fails and can't perform he would have to manage harder and if he can't he, too, will will join the beggars on the street. So don't simply trash any individual or organisation as you like. Meantime, Happy studying. Regards,

[bpoichan]

rohania..

i did appreciate your mail.. although vehement in nature.. and you dont need to apologize as your comment definitely sit well with me.. as i am sitting on it and find your comment to be at the right place where it should be...

well let me correct a few things.. i am not studying medicine as i am already done with med school.. and thank god not at M2.. (aka rsmu)..doing joint residency in Japan/ USMLE prep.
I need to add that you are absolutely noone to tell me whether i should or should not be studying medicine.. that was uncalled for and totally immature from you..

as for japan.. hmmm why should i trash japan.. when i actually have been living there for 10 years and always had things done the right way ..and of course with the best service.. and that also includes the japanese embassy..and the japanese university where i studied..
i suppose that you were refused a visa for Japan and now despise it with a passion? well Japan is right to be that way with unneeded individuals..
(now i know you ll rebut it with a ' I never wanting to go there 'and all the bla bla.. .. i actually know that song well.. as i heard from people that were turned down by the US embassy at multiple occasion.. so i ll spare you the rebuttal..)
so i guess that you made a wrong point about japan..
and how could one compare japan with russia? .. it would be like comparing a kentucky derby racing horse with a donkey.. and i mean that in any way, shape or form...

now.. you may have a point with the dean at M2.. although i d like to tell you this..
please dont take things personal... i understand that you are studying at M2 and did not appreciate my comment about the place..
I was at PFU.. right behind the forest.. you probably know where that is.. cuz most of the malay at M2.. like to hang out at PFU.. as they have there a place to meet and eat.. M2 does not have such an environment..how come?

I will agree with the ' truly brilliant students' point you made about M2.. cuz EVERY STUDENT is a brilliant student at M2.. the classes are a joke.. and all get 5s.. (equivalent to an 'A')...so yes.. I admit it.. that institution does house brilliant elements.. probably ALL foreign students on contract with Saman?.. as they are taught half-*** (excuse my french) and that they pay about 8000 times more than what a russian student would pay...
therefore to keep the 'brilliant students' flow coming.. they give the ' excellent' grades to all those ' truly brilliant students'.. the profs get their double salary (english medium teachers are paid double)..and everyone is happy..


I also TRULY agree with your final analysis dealing with the facilities or teaching staff of an institution
i TRULY agree with this .. but... as there is always a but..
it would always be better to study in a FRIENDLY environment.. be given all opportunities.. without having to fight your way through...right?
studying at M1 or M2 is like swimming in quick sand.. you are honest.. earnest in your effort to become a doctor.. and people.. the staff.. the administration..and the environment itself tries to pull you down..
ONLY PFU did not ..
I probably know more doctors from M2, M1 than you do.. i know more staff.. and probably most hospitals affiliated with those places.. and that is how it is.. UNFORTUNATELY...
but now if facilities dont matter.. why did you go to a russian med school?
better go to bandah aceh med school..

I do not intend to trash the school.. I AM JUST SAYING THE PLAIN TRUE FACT!!!
some people learn from it.. and others like you.. get upset with it..
but there is a way to remediate to it..and that is:

DO NOT READ MY POSTS!!!

Wishing you a BRILLIANT FUTURE in one of the MOST PRESTIGIOUS MEDICAL SCHOOL THAT HOUSES TRULY BRILLIANT STUDENTS.....


and allow me to reiterate one thing.. i dont trash people.. but people make the institution, people make the name of a med school.. and they reflect the image that the institution represents..
M2 is definitely a trashy school... and as for the people that make it...well.. anyone can make his/her conclusion

best of luck in your endeavors..

[chygada]

Drydrych....Are you thinking of applying to RSMU?

[Scandalous]

Hello,
I applied to RSMU English medium course back in 2005. I was informed that the course is for 6 years in english. I got to know the truth after going there that made me pack my bags and come back. The course is 3 yrs english+3 years russian.
I gained admission through RCSC(Russian Cultural and Science Centre), New Delhi, India.Sadly, the Russian embassy supports RCSC. ...makes all the lies enough official and legal..isn't it?
Sigh..

[Mikhail]

Russian Embassy in India does support Russian Centers of Science and Culture. The Centers are governmental institutions to render assistance in developing cultural/scientific relations between the countries. But the Embassy did not support an Indian agent who used to sit in the Center in 2005 (and before). It is sad he cheated the applicants. I believe the system changed and nowadays it is a Russian organization to present & promote the national education there.

[isse]

Hello,
I applied to RSMU English medium course back in 2005. I was informed that the course is for 6 years in english. I got to know the truth after going there that made me pack my bags and come back. The course is 3 yrs english+3 years russian.
I gained admission through RCSC(Russian Cultural and Science Centre), New Delhi, India.Sadly, the Russian embassy supports RCSC. ...makes all the lies enough official and legal..isn't it?
Sigh..


I heard they changed it this year, so next year first students will get 6 years in english.

I am a prospective student, currently considering to school in Russia.