Correct me if i am worng!

[what up doc]

so after graduating from All Saints university. I can practice in about 30 - 40 states right. The only states that i cant practice in is CA, TX, KN, TN, and the others that follow the cali list. please list any other states that will not accept me after i graduate from ALL SAINTS UNIVERSITY!!

[brob311]

Does the school not offer any of that info, I think they would, or at least should.

[what up doc]

Well they do provide some info... but for the most part they say that you should be able to practice in all states but CA by the time the 1st class from the Dominica branch graduate. For me, graduation is a long ways away but still i like to collect little bits of info from here and there.

[jameslynton]

I would say you will most likely be looking over your shoulder about getting your medical license revoked in all 50 states until the school has grads and a long history of successful grads in practice. In some cases it is not good to be an explorer in the world of medicine. The people who own All Saints have a poor record in the medical school business. Do your research.

[what up doc]

The people who own All Saints have a poor record in the medical school business. Do your research.


well i have done some research on them and i think i have a good idea of what they are capable of, but it seems you know more so please share.

as for 50 states, i know that wont happen but i dont want to work in CA, TX, TN, or those states.... the only ones i care about are the south eastern states and some of the north eastern states. And to my knowledge these are possible after graduating from ALL SAINTS!!

[jameslynton]

In my next hand of poker, it is possible I will get a royal ace high straight flush in spades - is it probable? Well the odds are pretty much against it. So far just a regular royal straight flush has happened to me once in my life. I am 56 years old. The current owners maybe connected to St Chris via a few other scams - they also may not be.

Did you read all of the St Chris posts? That is a business model used by several "New Schools". Have you contacted by PM some of the victims of St Chris? Try Empathy, and some of the other people on VMD. Now that would be research. Maybe even PM MYMD and get his take on the matter.
If you have not done that - that should be a big Red Flag for you. Just my .02's

Read this thread:

http://www.valuemd.com/main-foreign-medical-schools-forum/129287-xavier-vs-aua-3.html#post560772

It may give you some light. Right now and this does not mean I am flaming you - you sound like the old St Chris cheerleaders.

I was accepted into two schools St James and AUA last year. However, I am cautious. I decided to get a MS in Biology/Biochemistry/cell biology before I run off to medical school. Maybe even get a PhD in those areas as that I want to do research more than clinical medicine. So I put off medical school until the time I am truly ready to do it.

My suggestion - always finish a ** degree from a US college, take the MCAT after practicing for it, and try to get into a US school first. That will save you a boat load of grief.

[jameslynton]

I also find it interesting that you are logged on VMD most of the time and rush to beat down any body who posts negative things about ASUM. Also to be a University you need at least three colleges (or so) with in the University structure.

[what up doc]

What ever ............

[stephew]

tos people. i will warn anyone in violation.s

[brob311]

He was relevant with the topic of your thread. In one of his threads he stated that All Saints is a risk b/c it has no grads to establish repoir and licensing in the States. He gave you a reference to a thread related to your concerns. And you can't ignore the examples of schools like St Chris, b/c those stories can become a reality in your life. No school is safe, even those like Ross, St George, AUC, we all take a risk in going to Caribb school. Some schools pose a bigger risk than others. In reference to James' poker hand analogy: Going to one the big 3 are like the chances of getting a pair of any kind. The schools have been around for a long time, they have thousands of grads, established repoir with clinicals sites, residency placements, licensing in all 50 states, and they have earned as much respect as a caribb med school can for the time being. If you are going to an interview for a residency program, first you are limited to certain states, and in the case of All Saints, you are not even sure what states, if any states, you are aloud to practice in. Anyway, you go into the interview against other competition (MD's from US schools, Ross, St George, AUC, even St MAtthews), and already you are placed in the bottom of the pool of applicants even if you have a similar Step score in comparison to your other applicants. Same thing goes for a grad from Ross, St George, AUC when they go for a residency placement, there is a negative stigma attached to all Caribb grads in comparison to US med grads. But like I said before, the older more established Caribb med schools have the successful alumni to help their cause, and have certain residency programs that like the MD's produced out of these schools, whereas All Saints does not.

Keep riding that wave of motivation and determination to create the path for All Saints grads, it can be done, there is just a large risk involved. I think James was trying to get you to get down from your soapbox for a minute to take a step back and look at the big picture. Put your guard down and listen to the warning if you are concerned about your future.

Good Luck you.

[MYMD]

Anyway, you go into the interview against other competition (MD's from US schools, Ross, St George, AUC, even St MAtthews), and already you are placed in the bottom of the pool of applicants even if you have a similar Step score in comparison to your other applicants. Same thing goes for a grad from Ross, St George, AUC when they go for a residency placement, there is a negative stigma attached to all Caribb grads in comparison to US med grads. But like I said before, the older more established Caribb med schools have the successful alumni to help their cause, and have certain residency programs that like the MD's produced out of these schools, whereas All Saints does not.



While I agree with a lot you posted this is the part really is opinion and not factual, If this was the case how did St. Chris Grads match or any others in Competitive residencies? It proves the opposite and saying the Caribbean school matters so much at Match time over the step scores has no real basis and is just Banter.......................

If you have the results of successful matches from each school so we can see the facts then I would enjoy it and it is proof but until then this is simply an Opinion.

[brob311]

Some schools post more competitive residency spots than others, and you can find compare these to the matches posted on VMD and other websites. I am not saying you cannot obtain a good residency if you go to a smaller less known school, I am just saying that the med school you represent, more often than not, can help or hinder you if you have similar #'s going into an interview in comparison to the other applicants.

But yes, I can see how the statement was too generalized.

[MYMD]

I would say you will most likely be looking over your shoulder about getting your medical license revoked in all 50 states until the school has grads and a long history of successful grads in practice. In some cases it is not good to be an explorer in the world of medicine. The people who own All Saints have a poor record in the medical school business. Do your research.

I've posted since I was mentioned so I joined in:

Any new school is a Gamble, any school who has charter issues and issues of being disaproved in the states are schools you should not go to period.

This is not about you but about the school.

If a school of these qualities is the only school to accept you, then think why? Why was I not accepted by other schools.

I will not cheerlead, SJSM just is getting evaluated and taking positive steps like enforcing admission policies and grading policies, close over sight of Clinicals and other things, these are positive but SJSM is still risky, more then the big 4 Please do what you want and go where you want but do not cheerlead and pretend you are attending a prestigious Medschool, you are not. I'm Not!

Several things thought of as facts on VMD are just darn silly and are not facts at all just urban legends...................NY, TX and FL approvals are for clinicals not Licensure, Licensure is case by case for every state, the only two states who have clear policies of who they will not consider for Licensure is California the dreaded list, and Kansas the silly 15 yr rule, the school must be opened for 15 years. Yea some states look at the Cali list but this is to easily approve the Grad, if not on the list more documentation may be needed before approved, fact is most do get approved, come on thousands go to these schools and we hear about the one or two who get denied, do not care about why (DId you ever think there may be really good reasons?) and say look you can't get licensed ...............please:roll:

I wish everyone Luck.

[MYMD]

One more thought Loans, I have no idea if this school has loans or not but a Medschool without Student loans is a really bad sign, not even the loan companies trust them.

I would not go to a school without a Loan.:shock:

[MYMD]

Some schools post more competitive residency spots than others, and you can find compare these to the matches posted on VMD and other websites. I am not saying you cannot obtain a good residency if you go to a smaller less known school, I am just saying that the med school you represent, more often than not, can help or hinder you if you have similar #'s going into an interview in comparison to the other applicants.

But yes, I can see how the statement was too generalized.

Hey no problem, If you read my post above I do not pretend I took a bigger risk but I also have things rolling for myself in a good way and have been mostly pleased with the school I go to.

Like all of you I think its sad though to read someone trying to say a school with a lot to still prove is just as good as the big 4 thats simply not reality.

[brob311]

It seems out All Saints friend here took the first school that offered acceptance w/o doing research before he enrolled...too little, too late. I think it would be wise to know what states the schools are accredited in and other important factors before I paid them a phat check. Sometimes the cheerleading on this forum can be done b/c of the fear and doubt about their decisions that the same cheerleaders possess within.

[MYMD]

It seems out All Saints friend here took the first school that offered acceptance w/o doing research before he enrolled...too little, too late. I think it would be wise to know what states the schools are accredited in and other important factors before I paid them a phat check. Sometimes the cheerleading on this forum can be done b/c of the fear and doubt about their decisions that the same cheerleaders possess within.


Yes younger people (I'm 43) need to really be cautious because the schools may tell you a lot, some just say check with the states knowing that many will not and some of these told to do this come here and ask, the best thing to do if you are not going to a Big 4 is check the states and check about the school read and reread, I did before SJSM and I was happy enough with what I understood and the states of practice I know I can never practice in California but I'm going back to Georgia ( what would a Hick like me do in LA anyway LOL) but at 43 this will be my last place if 25 it would be a different story.

[brob311]

Understood, from hick to another


Go Dawgs!!!

[doctormua]

just because you aren't going to the big 4 doesn't mean there aren't better alternatives than all saints and sjsm................there are middle-tier schools such as mua-nevis, aua, and st. matthews which are all established, have great residency placements, have actual facilities (nice campus, labs, libraries, dormitories, gyms, b-ball/tennis courts, pools)..........etc..............

try aua, smu, or mua-nevis before you go to any of the low tier schools such as windsor, all saints, or sjsm............these schools are around 5-k tuition a semester, and you get what you pay for!

just becaues you don't drive a mercedes doesn't mean you have to drive a kia............there are other good alternatives in between also such as toyota/honda/nissan...................

[brob311]

It seems the "heartbeat of All Saints" has flat-lined for this topic.

[Zut Alors!]

just because you aren't going to the big 4 doesn't mean there aren't better alternatives than all saints and sjsm................there are middle-tier schools such as mua-nevis, aua, and st. matthews which are all established, have great residency placements, have actual facilities (nice campus, labs, libraries, dormitories, gyms, b-ball/tennis courts, pools)..........etc..............

try aua, smu, or mua-nevis before you go to any of the low tier schools such as windsor, all saints, or sjsm............these schools are around 5-k tuition a semester, and you get what you pay for!

just becaues you don't drive a mercedes doesn't mean you have to drive a kia............there are other good alternatives in between also such as toyota/honda/nissan...................

I thought that AUA is too young to have any grads in residency yet...

[what up doc]

Yea its true that all saints is all i applied to but i still see it as a far better choice than all the other schools..(except the big 4)...

I have come to realize that we can talk about this forever and still get nowhere so there is no point....... we all make and decisions and we all have to live by them!!!!

[DOCplucinski]

I thought that AUA is too young to have any grads in residency yet...

first grads graduate in May

[doctormua]

what up doc said 'Yea its true that all saints is all i applied to but i still see it as a far better choice than all the other schools..(except the big 4).'


how is it a better choice than aua, mua-nevis, or smu???

any grads, residency placements, facilities, usmle pass rates???

go ahead and explain how it's a better choice than ANY school..........even st. james and windsor are probably better choices than all saints......................

GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN 'WHAT UP DOC'???

[doctormua]

and actually, no, you can't argue about this forever, if the other side has a point, you can argue. you don't have a point............you have no basis towards an argument for schools that have no accreditations in either ny or ca, no residency placements, no usmle pass rates, and no facilities..................

and the schools that have a 'few' like st james or windsor are also poor choices and should be somebody's last choice also; but i'll admit they are better choices than all saints..........anyway, i'm done with this forum.........

[what up doc]

Only time will tell!!! there is nothing more to it.......

[doctormua]

yea, time will tell.........

BUT WHY TAKE A 4-YR/100-K GAMBLE?????

[jameslynton]

Yea its true ... we all make and decisions and we all have to live by them!!!!No, we don't have to live by the decision that we make if they were made in haste. VMD exist to exchange information about foreign medical schools. It is place to meet people and learn. We each make decisions but we don't have to live with them if they turn out to not be in our best interest.

In looking at this thread - I realized many people come to VMD to find out which schools are good one. One of the issues is how to evaluate schools? Basically, going to all Saints puts you in as an explorer/adventurer. You are there and if you can objectively post your experience - this will help many people after you.

Like I have said I was accepted at St Jame and AUA. After thinking about what my objectives were I decided to go back to school and get into a different program for my own goals. As for being on VMD all the time - I work as a computer consultant.

[Dr_Implacable]

and actually, no, you can't argue about this forever, if the other side has a point, you can argue. you don't have a point............you have no basis towards an argument for schools that have no accreditations in either ny or ca, no residency placements, no usmle pass rates, and no facilities..................

and the schools that have a 'few' like st james or windsor are also poor choices and should be somebody's last choice also; but i'll admit they are better choices than all saints..........anyway, i'm done with this forum.........

It's still true that there are more bashers than helpers on VMD. The only difference now is, using indirect analogies to get their point across, without being liable to warnings. Know that you cannot know everything there is about something, nor be so arrogrant to judge without seeings things personally. With this said, dont judge ASUM as if you own it.

Personally, I know many senior students from ASUM refrain from checking valuemd for these reasons. 'The heart line is not flat for ASUM'. Just because many students decide not to post on here, for many reasons, it does not mean these arguments made by many others are valid. Like many hard working students, they choose to keep studying and continuing with what really matters, medical school education. Hence, the heart is still pumping well, within the ASUM body. You would need something close to xray vision to see that ;)

ASUM is too young to be compared to the big 4. That is fact. I also believe this is the main aspect that many are arguing on the posts. It ties in all other issues. With time comes accreditation, growth, fame, etc. The school was going through some rough waves, but has prevailed through the storm. As far as I can tell, things are getting much better from what I have personally visited and researched. All schools have their ups-and-downs, but much will be dramatically clear with ASUM within the next year!

As for the loans, there were many for students to choose from. Right now, it is being worked out again and may be available as early as this summer again. Although those who do not have loans, does not mean no loans are available. Loans are still given out on case-by-case, depending on which banks you go to. The acceptance is even more secured with co-signers. The students who had loans previously, still have them today. ASUM is one of the cheapest in the Caribbeans, and has more/newer facilities than many other new (~5yrs old) medical schools found among the islands. I suggest you call individual states about licensing information, so you know what is expected to be obtained for residency at your choice of state. ECFMG, MCC, USMLE, and the states I have called, have no issues with ASUM graduates to obtain residency. Yet many still bash about obtaining license in states that are applicable for ASUM, is it to create fear? It's true that we fear what we dont know. Some can be very good at creating false fears! I suggest all readers of this post to call and find out for themselves from accrediting entities. Afterall, many schools that would never be considered applying to (compared to big 4's) still have graduates in residency and working in the US. Why? Go figure...

Residency placement is beginning this summer, and there are USMLE passing scores of students, with many more coming soon.

So dont be quick to judge. In fact, dont judge at all, state what you think can help or is lacking in ASUM. Let ASUM to adhere to suggestions, rather than defend useless bashing. That would be productive, and positive for all.

[yasmin.navid]

hi everybody,
i recently got accepted to all saints and i am very skeptical about the quality and later residency placement of this school.. can anyone please help me out? how is the curriculum? do they teach well? what about residency placement? i have heard that this school's curriculum is the same as ross', is that true? what i have heard though is that this school is not affiliated with too many hospitals and so for residency they place you in useless placements which causes great problems when you want to actually get a job somewhere after your degree.. can anyone help me out with this.. i want to decide to see if i should be coming to this school or not.. i mean, they accepted me with no recommendation letters or interview!! the place just sounded kinda fishy to me.. anyone who can help me, i greatly appreciate it. thank you

[DOCplucinski]

hi everybody,
i recently got accepted to all saints and i am very skeptical about the quality and later residency placement of this school.. can anyone please help me out? how is the curriculum? do they teach well? what about residency placement? i have heard that this school's curriculum is the same as ross', is that true? what i have heard though is that this school is not affiliated with too many hospitals and so for residency they place you in useless placements which causes great problems when you want to actually get a job somewhere after your degree.. can anyone help me out with this.. i want to decide to see if i should be coming to this school or not.. i mean, they accepted me with no recommendation letters or interview!! the place just sounded kinda fishy to me.. anyone who can help me, i greatly appreciate it. thank you

i don't know much about this school, they are very new and with a lot of new schools, they will accept a lot of people at first without much admission standards. i would never attend a school that accepted me without even giving me an interview first.

[jameslynton]

hi everybody,
i recently got accepted to all saints and i am very skeptical about the quality and later residency placement of this school.. can anyone please help me out? how is the curriculum? do they teach well? what about residency placement? i have heard that this school's curriculum is the same as ross', is that true? what i have heard though is that this school is not affiliated with too many hospitals and so for residency they place you in useless placements which causes great problems when you want to actually get a job somewhere after your degree.. can anyone help me out with this.. i want to decide to see if i should be coming to this school or not.. i mean, they accepted me with no recommendation letters or interview!! the place just sounded kinda fishy to me.. anyone who can help me, i greatly appreciate it. thank youSeveral ways you can look at it - this is how I would look at this school.

1. Staff of teachers - how many do they have?
2. Infrastructure - campus - building
3. Interviews are a place where you ask your questions and concerns
4. Risk
Most people don't really have a clue on how to evaluate risk. So here is my take on it. If you were accepted in Harvard Medical school you have a 98% chance of becoming an MD - you have maybe a 2% chance of not finishing all 4 years and graduating. Reasons - people get sick, injured or fail out or decide medicine is not for them.

That mean 98% out of 100 make it. So lets for conversation purposes say Harvard has a risk factor of 2 out of 100.

Now lets apply this logic to say X Island medical school like a big 3. lets say of those who start maybe 75% finish. (this is not a real number - just made up) So it has risk factor of 25 out of 100 fail to make the MD. These schools are over 25-30 years old and are now "established".

The newer schools are not sure bets - they have a high failure rate - they have issues with loans, staff, weather. so they may have a 60-70 risk factor out of 100. What happens if the school folds - this has happened to over 5 schools in this area in the last ten years.

* So the risk is to you that you will be stuck with a high interest loan 8%-12% you have to pay off by working a job most likely not in medicine most likely if you or the school fail. Not a very comforting thought - these schools fail like 60 to 70 percent of the students - failures are those student who don't make it pass the step 1 exam leaving you with any from $40,000+ to $120,000 in debt to pay off. That is your down side.

Hope this helps clear things

[jameslynton]

I know a student who went to a medical school in Poland - needed more money to complete the degree after 4 years of work. No one would loan this to her. She was stuck paying off $175,000+ in student loans - it is 12 years since this happened and she is still paying $400 a month. Because of the large amount of money she owes - she can not get credit and she can't buy a house. Oh yea student loans in the US can not be erased with bankruptcy either.

[stateofequilibrium]

Just to throw in $.02 and the message people are trying to send across:

This school MAY grow to be a fantastic example of a great Caribbean medical school. It MAY have wonderful grads in the future. It MAY also go in the complete opposite directions.

Don't just apply and grab on to the first school that accepts you. Weigh your options, RESEARCH (not just look at the school's webpage and count that as researching), phone up state licensing boards, etc etc.

Then ask yourself, do you really want to gamble $100,000+ as a guinea pig, or wait for at least something with a given track record.

Yes, for every Caribbean school that is now fairly reputable, there had to have always been pioneers. But why take that VERY expensive risk if you don't have to?

[doctormua]

everybody knows this, that they shouldn't take a gamble. but the vast majority of people who go to st. james, windsor, all saints, etc. etc........have no other choice........their grades are too low to get into a legitimate school with a track record, or they don't have much money or aren't willing to take loans. either way, they're taking a gamble, and they know that................you get what you pay for.........

[stateofequilibrium]

everybody knows this, that they shouldn't take a gamble. but the vast majority of people who go to st. james, windsor, all saints, etc. etc........have no other choice........their grades are too low to get into a legitimate school with a track record, or they don't have much money or aren't willing to take loans. either way, they're taking a gamble, and they know that................you get what you pay for.........

I've met QUITE a few people heading down to Caribbean schools who had NO idea other schools existed. They just saw a flier/ad/webpage and went straight for that one. It was horrifying.

[doctormua]

well with that kind of thinking and intellect, i'd think that they'd have a tough time passing bio 101

[stateofequilibrium]

well with that kind of thinking and intellect, i'd think that they'd have a tough time passing bio 101

I was too polite to say that.

[doctormua]

lol..............

[johaln]

i don't know much about this school, they are very new and with a lot of new schools, they will accept a lot of people at first without much admission standards. i would never attend a school that accepted me without even giving me an interview first.

I got accepted to all 8 schools i applied to upenn, temple, cornell, poly, rit, washington, kettering, st. john's without being interviewed..:)

I applied in my JUNIOR year... :-D I have until Jan, 08 to reply so i was just thinking of international schools and caught your comment just wanted to let you know..

[johaln]

Several ways you can look at it - this is how I would look at this school.

1. Staff of teachers - how many do they have?
2. Infrastructure - campus - building
3. Interviews are a place where you ask your questions and concerns
4. Risk
Most people don't really have a clue on how to evaluate risk. So here is my take on it. If you were accepted in Harvard Medical school you have a 98% chance of becoming an MD - you have maybe a 2% chance of not finishing all 4 years and graduating. Reasons - people get sick, injured or fail out or decide medicine is not for them.

That mean 98% out of 100 make it. So lets for conversation purposes say Harvard has a risk factor of 2 out of 100.

Now lets apply this logic to say X Island medical school like a big 3. lets say of those who start maybe 75% finish. (this is not a real number - just made up) So it has risk factor of 25 out of 100 fail to make the MD. These schools are over 25-30 years old and are now "established".

The newer schools are not sure bets - they have a high failure rate - they have issues with loans, staff, weather. so they may have a 60-70 risk factor out of 100. What happens if the school folds - this has happened to over 5 schools in this area in the last ten years.

* So the risk is to you that you will be stuck with a high interest loan 8%-12% you have to pay off by working a job most likely not in medicine most likely if you or the school fail. Not a very comforting thought - these schools fail like 60 to 70 percent of the students - failures are those student who don't make it pass the step 1 exam leaving you with any from $40,000+ to $120,000 in debt to pay off. That is your down side.

Hope this helps clear things

And for your out of 100% incoming students to harvard medical school ONLY an average of 42% graduate WITH MD... pls don't make up stuff there r kids like me who need to use resources don't pollute them.. thank you.. and also i thought you put harvard thinking its the best according to US states board of examiners and mcat's, students from George Washington University of St. Louis score the highest... :-D

Do some research next time you post facts and same goes for Moderators because this forum seems more like GOODLE ADWORDS then a resource.. with respectable moderators.. i noticed moderators arguing..lol

[MYMD]

]And for your out of 100% incoming students to harvard medical school ONLY an average of 42% graduate WITH MD.[/B].. pls don't make up stuff there r kids like me who need to use resources don't pollute them.. thank you.. and also i thought you put harvard thinking its the best according to US states board of examiners and mcat's, students from George Washington University of St. Louis score the highest... :-D

Do some research next time you post facts and same goes for Moderators because this forum seems more like GOODLE ADWORDS then a resource.. with respectable moderators.. i noticed moderators arguing..lol

Please tell me where you get such facts? Harvard Medical school is not Harvard University, they are seperate schools, like Harvard school of Law ect..... 98 to 99% graduate from Harvard School of Medicine that are accepted, please show references to the 42%, I would love to see them.

[DOCplucinski]

And for your out of 100% incoming students to harvard medical school ONLY an average of 42% graduate WITH MD... pls don't make up stuff there r kids like me who need to use resources don't pollute them.. thank you.. and also i thought you put harvard thinking its the best according to US states board of examiners and mcat's, students from George Washington University of St. Louis score the highest... :-D

Do some research next time you post facts and same goes for Moderators because this forum seems more like GOODLE ADWORDS then a resource.. with respectable moderators.. i noticed moderators arguing..lol
james was speaking of the actual medical school, not the graduate program. come on now, that's obvious.

[jameslynton]

And for your out of 100% incoming students to harvard medical school ONLY an average of 42% graduate WITH MD... pls don't make up stuff there r kids like me who need to use resources don't pollute them.. thank you.. and also i thought you put harvard thinking its the best according to US states board of examiners and mcat's, students from George Washington University of St. Louis score the highest... :-D

Do some research next time you post facts and same goes for Moderators because this forum seems more like GOODLE ADWORDS then a resource.. with respectable moderators.. i noticed moderators arguing..lol42% - please I am confused with your post 42% of what? Drop outs? I am not talking about board scores which are not published - or MCAT's which means a school takes just high MCAT scores. BTW there is no George Washington University of St. Louis it is Washington University of St. Louis that has a school of medicine. - And yes moderator do disagree.

[ncgraves]

I got accepted to all 8 schools i applied to upenn, temple, cornell, poly, rit, washington, kettering, st. john's without being interviewed..:)

I applied in my JUNIOR year... :-D I have until Jan, 08 to reply so i was just thinking of international schools and caught your comment just wanted to let you know..


Sorry, but there is no way in Hell you got into these schools without first getting an interview. I went to Washington University in St. Louis and met the Dean of med. school admissions and many people on the admissions committee...trust me, they interview ALL of their prospectives. They get almost 12,000 applications for 123 spots, so I don't think they would make an exception for you.