Some movement in the transcripts issues

[azskeptic]

The court appointed receiver of the assets of SC have submitted a request to the court to order release of transcripts to former students. I have a copy of the report to the court and the proposed orders in my possession. Students can contact the attorney

Gibbons, Del Deo, Dolan, Griffinger & Vecchione (http://www.gibbonslaw.com/attys/dsp_viewattorney.cfm?bioid=286)

and request information. The proposal would require SCIMD to release transcripts to students within 10 days of a request at no charge.

azskeptic

[robcbrady]

Dear former St. Christopher College of Medicine Students and other interested parties:

Attached please find PDF copies of the submission that we made to Judge Malone regarding the St. Christopher's Receivership. We hope this resolves many of the questions that you may have regarding student files, transcripts and other related issues.

Best Regards,

Robert C. Brady, Esq.
Gibbons, Del Deo, Dolan, Griffinger & Vecchione, P.C.4937

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[SOAP]

The court appointed receiver of the assets of SC have submitted a request to the court to order release of transcripts to former students. I have a copy of the report to the court and the proposed orders in my possession. Students can contact the attorney

Gibbons, Del Deo, Dolan, Griffinger & Vecchione (http://www.gibbonslaw.com/attys/dsp_viewattorney.cfm?bioid=286)

and request information. The proposal would require SCIMD to release transcripts to students within 10 days of a request at no charge.

azskeptic

I have all the reports (letter to Judge M, Proposed Transcript order, Proposed case mgmt, fee ap, and fee order). I find it very interesting that the financials state FS walked away with 1.6M, PL 900K, and TP 300K. I guess this answers the question of who took the money? I also have the documentation of returned funds leaving the final count at FS 1.6M, PL 600K, and TP 150K. Also on page 35 of the fee ap the receivers billed 1 hour on 1/8/07 for "conduct research re: IRS consent suspension of FS. In addition there are a total of 128 complaints against FS/SCIMD regarding transcripts and diplomas.

PS. Be careful I got 2 warnings for posting names which you did in your link.

[empathy]

Actually, there has been movement for a while now. Some students have already rec’d their transcripts without the help of an attorney. A couple have even posted here saying that they rec’d them. They just had to go through Senegal. The good news is the past issues are being resolved and the school is moving forward. It’s open, running smoothly and students are steadily moving towards graduation day. Everything you mentioned here, old admin included, is St. Chris’ past not its future.

[azskeptic]

You guys are like a bunch of women gossiping and feeding on a drama high. Reading this forum is the equivalent of watching a soap opera. All drama and no truth. Here’s a news flash. Actually, there has been movement for a while now. Some students have already rec’d their transcripts without the help of an attorney. A couple have even posted here saying that they rec’d them. They just had to go through Senegal. The good news is the past issues are being resolved and the school is moving forward. It’s open, running smoothly and students are steadily moving towards graduation day. Everything you mentioned here, P.L. included, is St. Chris’ past not its future. reading the officer of the courts info one sees that not all are getting transcripts smoothly or the receiver of the school wouldn't be applying for a court order to be directed to the new entity SCIMD. I applaud that the courts are involved in sorting out this mess.

[empathy]

they are resolving past issues regarding former students who found themselves caught in the crossfire between St. Chris and the old admin. When the school split apart last year. Soap said he rec'd his within a few days by calling the old admin directly. The judge should question how the old admin was able to get him his transcript so quickly. None of this has any affect on current students.

reading the officer of the courts info one sees that not all are getting transcripts smoothly or the receiver of the school wouldn't be applying for a court order to be directed to the new entity SCIMD. I applaud that the courts are involved in sorting out this mess.

[azskeptic]

they are resolving past issues regarding former students who found themselves caught in the crossfire between St. Chris and P.L. When the school split apart last year. Soap said he rec'd his within a few days by calling P.L. directly. The judge should question how P.L. was able to get him his transcript so quickly. None of this has any affect on current students. So there is no confusion the SC school was owned by PL (60%) and FS(40%) according to this paperwork.

If I was a current student I think I'd be carefully investigating the research that the court receivers have put together. It speaks loudly of potential problems students can have from a school run by the previous management/ownership also.

[empathy]

what the old admin told me directly was that he was an er doc in florida, he was approached by a group from senegal and was one of 4 men who opened a med school in england...so this isn't true???

So there is no confusion the SC school was owned by PL (60%) and FS(40%) according to this paperwork.

If I was a current student I think I'd be carefully investigating the research that the court receivers have put together. It speaks loudly of potential problems students can have from a school run by the previous management/ownership also.

[SOAP]

they are resolving past issues regarding former students who found themselves caught in the crossfire between St. Chris and P.L. When the school split apart last year. Soap said he rec'd his within a few days by calling P.L. directly. The judge should question how P.L. was able to get him his transcript so quickly. None of this has any affect on current students.

A very simple answer, I called the NJ number (still in operation) and spoke with SP. She told me 8 weeks to get a transcript. I then called PL and told him I would be dismissed if I had to wait 8 weeks. He called SP and had her issue my transcript by the end of the week. What I think you are looking for is that PL was still in possession of student files at that time and unlike FS or the Senegalese the office functioned at a much higher professional level.

[SOAP]

So there is no confusion the SC school was owned by PL (60%) and FS(40%) according to this paperwork.

If I was a current student I think I'd be carefully investigating the research that the court receivers have put together. It speaks loudly of potential problems students can have from a school run by the previous management/ownership also.

I believe PL owned 40% and his X 20%. But given these percentiles don't you think it's evident that FS took the funds as documented by the letter to judge M?

[SOAP]

what P.L. told me directly was that he was an er doc in florida, he was approached by a group from senegal and was one of 4 men who opened a med school in england...so this isn't true???

You need to read with better understanding. The document stated PL was named owner for tax reasons. It's the distribution % that important, which by the way they didn't address.

[empathy]

I just think we should maintain proper prospective here. The school minus the old admin is moving forward and doing well. The transcript issue began shortly after the split. Some students found themselves caught in a tug of war between the old admin and the school. There's been several rumors as to why some former students aren't getting their transcripts. Some have posted that the old admin destroyed them which must not be true because you said in a post that you called him and were able to get yours in a few days. I doubt he has access to the school's computers, offices or staff so he must of had the info stored some where. Which might be why the school has not been able to get them to the proper owners...the students. Even Az posted in the past that the old admin claimed to own them. Who knows...but hopefully the judge will be able to sort it out. Everyone wants to see that happen and if a judge can help I say, 'go for it'. It might get sticky for a while because the old admin is REALLY good at telling stories but the school will prevail. After the dust settles they'll still be standing. So, let's stay mindful of the fact that none of this has to do with the school today....it's just a past issue that needs to be sorted out and luckily, soon it will be. Actually, in a very warped way you are helping them.

[empathy]

the NJ office had been closed for some time when you made your post. You had gone to F.S. office, etc. prior to calling the old admin....remember what you told us. With the old office's number disconnected I wondered how you got ahold of him. Also, other students posted here that they had called the NJ office regarding info after the GMC investigation began and they did not find it professional at all. Remember the posts in those days...no one answered and when one guy did he appeared not to know anything at all about the investigation and so on.

A very simple answer, I called the NJ number (still in operation) and spoke with SP. She told me 8 weeks to get a transcript. I then called PL and told him I would be dismissed if I had to wait 8 weeks. He called SP and had her issue my transcript by the end of the week. What I think you are looking for is that PL was still in possession of student files at that time and unlike FS or the Senegalese the office functioned at a much higher professional level.

[stevejohnson]

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[empathy]

One version has unfolded. We've heard from one side of this case. Seen the documents they submitted to the judge. Remember there are two sides to every story and two sets of attorneys. Usually the side that is calm, quiet and wearing a slight grin is the one holding the winning hand. The fact that we haven't heard from anyone from St. Chris today speaks volumes.

[Aviv Imanuel]

I believe PL owned 40% and his X 20%. But given these percentiles don't you think it's evident that FS took the funds as documented by the letter to judge M?

However you state on an earlier post..."FS walked away with 1.6M, PL 900K, and TP 300K. I guess this answers the question of who took the money? I also have the documentation of returned funds leaving the final count at FS 1.6M, PL 600K, and TP 150K."

If FS walked away with 1.6M, PL with 900k and TP with 300k, but the returned funds were...FS 1.6M, PL 600k and TP 150k. It means PL pocketed 300k and TP 150k...correct? How does that make evident that FS took the funds? Can you clarify this?

[Azrealist]

none of this information is new to any of the st chris students really... most of this has been known for a long time.

PL, FS, TP have all been subpoenad to finally settle up where the rest of the money is...

and now everyone will finally start to believe me when i said that PL had all kinds of dummy companies set up to channel away money... as seen with his "real estate" company

and the news that FS took money is not new information either.. everyone knew that... and i think that when all the bank accounts and all the tracing of the money comes to light... they will all be equally guilty of taking the money... and probably alot more than people here realize...which again is not new to any of the st chris kids...

Just to clarify things... the courts actually asked to have the documents posted up here on VMD because it seems to be a place that enough of the former students come that they actually ordered that it be put up here... they also ordered that all the documents be sent to ROSS, and AUA also...

if i get permission to post up the bar order with the deadlines and full orders i will.. but since its not mine we'll wait and see...

so again.. none of this is new... but the important thing is that finally PL gave up the files and now students can finally start getting transcripts processed and move on with their lives... and this forum can RIP...

[whats_up_doc]

who u call to get the transcripts at the end of the day

[empathy]

When are you guys going to learn that spin doesn’t work. The truth is the school is moving forward and doing well despite the fact that they have to spend so much time cleaning up the old admin’s messes. This thread is actually very good news…it should be the last hurled in dealing with the guy. I’m sure the case has been assigned to an excellent judge. Looking forward to reading the final verdict. No doubt it will be Azrealist who posts it. Soap and Az aren’t going to like the outcome.

:dancepar:

[Azrealist]

who u call to get the transcripts at the end of the day


that depends on your situation and weither or not FS has a copy of your file or PL/TP took it before he could get a hold of it

No matter what your situation, if FS has a complete file on you, then you call him.

If FS doesn't have a complete file then it depends on what you want.

If you want an unofficial copy then you can call the recevier and they'll send it to anywhere you want (i think they're charging $25.. but not sure). Ross and AUA have already said that these are not acceptable for them so i'm guessing it useless, but maybe thats all you need.

If you want an official transcript and FS doesn't have your file then you need to contact the receiver, have him send it to FS who will process it, send it to senegal for approval and then have an official transcript produced.

if you're in a different situation than the above, then say so and i'll try to get an answer for you

[gambino]

The only way PL or TP would have anyone's transcripts now is via having stolen the computer hard drives in the UK which they had ordered their cronies to do back at the time when the MUA merger was first "announced" by PL. I have 3 classmates as well as several eye witnesses who saw one former secretary employed by PL and another that he had allegedly made a business partner -- brazenly walk into the school and cart off computer equipment, hard drives, and school files. All of this happened despite JF's lawsuit in the UK, (which supposedly had an injunction on anyone entering the building)

Speaking of JF's lawsuit, here is what he ended up doing with the money that he collected from the students:

News About Flood International Consulting Agency (http://www.floodconsulting.com/news.html)

so students who went to this school got raped financially many times -- once by PL and his mistress TP. Than by our "christian" savior JF who took students money and made himself a nice side business from it.

regards,
g

the NJ office had been closed for some time when you made your post. You had gone to F.S. office, etc. prior to calling the old admin....remember what you told us. With the old office's number disconnected I wondered how you got ahold of him. Also, other students posted here that they had called the NJ office regarding info after the GMC investigation began and they did not find it professional at all. Remember the posts in those days...no one answered and when one guy did he appeared not to know anything at all about the investigation and so on.

[empathy]

Just because someone opens a new business doesn’t mean they stole money to do it.

[Azrealist]

no just because he opened up a new buisness doesn't mean he stole money... or used that money to start it up...

but....

i have e-mails from him saying that once his case is done he would refund peoples money.... as far as i know no one got money back... and i know he got a decent chunk of money...

also i know that he received money from PL as part of the settlement to cover his lawsuit costs... still nothing back to students

also i know that he decided to drop out of school to become a "consultant" and was paid a LARGE sum of money by SCIMD to help secure some rotations which never happened and the money was never returned...

also i know that he is currently being paid alot of money by IAUA (or whatever that new school is) to be a "consultant" and he gave them the rotations he promised to set up for SCIMD...

and lets not forget the money he and his friend tried to extort out of SCIMD for the website that was created partly by them

and this is only what i know for a fact and not even half of the rumors of the scams he was trying to pull on everyone involved...

turned out JF was only looking out for himself during this whole mess and was trying to get rich quick...

[gambino]

You are right, however I am not saying he took the students money straight up and got seed money for his new 'business' but rather, chose to settle with PL behind the students back and got paid and bought off by PL to make his suit go away. If I am wrong, than I would like someone to please bring evidence disproving me on this point.
Some of his other business partners transferred to Ross, yet to this day not one student has been refunded a dime for contributing to the lawsuit as promissed and despite the settlement between JF and PL.

regards
g

Just because someone opens a new business doesn’t mean they stole money to do it. There were legal proceedings in the UK and when you pay an attorney anywhere from $150.00 to $275.00 an hour and they bill you for every phone call, sneeze and bathroom break the bills tally up into the thousands in no time. 2 hours = $300.00 to $550.00 dollars. 4 hours = $600.00 to $1100.00. You get what I’m saying. I doubt you guys donated enough to even pay the attorney’s retainer fee = $2500.00 to $5000.00. The really good ones can run as high as $10,000 to retain depending on the case and this is an extremely complex one. It involves 3 different continents and several well know organizations have been involved….both the General Medical Council of England and the British Broadcast Company have done investigations. If, I were an attorney I’d charge top dollar.

[empathy]

I'm not disagreeing with you on anything. Just playing devil's adocate. Don't worry. It will all catch up to both J.F. and the old admin. No one gets away with anything in this life. It all comes at a price.

[Azrealist]

chose to settle with PL behind the students back and got paid and bought off by PL to make his suit go away.



this is a misconception or mis-understanding people have...

JF's case didn't go away... JF actually did win the "freeze" order which was the first part of his lawsuit... and won money to cover his legal costs (which was his settlement)...

PL offered JF money to drop it completely but JF got greedy and thought that he was going to make millions... problem was that PL was smart enough not to keep money in the UK.. all profits and money was sent back to the US through all of his companies.. once JF's lawyers in the UK did some digging and found that there was no real money there... he dropped the damages case because there was no money to be won...

by that time the rest of us had already started the case in the US where the money was and JF tried to weasel into thing here but got stopped quickly by everyone else...

just to show what a weasel JF really is.. he offered the lawyer of the rest of the students 50k to drop them as clients and take him on instead.... obviously the lawyer laughed as this is completely un-ethical and rediculous


as everyone see's now.. the US suit is actually making alot of headway in getting the students their money back...

[AUCMD2006]

so basically it is P L jr, well he learned from the master...wonder if jf introduces himself as a ER doc? great news on thne Us side, students may actually win out of this one and it hopefully sets precedent for any of the other 30 shady schools in the Caribbean with offices in the US

[Azrealist]

wonder if jf introduces himself as a ER doc? great news on thne Us side, students may actually win out of this one and it hopefully sets precedent for any of the other 30 shady schools in the Caribbean with offices in the US

well he must have told someone he is an MD.. bc one of those court docs refer to him as Dr F as far as i know JF never finished his 4th year.. and never passed any of the boards...

it really is great news on the US side.. this doesn't just affect the shady schools but even the bigger more established schools... screw enough people over on the islands or a different country.. it will come back and bite you where it hurts.. in the wallet...

[AUCMD2006]

well he must have told someone he is an MD.. bc one of those court docs refer to him as Dr F as far as i know JF never finished his 4th year.. and never passed any of the boards...

it really is great news on the US side.. this doesn't just affect the shady schools but even the bigger more established schools... screw enough people over on the islands or a different country.. it will come back and bite you where it hurts.. in the wallet...


there is some p[recedent there also. in the early 80's auc was sued by a student in the Us and he won his tuition back so suing a foreign school is possible as shown by these two things. you are right the established schools need to watch out too... at least the cali, ny, staffords keep them minimally honest