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IMG SURVIVOR
12-13-2006, 08:58 PM
Who can tell the main difference between DO and MD?
How many DO graduate every year?
I know that for MD the number have been the same in the last 50 years(from AMA statistics)
And if you want to share yoy toughts go ahead.
Who they will choose first a IMG or a DO?
THANKS
AmericanIMG
12-13-2006, 09:04 PM
your post doesn't really make sense but i will try to answer it...
DOs learn the basic MD medicine, plus other medicine. i personally believe a DO from a US school is worth more than a MD from the Carib.
DOs have the opportunity for MD as well as DO residencies...ortho is easier as a DO.
in the end, no one cares if you are DO or MD, just if you are licensed and responsible.
your post doesn't really make sense but i will try to answer it...
DOs learn the basic MD medicine, plus other medicine. i personally believe a DO from a US school is worth more than a MD from the Carib.
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Why would you say that? DO's I know say there is way less Biochem in the program ( from what I have studied in pharm/path/physio/ and biochem, it is very important to life/function and treatments) and the things they are taught "Extra" Is more like a Chiropractor and some of them are being sued for manipulations that have injured and paralyzed people. I'm not so sure I agree that disease can be cured with just manipulation, this is from the late 19th and early 20th century, don't you think medicine has come light years since then? Just my 2 cents.
Oh I think a Caribbean MD is superior to the DO again my opinion but I can practice in countries a DO cannot as a physician.
what up doc
12-13-2006, 10:35 PM
I am not sure but i have heard that a DO is only recognized in the USA and not around the world, so u cant practice anywhere xecpt the USA. I agree with MYMD on the fact that a Carib MD is better than DO because of the sole fact that you can practice in any country in the world (so what if u cant practice in a few states - is it really that much of a difference)......
ak7083
12-14-2006, 01:52 AM
1. Probably 200+ hrs of OMM. Internship 1 yr in certain states. COMLEX
2. http://www.osteopathic.org/pdf/ost_factsheet.pdf
Depends which DO school accepts me.
ak7083
12-14-2006, 01:55 AM
I am not sure but i have heard that a DO is only recognized in the USA and not around the world, so u cant practice anywhere xecpt the USA. I agree with MYMD on the fact that a Carib MD is better than DO because of the sole fact that you can practice in any country in the world (so what if u cant practice in a few states - is it really that much of a difference)......
There are countries that do.
International DO Practice Rights - Student Doctor Network Forums
Doc2010
12-14-2006, 02:26 AM
Why would you say that? DO's I know say there is way less Biochem in the program ( from what I have studied in pharm/path/physio/ and biochem, it is very important to life/function and treatments) and the things they are taught "Extra" Is more like a Chiropractor and some of them are being sued for manipulations that have injured and paralyzed people. I'm not so sure I agree that disease can be cured with just manipulation, this is from the late 19th and early 20th century, don't you think medicine has come light years since then? Just my 2 cents.
Oh I think a Caribbean MD is superior to the DO again my opinion but I can practice in countries a DO cannot as a physician.
Your anecdotal evidence does not prove anything. Show me some source to back up your claim. And your comments about people getting paralyzed because of OMM is inappropriate. You seem to make it sound like MDs have never made any mistakes. If you need to know why OMM works, you need to go to Journal of the American Osteopathic Association (http://www.jaoa.org) and see some of the articles. There are lot of allopathic institutes that are currently doing research on OMM techniques. Yes there are some OMM techniques which are not scientific but there are others which have been proven effective.
ak7083
12-14-2006, 02:31 AM
1. I agree that this question smells.
2. DOs dont get the bums rush:rolleyes:. But Im planning to go into Primary care so I dont care much.
3. DOs are eligible for allopathic and osteo residencies but conversley no. i say DISCRIMINATION! ha ha ha
4. Yeh
Yes I know I might of spelled conversley wrong.
Your anecdotal evidence does not prove anything. Show me some source to back up your claim. And your comments about people getting paralyzed because of OMM is inappropriate. You seem to make it sound like MDs have never made any mistakes. If you need to know why OMM works, you need to go to Journal of the American Osteopathic Association (http://www.jaoa.org) and see some of the articles. There are lot of allopathic institutes that are currently doing research on OMM techniques. Yes there are some OMM techniques which are not scientific but there are others which have been proven effective.
How is the fact that DO's cannot practice in some Countries anecdotal evidence? That is such a poor argument! It is a fact my friend, your post is anecdotal and The Journal of the American Osteopathic Association has articles, stories, facts are the key in medicine. I posted a solid fact not summation.
1. I agree that this question smells.
2. DOs dont get the bums rush:rolleyes:. But Im planning to go into Primary care so I dont care much.
3. DOs are eligible for allopathic and osteo residencies but conversley no. i say DISCRIMINATION! ha ha ha
4. Yeh
Yes I know I might of spelled conversley wrong.
As long as you BUY into OMM curing a lot of things that science may not agree with. Thats the part I'm still trying to understand myself. I admit I want to know more about OMM I think there may be valid treatments with OMM but so far some I highly question.
1. Probably 200+ hrs of OMM. Internship 1 yr in certain states. COMLEX
2. http://www.osteopathic.org/pdf/ost_factsheet.pdf
Depends which DO school accepts me. Yep my point You do not have to do the "Extra Hoops" Like two Licensure tests from the Caribbean.
One thing I hate about this site is too many post that an Opinion is Right or Wrong, Huh? An opinion is neither, ( "only a Sith believes in absolutes")
I do want to see the other side, just dont post "your wrong" with out proof, cut and past with reference. lets have a good discussion not so defensive or emotional, Like my opinion is going to bring down the DO world please..........
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Your anecdotal evidence does not prove anything. Show me some source to back up your claim. And your comments about people getting paralyzed because of OMM is inappropriate. You seem to make it sound like MDs have never made any mistakes. If you need to know why OMM works, you need to go to Journal of the American Osteopathic Association (http://www.jaoa.org) and see some of the articles. There are lot of allopathic institutes that are currently doing research on OMM techniques. Yes there are some OMM techniques which are not scientific but there are others which have been proven effective.
No way? Really Anecdotal:
Saskatchewan
Scope of Practice: limited to OMM
Requirements: Must have completed at least 1 year of AOA-approved GME.
Contact: College of Physicians and Surgeons of Saskatchewan
211 Fourth Avenue South
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan S7K 1N1
CANADA
(306) 244-7355
College of Physicians and Surgeons of Saskatchewan (http://www.quadrant.net/cpss)
Newfoundland
Scope of Practice to be determined
Requirements: in 2002, the College committed itself to seeing that the government establishes a registration pathway for U.S.-educated D.O.s. It is anticipated that establishing guidelines may take a couple of years.
Contact: Newfoundland Medical Board
139 Water Street, Suite 603
St. John?s Newfoundland A1C 1B2
CANADA
(709) 726-8546
Denmark
Year of Last Request: 1995
Scope of Practice: unknown
The AOA did not receive a response to its request for information on how a U.S. educated D.O. could obtain licensure.
Contact: Danish National Board of Health
PO Box 2020
Amaliegade 13
DK-1012 Copenhagen
DENMARK
France
Year of Last Request: 1988
Scope of Practice: limited to manipulation
A work permit is necessary for a foreign-trained physician to practice in France. Osteopathic medicine is not recognized by the government, so only M.D.s can obtain full practice rights.
Contact: Conseil National de l?Ordre des Medecins
180 Boulevard Haussmann
F-75389 Paris Cedex 07
FRANCE
:::::::: Conseil National de l'Ordre des Médecins :::::::: (http://www.conseil-national.medecin.fr)
Great Britain
Year of Last Request: 1998
Scope of Practice: limited to manipulation
The General Medical Council of Great Britain has consistently denied U.S.-trained D.O.s full practice rights and has declined the AOA's request to permit D.O.s to sit for the medical examination. This may be due in part to the large presence of British "osteopaths," who are non-physician health care providers who practice much like chiropractors.
Contact: Administrative Officer
The Osteopathic Association of Great Britain
62 Messina Avenue
London NW6 4LE
GREAT BRITAIN
India
Year of Last Request: 1999
Scope of Practice: undetermined
The AOA received a response to its 1998 inquiry regarding licensure of US-trained DOs. The Medical Council of India stated that osteopathic medicine degree is not recognized for the purpose of IMC Act, 1956. However, they did state that a DO might apply after getting Indian nationality and after implementation of screening test Regulation/Provision in the Indian Medical Council Act.
Contact: Delhi Medical Council
RM NO 356-357 3rd Floor
Bahadur Shah Zafar Marg
New Delhi 110002
INDIA
Ireland
Year of Last Request: 1999
Scope of Practice: denied
The AOA has written numerous letters to various government agencies in Ireland. At its August 1998 meeting, the Education and Training Committee reviewed pertinent information regarding the osteopathic education and training. The Medical Council on the recommendation of its Education and Training Committee decided to once again deny licensure to U.S.-trained D.O.s because osteopathic medical schools are not recognized by the Liaison Committee on Medical Education, the U.S. allopathic medical school accreditation body. In 2000, the AOA once again wrote to The Medical Council on the behalf of a U.S. educated D.O. who will be traveling with an American sports group as the team physician to compete in Ireland. The request was for approval to treat U.S. citizen while in Ireland. The response from The
Medical Council has been that they will take the matter under consideration.
Contact: Registrar
Medical Council of Ireland
Portobello Court
Lower Rathmines Road
Dublin 6
IRELAND
Doctor registration Ireland, registry of medical specialists, fitness to practice & complaints procedure - The Irish Medical Council (http://www.medicalcouncil.ie)
Jamaica
Year of Last Request: 1994
Scope of Practice: limited
The AOA has researched licensure in Jamaica through a specific mission project presented to the Minister of Health by a group of U.S.-trained D.O.s. While the request for D.O. degree recognition and full practice rights were initially denied by the Minister, the D.O.s were permitted to supply some services while participating in the mission.
Contact: Chief Medical Officer
Medical Council of Jamaica
10 Caldonia Avenue
Kingston 5
JAMAICA
Korea
Year of Last Request: 1995
Scope of Practice: unknown
AOA file information includes a request for information regarding the "Korean Society of Osteopathic College of Radiology," but no response was received.
Contact: Ministry of Health & Welfare
1, Chungang-Dong
14
Kwachon
Kyonggi-Do
REPUBLIC OF KOREA
Luxembourg
Year of Last Request: 1987
Scope of Practice: unlimited, but difficult to obtain
The practice of medicine in Luxembourg by a doctor who is not a national of the European Economic Community is very rare.
Contact: Ministere de la Sante
57 Boulevard de la Perusse
L2320
LUXEMBOURG
Malaysia
Year of Last Request: 1993
Scope of Practice: denied
Malaysian law does not allow for osteopathic medical practice, therefore the Ministry denied the AOA's request for practice rights.
Contact: Malaysian Medical Council
Ministry of Health
50590 Kuala Lempur
MALAYSIA
Mexico
Year of Last Request: 1998
Scope of Practice: previously denied
Previous AOA file information indicated that D.O. licensure could not be obtained in Mexico unless through the association of a short-term mission project, such as the osteopathic physician group "DOCARE." No physician, D.O. or M.D., may practice in Mexico without working papers, which requires completion of a five-year residency and after which services are given on a limited basis and under the supervision of a Mexican M.D. Political connections are extremely helpful but do not necessarily guarantee licensure.
Contact: Mexico Secretaria-Educacion Publica
Insurgentes sur 1397, 2 01000
Mexico
Norway
Year of Last Request: 1990
Scope of Practice: limited to manipulation
Although D.O.s are able to obtain a license to practice only manipulation in Norway, they are not permitted to use the title "doctor" and all osteopathic services are not covered for payment under Norway's socialized medicine system.
Contact: Directorate of Health of Norway
Post Boks 8128
N-0032 Oslo 1
NORWAY
Scotland
Year of Request: 1998
Scope of Practice: denied
An osteopathic physician sponsored by the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons was denied licensure based on the fact that osteopathic medical schools are not accredited by WHO. The AOA supplied the physician with information on osteopathic accreditation and also supplied information that WHO is not an accrediting agency for any medical schools in the U.S.
South Africa
Year of Last Request: 1996
Scope of Practice: limited to manipulation
Osteopathic medicine is not legislatively defined and many barriers exist in licensing foreign-trained physicians despite the crucial need (there is only one doctor per 3,400 black South Africans). In 1996, the AOA wrote a letter to the South African Medical Council on behalf of a D.O. who was part of a medical mission team going to South Africa. The medical council did not wish to grant the U.S.-trained D.O. a temporary license to do medical missions work.
Contact: Registrar
Health Professions Council of South Africa
PO Box 205
Pretoria, Gauteng 0001
SOUTH AFRICA
http://www.hpcsa.co.za (http://www.hpcsa.co.za/)
Spain
Year of Last Request: 1994
Scope of Practice: denied
Osteopathic medicine is not regulated in Spain and therefore, per the Secretary General of the Spanish Ministry of Health, D.O.s may not obtain physician licenses.
Contact: Collegi Oficial de Metges de Barcelona
Centre of Studies
Corsega 257 Parl 08036
Barcelona Catalonia
SPAIN
Spanish Consejo General de Colegios Medicos
Villaneuva 114
E-28001 Madrid
SPAIN
http://www.cgcom.org/ome0.htm
Switzerland
Year of Last Request: 1993
Scope of Practice: denied
Only Swiss citizens and "recognized refugees" are eligible to sit for the state-administered physician licensure exams. Passage of the examinations is the first step in receiving a license. After the examination process, one must obtain a work permit in order to participate in a post doctoral training program (residency) of which there are far less positions than applicants. This work permit expires after twelve months and cannot be renewed. Further, osteopathic medicine is not recognized by the Swiss government.
Contact: Swiss Medical Association
Elfenstrasse 18
3000 Bern 16
SWITZERLAND
http://www.fmh.ch (http://www.fmh.ch/)
Look there are major Countries here Like France and Great Britian, Heck Mexico,Spain, Scotland, DO is limited or denied or so far unknown if they can practice. New Zealand has just approved DO's in 2005 so thats good news. But these are the facts! and this is not a full list.
You are Denied in the country in some cases not just 1 state out of 50.
As far as I know Caribbean Grads practice as MD's in these countries.
As I said evidence is the best!
Doc2010
12-14-2006, 01:46 PM
Thank you for pointing this out but that is not what I was arguring. I was questioning your claim about DO students not trained in enough Biochemistry. Your other claim about people getting paralyzed is anecdotal, and even if that happened, it is not because he got his training at osteopathic medical school. This is just a sign of bad doctor. There are several MDs who are the same. I already know that you will not be able to practice in some countries. If you want to practice out of US, go to carribean.
No way? Really Anecdotal:
Look there are major Countries here Like France and Great Britian, Heck Mexico,Spain, Scotland, DO is limited or denied or so far unknown if they can practice. New Zealand has just approved DO's in 2005 so thats good news. But these are the facts! and this is not a full list.
You are Denied in the country in some cases not just 1 state out of 50.
As far as I know Caribbean Grads practice as MD's in these countries.
As I said evidence is the best!
ak7083
12-14-2006, 01:50 PM
I think these extra hoops you talk of are only in a couple of mid-western states.
If you want to practice out of US, go to carribean.
Ditto
ak7083
12-14-2006, 01:53 PM
As long as you BUY into OMM curing a lot of things that science may not agree with. Thats the part I'm still trying to understand myself. I admit I want to know more about OMM I think there may be valid treatments with OMM but so far some I highly question.
Its good to question things.
MDs can also learn OMM. You dont necessarily have to practice OMM either.
ak7083
12-14-2006, 01:57 PM
There are also places that a DO can practice unlimited.
International DO Practice Rights - Student Doctor Network Forums
If you want to the right to practice all over the world, by all means go to the carribean.
Also go to the carrib if you just want to have a MD after your name.
Habeeb it!
There are also places that a DO can practice unlimited.
International DO Practice Rights - Student Doctor Network Forums (http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=107627)
Oh yeah but I was being told I was anecdotal in posting limitations, so yeah it's a negative post , But I feel there is too much propaganda, How can DO's be putting Caribbean down when they have their own problems? US MD is the best choice after that I now see DO and Caribbean as equals, too many buy into "DO is better than Caribbean" It's not it's the same if you compare the advantages and disadvantages except international practice, Caribbean has DO beat. Things are not always so "Black and White".
Thank you for pointing this out but that is not what I was arguring. I was questioning your claim about DO students not trained in enough Biochemistry. Your other claim about people getting paralyzed is anecdotal, and even if that happened, it is not because he got his training at osteopathic medical school. This is just a sign of bad doctor. There are several MDs who are the same. I already know that you will not be able to practice in some countries. If you want to practice out of US, go to carribean.
SO now to make you happy I have to go around the web and pull all the law suits for Manipulation and all the postings of DO students who have stated Biochem is a weakness? WOW Sorry I take back the Biochem ( although I have read this a lot) and the law suits certainly not, with enough time I know I can get that proof! Good point. Biochem is argumentative anyway. SO I take that one back.:(
BTW since this is so sensitive I'm PRO DO, its not for me but I do and will in practice have respect for them, just because I disagree with some things doesn't mean we are not equals nor that the treatments they do are wrong, in some cases I still do not understand them . I'm just pointing out the problems in a place that's non DO to avoid problems, and hoepfully I learn some new things.
ak7083
12-14-2006, 02:10 PM
Oh yeah but I was being told I was anecdotal in posting limitations, so yeah it's a negative post
ok--i never said that.
I was just saying by posting a link that there are places where a DO can have unlimited practice rights...and again that link I provided could be wrong. As you said, it may be propaganda.
Deal w/ the propaganda. Its everywhere.
Im not a DO (Im a Premed) but I wouldnt put a carrib MD down. I would seriously consider a Carrib MD.
Carrib, DO and MD schools have problems too.
ok--i never said that.
I was just saying by posting a link that there are places where a DO can have unlimited practice rights...and again that link I provided could be wrong. As you said, it may be propaganda.
Deal w/ the propaganda. Its everywhere.
Im not a DO (Im a Premed) but I wouldnt put a carrib MD down. I would seriously consider a Carrib MD.
Carrib, DO and MD schools have problems too.
Yeah I know I feel that I must be careful thats all too many see things one way or another you can't be in the "middle" I would like to think I have an opened mind. OMM is the thing that kept me out of DO school. The rest is fine. I do believe is a holistic approach.
ak7083
12-14-2006, 04:24 PM
What do you mean by the middle?
What do you mean by the middle?
Just that you see negatives and positives of both sides, a lot of people seem to act "you against or for" I'm against no one but myself and the USLME if I was in DO then it would be the COMLEX
Just because there is a down side to something does not make it bad.
billydoc
12-17-2006, 12:09 PM
I don't know guys why there is so much debate. Generally speaking most attendings I've spoken to tell me the same thing. If you are a U.S or Canadian IMG it is assumed that you didn't get in US MD nor D.O school. Therefore you ventured to a foreign land to get your MD. I know it may not be a fair assessment, but there is no real debate MD vs DO in the real World, it's more like U.S vs Foreign degree. Because U.S grads (both MD and D.O) get priority in the match. The leftovers go to the FMGs and U.S IMGs. So how is that really advantagious to be a foreign vs American grad? Forget the stupid arguement of MD vs DO. D.O gets the same exact education as MDs do plus the OMM training. It's not less but rather more schooling.
billydoc
12-17-2006, 12:21 PM
I know lots of ppl who are either still in clinicals or are already interviewing and soon to be done with ROSS. Basically all say the same thing, that they were very naive premeds caring too much about what it'll say behind their names. All say that if they had to do it again they'll pick U.S D.o over Carib MD in a heartbeat. I don't know if most ppl who are posting are at the level where it really does matter, but I'll say this...if you really want something competative then think hard. Things are getting more difficult wit new D.O schools popping up, and even some new MD schools in the U.S.A. Once those schools start pumping out graduates things will get even tougher for IMGs, and it will be more difficult to find hospitals for clinicals, b/c U.S students are ALWAYS accomadated forst. So if you can just pick the school in U.S, IMHO.
swimguy23
12-17-2006, 01:27 PM
I know lots of ppl who are either still in clinicals or are already interviewing and soon to be done with ROSS. Basically all say the same thing, that they were very naive premeds caring too much about what it'll say behind their names. All say that if they had to do it again they'll pick U.S D.o over Carib MD in a heartbeat. I don't know if most ppl who are posting are at the level where it really does matter, but I'll say this...if you really want something competative then think hard. Things are getting more difficult wit new D.O schools popping up, and even some new MD schools in the U.S.A. Once those schools start pumping out graduates things will get even tougher for IMGs, and it will be more difficult to find hospitals for clinicals, b/c U.S students are ALWAYS accomadated forst. So if you can just pick the school in U.S, IMHO.
Dude, I have rotated with a lot of DO's that say they wish they went to the carib but didnt research it enough. Its all antecdotal evidence at best. As I have been interviewing I have met many residents from carib schools in competitive programs. Things are getting more difficult but its not much different for DO's. Many DO schools share the same hospitals caribs do.....I know bc I rotated witha ton of them. There is not one better path between carib or DO but its all up to preference and claiming anything other than that shows a belief in circumstantial opinions which are useless
btw i have also met a ton of residents who have said if they could do it again they would never do medicine.....all US grads......now should we all start running from hospitals? come on
swimguy23
12-17-2006, 01:31 PM
I don't know guys why there is so much debate. Generally speaking most attendings I've spoken to tell me the same thing. If you are a U.S or Canadian IMG it is assumed that you didn't get in US MD nor D.O school. Therefore you ventured to a foreign land to get your MD. I know it may not be a fair assessment, but there is no real debate MD vs DO in the real World, it's more like U.S vs Foreign degree. Because U.S grads (both MD and D.O) get priority in the match. The leftovers go to the FMGs and U.S IMGs. So how is that really advantagious to be a foreign vs American grad? Forget the stupid arguement of MD vs DO. D.O gets the same exact education as MDs do plus the OMM training. It's not less but rather more schooling.
DO's do not get "more" training. That argument is basically propoganda, as was explained to me during clinicals by the 100+ DO students I have rotated with.....MD and DO are equivalent in training and education and some programs emphasize different aspects
stephew
12-17-2006, 01:51 PM
actually to most PDs both IMGs and DOs are views as US allo rejects. the few who assume IMGs are do rejects are fairly limited and any pro IMG or pro Do bias over the other really reflects the experience of the PD. its completely wrong to suggest current PDs on the whole believe most offshore students tried and failed to get a DO position.
I don't know guys why there is so much debate. Generally speaking most attendings I've spoken to tell me the same thing. If you are a U.S or Canadian IMG it is assumed that you didn't get in US MD nor D.O school. Therefore you ventured to a foreign land to get your MD. I know it may not be a fair assessment, but there is no real debate MD vs DO in the real World, it's more like U.S vs Foreign degree. Because U.S grads (both MD and D.O) get priority in the match. The leftovers go to the FMGs and U.S IMGs. So how is that really advantagious to be a foreign vs American grad? Forget the stupid arguement of MD vs DO. D.O gets the same exact education as MDs do plus the OMM training. It's not less but rather more schooling.
bkpa2med
12-21-2006, 11:39 PM
actually to most PDs both IMGs and DOs are views as US allo rejects. the few who assume IMGs are do rejects are fairly limited and any pro IMG or pro Do bias over the other really reflects the experience of the PD. its completely wrong to suggest current PDs on the whole believe most offshore students tried and failed to get a DO position.
Thing is that many students at DO Medical Schools, could of went US MD and chose not to. I don't believe that any person has chosen Caribb MD over US MD.
billydoc
12-22-2006, 12:04 PM
I guess we can always agree to disagree. One thing I entirely agree with you guys is D.O vs IMG is a very regional issue. but most IMGs here in NY say to me they should've gone to NYCOM instead of SGU and ROSS. Not that there is anything wrong with those schools. But things are drying up. BTW many Carib schools are using AOA hospitals for their rotations. Asisde from the licensing issues that may very well arise later on, there will be a lot less spots to do the rotations with the new D.O schools openning.
swimguy23
12-22-2006, 12:15 PM
I guess we can always agree to disagree. One thing I entirely agree with you guys is D.O vs IMG is a very regional issue. but most IMGs here in NY say to me they should've gone to NYCOM instead of SGU and ROSS. Not that there is anything wrong with those schools. But things are drying up. BTW many Carib schools are using AOA hospitals for their rotations. Asisde from the licensing issues that may very well arise later on, there will be a lot less spots to do the rotations with the new D.O schools openning.
Its not so much using "DO hospitals" but its more the fact that certain hospitals have DO residencies.....Take wyckoff for instance. Every rotation there is MD except for OB (at least in the past)......so wyckoff is not DO but OB was.
Also, surgery was technically "MD" through bronx lebanon despite havign all DO residents. They lost their affiliation and obtained a new one and now there are MD residents there. Also, in OB they had 3, yes 3 residents when i rotated through there. They could not get enough DO residents and therefore now have an affiliation with MD. I think a lot of what your opinions are is antecdotal.....but important to consider
I dont see hospitals dropping caribbean schools bc generally the hospitals that provide rotations for DO and caribs make a lot of money off of the different schools and no one school will crowd out another
Also, I'm in NY and I've also rotated in CT. The vast majority of my interviews have been in NY. I dont see DO's crowding into the interview scheme at all. Honestly only 2 interviews I have had any any DO's interviewing also. The whole residency application process will become competitive bc the number of applicants has increased.
stephew
12-22-2006, 12:22 PM
i will have to respectfully disagree with the notion that IMG vs DO spots are "drying up" a good caribh school will make sure ALL their rotations are ACGME approved. yopu should stay away from ones that dont. and finally ive heard it both ways- one or two DOs who wish they went to a decent offshore school and --well to tell the truth ive never heard anyone wish they went intstead to a DO school but im sure they exist.
chuksobia
12-22-2006, 01:52 PM
Most of us HAVe nochoice but carribean MD. Most of us are not qualify for DO school so lets not compensate ourselves by saying the we are superior to DO. The fact that you can not get ur medical education in your homeland means you have a low GPA and MCAT or did not have enough guts to even take the mcats.
You are saying that MD from IUHS is superior to DO, you are so wrong. DO are as good doctors like MD and most people don't know the difference . You must be sick to even think that a carribean MD is superior to a U.S DO. Must of us dont want to practice anywhere else in the world to start with and must countries will reciprocate a licence from any of the 50 states.Its more difficult to get into a DO school than a carribean school so what does that tells you?
swimguy23
12-22-2006, 02:00 PM
Most of us HAVe nochoice but carribean MD. Most of us are not qualify for DO school so lets not compensate ourselves by saying the we are superior to DO. The fact that you can not get ur medical education in your homeland means you have a low GPA and MCAT or did not have enough guts to even take the mcats.
You are saying that MD from IUHS is superior to DO, you are so wrong. DO are as good doctors like MD and most people don't know the difference . You must be sick to even think that a carribean MD is superior to a U.S DO. Must of us dont want to practice anywhere else in the world to start with and must countries will reciprocate a licence from any of the 50 states.Its more difficult to get into a DO school than a carribean school so what does that tells you?
I highly disagree with that.....for many of us it was a choice between carib or DO, not a limiting factor
bkpa2med
12-22-2006, 02:05 PM
I highly disagree with that.....for many of us it was a choice between carib or DO, not a limiting factor
True, but many DO Students had a choice between US MD and US DO.:D
swimguy23
12-22-2006, 02:16 PM
True, but many DO Students had a choice between US MD and US DO.:D
some did.....but its foolish to believe the vast majority of DO students went DO by choice and turned down US med schools.....im sure there are "some" but nowhere near as many as people would like you to believe. It's about as believable as the people in the carib saying "i went carib bc i wanted nice weather." come on
LqdPls
01-02-2007, 05:58 AM
....The fact that you can not get ur medical education in your homeland means you have a low GPA and MCAT or did not have enough guts to even take the mcats......
This is a very basic generalization, which simply does not apply. There are plenty of students with competitive GPAs and MCAT scores rejected from US medical schools. Furthermore, the average stats at some of the Caribbean schools are no different than what you would find at some of the DO programs. Even USMLE pass rates are comparable (e.g. USMLE.org).
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