part II

[ayuze86]

Anybody who has never started something new, should signify. When you finished high school or first degree and you sat down, started thinking and you said "ok I know what I want to do, I'm going to start something new in my life and that is to go to the caribbean island to study medicine". That's something new and you were not even sure how it would end but you had faith and you went ahead talking to your parents/banks/govt to give you loans/finance your education. Going to the banks/govt to get loans is also a new thing to some people, they have never tried it in before. But you know that people have done it and they have succeeded.

It's the same thing when they say ok we have never done this before but we CAN do it. Let's start a new medical school and give it a name (e.g. ROSS, AUC, St. Love, St. Dog, St. Tiger, St. Internet), I'm sure the founders of AUC or ROSS said it many many years ago, they struggled, they fell, they stood up, they moved ahead, they didn't even listen to distractions from people. No WHO/IMED recognition/listing, they would just say "that's fine because we're still new, it's all okay", no NY, IL, FL, Cali approval, they would say "no problems, we're still new and we will still move ahead".

Up till this present moment "M", peroid "P", occasion "O" and time "T", some of your friends in the medical schools in the US will still say, don't go to any of the schools in caribbean island, even if you garduate from George or SABA, you are still an IMG. When we start something new and we keep struggling and moving forward, there is nothing bad in that, but when other people are doing it, we complain and we begin to go crazy....

I also noticed something, when a new posting says "Questions about.....bla bla bla", some people don't even read it, they will just click on the "REPLY" button and type "The school is a scam" or "Go to a school with good reputation" or "The owner did something in the past".

I have made several mistakes in the past, I admit. But I try not to repeat my mistakes. Is there anybody who can say "I have never made mistakes in my life?". Ok, you have agreed that you made mistakes but now you will try to prevent those mistakes from happening again, right? Good, you will become great.

The owners of some of these young schools have also made mistakes and maybe they want to avoid mistakes this time around... let's just wait and see and let's post things that will encourage them and things that can help them to improve their schools, not things that can pull them or the schools down. So that they can also become great. Please.

Thank you.

Ayuze86.

[Sree Cheruku]

But, why would you go to a non-NY approved school when NY approved schools are taking just about anyone who can afford the application fee and has the ability to sign their name on the application? NY approval isn't any sort of big distinction. It simply means that an independent authority has visited the school and determined that it meets some minimal standards. California accreditation is a pretty good measure of the long term stability of the school. But Cali-accredited schools are more selective about admissions.

[what up doc]

But, why would you go to a non-NY approved school when NY approved schools are taking just about anyone who can afford the application fee and has the ability to sign their name on the application? NY approval isn't any sort of big distinction. It simply means that an independent authority has visited the school and determined that it meets some minimal standards

Well if thats the case then it really doesnt matter. I mean sooner rather then later All Saints will get NY approval but its like u said its means nothing. So why waste double the tution for nothing.

[ayuze86]

Moderator,
Honestly I like what you posted. This is one of the things we should be posting so that the school administration can see and act. All Saints will get NY approval soon (if they don't already have it, I don't attend All Saints).

Wat Up Doc, you said "So why waste double the tution for nothing". And I will say don't just worry about it, let there be competition. If I develop a computer software, the price is not fixed (I'm talking about bespoke application now, not something like computer games or Windows XP), I can sell it to Mr. A for $10 and Mr. B for $20... A lot of things are put into consideration before the manufacturer fix the price or buyer buys something.

Wat Up Doc, did you hear what the moderator said about NY approval?. Why don't you talk to your school about it and let them get NY approval soon? That is how to move forward. I'm only interested in moving forward not bashing.

We will all reap what we sow. We can't run away, it's a law.

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Ayuze86.

[Sree Cheruku]

Well if thats the case then it really doesnt matter. I mean sooner rather then later All Saints will get NY approval but its like u said its means nothing. So why waste double the tution for nothing.
The problem is, that until it does, prospective students have no way of knowing what kind of school All Saints is, in terms of academics, facilities, etc. How does a prospective student know that the faculty is competent?, that the labs are modern and well-equipped?, that the clinical program is sound?

I assume that you are an All Saints student. You are taking a chance, just like I did when I applied to a non-NY approved AUA years ago, that the school will be stable and successful.

Since then, we've been NBME and NY accredited. Our clinical affiliations are growing each month. Research is the school's biggest focus. Our Center for Tropical diseases gives students the ability to get involved in research and gives us a way of giving back to the community hosting our school. The school is constructing what will be among the largest campuses in the Caribbean, a vet and nursing school which is part of their California accreditation bid.

AUA has a really high tuition (9k for basic sciences) because they are gearing up for California accreditation which is incredibly expensive, but I'm sure that other NY approved schools like MUA have lower tuition.

Tuition is also determined by the free market. AUA, as of now, admits around 1000 students annually. Before we had NY accreditation (when I attended), I paid only 6k per semester. That's because we only had a few hundred students being admitted.


Wat Up Doc, did you hear what the moderator said about NY approval?. Why don't you talk to your school about it and let them get NY approval soon? That is how to move forward. I'm only interested in moving forward not bashing.


That's what you should do. It's what we (on the AUA forum) do - continually push the school to make changes that benefit students. Everytime there is a major complaint on the forum, I personally call the school and make sure it's being dealt with.

[what up doc]

The problem is, that until it does, prospective students have no way of knowing what kind of school All Saints is, in terms of academics, facilities, etc. I assume that you are an All Saints student.

Well if you happen to visit the All Saints web site it gives u a clear idea of what the facilities are like. As for academics, its always hard to judge but the fact that it all matters on what one does in school that counts right? I mean, if you are willing to study - you will do well and if you arent then :confused:. As for NY approval, i could careless cuz i have a plan already worked out to be able to work where i want!! All i have to do is pass the steps. Err. btw who do i contact if i want to get the ASUM - aruba and the ASUSM - dominica forums seperate on ValueMD.

[ayuze86]

lol, why do you want separate forums for ASUM - aruba and the ASUM - dominica ?? maybe that's even a good thing to do, who knows?

u see, some people don't even want to go to USA at all, they want to finish and go back to China, which is good. Do you think those people won't laugh when you mention USMLE ?


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Ayuze86

[what up doc]

That's what you should do. It's what we (on the AUA forum) do - continually push the school to make changes that benefit students. Everytime there is a major complaint on the forum, I personally call the school and make sure it's being dealt with.

Well we do try to and sometimes we do get answers. In the case of gettin approved by NY, we have not had a clear answer, b/c there is a new dean that is comming in Jan and the admin claims that he will get all the accred done. So, for now we are just waiting for the ex - saba dean to come and see what he is gonna do!! As for wanting 2 seperate forums - idk i c that MUA has 2 so why not us (lol)

[ayuze86]

Look at the constructive criticisms that AUA moderator (Sree Cheruku) has been posting on this forum... This is the type of person that can lead in future. See, he doesn't bash schools (even schools that were established yesterday......)

Read what he said "It's what we (on the AUA forum) do - continually push the school to make changes that benefit students. Everytime there is a major complaint on the forum, I personally call the school and make sure it's being dealt with". That is constructive criticism and it's healthy.

Did he say we continually say negative things about schools? Nope. He said they were continually pushing the school to make changes that would benefit students. Who is going to say that's a negative thing? Who? Nobody.

Let us follow his examples and stop distracting students that attend new schools. All Saints is still growing and they know. I don't see anything bad in that. Emulating good examples of old schools.

A lot of schools do not have California approval, but I know they will get there. They are working hard to get there. How is it different from a new school working hard to be one of the best schools on the island? These things do not happen in a twinkle of an eye, it takes time, dedication and persistence.

Also, about having 2 separate forums for ASUM- Aruba and ASUM- Dominica, let's wait and see what AUA moderator (Sree Cheruku) will say about it, maybe he will be able to point in the right direction.

Once in a while, I will re-post my part I and part II postings on "Questions about All Saints Univ." for people to re-visit.

Thank you.

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Ayuze86

[ayuze86]

Look at the constructive criticisms that AUA moderator (Sree Cheruku) has been posting on this forum... This is the type of person that can lead in future. See, he doesn't bash schools (even schools that were established yesterday......)

Read what he said "It's what we (on the AUA forum) do - continually push the school to make changes that benefit students. Everytime there is a major complaint on the forum, I personally call the school and make sure it's being dealt with". That is constructive criticism and it's healthy.

Did he say we continually say negative things about schools? Nope. He said they were continually pushing the school to make changes that would benefit students. Who is going to say that's a negative thing? Who? Nobody.

Let us follow his examples and stop distracting students that attend new schools. All Saints is still growing and they know. I don't see anything bad in that. Emulating good examples of old schools.

A lot of schools do not have California approval, but I know they will get there. They are working hard to get there. How is it different from a new school working hard to be one of the best schools on the island? These things do not happen in a twinkle of an eye, it takes time, dedication and persistence.

Also, about having 2 separate forums for ASUM- Aruba and ASUM- Dominica, let's wait and see what AUA moderator (Sree Cheruku) will say about it, maybe he will be able to point in the right direction.

Once in a while, I will re-post my part I and part II postings on "Questions about All Saints Univ." for people to re-visit.

Thank you.

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Ayuze86

[what up doc]

Well, either way it doesnt matter as long as ASUM and ASUSM get thier word out to the public. Btw cant wiat to go home!! only 14 more days!!!

[ayuze86]

Well, either way it doesnt matter as long as ASUM and ASUSM get thier word out to the public. Btw cant wiat to go home!! only 14 more days!!!


What is the difference between ASUM and ASUSM ??

[Dr_Implacable]

What is the difference between ASUM and ASUSM ??

ASUM is the name given for the Aruba campus. ASUSM for Dominica campus.

[ayuze86]

ASUM is the name given for the Aruba campus. ASUSM for Dominica campus.


All Saints University of Medicine (ASUM)

Then what is the full meaning of ASUSM ?

[what up doc]

ASUSM = All Saints University School of Medicine.................