Metropolitan State Hospital, Norwalk, California

[Dru]

This thread will be for Metropolitan State Hospital, Norwalk, CA

[CaribKari]

Did a 6 week rotation at Metropolitan State in August of 2005.


Metro, as it is known, is an interesting place to do the Psych core and any electives in psych you may want to do. Their program starts every 7-8 weeks and is a combination of AUC, SG and Ross students. The student program is run by Dr. Herbold who is a great lecturer, loves to have students and is more than willing to sit down with you and explain the finer aspects of the human psyche. Olivia Jones, the Student Coordinator, is a darling and will go way out of her way (as long as you're not an ***) to help you with whatever you need.


The hospital has a forensic unit (male & female), an adolescent unit (male and female), adult chronic care unit (elderly) and a number of step down units. The staff, including all of the doctors that I encountered, enjoyed having students, spent a significant amount of time with each of us and were, almost always, around to offer pointers and help when interviewing patients. There are lectures and presentations almost every day, CME programs to take part in and lots of opportunities, for those that have the desire, to explore all sides of chronic psychiatric care at a large hospital. There is also one of those pesky Ross exams to take at the end. Students are given a lot of leeway and a lot of freedom but you are expected to be a part of the treatment team, take part in the counseling sessions, make all the lectures and clinical presentations. Note on the Ross exam: It is so outdated that I doubt it is a good reflection of the knowledge you have gained during the rotation. This is one of those exams where you walk away wondering what the exam author was thinking when they wrote the exam.


With all that said, I don't think a psych rotation at MSH is anything like our American counterparts are doing. The staff on the units are seriously overworked and the hospital, as far as I am concerned (I was assigned to an adolescent unit), has had a hard time separating those that truly need psychiatric care and those that are "working" the system, i.e. psych hospital instead of going to jail. Because many of the units have behavioral problem patients/inmates, the time (and caring) that should be given to those in real need is, instead, spent defending the more developmentally delayed from the roving gangs that are constantly causing riots and beating senseless those that can't defend themselves. The staff is caring, for the most part, and tired of having to defend the needy patients from physical and emotional abuse.


You can get information on living accommodations from Olivia Jones, the Student Coordinator. There are a number of hotels in the area that cater to the business traveler and have “deals” for short stays. I chose to live in Brea, which is 20 miles east of the hospital and an easy commute (about 45 minutes in the morning, 20 minutes in the afternoon). There is an apartment complex in Brea, Country Hills Apts, that you can find online who were willing to rent to me (at a large premium) for 6 weeks. Norwalk is close (not near) the beach and the mountains and you can spend your weekends swimming or hiking and Ontario airport is a good place to fly in/out of. It’s a lot cheaper than LA and has less traffic.

[butters]

dru,

this facility is in norwalk, CA, not norwalk, CT.

also, can u perhaps list the state each facility is located in...sometimes it's hard to figure out where the hospital is (i actually thought the long beach, ny site was in long beach, ca).

Thanks!

[blue202md]

Norwalk is a great place to do psych if you want to stay in california and enjoy the beaches. Trust me you will, since no one stayed there past 12 noon. The mornings are scheduled with "malls" which are group therapy for the patients. If you pick and choose the interesting ones, you will gain from the experience. But if you go to the arts/crafts, there is no educational point. The afternoons are scheduled for team meetings with the patient re: their progress, medication etc etc. This is a great rotation to do before step 2, since you will have ample time to study. The folks there are all state employees, so imagine DMV! Dr Sharma is a forensic expert and a wealth of knowledge, but nothing will apply to step 2 material.

[swan02]

hi...just wondering....is this an acgme approved rotation because i was having a hard time finding it on the website....also, i'm definitely interested in getting licensure in California, and does this rotation cause any problems (ie, for example the DO rotations can create problems later)....

also, i'm starting out with this rotation (my very first one) mostly so i can stay in califonria and try to work out other rotations here....any comments or suggestions?

thanks a bunch guys!

[TopGunner]

How's the neighborhood? I might be starting here in a month for Psych. Is anyone else going?

[MedChe]

anyone do any electives here? any advice on how good the program is?

[butters]

Just so everyone knows...Charles R. Drew University which is the sponsoring institution for Metro has Voluntarily withdrawn its Residency programs. That means the greenbook status of Metro may be affected. I haven't yet seen it listed anywhere else as a participating institution.

The withdrawal goes into effect 6/30/07 so anyone rotating there after this date, be sure to check with your state med board.

[MedChe]

does anyone know where are good places to stay while doing electives/cores at norwalk? where do other students usually stay? any advice would help!
thanks!:cool:

[MedChe]

just did a 4 week elective here. Was awesome... Defintly good for people into pyschiatry...especially forensics and child. Plus your in california!!!
The people that run the show..docs, program director were also amazing.
Days are short as someone mentioned earlier in the post described.:)

[tainted]

Does anyone have any updated info regarding this site?

I found it had the following Affiliated programs

Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (P) :
Los Angeles County-Harbor-UCLA Medical Center Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,4050521020,00.html)
Forensic Psychiatry (P) :
VA Greater Los Angeles/UCLA-San Fernando Valley Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,4060511003,00.html)

Does this mean that it is still approved in California as a greenbook rotation? I am not really sure where else to look for the status:confused:

Thanks

[butters]

Does anyone have any updated info regarding this site?

I found it had the following Affiliated programs

Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (P) :
Los Angeles County-Harbor-UCLA Medical Center Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,4050521020,00.html)
Forensic Psychiatry (P) :
VA Greater Los Angeles/UCLA-San Fernando Valley Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,4060511003,00.html)

Does this mean that it is still approved in California as a greenbook rotation? I am not really sure where else to look for the status:confused:

Thanks


yes, it is affiliated with both of those programs as well as UC Irvine Psych Residency which makes it a greenbook rotation. Look at all of these under ACGME and you will find them.

[ross20ten]

We live about 21min away from the hospital and have a spare bedroom to rent. In a VERY safe area. Please let me know if you're interested.

[esuwan21]

I have a question for you and everyone else that's now into or beyond their 3rd year. Is it really possible to get all green rotations back to back if you are willing to jump around the country? I'm married and would prefer to do all green rotations in one area, or between 2 areas, but that does not seem possible if I want to end on time and make the match.

So I've been told if I want to get all green and finish on time I'll need to move around alot. But I've heard rumors that even if you are willing to move for all greens, you may still have up to a month in between certain rotations.

What's the truth?

[butters]

Depending on how your rotations are set up, yes, you may possibly have time in-between. All hospitals have different start dates so there is a possibility you will have time in-between (say a week or two), even if your rotations are set up "back to back"

Anyhow, let's keep this thread strictly for posts related to Metropolitan State Hospital.

[sanjaymd]

What is the best way to prepare? What are the hours like? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

[FOID]

it's a very laid back rotation.

[FOID]

no calls, no weekends...

[lovingsis]

my brother is probably going to be sent to metro. he is being sent as a result of a criminal case. we believe he has allowed the church he was a part of (cult) to lead him to this point. he no longer has hope....he awaits his death and hell. i was just wondering if metro has people that deal with this type of mind-control? we know that cults exist and take over the minds of bright, educated people. my brother has a master's degree and is very smart...i would never have thought he would fall prey to this type of group. like i said, just wondering if metro works with these types of cases or if we should look into private counseling/deprogramming. any info would be appreciated. we are at a loss as to where to go next. we want him to get the specific help he needs asap. thank you.