How to apply to russian medical school?

[rusmed]

Hello...everyone. GReat forum.
Was wondering if anyone knows how to apply to russian medical universities (I am considering St.Petersburg Pavlov Medical University, MMA Sechenov, RSMU and St.Petersburg State University Medical Faculty)
I am Canadian citizen...If anyone applied to those universities did you go to Russia to apply, or you just send documents by mail.?
I just dont know how to start admission process

Please help...I will really appreciate it.

[xxatti]

You can email the schools and they will give you all the information you need for admissions. Normally, schools abroad will allow you to fax or email the necessary documents they need to see.

[rusmed]

Thanks for advice.

[pavel]

Hello, my advice to you to study in Moscow not Petersburg. Moscow is much more pleasant to live. The schools to study are Sechenovs Academy, and Peoples friendship university, and couple more others. You can find them easily online. But the best thing is to call them, better then write e-mails. They are really reluctant ansvering e-mails. My friend, he's from US graduated this year from the latter. Doing USMLE now. The average price per year is $2,5-4 K/year.
Another option, I think the best for someone who wants study, more than worry about expenses in a big city. To study in a Medical Academy for example in Smolensk. I graduated from there. Small city, much easyer and cheeper to live then in Moscow and St.P. for a $1000 you can easily live a whole year, considering that average salary there is $100 a month. Besides when studying in a small city it's much easyer to study and prepare for MLE, and by the time you graduate have all the steps done.
Anyways it;s up to you.
Feel free to aks any q's.

[rusmed]

Thanks Pavel for advice. Been in Moscow and St.Petersburg a while ago now, agree that Moscow is somehow pleasant than St.Petersburg, but more expensive, all schools mentioned in my previous post are top ones, so it all depends on living conditions and expenses.
Never thought of small city studying (something to think about:rolleyes: ) By stories, I get impression that the study is extremly tough, lots of subjects and practical work, some saying that even better "hands-on" experience than US school (like in US they study only 12 areas in surgery, while in russian school there are much more than 12 areas).
oh, well...still time to think :rolleyes:

[pavel]

Right now living expenses in Moscow and StP are almost the same, but the conditions are way better in Moscow. But if you think about nonstressful live and alot of time to study - small city is the best. Also about so called top schools. If you go to the top school here it won't give you any advantage, and will even harm you. People in tops take bribes alot. Yeah, about hands on experiense you're right. If you really want to do anything practically it's possible. There is no concept of malpractice here.

[engzyr]

Maybe you should consider Nizhniy Novgorod State Medical Academy. The town is 3rd biggest city in Russia. I think it is more peaceful than Moscow and St. Petersburg. The course is conducted in 6 years English. Clinical years, you have classes in English, but better to know Russian so easier to communicate. The cost, I suppose cheaper than Moscow Medical Academy.

[pavel]

TSMA - Tver State Medical Academy (http://www.tsma.ru/)

check this out.
Could be the answer on your q's

[pisklaki]

99.9% of students studying at Tver are Indian, check out the website. So you could be kind of lonley there.

[dr trouble]

II and III universities - which are the state medical academy and the medical university of pediatrics respectively are full of people of indian origin..... mmmm so mmm u will probably stick out like a sore thumb.

pavlov - nightmare to get in. nightmare to stay in.
avoid KURSK - bad reputation.. smaller town and less facilities...
rest i cant comment on

Hello...everyone. GReat forum.
Was wondering if anyone knows how to apply to russian medical universities (I am considering St.Petersburg Pavlov Medical University, MMA Sechenov, RSMU and St.Petersburg State University Medical Faculty)
I am Canadian citizen...If anyone applied to those universities did you go to Russia to apply, or you just send documents by mail.?
I just dont know how to start admission process

Please help...I will really appreciate it.

[dr trouble]

oh yes
by the way
applying to russians universities itself is a mission
everything so slow. plan ahead
give enough time for application to be processed

i think you need your :
transcripts.
letter of recommendations
health certificates
passport copies

PLEASE DONT SEND ORIGIONALS - they will inevitably get lost and well.. u wudnt want that
mmm i suppose you could apply by sending a letter of applicatio addressed to the dean of the English division or rector

i suggest also ringing and trying to speak to them before u continue
good luck

[Chemist_11]

a great problem with Russia is still the problems of racism? Do the Russian 'skinheads' have problems with coloured people and white europeans or..?


Also is the problem of racism more common in the big cities?

[dr trouble]

i think if ur caucasian u will probably get away with alot more then dark skinned counterparts.

mmm they are racist.
and its sick and scary the way they work

unfortunately. No 1 can really do anything as well no1 really cares.

so if u are dark skinned a friendly word of advise - avoid russia(altogether)
and no its same big cities or small.... same junk everywhere

st petersburg and moscow are beautiful touring cities. But u wudnt want to be there living for 4 or more years. It isnt safe.
i had to leave st petersburg as 4 medical students were murdered in 1 month...... a month i will never forget. the Authorities did nothing,.

regards

[rusmed]

why Pavlov is the nightmare?

[Mikhail]

Was wondering if anyone knows how to apply to russian medical universities (I am considering St.Petersburg Pavlov Medical University, MMA Sechenov, RSMU and St.Petersburg State University Medical Faculty)
I am Canadian citizen...If anyone applied to those universities did you go to Russia to apply, or you just send documents by mail.?
I just dont know how to start admission process.

Hello,
There is no one common way to apply for a medical school in Russia. Originally, all the schools had offices for promotion of education there and correspondence with applicants. Then, some schools granted the duty to agents and you will go via agency anyway, even you contact the school directly (MMA, RSMU, probably Kursk). In many cases, medical schools combine direct recruitment with assistance of agencies (both international and local).
As a rule, there is no ideal decision on how to apply. If you contact the school directly, you for sure avoid those agents who cheat and/or overcharge the fees. Alternatively, you may face slow activity of the office (quality of international students’ office’ management does not necessarily correspond to quality of education in the school [and vv]) and wouldn’t get serious comparison of the schools if you are considering not one.
If you contact an agent, you may get good (sufficient) assistance with comparative information on both positive and negative sides of studying there and personal assistance in orientation and registration with the university upon arrival. However, this way your are at risk to contact somebody who will cheat you and/or get extra money for the services.
Finally, next academic year starts in September 2007. You still have time for a decision making.
Good luck.

PS: and you really don’t need to send the original documents (whatever of the ways is selected) until you come to the country.

[jeniw13]

i'm also looking at applying in russia, specifically pavlov- why such a bad reputation?
I'm open to any advice available so past experience of english (speaking) students qualifying would be invaluble!
thanks

[bpoichan]

Jeniw..

pavlov has that reputation to be corrupt..
coming from the UK.. you ll be the prey to all those money-hungry teachers.. they wont allow to pass a class no matter how hard you study..
you ll have to pay your way out every time..
MMA, RSMU are the same..
dont take that risk

[applemas]

About MMA & RSMU......
Maybe there're lazy students who pay to pass exam, I’m not really sure about this.
I have friends study there. I never heard from them you can't pass exam without payment if you study hard.

[bpoichan]

i was speaking about pavlov..

MMA and RSMU are just a breeze.. no need to study to pass an exam.. you know why?
let me tell you
the profs teaching english medium are paid twice the salary of those teaching in russian only..
there is fierce competition among the profs to get a position in the english medium..
once they are teaching in the english medium ...they do teach very " softly".. and cover subjects superficially..so that students do not complain and the prof do not lose the english medium teaching classes..

here is an example; i am still in touch with a great prof who is a great friend now.. asked if he still taught english medium..and told me that he did not anymore.. i was phlabergasted.
HE is such a great prof..he is a simple genius.. Krivosheef.. was fair.. but very very thorough in his classes.. some students complained and he was out..
he had the BEST english i could remember til this day in Moscow. .and was simply a genius.. Lots of clinics do call him for consultation.. but he made the mistake of wanting to teach his class in details and was demanding..

another example.. Dr Glazachev.. is a GREAT Physiology prof.. he taught us soo thoroughly.. 2 passed the class out of 17.. he was warned..
i did research in his lab.. he told me that he ll teach only the basics to the english medium.. and not bother..

that is how it s happening there...

as for money.. MMA is reputed for it.. no matter what your friends say..

[applemas]

In 2001, Malaysian government did consider recognization of Pavlov (St. Petersburg) medical degree. Due to corruption and bad reputation, in the end, it's out of the list.

Hmm......About PFU, I’m not really sure, now government still considers it. But...... Graduates (from medical schools in Russia)' performance generally not that good, Ministry of Health and also Malaysian Medical Council didn't recognize other Russian medical courses after 2001.