Are there actual lectures at IUHS? or all Internet?

[DocKao]

Can some one tell me if there are actual courses being taught at the school or is it all done on the internet? Are there any Docs out there from this school?

[:-P]

there are actual live lectures that are broadcast online. We meet three times per day with actual teachers from big universities.

[edited for names]

to name a few.

[Genossa maximillian]

... Who conducts the broadcast lecutre on site? For what you said you meet 3 times per day to watch an online boardcast...nothing different from a podcast. Let me shoot the question straight and avoid any technicalities, ARE THERE any ACTUAL lectures, conducted ON SITE by professors ON SITE not via podcast or online boradcast?




there are actual live lectures that are broadcast online. We meet three times per day with actual teachers from big universities.

[edited for names]

to name a few.

[:-P]

yes...there are three professors that broadcast from the St. Kitts campus.

P.S. no need to be rude and obnoxious

[Genossa maximillian]

Thanks for your answer...

I really dont care if I came across rude and obnoxious because I know I am :)

Have a good one with your ....broadcast lectures.




yes...there are three professors that broadcast from the St. Kitts campus.

P.S. no need to be rude and obnoxious

[drjohnwebb]

A lot of states have made it a point to deny any student a license who completed ANY portion of their medical education through distance learning (online, casting, etc). Some state have went as far as denying ALL graduates of medical schools that even allow such classes.

I am into distance learning... I am just saying the boards aren't. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble.. but I am afraid it isn't looking good for distance learning with medicine anytime soon.

[Genossa maximillian]

It is the sad reality for this kind of method. Eventually things might change, how soon or how far away in the future, we don't know but based on the current trend it looks that it will be more later than sooner.

Peace to all comrades




A lot of states have made it a point to deny any student a license who completed ANY portion of their medical education through distance learning (online, casting, etc). Some state have went as far as denying ALL graduates of medical schools that even allow such classes.

I am into distance learning... I am just saying the boards aren't. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble.. but I am afraid it isn't looking good for distance learning with medicine anytime soon.

[stephew]

flaming however is against terms of use, as is publishing the proper names of individuals. for all those who need to, please re-read the terms of use you agreed to. thank you.Thanks for your answer...

I really dont care if I came across rude and obnoxious because I know I am :)

Have a good one with your ....broadcast lectures.

[lmoliver]

A lot of states have made it a point to deny any student a license who completed ANY portion of their medical education through distance learning (online, casting, etc). Some state have went as far as denying ALL graduates of medical schools that even allow such classes.

I am into distance learning... I am just saying the boards aren't. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble.. but I am afraid it isn't looking good for distance learning with medicine anytime soon.

No one has posted any state that would accept students for license. I would sure consider it if I knew for sure there are states that would commit to accepting grads from this med school for license. Some have hinted around that "not all 50 states" won't license, but they wont tell which ones will. If there are states what is the big deal, post them!!! I'm not going to finish med school, do clincals, etc and not be able to practice.

Where's that dancing bananna?

Lm

[Doc2B2007]

Currently California is the only state who has stated a stance against IUHS and the majority of states are open to licensure for IUHS graduates! Note California's stance was against online education yet they are the only ones who allow Lawyers to use this mode of education! If you really want to know about IUHS then you should go directly to them and ask to attend one of their conferences to meet students currently enrolled. In reply to question of lectures. The lectures are all live streaming video from campus or instructors from other US Medical educational systems. The student can see both the instuctor live with the power points used for the lecture and they also have access through a chat window to ask the instructor questions during lectures and the Instructor answers them verbally through the live streaming video feed. These are not pod casts. I get more questions answered here than I ever got in crowded premed lectures!

[Genossa maximillian]

..."Currently California is the only state who has stated a stance against IUHS and the majority of states are open to licensure for IUHS graduates! "

Wrong dude! Not only California, but ....

INDIANA specifically names IUHS as banned for licensure. Check their website.

Oh, and studying law by correspondence is not the same a studying medicine, I beg to differ. Done both, there is a huge difference. You may get by for a law degree ( still the Socratic model of teaching law is unique, it makes you think), but medicine, you still need the 3-d feeling of dissecting cadavers and doing labs. Yes there are subjects like biochem, pharma
, etc that can be done via distance, but PLEASE don't compare two totally different educational framworks.

As I said, check Indiana.

Chhers to all

Max


Currently California is the only state who has stated a stance against IUHS and the majority of states are open to licensure for IUHS graduates! Note California's stance was against online education yet they are the only ones who allow Lawyers to use this mode of education! If you really want to know about IUHS then you should go directly to them and ask to attend one of their conferences to meet students currently enrolled. In reply to question of lectures. The lectures are all live streaming video from campus or instructors from other US Medical educational systems. The student can see both the instuctor live with the power points used for the lecture and they also have access through a chat window to ask the instructor questions during lectures and the Instructor answers them verbally through the live streaming video feed. These are not pod casts. I get more questions answered here than I ever got in crowded premed lectures!

[DOCplucinski]

..."Currently California is the only state who has stated a stance against IUHS and the majority of states are open to licensure for IUHS graduates! "

Wrong dude! Not only California, but ....

INDIANA specifically names IUHS as banned for licensure. Check their website.

Oh, and studying law by correspondence is not the same a studying medicine, I beg to differ. Done both, there is a huge difference. You may get by for a law degree ( still the Socratic model of teaching law is unique, it makes you think), but medicine, you still need the 3-d feeling of dissecting cadavers and doing labs. Yes there are subjects like biochem, pharma
, etc that can be done via distance, but PLEASE don't compare two totally different educational framworks.

As I said, check Indiana.

Chhers to all

Max

i believe there are more states than this and deff ALL states if you obtained your education online

[Genossa maximillian]

i believe there are more states than this and deff ALL states if you obtained your education online

That I can remember, Indiana specifically named them, there are a few more, the rest of the states that have an issue with online basic sciences, use the more generic term, "any substantial portion of your studies done via correspondence or online" etc. I would not venture into saying all states, that is too broad. There were a few mid-western states that had no problem last time I checked as long as you did your cores on green book hospitals. But that was about 9 or 10 months ago. Who knows. Medical boards change their rules almost every year.

It's like I said in another thread, they may say yes today, maybe tomorrow and no the day after tomorrow. They rarely go the opposite way.

[Doc2B2007]

The perception is that 100% of the education is done online and it is not! There are several US medical schools who no longer use cadavers for anatomy studies! With out the knowledge of the full program it is hard to know where a license can be obtained but there very few states where a primary license can not be obtained and even fewer where currently no license can be obtained. Indiana is not a place I would want to practice and they only followed california who has not actually sent a team to the school as of yet! Again this is a new school in terms of years and it is changing continually to improve its process as do all schools! No medical school is still the same as when it was first organized!

[Genossa maximillian]

The perception is that 100% of the education is done online and it is not! There are several US medical schools who no longer use cadavers for anatomy studies! With out the knowledge of the full program it is hard to know where a license can be obtained but there very few states where a primary license can not be obtained and even fewer where currently no license can be obtained. Indiana is not a place I would want to practice and they only followed calafornia who has not actually sent a team to the school as of yet! Again this is a new school in terms of years and it is changing continually to improve its process as do all schools! No medical school is still the same as when it was first organized!

I agree, the perception is incorrect. You can check my previous IUHS postings, as a matter of fact, out of my 965 posts, maybe 600 are about IUHS.

I dispute your opinion that there are few states that won't grant a license. A former user, NeilC and myself called every state last year, and not for our surprise , most of them said NO. Check that thread in the State licensing forum, dates back to January 2006 I believe. Some did not care, other did not bothered to respond.

California won't send a team until your school applies for California aproval and pays a $65,000 fee. And based on the list of things they use to evaluate a school, I do not see it happening, it will be a waste of money from your school.

Keep studying, I am not putting down your school, just presenting some much needed information and a contrast. Not everyone is ready for this method, and not everyone is willing to take the risk. It's a gamble that may or may not pay off.

Will you gamble with your future? That is the message.

[Doc2B2007]

Your Phone calls do not include all neccessary information and we have done our own study in the last year so that we would know for ourselves what we would encounter. With the algorythm we have made we know which states are friendly and which are not! since you have not attended our school and do not know the correct answer to all their questions that have to be answered and we do we trually have a more definitive position. we have gone to the states as needed for these issues instead of just asking hypotheticals and we are finding very little real resistance when facts are presented to the boards. At least one state who stated they would not, recanted when facts were presented and issued the license. As time goes by it will be seen that few states will denie a license and in a few short years none will. Several who have stated they would not are currently being petitioned by graduates from their state and the process is proceeding well. Only time again will tell the real story not us chatting about hypothetical situations. Since the school has not been here long enough for all states to be challenged on this position we still do not have all the answers and will not until as they say the rubber meets the road!

[DRJJ1]

Your Phone calls do not include all neccessary information and we have done our own study in the last year so that we would know for ourselves what we would encounter. With the algorythm we have made we know which states are friendly and which are not! since you have not attended our school and do not know the correct answer to all their questions that have to be answered and we do we trually have a more definitive position. we have gone to the states as needed for these issues instead of just asking hypotheticals and we are finding very little real resistance when facts are presented to the boards. At least one state who stated they would not, recanted when facts were presented and issued the license. As time goes by it will be seen that few states will denie a license and in a few short years none will. Several who have stated they would not are currently being petitioned by graduates from their state and the process is proceeding well. Only time again will tell the real story not us chatting about hypothetical situations. Since the school has not been here long enough for all states to be challenged on this position we still do not have all the answers and will not until as they say the rubber meets the road!

believe me I would be the first in line to do this online but there is too much time money and money and time at stake here to gamble at this point,,all important meaningful states with any kind of culture, living conditions do not accept this online school...I would not go here but thats me no online credit approved cores and residencies , no transfer credits as per state boards,,what more do you need? if you feel like bucking the system then be prepared for your bucking

[Doc2B2007]

Every student must complete the entire program there is no such thing as advanced credit! Unless you have completed the first two years of medical school and passed the step 1 you must complete the first two years here! There are no short cuts and no buying a degree you must earn it to get it! Again unless you are here and actually know the system there is no way for you to know though! Many of those who left expected to just buy a degree and when they found they actually had to earn it they left! Allowing the voice of those who failed keep you from earning what you what for yourself is allowing them to rob you of yourself!

[anatomy_guy]

Every student must complete the entire program there is no such thing as advanced credit! Unless you have completed the first two years of medical school and passed the step 1 you must complete the first two years here! There are no short cuts and no buying a degree you must earn it to get it! Again unless you are here and actually know the system there is no way for you to know though! Many of those who left expected to just buy a degree and when they found they actually had to earn it they left! Allowing the voice of those who failed keep you from earning what you what for yourself is allowing them to rob you of yourself!

I don't know what you are saying here but lets get something straight. A number of people have asked the questions you claim to have asked couched in some special manner. The State Medical Boards in many states have said NO to any portion of the basic sciences being completed by any method other than direct instructor contact (i.e. the student is in the same room as the instructor). Even though some US and Canadian medical schools use podcasts, videoconferencing or broadcasting of lectures as is sometimes done in the WWAMI program, a number of State Medical Boards will consider IUHS program to be a form of online or distance education and NOT acceptable. You can argue "until the cows come home" but it will not change many of the State Medical Boards' attitudes. So what do you do? I suggest you stop trying to justify the IUHS way and look to meet the requirements as laid down by most State Medical Boards otherwise you will be spending a lot of money, have a MD degree (that is truly a mile deep considering the debt you will have), but nowhere or very few places to hang your shingle!
I wish you the best of luck. Don't hurt your head "hitting it against a brick wall" though. A_G

[DRJJ1]

Every student must complete the entire program there is no such thing as advanced credit! Unless you have completed the first two years of medical school and passed the step 1 you must complete the first two years here! There are no short cuts and no buying a degree you must earn it to get it! Again unless you are here and actually know the system there is no way for you to know though! Many of those who left expected to just buy a degree and when they found they actually had to earn it they left! Allowing the voice of those who failed keep you from earning what you what for yourself is allowing them to rob you of yourself!

so how many are in your school now,,are you on campus I heard there might be th most 5 students there,,the school transfers credits from other specialities like podiatry dds and more,,,THIS ALONE IS NOT ALLOWED FROM ANY STATE,,I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS, IN MED SCHOOL AND CANNOT INTERPRET THIS PLAIN AS DAY RULES OF ALL USA MED BDS,,DO YOU WORK FOR THIS SCHOOL OR WHAT!! THIS IS SCARY,,PLUS, NO ONLINE CREDIT AND NOOO BODY HAS A LICENSE FROM HERE SO WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY SO LETS SEE

[Doc2B2007]

so how many are in your school now,,are you on campus I heard there might be th most 5 students there,,the school transfers credits from other specialities like podiatry dds and more,,,THIS ALONE IS NOT ALLOWED FROM ANY STATE,,I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS, IN MED SCHOOL AND CANNOT INTERPRET THIS PLAIN AS DAY RULES OF ALL USA MED BDS,,DO YOU WORK FOR THIS SCHOOL OR WHAT!! THIS IS SCARY,,PLUS, NO ONLINE CREDIT AND NOOO BODY HAS A LICENSE FROM HERE SO WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY SO LETS SEE

Yes there are people from other professions in this school but they must earn their credits same as anyone else! No advanced credit is given for previouse degrees! All students must pass all courses in program to graduate!

[Genossa maximillian]

How do you know what I asked?

How do you know I never had anything to do with IUHS?

If I were you, I will not bet my house on those two assumptions of yours. To avoid making this thread into an endless and mindless argument, send me a PM and I will be more than happy to clarify your off the tangent assumptions.







Your Phone calls do not include all neccessary information and we have done our own study in the last year so that we would know for ourselves what we would encounter. With the algorythm we have made we know which states are friendly and which are not! since you have not attended our school and do not know the correct answer to all their questions that have to be answered and we do we trually have a more definitive position. we have gone to the states as needed for these issues instead of just asking hypotheticals and we are finding very little real resistance when facts are presented to the boards. At least one state who stated they would not, recanted when facts were presented and issued the license. As time goes by it will be seen that few states will denie a license and in a few short years none will. Several who have stated they would not are currently being petitioned by graduates from their state and the process is proceeding well. Only time again will tell the real story not us chatting about hypothetical situations. Since the school has not been here long enough for all states to be challenged on this position we still do not have all the answers and will not until as they say the rubber meets the road!

[Genossa maximillian]

so how many are in your school now,,are you on campus I heard there might be th most 5 students there,,the school transfers credits from other specialities like podiatry dds and more,,,THIS ALONE IS NOT ALLOWED FROM ANY STATE,,I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS, IN MED SCHOOL AND CANNOT INTERPRET THIS PLAIN AS DAY RULES OF ALL USA MED BDS,,DO YOU WORK FOR THIS SCHOOL OR WHAT!! THIS IS SCARY,,PLUS, NO ONLINE CREDIT AND NOOO BODY HAS A LICENSE FROM HERE SO WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY SO LETS SEE

DRJJ1, no need to scream ar yell at people. When you use all caps in a long sentence like you did, it is considered yelling at the person you are trying to tell something. No need for that.

Thanks

[DRJJ1]

DRJJ1, no need to scream ar yell at people. When you use all caps in a long sentence like you did, it is considered yelling at the person you are trying to tell something. No need for that.

Thanks

YEA I SEE THAT and maybe I was but im not sure if you hear me now can ya hear me now how about now? now? dont hang up

[Genossa maximillian]

Much better, thanks! .... click!


YEA I SEE THAT and maybe I was but im not sure if you hear me now can ya hear me now how about now? now? dont hang up

[Doc2B2007]

Update! California no longer lists IUHS as a banned school!

[Genossa maximillian]

Update! California no longer lists IUHS as a banned school!

If your school is not in the approved list they won't license it's graduates either. The list of disapproved schools is for schools they have conducted visits and have failed.

From their website Medical Board of California - Medical Schools Recognized by the Medical Board of California (http://www.mbc.ca.gov/Applicant_Schools_Recognized.htm)

...."if a medical school is not listed on the recognized school list, the medical school is either unrecognized or disapproved. The education and training received at an unrecognized or disapproved medical school does not meet California licensure requirements."

..."if a medical school is not on this list of disapproved schools, it is either a recognized or an unrecognized medical school. Please check California's Recognized Medical School (http://www.mbc.ca.gov/Applicants_Schools_Recognized.htm) list to determine if your school is recognized by California. If a school is not on either the recognized or disapproved list, it may be a school that has not requested recognition by the Medical Board of California. Please be aware education obtained at a school is not acceptable for licensure in California."

St. Kitts is not even mentioned. Unfortunately, you are under a false impression.

[anatomy_guy]

Update! California no longer lists IUHS as a banned school!


This is NO update. California does NOT list IUHS as an approved school and this is what you must be concerned about. Also, you should read the required information necessary to submit an application to become an approved school on the California list.

On page 8 of the Medical School Self Assessment Report, the following questions must be answered:

7. What is the percent of actual attendance that is required?
8. Describe how attendance is monitored.

On page 10, there is table that must be filled in that asks for teh number of hours of lecture and the number of hours of lab. They also ask for small group discussion hours as well as patient contact hours.

There are also some questions in facilities about student usage of lab material and specimens. Yes, they do ask questions about the use of computer-assisted instruction but they also want to know library availability and usage as well as the availability of knowledge databases.

There is also the question about the viability of the institution. California is now following the format of the LCME/CACMS site visit pre-accreditation documentation. By the way, California requires a fee of approximately $65,000 and the coverage of the accreditation visit to see the facilities, both basic sciences and clinical.

I don't think IUHS would be anywhere near the ability to fulfill the pre-accreditation or site assessment report or pay the required fees, do you?

Read and look before you leap, please!
A_G

[DRJJ1]

THERE WILL BE ALWAYS PEOPLE WHO WANT THE EASY WAY AND THATS WHAT THESE SCHOOL PREY ON SO LET THESE STUDENTS LIVE AND LEARN AND WHAT AN EXPENSIVE LESSON IT WILL BE!!! GOOD LUCK...
There are also some questions in facilities about student usage of lab material and specimens. Yes, they do ask questions about the use of computer-assisted instruction but they also want to know library availability and usage as well as the availability of knowledge databases.

[Doc2B2007]

They May not be on the approved list but this will also change in time! There seems to be a few who just want to discredit the school for personal reasons what ever those may be. The school is growing and has continued to improve its system. There is no such thing as an easy way to medical education no matter how the information is delivered the student must still study diligently to master the knowledge necessary to be a good clinician.

[Genossa maximillian]

The school is growing and has continued to improve its system?

Ironically, there are less students on campus than it used to be when they started out. The facilities have not improved a bit. No research facilities or components on site, no labs, etc. Some much needed ingredients.

We are not discrediting the school. Just pesenting some issues. The school takex care of discrediting itself by not doing anything proactive in their campus to make it more credible.

Max




They May not be on the approved list but this will also change in time! There seems to be a few who just want to discredit the school for personal reasons what ever those may be. The school is growing and has continued to improve its system. There is no such thing as an easy way to medical education no matter how the information is delivered the student must still study diligently to master the knowledge necessary to be a good clinician.

[DRJJ1]

The school is growing and has continued to improve its system?

Ironically, there are less students on campus than it used to be when they started out. The facilities have not improved a bit. No research facilities or components on site, no labs, etc. Some much needed ingredients.

We are not discrediting the school. Just pesenting some issues. The school takex care of discrediting itself by not doing anything proactive in their campus to make it more credible.

Max

lets see now,,usa wont allow them in the us so now they moved to canada sounds like a great school in the making

[Doc2B2007]

Oh are you on campus to count the students there? Please say hello to my friends for me! I will email them to look for you and welcome you to the campus and show you around!

The school is growing and has continued to improve its system?

Ironically, there are less students on campus than it used to be when they started out. The facilities have not improved a bit. No research facilities or components on site, no labs, etc. Some much needed ingredients.

We are not discrediting the school. Just pesenting some issues. The school takex care of discrediting itself by not doing anything proactive in their campus to make it more credible.

Max

[diogenes]

Oh are you on campus to count the students there? Please say hello to my friends for me! I will email them to look for you and welcome you to the campus and show you around!
So, roughly how many students are there on-campus?
What are the lab and library facilities like?

[vnukala]

I heard only like 5 people graduated from this school. Thats what the admissions lady told me. also there is no real interview to get into this schoool. Why go here, when you can apply to better schools like AUA or MUA that require no mcats. I applied to IUHS, as they said u can attend their school there or do it online, and when I actually talked to a lady who represents IUHS she said to me why do you want to waste money going to the island when you can do it online, and thats what brought the red flag on for me. There are lectures on campus, but most likely it will only be one person or a few. I would strongly recommend not going to IUHS.

[lmoliver]

I heard only like 5 people graduated from this school. Thats what the admissions lady told me. also there is no real interview to get into this schoool. Why go here, when you can apply to better schools like AUA or MUA that require no mcats. I applied to IUHS, as they said u can attend their school there or do it online, and when I actually talked to a lady who represents IUHS she said to me why do you want to waste money going to the island when you can do it online, and thats what brought the red flag on for me. There are lectures on campus, but most likely it will only be one person or a few. I would strongly recommend not going to IUHS.

I was told by several students that there are 3 lectures/day online. Attendance is taken electronically. However, if you miss a lecture you can look at it at a different time. The lectures take approx 5 hr/day. Online or not, that is "going to class," my friend.

[DRJJ1]

Oh are you on campus to count the students there? Please say hello to my friends for me! I will email them to look for you and welcome you to the campus and show you around!


maybe you re there by yourself,,,I bet there are not more than 4 people there if that many,,,I will bet you right now if you get licensed ill give you my vette,,,but if you don t then you ,,well you ll have nothing by then,,forget it uneven bet,,,:roll:

[Doc2B2007]

I heard only like 5 people graduated from this school. Thats what the admissions lady told me. also there is no real interview to get into this schoool. Why go here, when you can apply to better schools like AUA or MUA that require no mcats. I applied to IUHS, as they said u can attend their school there or do it online, and when I actually talked to a lady who represents IUHS she said to me why do you want to waste money going to the island when you can do it online, and thats what brought the red flag on for me. There are lectures on campus, but most likely it will only be one person or a few. I would strongly recommend not going to IUHS.
Again false information!