Official Ross 2007 Residency Interview Thread

[TheeeGod]

That time of the year again! Please inform the rest of us of where you got an interview, and for what field. Good luck!

[Linus]

3 so far in internal medicine
Medical college of georgia
university of oklahoma
Presbyterian Hospital of Dallas

[ERMD5]

3 so far in internal medicine
Medical college of georgia
university of oklahoma
Presbyterian Hospital of Dallas

Can u tell me how early did u apply and if your application was complete when u applied. I mean u have all step 1, 2, and CS scores in???
Thanks

[Shah_Patel_PT]

Can u tell me how early did u apply and if your application was complete when u applied. I mean u have all step 1, 2, and CS scores in???
Thanks

I received 6 interviews invites so far.....based only on Step 1.

[singer]

I received 6 interviews invites so far.....based only on Step 1..

Just curious how long after you did the application process on ERAS did you get the email for an intrerview?

[Linus]

i only had step 1 and 1 LOR plus CAF.

[singer]

i only had step 1 and 1 LOR plus CAF.

Just out of curiousity what is CAF?


THanks and good luck!

[razorback831]

Common Application Form

[Shah_Patel_PT]

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Just curious how long after you did the application process on ERAS did you get the email for an intrerview?

8 days......but I must admit.....this week has been dry so far...:(

[ERMD5]

I got one today ....2 days after I applied. But its from a FM program at Medical college of Georgia.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

I got one today ....2 days after I applied. But its from a FM program at Medical college of Georgia.

any invite is a good invite!

[ERMD5]

any invite is a good invite!

Tru tru ....I totally agree.

[bevo]

nothing here yet.

Shah_Patel_PT : are those invites in radiology?

[Shah_Patel_PT]

nothing here yet.

Shah_Patel_PT : are those invites in radiology?

lol.....dont want to answer dat here.....you will figure it out soon...:)

[TheeeGod]

lol.....dont want to answer dat here.....you will figure it out soon...:)

Why? I dont see any harm.

Plus where are these invites and in what field?

[FoxTrot]

Why? I dont see any harm.

Plus where are these invites and in what field?

If you're looking for places to apply to for the match in 2008, just wait until this match is over with. I think the general consensus is that if you reveal where you're applying to while interviews are still being given out, then somebody here will also read this board and then apply to the same programs you're applying to and will just be another competition for a seat. It's probably being overly competitive but I guess it does matter when theres only so many positions available for all the applicants in a particular specialty.

[microphage]

gotta love the Ross mentality. :cool:

[FoxTrot]

gotta love the Ross mentality. :cool:

It's a survival instinct learned on the island.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

If you're looking for places to apply to for the match in 2008, just wait until this match is over with. I think the general consensus is that if you reveal where you're applying to while interviews are still being given out, then somebody here will also read this board and then apply to the same programs you're applying to and will just be another competition for a seat. It's probably being overly competitive but I guess it does matter when theres only so many positions available for all the applicants in a particular specialty.

Not really for that reason...I already PMed the information to him/her.

[TheeeGod]

Not really for that reason...I already PMed the information to him/her.

Co-sign. It's all good - if a person chooses not to disclose, then thats fine. Good luck to all and keep this alive.

[Gator98MD]

If somebody were to apply to particular program because they learned on an internet forum that someone else (with probably completely different credentials ) applied to said program, then they need to get their head checked!!!
I went into IM because I want to do a fellowship.

If you're looking for places to apply to for the match in 2008, just wait until this match is over with. I think the general consensus is that if you reveal where you're applying to while interviews are still being given out, then somebody here will also read this board and then apply to the same programs you're applying to and will just be another competition for a seat. It's probably being overly competitive but I guess it does matter when theres only so many positions available for all the applicants in a particular specialty.

[microphage]

It's a survival instinct learned on the island.

I always joke that the Rossies have to hunt the chicken in order for KFC to cook it.

the most common response I get from them: "You ain't too far off"

[singer]

Just curious since this thread became DORMANT how long does it take from when you submit an application on ERAS until you should get an email for an interview? Also curios as to what is a good percentage rate of interview per number of apllications sent out?

[Shah_Patel_PT]

i got 5 more!

Keep the thread on....nobody is posting???

[ERMD5]

Well I haven't had any good news lately so I didn't post anything. Got a few rejections but no interviews:cry:

[singer]

Well I haven't had any good news lately so I didn't post anything. Got a few rejections but no interviews:cry:

My son has 3 interviews lined up but hasn't heard from most of the places he filed applications. My assumption is that some of the places do interviews on a rolling basis as applications are received. It is also my assumption that most of the hospitals wait until they receive a good number of applications auntil they schedule interviews since most interviews are held in Nov. Dec and Jan they don't have to rush the process.

Hopefully you applied to a few SAFE places where your GPA and USMLE scores are within the criteria of the application process.

Be patient and I am sure you will get several interviews.

Good luck

[Shah_Patel_PT]

My son has 3 interviews lined up but hasn't heard from most of the places he filed applications. My assumption is that some of the places do interviews on a rolling basis as applications are received. It is also my assumption that most of the hospitals wait until they receive a good number of applications auntil they schedule interviews since most interviews are held in Nov. Dec and Jan they don't have to rush the process.

Hopefully you applied to a few SAFE places where your GPA and USMLE scores are within the criteria of the application process.

Be patient and I am sure you will get several interviews.

Good luck

I think its entirely up to the programs. I have already heard back from numerous programs...that they will make a decision after Nov 1st (deans letter release).

But 1/4 of the programs already granted an interview.

By they way....1 more today!

[bevo]

what's everyone interviewing for?

[ERMD5]

Has anyone applied to ER programs?? and heard back from them??? I haven't heard a thing from any single ER program I applied to. I dont' know if I should think of it as a good thing or a bad thing.

[popozao]

I received 6 interviews invites so far.....based only on Step 1.




didn't you get around 220? do people with this score get a grip of invites?

[bevo]

welp

got my first rejection tonight for a prelim spot.

1 interview for rads, but its because I'm doing an away rotation at the institution now.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

didn't you get around 220? do people with this score get a grip of invites?

I dont want to discuss my score. Where I match....will give you an idea. (wait till 3/2007)

Friends of mine who had low scores have also started receiving invites. I think it has more to do, with when your application is completed (i.e. all files downloaded by program).

It is also an advantage to have both step scores released to the programs.

I did all this early in the process....so now I can pick which interviews to actually go to. Although I think I will attend all the ones nearby....just to be safe.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

welp

got my first rejection tonight for a prelim spot.

1 interview for rads, but its because I'm doing an away rotation at the institution now.

Congrats! Rads interview is a big deal! What state are you in?

[ERMD5]

I dont want to discuss my score. Where I match....will give you an idea. (wait till 3/2007)

Friends of mine who had low scores have also started receiving invites. I think it has more to do, with when your application is completed (i.e. all files downloaded by program).

It is also an advantage to have both step scores released to the programs.

I did all this early in the process....so now I can pick which interviews to actually go to. Although I think I will attend all the ones nearby....just to be safe.

So I haven't gotten my step 2 scores yet....u think that might be a reason I haven't heard from some of the programs yet?? I'm hoping I should get my scores in the next 2 to 3 weeks.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

So I haven't gotten my step 2 scores yet....u think that might be a reason I haven't heard from some of the programs yet?? I'm hoping I should get my scores in the next 2 to 3 weeks.

It may depend for certain programs. I suggest once you get your CK scores...release them ASAP. You will see the interview invites will start coming. EM PDs may do stuff differently than IM programs.

I had good scores on both Step 1 and 2...but this is what I noticed:

The exact day my step 2 CK was released (i did not get the score yet), I started getting a flood of interviews (2/day). Later it went to about 1-2 a week.

I talked to some PDs (IM) and they told me they are planning on sending more invites in the next 2 weeks.

[bevo]

I got the interview at St V's where I just did an elective rotation at. It just sucks that they only got 1 spot open this year and have 20 other people lined up thus far to interview for it.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

I got the interview at St V's where I just did an elective rotation at. It just sucks that they only got 1 spot open this year and have 20 other people lined up thus far to interview for it.

St.V CMC??? 1 spot for rads?

[bevo]

St V's in CT, not the NYC one. Small community program.

They got their 12 positions filled up oddly. previous 2 years they took in 9 of the 12 residents. This year has only 1 spot.

[FoxTrot]

Only have two so far, 1 in Family Medicine and 1 in Emergency Medicine.

I imagine once my Step 2 scores comes in, I'll probably get alot more hopefully.

[singer]

I got the interview at St V's where I just did an elective rotation at. It just sucks that they only got 1 spot open this year and have 20 other people lined up thus far to interview for it.

If you do on the FREIDA site and look at the info for each ACGME residency many fall into the range of 7 to 10 interviews for every available residency spot. I guess its like colleges where they accept twice as many students then they have openings figuirng many students will choose better or less expensive places. With residencies they must figure that many students that they interview will rank other choices higher.

[popozao]

good luck to all.

any residency is a good residency, eh? even if it is a community program.
Does the same principle apply as in med school?---- (residency is what you make of it) ?

[bevo]

depends.

I think in some residencies where you do it kinda determines your post-residency employment.

Depends if you want to just work in private practice or work in an academic center. Going to a community program makes working in a academic setting more difficult.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

good luck to all.

any residency is a good residency, eh? even if it is a community program.
Does the same principle apply as in med school?---- (residency is what you make of it) ?

I think where you did your residency is much MORE important than where you did medical school. Although "what you make of it" applies to wherever you go......I think the "name" of your residency plays a much more powerful impact when it comes to applying for fellowships!

Try to get into a popular place (obviously...u must be happy here), because you can do research and get LORs for your future endeavors from here....whether it be a new job/research position/academics/fellowships.

[backtocali]

5 interviews in the Los Angeles area so far...

[anencephalic]

Tou may want to refer to this thread:

http://www.valuemd.com/ross-university-school-medicine/121530-official-ross-2007-residency-interview-thread.html

[backtocali]

This is a separate thread primarily for those of us who either want to return to our native California or simply want to do residency/practice there.

Anyone else applying for CA???

[rokshana]

This is a separate thread primarily for those of us who either want to return to our native California or simply want to do residency/practice there.

Anyone else applying for CA???

evidently the mods didn't it was necessary...

[TheeeGod]

5 interviews in the Los Angeles area so far...

Can ya not be so vague and mention what field and what places? It would be helpful to all in the future.

[backtocali]

I guess the mods would rather have interesting information regarding California residency buried in another BROAD topic... Coming from California (and seeing threads such as January 2007 Californians) - there is definitely a place for a SEPARATE thread to address our issues...

If any of you from California would like to find out more, PM me (since the mods would rather not address these issues)...

[Shah_Patel_PT]

I guess the mods would rather have interesting information regarding California residency buried in another BROAD topic... Coming from California (and seeing threads such as January 2007 Californians) - there is definitely a place for a SEPARATE thread to address our issues...

If any of you from California would like to find out more, PM me (since the mods would rather not address these issues)...

If you have more useful info...why dont you just post it here...rather than PM. It may be beneficial to us all...

[Dru]

The Ross Forum had "Residency Interview" and "California Residency Interview" threads. I merged the two threads to prevent duplicity and consolidate information for users. If you are offended and feel THAT territorial, please restart another thread for California. I attempted to "unmerge" the threads, but the VMD network does not have that ability or option. I apologize if Californians took it personally, so if you want to restart your own thread, you have my encouragement.

[bevo]

Tally thus far:
Radiology ->
1 - Radiology Interview
1 - Waitlist for Interview
1 - Reject for Interview

Prelim Med ->
2 - Interviews
1- Reject for Interview

[singer]

Tally thus far:
Radiology ->
1 - Radiology Interview
1 - Waitlist for Interview
1 - Reject for Interview

Prelim Med ->
2 - Interviews
1- Reject for Interview

Bevo:

Good luck with your interviews. My son has five interviews so far. Just curious what a waitlist is on an interview? Also how many places did you apply. Did you apply to all the Rads places on the ROSS Residency list for the last two years which would give acgme indication of ROSS freindly places and also the SGU list.

See you at graduation this spring in NEW YORK.

I am sure you will get a good RADS or PRELIM MED Residency.

[ERMD5]

Ok now I'm getting really worried. I haven't gotten any more interviews since that one a while ago.....My step result is out but I dont' know what my score is. Since I haven't gotten any offers...I'm assuming I didn't do very good on the step :( .......Any one thinks otherwise???

[Dru]

Kid got 10 invites out of 30 apps. Don't know the details, but happy.

[singer]

Kid got 10 invites out of 30 apps. Don't know the details, but happy.

Thats great and good luck to all. A 30 % interview rate must be better then most. Just curious if more interviews come after ERAS releaases the Deans letter on Nov 1st. Never figured out why they wait until Nov 1st to release the letter.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

Thats great and good luck to all. A 30 % interview rate must be better then most. Just curious if more interviews come after ERAS releaases the Deans letter on Nov 1st. Never figured out why they wait until Nov 1st to release the letter.

I dont think the Nov 1st date is really significant for US grads, but it is for IMGs.

Some programs have told me that they will begin looking at my application after Nov 1st. (after receipt of MSPE)

[newB]

Hey all and those who have traveled these steps before.... All I can say regarding the Match, it sucks!!! the waiting is terriable... I sent my stuff out in Sept for IM, have received 3 interviews so far out of many applications. My scores are average, over 80, not so great, passed on the first time for both steps.

Am I just over anxious and need to be more patient or if I have not received something by now, then I am just out of luck?

Does anyone know when the bulk of interview requests goes out? Or should I just apply for FP, people in that boat are getting tons of interviews with lower scores and failed attempts. Anyone with experience have thoughts on this? The people at ECFMG told me this is a record year, or could it be that every year is a record year, who knows...

Comments anyone???

[singer]

Hey all and those who have traveled these steps before.... All I can say regarding the Match, it sucks!!! the waiting is terriable... I sent my stuff out in Sept for IM, have received 3 interviews so far out of many applications. My scores are average, over 80, not so great, passed on the first time for both steps.

Am I just over anxious and need to be more patient or if I have not received something by now, then I am just out of luck?

Does anyone know when the bulk of interview requests goes out? Or should I just apply for FP, people in that boat are getting tons of interviews with lower scores and failed attempts. Anyone with experience have thoughts on this? The people at ECFMG told me this is a record year, or could it be that every year is a record year, who knows...

Comments anyone???

I can relate to you as my son is in a similar situation where he has sent out many apps and has received 5 interviews and 1 rejection so far. The assumption is that if you haven't received many rejections then you are still in the running for more interviews especially those programs that wait until Nov 1st to get the complleted app packages.

If you really have your heart set on IM or a sub-specialty of IM then go for it. FP is very limited in branching out into other areas of Medicine.

Remember to do your best on the interviews and convince the programs you are the best candidate. Some people do lousy on standardized testes but become great doctors.

Good luck. I am sure you will suceed.

[popozao]

the caribbean stigma still exists. seems like many places don't wanna deal with us.

either that, or you must have a way higher step score.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

the caribbean stigma still exists. seems like many places don't wanna deal with us.

either that, or you must have a way higher step score.

As far as IM residency goes....I dont think there is a real stigma against IMGs (besides at the top 10 IM programs, due to need for having AOA status).

But, there is a 100% stigma against carib grads and IMGs in the other more competetive specialties such as Rads, Rad Onc, Anesth, Derm, etc...

[ERMD5]

I can relate to you as my son is in a similar situation where he has sent out many apps and has received 5 interviews and 1 rejection so far. The assumption is that if you haven't received many rejections then you are still in the running for more interviews especially those programs that wait until Nov 1st to get the complleted app packages.

If you really have your heart set on IM or a sub-specialty of IM then go for it. FP is very limited in branching out into other areas of Medicine.

Remember to do your best on the interviews and convince the programs you are the best candidate. Some people do lousy on standardized testes but become great doctors.

Good luck. I am sure you will suceed.

OK ...so I have applied to around 50 IM programs....I haven't recieved any interview offers but gotten about 8 o r 9 rejections.....( 3 or 4 of those were top notch programs).....so should I be worried??....ever since my result for step 2 came out....its been quite...not a single interview or rejection...I dont' know what to make of it....cuz I don't even know how well (or bad) I did on Ck yet.:confused:

[rokshana]

As far as IM residency goes....I dont think there is a real stigma against IMGs (besides at the top 10 IM programs, due to need for having AOA status).

But, there is a 100% stigma against carib grads and IMGs in the other more competetive specialties such as Rads, Rad Onc, Anesth, Derm, etc...

did you know that the whole 1st year of anesthesia this last year at Boston University were all FMGs?
just a bit of interesting info!

[popozao]

did you know that the whole 1st year of anesthesia this last year at Boston University were all FMGs?
just a bit of interesting info!


that is interesting indeed. you 100% sure about this info?

very encouraging. i'm thinking about going into anesthesia

[newB]

So, what now? How many interviews are considered a success... I guess all you need is 2 to rank, #1 and #2... hmmmmm sad!

[rokshana]

that is interesting indeed. you 100% sure about this info?

very encouraging. i'm thinking about going into anesthesia
my friend is chief there this year- he told me so himself

[Shah_Patel_PT]

did you know that the whole 1st year of anesthesia this last year at Boston University were all FMGs?
just a bit of interesting info!

I guess the quality/type of the program has to do with it as well.

The program is pyramidal in nature...so I dont know if that has anything to do with it. People who don't mind applying elsewhere after getting in, may not mind matching here.

(Pyramidal= not all who entered will finish)

Usually general surgery residencies are structured, pyrimidal in nature.


Got this from ACGME site for 2005:

Year 1 Filled Positions: 8
Year 2 Filled Positions: 7
Year 3 Filled Positions: 6
Total Number of Filled Positions: 21

[rokshana]

I guess the quality/type of the program has to do with it as well.

The program is pyramidal in nature...so I dont know if that has anything to do with it. People who don't mind applying elsewhere after getting in, may not mind matching here.

(Pyramidal= not all who entered will finish)

Usually general surgery residencies are structured, pyrimidal in nature.


Got this from ACGME site for 2005:

Year 1 Filled Positions: 8
Year 2 Filled Positions: 7
Year 3 Filled Positions: 6
Total Number of Filled Positions: 21

well, while he wasn't sure why it worked out that way last year, he did say that his program was SGU friendly, that there was an sgu grad in his class and one in the class below- in fact he is one of the reasons i even applied to sgu (and ross and auc...) because while he was an the interview trail, he said he saw alot of sgu students interviewing with him ( was my greatest fear that I would have an MD and not be able to practice in the States).

he really likes the program (and is on the interview trail again for a pain fellow and has been getting interviews left and right- so the fellowship directors must have a good feel- but he's chief so that probably helped too!!).

don't know if his program is pyrimidal -have to ask, though with the numbers you quoted, it certainly looks that way.

i just asked- he said that their average is 7, one guy got booted because quote unquote - "he sucked" and they are trying to up the spots to 9 if the ACGME will approve- so for you anesthesia types- look into BU - boston is a pretty cool town - didnt like it at 1st, but has grown on me in the last few years

[Shah_Patel_PT]

well, while he wasn't sure why it worked out that way last year, he did say that his program was SGU friendly, that there was an sgu grad in his class and one in the class below- in fact he is one of the reasons i even applied to sgu (and ross and auc...) because while he was an the interview trail, he said he saw alot of sgu students interviewing with him ( was my greatest fear that I would have an MD and not be able to practice in the States).

he really likes the program (and is on the interview trail again for a pain fellow and has been getting interviews left and right- so the fellowship directors must have a good feel- but he's chief so that probably helped too!!).

don't know if his program is pyrimidal -have to ask, though with the numbers you quoted, it certainly looks that way.

i just asked- he said that their average is 7, one guy got booted because quote unquote - "he sucked" and they are trying to up the spots to 9 if the ACGME will approve- so for you anesthesia types- look into BU - boston is a pretty cool town - didnt like it at 1st, but has grown on me in the last few years

Thanks for the info. Useful for the GA crowd.

[popozao]

yeah. but sgu friendly doesn't necessarily mean ross friendly.
sgu students are generally of a higher caliber than the rest of the caribbean.

i hope it all comes down to scores, rather than bias toward sgu.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

yeah. but sgu friendly doesn't necessarily mean ross friendly.
sgu students are generally of a higher caliber than the rest of the caribbean.

i hope it all comes down to scores, rather than bias toward sgu.

Its not all about SGU. But... I personally have family members who are SGU alumni....and info from them does tell me that there are a lot more SGU friendly hospitals in states such as PA and MI.

I think that gives them (SGU students for residency and interns for fellowships) the edge. There are numerous Ross friendly hospitals as well, but they are mainly in the NY area.

[rokshana]

yeah. but sgu friendly doesn't necessarily mean ross friendly.
sgu students are generally of a higher caliber than the rest of the caribbean.

i hope it all comes down to scores, rather than bias toward sgu.

i'm at sgu, so he just tells me about the sgu people- but remember the whole CA-1 class are IMG/FMG - can't ALL be sgu (boy, would we have something to boast about then!!:D ) - just pointing out that if one offshore school is in there, they will certainly be inclined to grant interviews to others.

[FoxTrot]

I'm happy that I got two more emergency medicine interviews. Looks like I have a decent chance to get into an ER program. If not I still have 3 FP interviews lined up as a backup plan.

:)

[bevo]

welp just more rejections. I should print out a list and cross out the ones.

Got step 2 scores in hand now.

[ERMD5]

welp just more rejections. I should print out a list and cross out the ones.

Got step 2 scores in hand now.

I'm in the same shoes as u....so disappointing. I don't think my step 2 scores are too bad. I was hoping I could get some interviews based on that.

[teekay]

Let's revive this thread from the dead...

3 IM invites so far...applied late, beginning of October.

No rejections at least...How's everyone else doing? Seems like this thread has been quiet for a few days.

[Linus]

11/38 so far...i applied in september and have only heard from one in past week

[singer]

Just to help other students my son so far has 9 interviews out of 40 apps in two different specialties. He has 2 rejections so far which out of curiosity were from other parts of the country.

Hope this helps.

good luck to all of you.

[TheeeGod]

Just to help other students my son so far has 9 interviews out of 40 apps in two different specialties. He has 2 rejections so far which out of curiosity were from other parts of the country.

Hope this helps.

good luck to all of you.

what specialties?

[Shah_Patel_PT]

15/43 No R yet.

[LINY]

Internal medicine 22
Combined IM/Psych 4

[singer]

Internal medicine 22
Combined IM/Psych 4

Does taking many days off during an elective rotation for interviews affect your grade in the rotation?

Good luckk on your interviews.

[zedpol]

Tricky, but yes it can affect your grade. One should keep the person they report to up to date about their interviews and make sure they aren't stepping on any toes. Some people get very bent out of shape about this, others are really cool about it.

Z

[ERMD5]

Ok am I the only one or someone else has the same situation. No interview from any IM program:(
I've applied to 65 IM programs.

[popozao]

Ok am I the only one or someone else has the same situation. No interview from any IM program:(
I've applied to 65 IM programs.


are your scores decent? how many safetys do you have?

[bevo]

dunno man. Maybe things will pick up once the dean's letter is released.

As for me

2 Prelims interviews
1 TY interviews
2 Radiology interviews


Rejections : TOo many

[popozao]

could you guys list where the rejections are coming from?

maybe we'll know which places are not so img friendly...

[Shah_Patel_PT]

Rejection: Albert Einstein Program...LIJ, NY

[bevo]

Prelim : St Fr*ncis Chicago; Caritas? Boston

Radiology: Iowa, Keiser Perminente Cali, Willy Beaumont, Wayne State, Henry Ford, Univ of Florida gainsville?, MUSC, I can't remember the rest and don't feel inclined enough to look them up. Number is probably around 15.

[ERMD5]

For IM I got rejections from: Uof IL, (Peoria)Cleveland Clinic, (Weston Fl) St. ******* Hosp (Evanston,IL) Texas A&M, Uni of Alabama(Birmingham) UMDNJ-NJMS, Moses cones (Greensboro, NC).

I dont' know if I applied to wrong places or what is it. I haven't heard from any EM programs that I've applied to. At this point I'm not too hopeful as I've not even gotten any IM interviews. Just got 2 FM Interview offers, not something very high on my list, but ofcourse I'll still go for the interview.

[RossMD2006]

Hang in there man...we are all in the same boat.

[singer]

For IM I got rejections from: Uof IL, (Peoria)Cleveland Clinic, (Weston Fl) St. ******* Hosp (Evanston,IL) Texas A&M, Uni of Alabama(Birmingham) UMDNJ-NJMS, Moses cones (Greensboro, NC).

I dont' know if I applied to wrong places or what is it. I haven't heard from any EM programs that I've applied to. At this point I'm not too hopeful as I've not even gotten any IM interviews. Just got 2 FM Interview offers, not something very high on my list, but ofcourse I'll still go for the interview.

I assume you passed both the usmle 1 AND usmle 2CK ON YOUR 1ST try and they you have over a B average for your GPA. I can only go by my son who has applied to 40 IM programs and 14 progams in a specialty and has receceid 2 interviews in the specialty and 11 in IM so far including one that you were rejected at. He did receive two rejections at competitive programs that only have 5 first year residency slots. I would assume your grades in the USMLE are similar to his unless you got better then the national average.

You can check for many programs as to what theier minimum requirements are and if they require an 85 Usmle and you had an 82 then unless you have something else to offer you probably won't get an interview.

You should look at your list and apply to more cummunity basedprograms which are easier to get interviews. Also be flexible where you will go for the residencey. My son was realistic and didn't apply to top tier programs.

It has been stated that certain programs wait until the Deans letter is released on NOv 1st to start their interview process. If this is true than this may generate some interviews for you.

Doing FP even though it isn't your first choice isn't bad. If this is where you get the interviews then reconsider if you feel comfortable practicing in FP.

Hope this helps and keep your chin up.

[singer]

Prelim : St Fr*ncis Chicago; Caritas? Boston

Radiology: Iowa, Keiser Perminente Cali, Willy Beaumont, Wayne State, Henry Ford, Univ of Florida gainsville?, MUSC, I can't remember the rest and don't feel inclined enough to look them up. Number is probably around 15.

Congrats on your interviews!! It might help if we knew how many you applied to.

[zedpol]

For IM I got rejections from: Uof IL, (Peoria)Cleveland Clinic, (Weston Fl) St. ******* Hosp (Evanston,IL) Texas A&M, Uni of Alabama(Birmingham) UMDNJ-NJMS, Moses cones (Greensboro, NC).

I dont' know if I applied to wrong places or what is it. I haven't heard from any EM programs that I've applied to. At this point I'm not too hopeful as I've not even gotten any IM interviews. Just got 2 FM Interview offers, not something very high on my list, but ofcourse I'll still go for the interview.


ERMD5, don't get up hope yet. Historically ER programs send out invites later than most people and added to that fact most places will wait until your deans letter is our because you are an FMG (and some US students too) until they send you an invite. You will want to start seriously considering your backup later in Novemeber but right now you just gotta wait. Just because it needs repeating, Don't give up hope yet. :cool:

z

[ERMD5]

Thanks a lot guys.....I guess there isn't much time before the dean's letter is released anyways. So I can wait till then.

[TheeeGod]

Rads (someone I know) - U. Albany, Santa Monica (cali), Baylor

[awdc]

Interviews so far...

2 Emergency Medicine
2 Preliminary IM
0 Transitional Year
0 Rejections

Best of luck to everyone.

[MushieCookie]

Thanks a lot guys.....I guess there isn't much time before the dean's letter is released anyways. So I can wait till then.

ERMD5...just like what zedpol said, MOST EM programs don't start giving out interviews until after the deans letter is released...not just for IMG's, but for US/DO students as well. If you don't start hearing stuff by the 2nd week of November...that is the time to start 'worrying' a little.

Until then, hang tight.
If you've got great SLOR's for EM, with pretty good board scores, you should be alright (assuming you applied to many programs, and casted a WIDE net).

[ERMD5]

ERMD5...just like what zedpol said, MOST EM programs don't start giving out interviews until after the deans letter is released...not just for IMG's, but for US/DO students as well. If you don't start hearing stuff by the 2nd week of November...that is the time to start 'worrying' a little.

Until then, hang tight.
If you've got great SLOR's for EM, with pretty good board scores, you should be alright (assuming you applied to many programs, and casted a WIDE net).

I've applied to 24 programs in Fl, GA, NC, SC, IL, NJ, and NY....I didn't apply to too many NY programs...Do u guys think I should apply to more programs?

[bevo]

Dear Applicant to the Internal Medicine Training Program at Baylor University Medical Center (Dallas):

Thanks for your interest in our Internal Medicine Training Program. We have received a very large number of applications this year and have only a limited number of interview slots. Consequently, we are forced to be very selective in extending interview invitations. At this time we do not believe your application is strong enough to be competitive with our expected successful pool of applicants.

I do wish you the best of luck in finding an acceptable training program. We will keep your application on file and notify you if our situation changes.

Respectfully,
Michael Emmett M.D. for the Admission Committee



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That rejection just stinks. I think this is a anti-fmg reply basically.

[zedpol]

aholes


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[Shah_Patel_PT]

Here is what I received. :(


__________________________________
Dear LIJ Applicant,

On behalf of the Department of Medicine Intern Admissions Committee, I wish to thank you for your application to the Residency Program at Long Island Jewish Medical Center for the academic year beginning July 1, 2007.

The committee has reviewed your application, and I regret to inform you that we cannot offer you an interview. We received an exceptionally strong applicant pool and, regrettably, must disappoint many highly qualified candidates.

We applaud you for your many accomplishments and wish you every happiness and success in your future endeavors. Thank you once again for your interest in Long Island Jewish Medical Center.

Sincerely,
SL

[bevo]

I've gotten more than my share of rejections like that. But none put me down like Baylor did.

[popozao]

Here is what I received. :(


__________________________________
Dear LIJ Applicant,

On behalf of the Department of Medicine Intern Admissions Committee, I wish to thank you for your application to the Residency Program at Long Island Jewish Medical Center for the academic year beginning July 1, 2007.

The committee has reviewed your application, and I regret to inform you that we cannot offer you an interview. We received an exceptionally strong applicant pool and, regrettably, must disappoint many highly qualified candidates.

We applaud you for your many accomplishments and wish you every happiness and success in your future endeavors. Thank you once again for your interest in Long Island Jewish Medical Center.

Sincerely,
SL



The funny thing is, if you had a 2.0 gpa and 182 step1, you'd get the same canned letter. :D

Are you jewish? maybe that's part of the reason they rejected you :P

I think i will end up in a small community hospital for my residency.

[singer]

My son got two rejections from South Carolina and Washington DC which indicated that they only had 5 first year residency postions and recived many applicationsand wished him good luck. At least you know where you stand when you get a rejection so if you want to you can send in more Apps. I wonder how many programs don't even have the decency to send a letter if they don't want to give you an interview. You would think that it would be mandatory to send a letter by a certain date.

[popozao]

how much are application fees typically?

i plan to apply to all 250 of the lowest tier places when my time comes. :)

[singer]

how much are application fees typically?

i plan to apply to all 250 of the lowest tier places when my time comes. :)

i beleive the amount is based on each Specialty you apply to but if it is all in IM then anything over 30 apps are at $25 per App. 1-10 apps per specialty $60 total and then scale between 10 and 30 apps. Go on ERAS site for more details.

250 seems like alot of APPS

[popozao]

i beleive the amount is based on each Specialty you apply to but if it is all in IM then anything over 30 apps are at $25 per App. 1-10 apps per specialty $60 total and then scale between 10 and 30 apps. Go on ERAS site for more details.

250 seems like alot of APPS


hey, if it guarantees me a residency, i'll apply to 500. I'd rather get matched in one try.

220 x 25 = $5500.

no problem. i'll have that money set aside.

[bevo]

its the same cost for all specialities. Price is available on ERAS Programs (http://www.aamc.org/eras)

$55 for the first 10 program plus $50 usmle release fee
then like $8/each for the next 10
then like $15/each for the next 10 after that
and then its $25/each for every program after that

[Shah_Patel_PT]

how much are application fees typically?

i plan to apply to all 250 of the lowest tier places when my time comes. :)


that is a lot of programs. If you hand pick a good 75 programs...i think you will match...

[Shah_Patel_PT]

The funny thing is, if you had a 2.0 gpa and 182 step1, you'd get the same canned letter. :D

Are you jewish? maybe that's part of the reason they rejected you :P

I think i will end up in a small community hospital for my residency.

No not Jewish...i doubt that had anything to do with it.

It's just so random...one day you get an Ivy League interview and the next day you get a rejection from a community program.

It's really hard to predict what programs will rank you high, even after an interview.

[zedpol]

1)notions of competitiveness based on what you the think of the undergrad institution don't hold up. Ivy league doesn't mean it will have a good program. Heck, look at Boston U, great school. They are part of the 2nd best peds program in the US and maybe the World yet their anesthesiology department has a terrible reputation.

2) Sometimes the better programs will interview anyone that looks interesting to them regardless of where they went to school because the program is so solid they don't have to worry about their reputation with an FMG in the program. A lot of the 2nd tier programs will be more aggressive about keeping their program USMG only as they are more worried about upward mobility.

Z

[Shah_Patel_PT]

1)notions of competitiveness based on what you the think of the undergrad institution don't hold up. Ivy league doesn't mean it will have a good program. Heck, look at Boston U, great school. They are part of the 2nd best peds program in the US and maybe the World yet their anesthesiology department has a terrible reputation.

2) Sometimes the better programs will interview anyone that looks interesting to them regardless of where they went to school because the program is so solid they don't have to worry about their reputation with an FMG in the program. A lot of the 2nd tier programs will be more aggressive about keeping their program USMG only as they are more worried about upward mobility.

Z

Very true. Thanks for your input zedpol.

[popozao]

Heck, look at Boston U, great school. They are part of the 2nd best peds program in the US and maybe the World yet their anesthesiology department has a terrible reputation.



so that explains why the whole gas intern class was fmg.

but hey, you still come out and become an anesthesiologist though, right?

what are the implications of going to a terribly reputed program? no recruitments after completion?

[rokshana]

so that explains why the whole gas intern class was fmg.

but hey, you still come out and become an anesthesiologist though, right?

what are the implications of going to a terribly reputed program? no recruitments after completion?

well my friend just told me last night he got a pain management fellow spot at the cleveland clinic - so you can come out of a not so good program and still get a fellow spot (and a pretty good one at that!).

[Shah_Patel_PT]

well my friend just told me last night he got a pain management fellow spot at the cleveland clinic - so you can come out of a not so good program and still get a fellow spot (and a pretty good one at that!).

thats awesome. It seems like CC is one of the few better institutions that give caribbean graduates a second chance.

[popozao]

rokshana, you always have interesting little stories.

makes me wanna work a little harder. I would love to go into pain mgmt.

hot damn.

[rokshana]

rokshana, you always have interesting little stories.

makes me wanna work a little harder. I would love to go into pain mgmt.

hot damn.

i always try to inform as well as entertain!

though he's moving from boston to cleveland- well I guess cleveland could be interesting (but I 've learned to like boston- if it was a little further south- i'd live there).

[Dru]

hey, if it guarantees me a residency, i'll apply to 500. I'd rather get matched in one try.

220 x 25 = $5500.

no problem. i'll have that money set aside.


The problem with this is that you will need to be doing a lot of travel time and money with the interviews. Keep in mind that your interviews are ususally squeezed into the time that you're finishing your clerkships...clinical preceptors don't always look kindly on you being gone. The investment of $5.5K is minimal compared to the $ in travel to interviews.

[popozao]

The problem with this is that you will need to be doing a lot of travel time and money with the interviews. Keep in mind that your interviews are ususally squeezed into the time that you're finishing your clerkships...clinical preceptors don't always look kindly on you being gone. The investment of $5.5K is minimal compared to the $ in travel to interviews.


yeah, i figured that much. but since people are getting 5 interviews invites for every 35 rejections, i just thought i'd maximize my potential interviews. Then when I've had 30 invites, and 220 rejects, I'd select the interviews i really wanted. :eek: i think i might actually have time to go to many interviews, as i'll probably have lots of downtime after finishing clinicals. Money is not an issue. if it means i can finish residency on time and start earning the big bucks, it's a small price to pay.

let's say 30 interviews x ($380 roundtrip + 60$ motel) = extra $13000 give or take. :D:D:D:D add that to $5500 application fees. Am i crazy?

[singer]

The problem with this is that you will need to be doing a lot of travel time and money with the interviews. Keep in mind that your interviews are ususally squeezed into the time that you're finishing your clerkships...clinical preceptors don't always look kindly on you being gone. The investment of $5.5K is minimal compared to the $ in travel to interviews.

If you get sixteen interview as an example and they would mos t likely occur mid-October until theend of January and during that period of time you would have 3 and 1/2 four week elective rotations it is best to schedule the interview so each rotation has 4 interviews. Of course if you have to go cross country and take several days off for each interview it could beome irratating to the preceptors. Is there a written policy that ROSS has on the amount of time that can be taken off for interviews during a 4 week rotation? ALso if a majority or minority of students actually send apps for spots all over the country?

[rokshana]

If you get sixteen interview as an example and they would mos t likely occur mid-October until theend of January and during that period of time you would have 3 and 1/2 four week elective rotations it is best to schedule the interview so each rotation has 4 interviews. Of course if you have to go cross country and take several days off for each interview it could beome irratating to the preceptors. Is there a written policy that ROSS has on the amount of time that can be taken off for interviews during a 4 week rotation? ALso if a majority or minority of students actually send apps for spots all over the country?

you would have to take at least 2 days off per interview if you are traveling and I would think 8 days off per 4 week rotation (i mean missing 8 out of 20 days would be deemed excessive) would not sit well. Better to schedule time off and do the interviews then.

[singer]

you would have to take at least 2 days off per interview if you are traveling and I would think 8 days off per 4 week rotation (i mean missing 8 out of 20 days would be deemed excessive) would not sit well. Better to schedule time off and do the interviews then.

If you have your elective in New York and are going for intereviews in the New York area the most you need for an interview is one day.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

If you have your elective in New York and are going for intereviews in the New York area the most you need for an interview is one day.

I think that's the greatest advantage of being in NY.

You only miss a day....for an interview...and it is really easy to get to the hospitals around here.

[rokshana]

If you have your elective in New York and are going for intereviews in the New York area the most you need for an interview is one day.

that's of course if you WANT to stay in New York. *shutter*

[bevo]

thats for any interview that you get that is close by. So far I have only setup 1 such situation for an interview in detroit when I move there.

Still waiting/hoping to hear some good news out of programs in the chicago and Texas area.

[Dru]

The other thing to keep in mind for planning is.... most of the places expect to take you to dinner the evening before the interview the next day. My kid has needed to plan at least one overnight in each place due to this factor, so add on your hotel fee for each interview to that $5.5K.

[singer]

The other thing to keep in mind for planning is.... most of the places expect to take you to dinner the evening before the interview the next day. My kid has needed to plan at least one overnight in each place due to this factor, so add on your hotel fee for each interview to that $5.5K.

Not sure how common this is but the Hospital gave my son a hotel where he should stay and they are footing the bill. Sincemost of his interviews are within an hour of where he lives there is no hotel cost. Maybe its a New York thing or just the hospitals in the City but none have a dinner the night before at the hospital. Is this common or not?

[rokshana]

Not sure how common this is but the Hospital gave my son a hotel where he should stay and they are footing the bill. Sincemost of his interviews are within an hour of where he lives there is no hotel cost. Maybe its a New York thing or just the hospitals in the City but none have a dinner the night before at the hospital. Is this common or not?

depends on the program and the speciality- but many programs will schedule a dinner the night before so the prospectives have a chance to talk to the residents about the program (residents, like med students, rarely miss an opportunity for free food, especially if its in a nice restaurant!). It also gives them a feel if you will get along with them and they with you- after all these are the people you will spend most of the next 3,4,5, years with professionally and socially.

[Linus]

everyone of the places i have received interviews from, provides one night of lodging at a hotel...i think a lot of places do this

[Shah_Patel_PT]

I have recently noticed a decline in the rate of interview invites this past week. Anyone else with similar circumstances???

Hopefully a new wave of interview invites will start from Wednesday November 1st!!!!;)

[zedpol]

yeah, should pick up that first week of november.

Z

[bevo]

The other thing to keep in mind for planning is.... most of the places expect to take you to dinner the evening before the interview the next day. My kid has needed to plan at least one overnight in each place due to this factor, so add on your hotel fee for each interview to that $5.5K.

A few things not specificall with this post
A) Of the 5? interviews I have lined up none are taking me out to dinner the night before. All include lunch during the date of the interview. Nothing before.

B) Only 1 place is providing me with lodging. More common (for me) is that they recommend a local hotel and give you a discounted rate.

[zedpol]

None of my west coast or east coast programs, except for 1 or 2 are picking up the hotel costs. All of the programs in the midwest that I applied to are picking up hotel costs, some also are paying for shuttles and such while I am there.

Z

[Shah_Patel_PT]

None of my west coast or east coast programs, except for 1 or 2 are picking up the hotel costs. All of the programs in the midwest that I applied to are picking up hotel costs, some also are paying for shuttles and such while I am there.

Z


I have midwest programs that are picking up hotel costs as well. One in south east as well...

But most of the programs I am paying for hotel (discounted price) costs.

[TheeeGod]

None of my west coast or east coast programs, except for 1 or 2 are picking up the hotel costs. All of the programs in the midwest that I applied to are picking up hotel costs, some also are paying for shuttles and such while I am there.

Z

What are you applying for again?

[Shah_Patel_PT]

What are you applying for again?

I believe it is Uro...with something as a back up.....?? Am i correct Z???

[backtocali]

Zedpol is going for PEDS!

[TheeeGod]

Zedpol is going for PEDS!

I'll take peds at CHOP :D

[zedpol]

I was going to do urology but ended up switching to peds because urology didn't have enough medicine for me and I'm happier around the peds crowd (patients, doctors and ancillary staff). I'll probably end up specializing in cardio or ID, leaning toward cardio.

I interview at CHOP next week, I'm a little nervous though.

Z

[singer]

I'll take peds at CHOP :D

Remember Zedpol is a Drexel US MEdical Student even though he started in the Carib. May be a little easier for him to get a good rotation.

Just curios what hospital is CHOP?

[bevo]

I believe its Childrens Hospital of Pennsylvania? I believe its the #1 ranked Peds hospital in the US.

[Dru]

Back in the day...it used to be Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.

[Linus]

Back in the day...it used to be Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.
it still is philadelphia

[singer]

Today is the magic day I beleive. Right after Halloween ERAS sends out the Deans letter to all the places you applied for residencies. If there is truth to the rumer that some of the hospitals wait until they get the letter then this week and next wshould be an active time for either getting additional intervies or rejection letter.

GOO LUCK TO ALL

[bevo]

its been magically delicious with "we're sorry but we have not chosen you for an interview" or "unfortunatly we no longer have interview spots available, but things change in the future we might re-consider your application once again"

[popozao]

I prefer "We're sorry you suck. Did you really think you had a chance?"

[TheeeGod]

its been magically delicious with "we're sorry but we have not chosen you for an interview" or "unfortunatly we no longer have interview spots available, but things change in the future we might re-consider your application once again"

Keep ya head up! You have two so far right?

[bevo]

this was an interesting rejection for a prelim program...

" After reviewing your application the program director has chosen not to call you for interview. The program director does not share his reasons as to why he has chosen not to call you for interview therefore, I have no additional information to share with you.
Thank you for your interest in our program. Best of luck to you."

Yeah 2 interviews. 1 done in rads and prelim (maybe TY? applied to both at same program).
Off to Phoenix tommorow, next week is a TY interview in a place 2 hours away from nowhere in PA.

[ERMD5]

I prefer "We're sorry you suck. Did you really think you had a chance?"

lol......yah I'd definately prefer that. By the way same here.....More sweet rejections.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

Today is the magic day I beleive. Right after Halloween ERAS sends out the Deans letter to all the places you applied for residencies. If there is truth to the rumer that some of the hospitals wait until they get the letter then this week and next wshould be an active time for either getting additional intervies or rejection letter.

GOO LUCK TO ALL

I think the next 10 business days are our best bet to get the remaining interviews for the season. (Keep your fingers crossed!)

Most programs have already selected who they want in 25% of their entering class (interns), mainly US grads. (besides the odd prematch given out to the FMG)

I heard that in December...programs usually only send out the rest of the rejections and some programs will not even respond (worst case).

Any other news from anyone...????

[rokshana]

I think the next 10 business days are our best bet to get the remaining interviews for the season. (Keep your fingers crossed!)

Most programs have already selected who they want in 25% of their entering class (interns), mainly US grads. (besides the odd prematch given out to the FMG)

I heard that in December...programs usually only send out the rest of the rejections and some programs will not even respond (worst case).

Any other news from anyone...????

call the pd later in the season- many times people will cancel interviews that were set up earlier and an opening can appear. The fact that you were motivated enough to call sometimes will get you an interview later in the interview cycle.

[singer]

this was an interesting rejection for a prelim program...

" After reviewing your application the program director has chosen not to call you for interview. The program director does not share his reasons as to why he has chosen not to call you for interview therefore, I have no additional information to share with you.
Thank you for your interest in our program. Best of luck to you."

Yeah 2 interviews. 1 done in rads and prelim (maybe TY? applied to both at same program).
Off to Phoenix tommorow, next week is a TY interview in a place 2 hours away from nowhere in PA.

If you are set on doing your residency in Rads then lol. Since it is a competitive field and you only have one interview you may want to rethink your goal in life and get some apps into less copmptitive fields like FP. Of cousre not knoiwng who the people are on valuemd and not noing ones GPA, USMLE grades etc it becomes difficult to truly give advice. I can only state my son who is AVERAGE has 13 interviews in less competive fiedls the RADS.

Of course this is only a suggestion from a parent. Not sure if you wind up in the scrambe how many RADS positions are unfilled during the match

Good luck in your interviews

[zedpol]

Singer, your last post wins top awards for being the most inconsiderate post of the thread. You're right, you don't know peoples GPAs, USMLE scores, etc. So why would you say?


If you are set on doing your residency in Rads then lol. Since it is a competitive field and you only have one interview you may want to rethink your goal in life and get some apps into less copmptitive fields like FP


Do you understand that competitive programs generally hold off sending invites to FMGs until the dean's letter is in? Do you also understand that anyone who is applying to competitive programs has already heard a bunch of crap from people who keep telling them their chances? How about that these people know they need a backup plan, and yes...they already have a back up plan of some sort.

To be perfectly honest you keep making slightly off base comments on a topic that you are only passingly familiar with. I find many of your posts misleading, unhelpful and/or ignorant. Normally I just sit here and shake my head when you pass on more misinformation but I gotta be honest. Your last post was rude and made me mad.

Z

[backtocali]

I concur with Zedpol... as for me, I now have 2 more interviews (ER) since my MSPE (Dean's Letter) was released yesterday to programs... stay positive and hopefully you'll hear good news in the upcoming weeks!

[rokshana]

Singer, your last post wins top awards for being the most inconsiderate post of the thread. You're right, you don't know peoples GPAs, USMLE scores, etc. So why would you say?



Do you understand that competitive programs generally hold off sending invites to FMGs until the dean's letter is in? Do you also understand that anyone who is applying to competitive programs has already heard a bunch of crap from people who keep telling them their chances? How about that these people know they need a backup plan, and yes...they already have a back up plan of some sort.

To be perfectly honest you keep making slightly off base comments on a topic that you are only passingly familiar with. I find many of your posts misleading, unhelpful and/or ignorant. Normally I just sit here and shake my head when you pass on more misinformation but I gotta be honest. Your last post was rude and made me mad.

Z

i was going to respond in kind- but Z said everything - so the only thing I have left to say is enough already with the son and 13 interviews (though amazingly you have not mentioned your oh so favorite US med school son, so maybe you have learned something).

And you know, while it is nice to have a plethora of interviews - you only need one to rank you high - so GL bevo and all of those who are following their interests - if you don't even try- you know the answer will be no.

plus, here you go...~80% of radiology spots were filled by US grads- so that means 20% were filled by IMGs- check out slide 16
http://www.apdr.org/directors/pdffiles/2006match.pdf

[Shah_Patel_PT]

I concur with Zedpol... as for me, I now have 2 more interviews (ER) since my MSPE (Dean's Letter) was released yesterday to programs... stay positive and hopefully you'll hear good news in the upcoming weeks!

congrats on the 2 new IVs....I got an ivy league rejection after the MSPE release...:(

[microphage]

If you are set on doing your residency in Rads then lol. Since it is a competitive field and you only have one interview you may want to rethink your goal in life and get some apps into less copmptitive fields like FP. Of cousre not knoiwng who the people are on valuemd and not noing ones GPA, USMLE grades etc it becomes difficult to truly give advice. I can only state my son who is AVERAGE has 13 interviews in less competive fiedls the RADS.

Of course this is only a suggestion from a parent. Not sure if you wind up in the scrambe how many RADS positions are unfilled during the match

Good luck in your interviews

totally uncool...

Do you still have a bumper sticker that reads "My son is a honor student at _____ Elementary School" too?

[rokshana]

If you are set on doing your residency in Rads then lol. Since it is a competitive field and you only have one interview you may want to rethink your goal in life and get some apps into less copmptitive fields like FP. Of cousre not knoiwng who the people are on valuemd and not noing ones GPA, USMLE grades etc it becomes difficult to truly give advice. I can only state my son who is AVERAGE has 13 interviews in less competive fiedls the RADS.

Of course this is only a suggestion from a parent. Not sure if you wind up in the scrambe how many RADS positions are unfilled during the match

Good luck in your interviews

I'm sure your son is soooooo proud....

[Shah_Patel_PT]

this was an interesting rejection for a prelim program...

" After reviewing your application the program director has chosen not to call you for interview. The program director does not share his reasons as to why he has chosen not to call you for interview therefore, I have no additional information to share with you.
Thank you for your interest in our program. Best of luck to you."

Yeah 2 interviews. 1 done in rads and prelim (maybe TY? applied to both at same program).
Off to Phoenix tommorow, next week is a TY interview in a place 2 hours away from nowhere in PA.


Try your best man......you will succeed!!! Don't let pessimism put you down.

If you have a dream...then try your best to pursue it....!

[miasma]

yeah, definitely have a goal. don't let anyone tell you that something is not possible. set your mind to that one goal, and go for it with everything you've got. have backup options for sure, but have confidence and you will succeed.

[Junito]

this was an interesting rejection for a prelim program...

" After reviewing your application the program director has chosen not to call you for interview. The program director does not share his reasons as to why he has chosen not to call you for interview therefore, I have no additional information to share with you.
Thank you for your interest in our program. Best of luck to you."

Yeah 2 interviews. 1 done in rads and prelim (maybe TY? applied to both at same program).
Off to Phoenix tommorow, next week is a TY interview in a place 2 hours away from nowhere in PA.

Usually when someone tells me that I can't do something it motivates me more to prove them wrong. Keep on working hard. Don't let anyone/anything discourage you from achieving your goals. Good luck.

[bkpride]

If you are set on doing your residency in Rads then lol. Since it is a competitive field and you only have one interview you may want to rethink your goal in life and get some apps into less copmptitive fields like FP. Of cousre not knoiwng who the people are on valuemd and not noing ones GPA, USMLE grades etc it becomes difficult to truly give advice. I can only state my son who is AVERAGE has 13 interviews in less competive fiedls the RADS.

Of course this is only a suggestion from a parent. Not sure if you wind up in the scrambe how many RADS positions are unfilled during the match

Good luck in your interviews
Dude, why dont you get a life already.What is your problem insulting not just this guy but every single one of us that wants to see this man and everyone else make it.HE lived on that island.HE took the steps.HE busted his butt jumpin thru all the hoops WE had to.You are one pathetic person livin thru this board and tappin anyone that is doin this junk.Listen-I think I can say for just about everyone that we are so sick and tired of hearin how allah-like yo kid is.SO tired of it.Do us all a favor and take up another hobby on yo computer,like chattin with people that give a crud about yo 2 cent.

LEAVE THIS GUY ALONE.You know how much guts it takes him an the others to be open about this?Any clue?

Dont open no can of worms you cant close,man.

Dats MY 2 cent.

And all of you who aint hearin from yo programs-hang tight yo.Lots of us are keepin our fingers crossed fo yall.

Peace.

[DrVinsk]

Sorry,

Had to jump on this one. I too have become quite annoyed at Kathy Lee Gifford always yappin' about Cody! Sorry Singer, I hope you get the picture. I'm not quite sure how you feel you have any business offering the advice you do. You have not done any of this and simply having the input of your son doesn't qualify you in the least bit. People with dismal GPA's and MCATS have become doctors, average students have become radiologists, stellar students have been dissed.....it's just a part of life and the only thing certain is uncertainty. Often times it comes down to a matter of integrity or character and not just grades or FMG status. I'm sure you'll come up with some humble statement and if so, please don't mention your son.

[TheeeGod]

No news lately?

[zoe5]

Husband has 1 Radiology interview and 2 prelim surgery interviews (one at Mayo). The Rad interview is soon and in our hometown. He has about 9 rejections so far (applied to 47 Rad programs). Scored a 260 on Step I. Anyway, it just takes one program. I'm staying optimistic...I have been during this whole Ross journey...it hasn't been easy. I refuse to have regrets though and we will make the best of it. It's easy to sit here and think "if only he'd tried to get into a U.S. school one more time, etc" but I don't want to be that person. I think I am a better person for the experiences we've had and I'm glad my kids got a chance to live outside the U.S.

Good luck to everyone. Personally, I do think it's fair that U.S. students get preference...even though it's painful to get the rejections.

[RossMD2006]

Hey everyone-

I haven't been receiving anymore invites in the past week or so..only a few rejections. So, does that mean that this is all the invites I will be receiving? BTW, I am applying to categorical IM. How is everyone faring in this post-dean's letter era? I just got an invite from one program and all the other responses have been rejections.

Thanks and good luck to all.

[popozao]

this was an interesting rejection for a prelim program...

" After reviewing your application the program director has chosen not to call you for interview. The program director does not share his reasons as to why he has chosen not to call you for interview therefore, I have no additional information to share with you. "

in other words...
the program director does not share his reasons.......... but everyone in the hospital knows he doesn't like FMG's, especially caribbean students. :D

[Shah_Patel_PT]

More rejections....and I was hoping for more interviews after the MSPE release.

Today's rejection...

Emory's residency program is both rigorous and competitive. Each year we receive more than 2900 applications, interview 400 candidates, and offer approximately 50 three year positions and 20 one year positions. We are only able to offer approximately 15% of our applicants interviews.

Again, thank you for your application. Your interest in our program is appreciated.

[ERMD5]

More rejections....and I was hoping for more interviews after the MSPE release.

Today's rejection...

Emory's residency program is both rigorous and competitive. Each year we receive more than 2900 applications, interview 400 candidates, and offer approximately 50 three year positions and 20 one year positions. We are only able to offer approximately 15% of our applicants interviews.

Again, thank you for your application. Your interest in our program is appreciated.
I got the same rejection from Emory.
BTW Igot one IM interview offer on Nov 1 and one more after that. Istill haven't heard from about half the IM programs I applied to. Good luck to everyone else.

[RossMD2006]

Hey ERMD-

How many invites have you received so far for IM? Looks like invites are rolling in for you slowly but surely.

Good luck bro.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

I got the same rejection from Emory.
BTW Igot one IM interview offer on Nov 1 and one more after that. Istill haven't heard from about half the IM programs I applied to. Good luck to everyone else.

Same here...2 IM invites within the last 7 days.

[Linus]

i still have about 15 left to hear from...but i have heard from 4 since nov 1st

[awdc]

This is mostly to all the EM hopefuls in 3rd year or on the island. Just want to let you all know there is hope in getting EM interviews. As of yesterday, I have 10 EM interviews (and 5 rejections) and I am still waiting to hear from 43 others. Of course, the real result will have to wait until Match Day.

[ERMD5]

This is mostly to all the EM hopefuls in 3rd year or on the island. Just want to let you all know there is hope in getting EM interviews. As of yesterday, I have 10 EM interviews (and 5 rejections) and I am still waiting to hear from 43 others. Of course, the real result will have to wait until Match Day.
Wow thats awesome..... I haven't heard from any EM programs I applied to except for 2 rejections:(

[ERMD5]

Hey ERMD-

How many invites have you received so far for IM? Looks like invites are rolling in for you slowly but surely.

Good luck bro.

Not many.....Those are the only 2 so far.....Keeping my fingers crossed

[bevo]

Since last post
1 prelim invite (3 total + 1 T-Y)
1 rads invite (3 total)

PS. - for all the above posts, thanks for the words of encouragement. Hope we all get what we want come March (or sooner for some lucky folks!).

[ERMD5]

Got one more invite for IM today....but it was worded really weired. Something like:
"If you haven't done so and you would like to interview at______, Please email me to set up your interview"

dont' u think that is an unusuall invite...hmmm....but I'm happy atleast one more invite.

[TheeeGod]

Someone going for path has 15+ interviews at decent university places.

[singer]

Someone going for path has 15+ interviews at decent university places.

Must have applied to every program and aced the USMLE's

[RossMD2006]

Singer-

You don't have to apply to every program and ace the USMLEs in order to match into pathology.

[germany]

Must have applied to every program and aced the USMLE's

More encouraging words from our armchair med student. :rolleyes:

I think the verdict is in, singer -- your pessimism is unwarranted and unwanted here. Take it elsewhere.

Good luck, all! And thanks for sharing your experiences through this year's interview/match. It's really appreciated by those of us who will going through the same in a few years!

[rokshana]

Singer-

You don't have to apply to every program and ace the USMLEs in order to match into pathology.

ugh- thought he had stopped commenting on that which he knows nothing about *sigh* must have just been on vacation.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

Someone going for path has 15+ interviews at decent university places.

I know her! :) She did VERY well on both step 1 and 2, and did "away" electives at a few Ivy League hospitals. Although, she did not apply to a lot of programs.

[rokshana]

I know her! :) She did VERY well on both step 1 and 2, and did "away" electives at a few Ivy League hospitals. Although, she did not apply to a lot of programs.

i think he was referring to anacephalic over on the AUC forum- one of the threads has a running tally of the interviews they are getting- but its nice to know there are at least 2 caribbean students with a plethora of interviews!

[Shah_Patel_PT]

i think he was referring to anacephalic over on the AUC forum- one of the threads has a running tally of the interviews they are getting- but its nice to know there are at least 2 caribbean students with a plethora of interviews!

I see. Thanks for filling me in. The girl I was referring to...is a Ross student.

[TheeeGod]

A little word on prelim surg. at Mayo - they take a plethora of prelim surg residents and most of them never move onto categoricals. BUT, other surg PDs know this and they often just call up Mayo and ask for a prelim resident who then they can take and make him/her a categorical resident. Crappy place to live but a fame name program nonetheless.

[bkpride]

Must have applied to every program and aced the USMLE's
man,whats yo problem?Why dont you just do us all a favor and crawl back under that rock you keeps stickin yo haid out from?Dont you get it?You overstayed yo welcome in a big way by insulting a few people who is just tryin to give each other a few encouragin words.If you want to get on yo soapbox,just call that harvard grad-or was it ross grad-kid of yours and tell him how better he is than everyone else.In the meantime leave everyone here alone.Go get some counselin or somthin.Talk to yo lady to loosen you up.Mabey an enema.Just go away.

[singer]

man,whats yo problem?Why dont you just do us all a favor and crawl back under that rock you keeps stickin yo haid out from?Dont you get it?You overstayed yo welcome in a big way by insulting a few people who is just tryin to give each other a few encouragin words.If you want to get on yo soapbox,just call that harvard grad-or was it ross grad-kid of yours and tell him how better he is than everyone else.In the meantime leave everyone here alone.Go get some counselin or somthin.Talk to yo lady to loosen you up.Mabey an enema.Just go away.

Not sure if you are a Ross student in a Psyc rotation or actually one of the Psyc patients impersonating a Ross student.

First If you are rally BLACK then you are not doing the RACE a faveor by the way you make it sound like you are some low level junior high flunkie. If you aren't BLACK then you are really insulting the Black people by mocking them.

Second I have never bragged about my son at Ross. I just state the facts. He is just an average student who works hard to acheive average grades and USMLE scores, not the kind that others brag about. I guess what I try to state is that other AVERAGE students can suceed at ROSS.

[zoe5]

A little word on prelim surg. at Mayo - they take a plethora of prelim surg residents and most of them never move onto categoricals. BUT, other surg PDs know this and they often just call up Mayo and ask for a prelim resident who then they can take and make him/her a categorical resident. Crappy place to live but a fame name program nonetheless.

If this was for me...husband doesn't want a cat. spot...just doesn't want to do prelim medicine and is going for Radiology.

[rokshana]

Not sure if you are a Ross student in a Psyc rotation or actually one of the Psyc patients impersonating a Ross student.

First If you are rally BLACK then you are not doing the RACE a faveor by the way you make it sound like you are some low level junior high flunkie. If you aren't BLACK then you are really insulting the Black people by mocking them.

Second I have never bragged about my son at Ross. I just state the facts. He is just an average student who works hard to acheive average grades and USMLE scores, not the kind that others brag about. I guess what I try to state is that other AVERAGE students can suceed at ROSS.

still doesn't make what he's untrue.

pity you are one of the "others" that don't brag about him...

[johnny k]

Singer, I read this post most of the time, and i kind of see where other students are coming from, you can be rude sometimes. speaking about been black, I think You cross the line. The student never played the race card, but you assumed he is black because you saw a man with Afro hair. I think it is time for you to stop telling us about your son this, your son that. It is annoying. when you say those discouraging stuffs, you are hurting people's feelings. why dont you stop. my dad told me long time ago, "if you dont have anything good to say, just shutup.":evil:

[Linus]

i think this post has lost its focus...any new interview news?

[Dru]

PLEASE stay on topic. It is against the Terms of Service to be rude, make racial or ethnic slurs, and/or attack individual users. I request those involved to edit their posts or be subject to warnings/infractions.

[veetz]

Error Error

[Shah_Patel_PT]

PLEASE stay on topic. It is against the Terms of Service (http://www.valuemd.com/disclaimer.php) to be rude, make racial or ethnic slurs, and/or attack individual users. I request those involved to edit their posts or be subject to warnings/infractions.

Anyone have any interview updates???? My invites have pretty much dried out after the MSPE release. Anyone else in the same boat??

[TheeeGod]

Did anyone apply via SFMatch?

[ERMD5]

Yah I feel liek I'm going thru a dry spell to. Anyone knows what they say about how many interviews should u have in order to be guaranteed a match??? or atleast have a 90% chance of matching?

[miasma]

i've heard/seen that approx. 10 interviews guarantees a match...pretty much.

[ERMD5]

i've heard/seen that approx. 10 interviews guarantees a match...pretty much.


So those interviews have to be in the same specialty or random. Lets say someone applied to IM and FM. What would be the chances of matchign if that person has a total of 10 interviews?

[Shah_Patel_PT]

So those interviews have to be in the same specialty or random. Lets say someone applied to IM and FM. What would be the chances of matchign if that person has a total of 10 interviews?

10 interviews= 90% match chance 15 interviews=95% match chance

IM/FP can be interchanged as long as the programs are of the same caliber. And remember....some of these programs offer prematches and they withdraw from the programs in late January or early February, so those programs are ones you CANNOT rank...so dont rely on them.

I have already had to withdraw from a couple of programs because they were trying to force a prematch. Watch out!!!...and be wary of these programs....

[singer]

It seems like a "DRY" period the las tcouple of weeks for hearing positively or negativly from and programs. Does this mean that the prgrams that haven't responded just don't reply at al to applicants that are rejected or are they waiting to see who accepts interviews beforethey ask other applicants or are they waiting until the dealine for apllications which could be the end of December to issuue the balance of the interview requests.

The whole process seems confusing.

[Junito]

Was it the IM/FP programs that tried to force a prematch? Have you applied to preliminary positions? I'm contemplating taking a preliminary residency in IM to eventually try to match into a specific program that requires a prelim for the following year. Any advice?

10 interviews= 90% match chance 15 interviews=95% match chance

IM/FP can be interchanged as long as the programs are of the same caliber. And remember....some of these programs offer prematches and they withdraw from the programs in late January or early February, so those programs are ones you CANNOT rank...so dont rely on them.

I have already had to withdraw from a couple of programs because they were trying to force a prematch. Watch out!!!...and be wary of these programs....

[FRNC]

Junito;

Just curious, pls don't take offense.

1. Any regrets from transferring out of Ross to SMU ??

2. Has the transfer been brought up in any residency interviews as an issue ?

[singer]

10 interviews= 90% match chance 15 interviews=95% match chance

IM/FP can be interchanged as long as the programs are of the same caliber. And remember....some of these programs offer prematches and they withdraw from the programs in late January or early February, so those programs are ones you CANNOT rank...so dont rely on them.

I have already had to withdraw from a couple of programs because they were trying to force a prematch. Watch out!!!...and be wary of these programs....

it doesnt seem that you have posted how many interviews you have?

[ERMD5]

I have a total of 6 interviews.....3 in Fm and 3 in IM. NONE in EM.
I really wanted EM since I haven't gotten any interview offers I'm begining to think its not gonna happen for me.
I dont' know if I should go ahead and apply to a few more programs at this time or no......any suggestions??

[bevo]

things been quiet here as well

as for applying to more, maybe call up a few places and ask if they are still accepting applications and if they have any interview spots. I put out a few more prelim apps and were rejected immediatly for that reason. They had more than enough applications and all spots were already filled.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

Was it the IM/FP programs that tried to force a prematch? Have you applied to preliminary positions? I'm contemplating taking a preliminary residency in IM to eventually try to match into a specific program that requires a prelim for the following year. Any advice?

Aggressive prematch offers were received from IM categorical programs. I have not applied to any FP programs.

I advise against taking a prelim spot for the following reason:

For you to get a PGY2 spot the following 2 scenarios must occur.

1) A PGY2 spot is available in a program because someone failed/withdrew/other reasons and did not ascend to PGY2.

AND

2) THe place were you did prelim year...you must have stong support from the PD to recommend you to a better program.

The probability of both the above 2 events occuring at the same time is much less than you just matching into a categorical program. I base a lot of decisions based on statistics and probability. That's the whole "match" game we all have to play.

I hope that answered your Q....

[rokshana]

it doesnt seem that you have posted how many interviews you have?

what does that have anything to do with anything?

Shah must have enough interviews to even consider withdrawing from some- so i would think at least 10-15 (since those are the numbers he suggested gave a 90-95% chance of matching.

[Junito]

I don't have any regrets transfering out of Ross. One thing that was getting to me was that SMU did not have any ACGME OB/GYN sites in NYC (which has recently changed).

In the end I have had more opportunities open for me that balanced things out. So I don't have real issues with my transfer to SMU. I haven't applied for the 2007 match, but will be applying for 2008. Will let you know then if this was brought up duing my interview. I am already prepared to give an explanation about my transfer. No offense was taken.



Junito;

Just curious, pls don't take offense.

1. Any regrets from transferring out of Ross to SMU ??

2. Has the transfer been brought up in any residency interviews as an issue ?

[Junito]

Aggressive prematch offers were received from IM categorical programs. I have not applied to any FP programs.

I advise against taking a prelim spot for the following reason:

For you to get a PGY2 spot the following 2 scenarios must occur.

1) A PGY2 spot is available in a program because someone failed/withdrew/other reasons and did not ascend to PGY2.

AND

2) THe place were you did prelim year...you must have stong support from the PD to recommend you to a better program.

The probability of both the above 2 events occuring at the same time is much less than you just matching into a categorical program. I base a lot of decisions based on statistics and probability. That's the whole "match" game we all have to play.

I hope that answered your Q....

Yes it did. Thank you very much.

[DrVinsk]

Junito;

Just curious, pls don't take offense.

1. Any regrets from transferring out of Ross to SMU ??

2. Has the transfer been brought up in any residency interviews as an issue ?

Hilarious! I love the 'Parent Troll' signature. If I used the word 'troll' Dru would slap me with and infraction. Must be nice.

[doc2doc2]

10 interviews= 90% match chance 15 interviews=95% match chance

IM/FP can be interchanged as long as the programs are of the same caliber. And remember....some of these programs offer prematches and they withdraw from the programs in late January or early February, so those programs are ones you CANNOT rank...so dont rely on them.

I have already had to withdraw from a couple of programs because they were trying to force a prematch. Watch out!!!...and be wary of these programs....

Shah, I thought pre-match is good thing. Please elaborate.
So I need to get 20 interviews to get 100% match chance = guarantees a match?

[Biobabe]

Usually less desirable program push prematching from my understanding, so unless you really like the program probably best to stay away from prematching.
Oh, and remember there are no guarantees with the match but the more interviews the better the chance of matching.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

Shah, I thought pre-match is good thing. Please elaborate.
So I need to get 20 interviews to get 100% match chance = guarantees a match?

First let me tell you...there is no such thing as 100% match chance for IMGs.

Prematch is good if you are reluctant to relocate and would like to stay in the same geographic area.

If you have further future ambitions/goals set to improve and move on to fellowships/better job offers/research/academics...the programs that usually prematch are NOT likely to get you there.

Unless you are certain that you will not be a competitive applicant (failed USMLE multiple times/VISA issues/problems with the law/not from top 3 carib schools) for the match, I highly advice against taking any prematch offers.

[doc2doc2]

Now I understand about pre-match. Thanks for the answers.

[singer]

First let me tell you...there is no such thing as 100% match chance for IMGs.

Prematch is good if you are reluctant to relocate and would like to stay in the same geographic area.

If you have further future ambitions/goals set to improve and move on to fellowships/better job offers/research/academics...the programs that usually prematch are NOT likely to get you there.

Unless you are certain that you will not be a competitive applicant (failed USMLE multiple times/VISA issues/problems with the law/not from top 3 carib schools) for the match, I highly advice against taking any prematch offers.

There are some hospitals that only give pre-match and don't particpate in the match. There are others that particpate in the match but also offer pre-match. Many of the hospitals offeing pre-match don't have fellowships at the hospital but tmany are affiliated with University hospitals which could help in getting a fellowship. I assume it would be easier doing residency at a University Hospital if you are interested in fellowshios since you would have a head start on meeting the various people in charge of the fellowships. Of course if you don't match your top Unioversity choices there is a good chance you will still get a match at the hospital that offers you the pre-match, if they participate in the match.

[ERMD5]

Are ppl still getting interview offers at this time? I hope I can still get a few more. U guys think there is any hope?

[Shah_Patel_PT]

Are ppl still getting interview offers at this time? I hope I can still get a few more. U guys think there is any hope?


Unfortunately the rate of getting rejections has increased. Even that has slowed down this past week.

On a positive note: Has anyone received "thank-you" letters from PDs after they interview...and if so...what programs???

[bevo]

I finally sent out my thank you notes and got an immediate response from one PD where I had done a rotation at.

[singer]

I finally sent out my thank you notes and got an immediate response from one PD where I had done a rotation at.

What type of response do you get from the PD's. Do they indicate you are a strong candidate and will be ranked high or do they just say very little?