US Licensure

[USIMG2011]

Is Saba approved for licensure in all 50 US States?

[wcb22]

read through the state licensure forum, you'll get info there, but simply put, NO. texas is giving IMGs issues right now.

[rdecastro]

Saba grads are licensed in Texas - the licensure isn't 'automatic'. There are also Saba grads in most other states (not all, perhaps because nobody has asked?)

The only state that a Saba grad positively can't get licensed in right now is Kansas: They require a school to be in operation for 15 years.

Saba will meet that qualification next year.

[wolfvgang22]

Saba grads are licensed in Texas - the licensure isn't 'automatic'. There are also Saba grads in most other states (not all, perhaps because nobody has asked?)

The only state that a Saba grad positively can't get licensed in right now is Kansas: They require a school to be in operation for 15 years.

Saba will meet that qualification next year.
The dean of clinical sciences told us last semester that Saba had just been approved for licensure of Saba students by Kansas. You can email her if you have questions about that, her email is on the school website. I myself have not looked at the Kansas website yet or emailed them to check.

Texas is tough on nearly all IMGs for mostly political reasons, which is ironic given that half of the people on the Texas State Medical Board of Examiners are themselves IMGs from wayback when. But I suppose that they probably answer to some people above them...but I digress.

Regarding Texas:
1.) Texas requires that you do a family practice rotation - no problem here, so does Saba University.
2.) Previous poster was correct, Saba is not banned by Texas, but we are licensed or denied on a case by case basis. I know of one person from Saba who is now licensed in Texas.
3.) Texas requires IMGs to perform all greenbook rotations; that is rotations may be done only at hospitals found in the ACGME (Accreditation Council of Graduate Medical Education (http://www.acgme.org)) directory of accredited teaching hospitals. The hospitals listed therein have a fellowship, not just a residency, in some field of medicine, such as surgery. Most state licensure boards, like Texas, have figured out that if medical students are required to do clinical rotations at ACGME accredited hospitals medical students will be doing rotations at "a real teaching hospital" instead at "Uncle Joes Backwoods Clinic and BBQ Joint".

Be aware that the so called "bluebook" clincal rotations are not good enough for Texas (or Virginia) licensure, though they are fine for most states (like Oklahoma, Tennesee, and many others). Many students are confused because most people refer to "blue book" and "green book" both as "green book". Some state medical boards even use the term "greenbook" in conversation, when they really only want you to do "blue book" rotations.

So what is "blue book"? Unlike the greenbook, there is no actual physical blue book to my knowledge. Blue book refers to any rotation done at a hospital that has a family practice residency fellowship. Most states take the presence of such a training program as evidence that you actually performed a clinical in a real hospital, rather than getting a signature, a wink, and side of ribs from Uncle Joe without having to do any actual learning.

3.) If you want to practice in Texas, partner, you'd best do yerself a neurology rotation. Although Texas removed the language from it's licensure rules on the TSBME website requiring students to do a greenbook neuro rotation, they can change their minds and re-require it at any time. Many state medical boards in most states, like Texas, largely have legislative carte blanc to do almost whatever they want regarding rule making.

4.) Texas requires that you pass the step 1 within 3 attempts, within 7 years from the first time you took step 1. Pretty standard, really.

5.) And finally, and very very important: don't even try to do a clinical rotation in Texas as an IMG and expect to be licensed, unless you enrolled as a visiting medical student at the program you rotate at. Saba U. is aware of this requirement and won't let you do a Texas rotation unless you are enrolled as a visiting student.
If you do enroll as a visiting student, make sure that it's a greenbook rotation, even if it is in good ol' Texas. It is not likely that you can get approved to do core rotations in Texas, but you can probably get 4th year elective rotations.

Those are the biggees regarding Texas. As always, it is important to do your own research on matters by visiting the TSBME website, or the Kansas website, or whichever state you are interested in.
Ciao,
~W

p.s. - here (http://www.valuemd.com/clinical-rotations-forum/31649-what-greenbook-rotations.html) is another good thread about greenbook

[ddd]

"The only state that a Saba grad positively can't get licensed in right now is Kansas: They require a school to be in operation for 15 years.

Saba will meet that qualification next year."
This is correct.

[wolfvgang22]

"The only state that a Saba grad positively can't get licensed in right now is Kansas: They require a school to be in operation for 15 years.

Saba will meet that qualification next year."
This is correct.
Your statement contradicts what the dean of clinical sciences told us in class last semester - so anyone interested in Kansas should e-mail S****, Saba's dean of clinical sciences and find out directly about Kansas. I am. I'll let you know exactly what I find out.

[wolfvgang22]

Okay, I got an email back from the dean of clinical sciences. It was only this one line:
YES, any student who began at saba 1/1/02 and thereafter is eligible for licensure in kansas.
So, mystery solved!