Returning to US and practice medicine

[nysj83]

Hello. I've read some negative story about returning to US and practice medicine. (at least in CA) I'm from NY and not 100% sure that if that's the same case in NY. Can anyone give me some tips?
Thanks alot.

[radgirlbadgirl]

CA requires that your school be on their approved list

NY license is no problem. you just cannot do more than 12 weeks of rotations there if you are not on their list. you also cannot do residency there if you have more than 12 weeks of clinicals "outside the home country of your school". going there after residency for licensing is no problem if you have avoided all the above

['cuse]

Wait, could u plz explain in details when u say no more than 12 weeks of clinicals "outside the home country of your school"? I thought we were supposed to do the mandatory clinicals in Juarez for 16 wks.

[radgirlbadgirl]

i am not familiar with the rules of your school in particular but if your school is in mexico and you do rotations in mexico, then that is the home country of your school. whereever your school is registered i guess.

you can always get licensed in NY after residency....just follow NY's rules.

[wcb22]

the thing about NY is this... if you are not on their "list", you can only do up to 12 weeks of rotations in NY, if you do more, you're in big trouble. supposedly the packet of info requesting them to evaluate our school has been in the works for quite a while now, and it takes them a long time to approve the school. I don't know if this is true, it's just what i've heard.

And technically, you are not to do a residency there, but people do residencies in NY all the time from our school. Our Pharm teacher, Dr. S*, left to go to Kingsbrook Hospital, NY, Internal Medicine, on an off cycle match in January 2006. Lots pf people match in NY, because there are so many positions available, and they are typically IMG friendly.

[MissyMissy]

I have a question about Cahsu, I was told that we must do 1 semester of clincal in Jurez mexico, so does that jeporadize our chances of doing residency in the US?

[wcb22]

no it does not jeopardize your chances for residency, and licensure too one day. This is something to keep in mind... when you do rotations INSIDE the US, you should make sure they are what they call "green book" or in other words, listed in the ACGME catalog as a teaching hospital for whatever rotation you are doing. When you are outside the US, in England, or Mexico, they do not evaluate the rotation, because there is no authority to do so. There are some good Mexico rotations, and some not so good. If you speak spanish, more power to you. Doing some rotations in Mexico was a good chance for me to keep up on the spanish, because it needs brushing up. Some docs speak english just fine, some have a tuff time with it. But most importantly, 95% of the patients speak spanish, so you should also. Don't feel bad if you don't speak spanish, just realize that you won't get as much out of the rotation, and try to get to the US or UK as soon as you can. My last rotation in Mexico I was on call 2 days/week, and worked pretty hard at it (OBGYN), did 400+ colposcopies, assisted in surgery, etc. Some are not this way. The US rotations are better structured, and you will get more out of them, so do as much in the US as you can.

The UK rotations are very good, but they are also expensive. If $$$ is of no concern for you, go to the UK or US. The US considers these UK rotations just as good as US rotations, and you don't have to worry about them being green book or not, it doesn't matter.

[CoolGuy]

CA requires that your school be on their approved list

NY license is no problem. you just cannot do more than 12 weeks of rotations there if you are not on their list. you also cannot do residency there if you have more than 12 weeks of clinicals "outside the home country of your school". going there after residency for licensing is no problem if you have avoided all the above
So if CAHSU requires 16 weeks of mandatory rotations in Juarez, that means we can't do Residency in NY?

Also, what are the "green book" hospitals in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut? After the 12 weeks in NY, maybe I can goto one of these other places. I heard there's a hospital in Connectictu where you can do ALL of your rotations.

[wcb22]

i don't know where you got that impression. people do residencies in NY all the time from our school.

[urgentcase]

Hey, I'm considering this school. So for the clinicals you MUST do a rotation in Mexico? So that means that you can't complete the whole 3rd and 4th years in US?


no it does not jeopardize your chances for residency, and licensure too one day. This is something to keep in mind... when you do rotations INSIDE the US, you should make sure they are what they call "green book" or in other words, listed in the ACGME catalog as a teaching hospital for whatever rotation you are doing. When you are outside the US, in England, or Mexico, they do not evaluate the rotation, because there is no authority to do so. There are some good Mexico rotations, and some not so good. If you speak spanish, more power to you. Doing some rotations in Mexico was a good chance for me to keep up on the spanish, because it needs brushing up. Some docs speak english just fine, some have a tuff time with it. But most importantly, 95% of the patients speak spanish, so you should also. Don't feel bad if you don't speak spanish, just realize that you won't get as much out of the rotation, and try to get to the US or UK as soon as you can. My last rotation in Mexico I was on call 2 days/week, and worked pretty hard at it (OBGYN), did 400+ colposcopies, assisted in surgery, etc. Some are not this way. The US rotations are better structured, and you will get more out of them, so do as much in the US as you can.

The UK rotations are very good, but they are also expensive. If $$$ is of no concern for you, go to the UK or US. The US considers these UK rotations just as good as US rotations, and you don't have to worry about them being green book or not, it doesn't matter.

[urgentcase]

Hey, I am a bit comfused about this. Does this mean that if a school is not on ny approved list I can still get a residency and a permanent license in NY as long as I don't do more than 12 weeks of clinical rotations in NY? Can you show me where you are getting this from (your source). Thanks.

CA requires that your school be on their approved list

NY license is no problem. you just cannot do more than 12 weeks of rotations there if you are not on their list. you also cannot do residency there if you have more than 12 weeks of clinicals "outside the home country of your school". going there after residency for licensing is no problem if you have avoided all the above

[radgirlbadgirl]

sorry for the late reply! the impression i have is that if you go ahead and do residency in NY (you are not on the approved list)...then you have problem with licensure. i can research into this more deeply. But i emailed the lady in NY that deals with clinical "registration" and that is the impression she gave me

not on list....only 12 weeks of clinicals allowed
if you do more than that amount of rotation outside the home country of your school....cannot do residency there & get licensed, that is what she said (but if you only do 12 weeks & do not do residency in NY, then after NY licensure is not a problem)
she had given me the email or phone number of the body that controls the residency part...never got around to digging b/c other stuff came up

the part i am speculating about...people do do residency there even if they do more than 12 weeks out of home country rotations....speculation: you might not get a license...maybe one "slips through the cracks" b.c you do not need resident's license in NY (once again I am not sure about this) (this last paragraph is pure speculation), so once you want to go to NY as a full doctor...you might have problem...got to get to the bottom of this

[CAREBEARS007]

would be to work for a veterans administration hospitals. that will grant you 50 state licensure. so that is one option to get around the complicated rules and regulations for tough states like new york.