Licensure concerns...

[Ibrahim110]

Why is it that I can't go anywhere on this forum, on med school websites, or even on state licensure websites to find one official list (instead of having to browse 300 threads and 30 websites, for 10 different stories) of which foreign medical schools' degrees are approved for FULL licensure in all 50 states (yes, texas too). Since this seems to matter so much to so many people, and especially a lot to myself, I don't understand why it's so hard to find this information, officially, all in one place. I tried looking up this information at the caribbean med school websites, but they seem to be very reclusive about providing this information, as I found it at no website except Ross, which was proud to say it's degree is accepted for full licensure in all 50 states without any difficulty. Also, ValueMD apparently has made no official list that people can refer to so that they can easily see which states it's easy to get full licensure in for which schools, something I think they should have done a long, long time ago...(I mean what could be more important than that? Isn't that why people are going to these schools?)

Since I've received contradictory statements on the following med schools, I would like if someone would clarify me that these all are approved (even if with more paperwork) in Texas (because if they're approved in Texas, they're probably approved anywhere in the world, including even royal settings, e.g. Royal Surgeon of England, etc.):

SABA, AUC, SGU, UAG, St. Matthews

I think AUC, Ross, and SGU are always metioned as being the Big 3, but how come they don't call it the Big 4? Isn't SABA just as approved as they are, if not more so? The most controversial claims I've found are those on UAG and St. Matthews, as I have been unable to confirm that these graduates are often approved for full licensure in Texas, and would appreciate if someone would give me an unequivocal answer.

Those with CERTAIN knowledge about this, please inform, and please no silly answers like "It all depends on your (place other criteria here)" or "there is no such thing as state approval" or whatever. I just want the practical facts.

Thanks,

Ibrahim

[eastern2western]

What I did is look at the california medical board website because it has a list of schools that it accepts. California is one of the hardest states to get into and numerouse different states use its list as a criteria. If a school is in California's list, it is usually accepted in most states. Out of all the schools in VMD, the schools that are accepted by california are Sabba, Fatima, SGU, AUC, Ross and UAG. If you do not believe me, you should go check it out at http://www.medbd.ca.gov/Applicant_Schools_Recognized.htm.
Another good rule of thumb is FFEL qualification and the only schools that qualify are sgu, ross, auc and uag. You can find out these 4 schools' default rates in http://www.ed.gov/offices/OSFAP/defaultmanagement/cdr.html. In order to stay qualify, schools must retain their default rate under 40% per one year and under 25% in a 3 year average. That is a very good sign that shows FFEL schools have a bigger responsiblity on the succes of their students.
That is my .002. Laters dudes.

[Aviv Imanuel]

Being such a huge country with 50 different state medical licensing boards, what you are asking is more idealistic than practical. Why? First of all, the U.S. DOES NOT have a regulatory agency or organization engaged in evaluating and or accrediting international medical schools. Medical education is not federally regulated. That is why you will get what you have, 50 different state medical boards with some of them (California, Texas for example) with lists of approved schools which they deem good for licensure. Other states follow their lists and other states make up their own rules. This is why one school might me good for one state and don't stand a chance in another. It is the roll of the dice Ibrahim.

Now, if this gives some comfort, the California list and Texas lists is used by other states as well (Nevada, New Mexico i think, Oregon, to mention a few).

Not a rule of thumb, but a rule of safe practice, any schools not listed in either these two states are pretty much tough choices or bets when it comes down to licensure. Otherwise, you will have to check each individual state medical board individually. Bear in mind, nobody wants to have the liability of putting something in printing that might turn out to be incorrect or misleading and be exposed to a lawsuit. Not Valuemd, Studentdoctor.net, etc.

Sorry, this might not be the answer you expected but those are the current facts for this Country, no official list exists that covers all states. And I have been familiar with this since the 1980's.

Pardon any spelling errors.

Max






Why is it that I can't go anywhere on this forum, on med school websites, or even on state licensure websites to find one official list (instead of having to browse 300 threads and 30 websites, for 10 different stories) of which foreign medical schools' degrees are approved for FULL licensure in all 50 states (yes, texas too). Since this seems to matter so much to so many people, and especially a lot to myself, I don't understand why it's so hard to find this information, officially, all in one place. I tried looking up this information at the caribbean med school websites, but they seem to be very reclusive about providing this information, as I found it at no website except Ross, which was proud to say it's degree is accepted for full licensure in all 50 states without any difficulty. Also, ValueMD apparently has made no official list that people can refer to so that they can easily see which states it's easy to get full licensure in for which schools, something I think they should have done a long, long time ago...(I mean what could be more important than that? Isn't that why people are going to these schools?)

Since I've received contradictory statements on the following med schools, I would like if someone would clarify me that these all are approved (even if with more paperwork) in Texas (because if they're approved in Texas, they're probably approved anywhere in the world, including even royal settings, e.g. Royal Surgeon of England, etc.):

SABA, AUC, SGU, UAG, St. Matthews

I think AUC, Ross, and SGU are always metioned as being the Big 3, but how come they don't call it the Big 4? Isn't SABA just as approved as they are, if not more so? The most controversial claims I've found are those on UAG and St. Matthews, as I have been unable to confirm that these graduates are often approved for full licensure in Texas, and would appreciate if someone would give me an unequivocal answer.

Those with CERTAIN knowledge about this, please inform, and please no silly answers like "It all depends on your (place other criteria here)" or "there is no such thing as state approval" or whatever. I just want the practical facts.

Thanks,

Ibrahim

[wcb22]

just to clear something up... as far as i know, unless something has changed, oregon has it's own "unapproved" list. st. chris school of medicine was on that, which stirred up some heat around here a while back, however, i don't THINK they use any other states list.

something else on oregon, they require "on-site" teaching. it's real trouble for anyone attending on-line type med schools.

other states using CA list... VT, and new to the list, TN.


another reason you request something difficult to answer. you could go to an "all 50 state approved" school and still not get licensed. 2 examples... 1) you do some non-green book rotation, you want to get licensed in Pennsylvannia, or Texas, and they give you hell because they are very strict on rotations. 2) a state board starts changing their rules and regulations, which they can do at any moment.

i talked to a guy at a physician licensing service, and he said there was a period for about 8 months where Texas wasn't giving licenses to ANYONE from the caribbean. we are talking about Ross and SGU too here. Ross got lawyers involved, and don't have to prove "substanical equivalency" (rule 163.1) according to state medical board law. SGU doesn't have problems now, but per my understanding, even a great school like SGU had a little problem there.

Colorado likes giving IMGs trouble. So what, you can even get a permanent license, but it will take you forever, as you are drowned in paperwork. There was an anesthesiologist from AUC who had problems here a while back.

anyway, check back in a year, and this list might change.