Indian Medical Schools

[Steve11916]

Hi,
I was wondering if many Indian medical schools are recognized by California. I was accepted into a medical school out there that doesnt require an MCAT and a bachelor's degree. From what I've heard, in order to work in california you have to have a bachelors or MCAT score. Not sure if this is true. I need help/advice. Thanks.
steve

[Gummas]

Hi, Steve. Just curious: are you planning to attend one of the schools affiliated with Universal Empire (UEIMS)? Wish you the very best in med school.

[ML]

Hi, Steve. Just curious: are you planning to attend one of the schools affiliated with Universal Empire (UEIMS)? Wish you the very best in med school.

Hi Steve,
Just wondering which school did you get into? I'm from India. Indian med schools have their own entrance exam like MCAT, but some seats are kept aside as donation seats. Students go to med schools over there immediately after 12th grade and no one does bachelors. From what I remember, I think the lenght of the program is nearly 6 years instead of regular 4 years in USA. This is to cover the noneed policy of bachelors. It shudn't be a problem for you to practise in California as there are soo many Indians in that state practising medicine, but it is better for you to check with the california board to make sure that the school you are going to attend is approved as there are some schools in India which are not.

Cheers....
ML

[Miklos]

Hi,
I was wondering if many Indian medical schools are recognized by California. I was accepted into a medical school out there that doesnt require an MCAT and a bachelor's degree. From what I've heard, in order to work in california you have to have a bachelors or MCAT score. Not sure if this is true. I need help/advice. Thanks.
steve

Steve,

Contact Ms. Patricia Park, Foreign Schools Liaison, Licensing Program for the Medical Board of California, at (916) 263-2367, or e-mail PPark@medbd.ca.gov and politely ask her about the school. That way you will know for sure.

Good luck.

[Steve11916]

Hi,
Thanks for your help and advice. The school I was accepted to is Kasturba Medical Coleege, also known as Manipal University of Higher Education.
Steve

[october]

I have seen state boards readily acept Indian national based on their educational system but have also heard of us citizens with the same educational experience having a hard time. Some folks frown on MD's not having a **/BA degree but if you look a US med school admission requirements you will often see a 4 year degree is not mandatory.

You see being a US citizen you genetic makeup and chromosomal cerebral base preclude you from being able to practice medicine despite having identical training as the non US citizen.

Be prepared to spend afew thousand dollars on an attorney and you very likely will get a license. Actually, this may benefit you in the long run as the money you may save by studying in India could be a lot more than legal fees in 9 years when you complete your 3rd year of residency.

I have had great friends from India during my training. Among the heroes in my life is that lawyer guy who beat the British empire. I think Ben Kingsley was his name.

If I had to do it again I would certainly consider India. Can't beat the food!

Best of luck

[dt]

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I have had great friends from India during my training. Among the heroes in my life is that lawyer guy who beat the British empire. I think Ben Kingsley was his name.
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You are just joking, right? Must be...

[october]

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I have had great friends from India during my training. Among the heroes in my life is that lawyer guy who beat the British empire. I think Ben Kingsley was his name.
...

You are just joking, right? Must be...


Absolutely. I will never forget Ben Kingsley playing Mohandis Gandi. Phenomenal movie about one of the greatest people our world has ever known.
The world need many more like him.
Gandi would not have been able to practice law in the uSA an a foreign graduate.

As an FMG I was able to relate to many things Mr Gandi and the people of India endured.

[nonstopdoc1]

By the way
its not Mr. Gandi but Mr. Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

[AMAZED]

Hi, Im thinking about applying to KMC Manipal also...can you tell me anything you know about it? Any info would be helpful actually...Im interested in doing the 5 yrs there and then doing residency in US....

[ML]

Hi, Im thinking about applying to KMC Manipal also...can you tell me anything you know about it? Any info would be helpful actually...Im interested in doing the 5 yrs there and then doing residency in US....

Manipal is one of the best known schools out of sub-continent. They have a limited number of seats for which they select candidates based on the admission test they give, which by the way is harder than hell. The remaining seats are given for those who pay the donation, which from what I remember last was 30 lakhs Indian Rupees (A lakh is 100,000 rupees) which comes down to around 70,000 US dollars. Mind you this money is to just get admission and excludes other expenses. So, the bottom line is it is a very good school and since this school educates students so that they can practise in their native country (India and Nepal), you shouldn't have any licensing problems. Hope this helps....

Cheers....
ML

[RajPatel]

Kasturba Medical College is indeed a fine school. However, as someone who spent three years and a hundred thousand dollars in Manipal and have absolutely zip (actually far less than that, since when I came out of it my prospects were considerably diminished from what they were going in), I have to warn anyone thinking about attending it to make sure you will actually be attending KASTURBA medical college.

The administration in that place starts and closes schools like they were bakesales. Anyone who wants in-depth detail as to what i am referring to may email me privately or even ask me to elaborate further here, which i don't feel like doing at the moment because it would take too long, and possibly for no reason, as i am not sure anyone's interested.

There was a Apex Court ruling ten yrs ago which basically severely curtailed the number of "donation" seats KMC can set aside. This led to the formation and closing of many "schools" over the years and the near-destruction of a few lives, mine included. The administrators are absolutely worthless criminals (well maybe i shouldn't say worthless since they have enriched themselves considerably) and the city of Manipal is an absolute hellhole. Always at least 90 degrees (no joke), and the place is just a barren wasteland. You had better be ready to set aside a bribery fund, because there's no way you will progress beyond certain points otherwise. They will up and change the tuition fees on you in midstream. You will be taught by final-yr med students rather than profs and if one of them dislikes you for some reason, count on repeating that subject ad infinitum.

A lot of what I said applies to KMC, and some applies only to the myriad sham schools in that city set up by that administration whose sole purpose is to rake in the dough. I would strongly urge anyone considering the place to fly out there first. It's really unlikely you would still consider it after doing so. It's one thing to endure hell on Dominica, or Grenada, or the island of Saba because in those places even though are bound to be organization problems, some form or degree of corruption, instability, and none of the comforts of home, it still is NOTHING like the extent to which you'll experience all things in Money-pal. (money is truly their only pal and goal).

[AMAZED]

Ouch...what you said certainly didnt flatter KMC. But man thats a huge amt of money! I didnt realize that KMC still had donation seats...I looked at the school rubrick that is posted on the KMC website and tuition is around 20 grand a year (without hostel fees...living expenses etc) but nowhere on the site did it say that it accepted donations. Kind of shady if you ask me.

But when you were saying that you got nothing out of it...what do you mean exactly? Your med degree isnt accepted in the US or you have a huge amt of debt or what?

Anyway, Im leaning against applying there for now.

[ML]

Ouch...what you said certainly didnt flatter KMC. But man thats a huge amt of money! I didnt realize that KMC still had donation seats...I looked at the school rubrick that is posted on the KMC website and tuition is around 20 grand a year (without hostel fees...living expenses etc) but nowhere on the site did it say that it accepted donations. Kind of shady if you ask me.

But when you were saying that you got nothing out of it...what do you mean exactly? Your med degree isnt accepted in the US or you have a huge amt of debt or what?

Anyway, Im leaning against applying there for now.
From what I remember from Raj's old posts, I think he just got tired of the hell out there and dropped out and came back to the states. I kinda agree with him in that if you are not used to hot conditions, it is hard to adjust. Enjoying the hot weather on the caribbean beaches is one thing and surviving the hot weather in India is a completely another thing. Anyways, why do you want to apply to Indian schools? I moved to USA 5 years back and am about to finish my undergrad and start medical school in caribbean this coming fall. Even I'm not interested in going back to do medicine in India. Doing medicine in caribbean really helps alot as you will be doing your rotations in USA which is not the case in India. Also, the British system is followed in India and that wouldn't help you much either. I just hope that you change your mind and apply around here. Hope this helps.....

-ML

[RajPatel]

it wasn't about the weather or living conditions for me; that sucked, just like i know it's going to suck when i go to the carib this summer or fall. but i believe in sacrifice and pain for long-term good. prob was this was just a nightmare without purpose.

i actually was put through more hell by my own idiot parents than anyone ever before me. i am not talking just good old-fashioned child abuse; i certainly endured a ton of physical, emotional, and verbal abuse growing up. then i got out of the house after high school graduation and went to college. only normal damn years of my life. then i went to this sham program the manipal folks started in the aftermath of the apex court ruling, saw what a joke it was and returned, but my parents semi-forced, semi-persuaded (with the promise of standing by me) me to return. actually, it was basically that they said to either return to there or get the hell out of the house. clearly, my lack of spine and general cowardice at facing the real world on my own caused this episode, but it would also have been nice to have loving, supportive parents who backed up everything i said and did, like all my contemporaries (indian) many of whom have actually committed crimes (usual teenage stuff, dui, shoplifting, various chicanery) and gotten their parents to bail them out of jail and get pricey attys to get them off.

despite my never doing any of that, i have been subjected to so much more crap by them than was ever justified. military school, and then the manipal thing. with 80 percent of the basic sciences finished, the school starts giving me hell for lack of attendance. mind you, this is a school that was in existence for three years, never accredited, and no one ever went to class, half the time there wasn't a class to attend. it was sick. my parents completely and totally took the side of these criminal idiots in manipal, and get this......my father actually paid them thirty thousand usd AFTER it was all over, the balance of the tuition they demanded.

it's far too sick and involved to summarize in a couple of paragraphs and i've long since lost interest in rehashing this stuff......i'm finishing orgo and phys II and trying to get one of the big 3 or 4 for summer. really sort of big 3 since saba didn't bother to send so much as a postcard until eight months after my app i called to see what's up, and that's when they mentioned what they were waiting on. my numbers are 2.46/24, the mcat is from ten years ago. i am hoping against hope. i have matured a lot in all aspects of life, and will take school with the utmost seriousness should i get a chance anywhere, but i am fairly scared that i won't get any of the big 3 and again have to contend with a sham school, or one that may be legit but really screwy and i really don't have the energy for it anymore

[Medical King]

I was wondering where is Manipal Medical School? I mean in what state it is in?

[AMAZED]

I decided against applying, my reasons being that 1) its waaaay too expensive 2) it doesnt prepare you for USMLE 3) you are not at an advantage with residency like people from other foreign medical schools
4) life would be vastly different than what Im used to/poorer quality of life

I wouldnt mind number 4 as much if the others made up for it, but since they dont, Im better off the way Im going now.

I believe that Manipal is in the state of Karnataka.

[ML]

I was wondering where is Manipal Medical School? I mean in what state it is in?

It is in the state of Karnataka in the southern part of India.

And with this post I became a senior member of ValueMD :D 8) :lol: :o :)
-ML

[CaliAtenza]

Hey guys, whats up? Great site here!!

Ok, here is my situation:

Im a US citizen of indian descent. Im currently doing undergrad (first year) at UCI. Unfortunetly, i didn't pass any of my science classes the 1st two quarters and a result, i am not takin any this quarter. I love bio, but i cannot absolutely stand chemistry cause it has ALWAYS been difficult for me. But at UCI, the school made me hate bio as well because of the teachers and the testing process, which i really didn't like. So its come down to a couple of options: A. go to an indian med school (a school in bangalore cause i would be with family) or B. Bassically start over at UCI (redo my first two quarters of freshman year during this summer) or finnaly C. Transfer to a private university like LMU and start over. Im not exactly sure what to do; i've read so much about all options and each seems appealing in their own ways and each has its disadvantages. BTW, truly how hard is it for IMGs from india, US citizens in particular, to do well on the USMLE and get a decent residency here in the US. Also, i really want to go to the armed forces, and my dad, who's a doc and was in the USAF, said i could go to the USAF and do their residency programs and stuff, which could be another option. Anyways, thanx for the help in advance.

[Kuwaituser]

Which college in Bangalore you are planning to join. Again, the donation is very high in most of the colleges in Bangalore.

If you are planning to ultimately return to US, Indian MBBS is not the right thing, as they do not train you for the USMLE steps etc.

[CaliAtenza]

Um..right now, in Bangalore im looking at MS Ramiah, BMC or BMS..not sure which one it is, KIMS, and maybe a few others. Yeah, about the USMLE part...everyone tells me i will be ok if i go...just have to take a shitload of course and stuff while im back in the states on break and after the schooling and degree. I just wanted to know, if truely is it hard for indian MBBS holders to do well on the USMLE, because from what i hear, its not impossible.

[Kuwaituser]

Hi,

What is the fee per annum and the donation that you have to pay in these medical colleges in Bangalore. I am travelling in the same boat. I am not sure if I have to join one of these Bangalore medical schools or go to the Carribean to ultimately practice in the US.

[CaliAtenza]

Hey,

I don't know..my dad is taking care of all the financial obligations, so i haven't asked him about any of that....

[drtintin]

dont go fr bangalre schools ...they are all Dollar hungry schools.....ll take a lot of donations...which is unofficial ...n once u are caught by the CBI(central investigation Beureu of India) ur digree may b cancelled...moreover u never know how much donation u need to pay....after 2nd or 3rd year they may ask u for more.....n u never know when u have sarisfied their hunger...i hav been to one of these shit schools...they are all nonsense schools....studing in a bangalore school is equal to selfstudy...because u ll hardly learn anything in class....there are shortage of qualified professors,facilities.............
carribean is a better option fr USMLE

[drtintin]

here lies a link thaat tells about the extent of corruption in the bangalore schools

http://www.valuemd.com/viewtopic.php?t=14317&highlight=india+indian

[eenie]

I would suggest Manipal!

[archon218]

Are any indian schools taught in english?

[eenie]

I think most of them are...for example Manipal.... :D

[hiagro77]

HI , I believe that most of them are. The student apply for MLE/PLAB Etc.
U can go to MAHE , Thats a pretty good institue. www.manipal.edu

[eenie]

Manipal is great!

[CaliAtenza]

Of all the people that went to bangalore that i know...none of them got caught by the CBI and all of them passed the USMLE fine and got into residencies back here in the states, so im not that worried.

[eenie]

I wanted to know whether or not a MBBS degree from India is considered equal to a MD in the US. I also wanted to know if someone gets their MBBS from India then how would htey make up for the 60/90 credits of pre-med requirements? Would they face any problems or would that be overruled for them? If someone could answer my questions it would be appreciated!

[archon218]

whats better in residency comming from indian school or carribean schools like Ross?

[samsung]

Dear Friends,

I am an IMG from India and preparing for Step 1 presently.

I am interested to set up a new froum on valuemd for S E asia & Indian IMGs similar to of other schools already functioning on valuemd.The idea primarily meant to create & communicate effectively among IMGs of this region under 'single place'. :P

I already had reply from ValueMD administrator. According to them, previoulsly ValueMD had forum on Indian Schools but because of disinterest by members/guests(as evident by few posts in forum) administrator has to terminate Indian forum on ValueMD. :(

I want from administrator to REACTIVATE that S E Asia/Indian forum once again but before that I want to know from my dear friends/visitors whether they are interested in setting up and importantly running the forum smoothley so as to make the forum available on net?

:-spinning

Let me know ASAP your feedabcks/views?I also request you to vote in the poll Q? Cast your vote at http://www.valuemd.com/ftopic18893.html

Finally I expect we,together will be able to give rebirth to S E Asia/Indian Schools IMGs Forum? :yeah: :yeah:

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[jenson300]

St. John's Medical College and Government Medical College, Bangalore are some of the best medical schools in India in 2004.

[eenie]

whats better in residency comming from indian school or carribean schools like Ross?

ya good question..I think probably a caribbean school like Ross would be better because the caribbean schools tend to have a curriculum that mimics the US medical schools.

[nonstopdoc1]

the main difference is the cost and the years required for graduation.

doing grad in india is cheaper, total 6 years after school (dont have to do B.Sc)

whereas carribean- relatively expensive,4 yrs+ B.Sc but the advantage of us style of education and US clinical experience.

hope that helps.

[momMD2B]

So sorry to hear about all this that has happened to you, Raj. Have you considered that maybe you could try something other than medicine? There are other venues to a medical career. For example, you could try a PA program or maybe become a nurse practitioner. I would think that with surviving all of these stressful hardships( and that too by yourself), you would want to take a break from all of this stuff and focus on getting yourself de-stressed. You actually owe to yourself. Even your health could suffer, if you stay bitter like this, over time. I speak from experience. Please don't take this the wrong way. Just trying to be sympathetic. I've been through a similar situation myself, so I know what you could be going through.

[losackmd]

read your messages.

You sound quite emotionally wounded !
Your description of the events that occurred in Manipal
have to be clouded and distorted by your mental state.
I would really need more clarification and objectivity to believe what you are saying.

As a psychiatrist over 25 years, and a proud graduate of a DOMINICAN MED SCHOOL ( probably worse than any med school you could ever imagine could be because I was there at the beginning when there was no actual school, no lights, horrible conditions!)
I find the link between your mental health and description of Manipal quite fascinating.

what gives??

all this money tossed? time? family ?
are you getting help?

[RajPatel]

well, i don't care if you or anyone believes it, but as far as clarification and objectivity, let me try to be more succinct:

school was never accredited in any way by any body whatsoever

school was in existence for three years

school never collected the tuition money, though my evil jackass father was kind enough to pay it entirely voluntarily after the fact because of his irrational hatred of me (he was severely abused as a child, physically and emotionally, and it left him with deep psychiatric problems, among them tremendous hate and rage but yet a fear of all people except me, and therefore found in me a convenient venting outlet for aforementioned problems)

school never graduated a single student

school was run by a collection of idiots who can't do anything in life other than to start a sham program and propel it with lies until it collapses on itself

i was deeply scarred by the experience but really it has little or nothing to do with manipal. in my culture, we are raised with a certain mindset. this mindset made it possible for me to trust my parents and do what they said even if this meant going to and staying at what i knew from day 1 to be a sham school. this is no longer possible, because i do not and have not trusted them since the end of that miserable episode.

that notwithstanding, i do put down the manipal people because they are a bunch of corrupt and evil liars. i will be interested to see ranmal's posts as the years pass. if it goes well, more power to him. however, the experience i have related is echoed at least in part by every person i have known who had the misfortune to study in such a cesspool of bribes, lies, and fraud.

and mommd, thanks for the kind words. don't worry about me, the opportunity i've long awaited is here, and i will be attending a real medical school, one in which i have deep faith and confidence, this fall. they could delay the dream but they couldn't destroy it.

and anyway, they really are more the "3 stooges" variety of criminal than hardcore villains.

[losackmd]

you went to a medical school that was never accredited?
you and your family knew this prior to going?

school never collected the tuition money, though my evil jackass father was kind enough to pay it entirely voluntarily after the fact because of his irrational hatred of me (he was severely abused as a child, physically and emotionally, and it left him with deep psychiatric problems, among them tremendous hate and rage but yet a fear of all people except me, and therefore found in me a convenient venting outlet for aforementioned problems)

( folks, culture or not these utterances do border on lunacy)


if other people on this site do not think you are in the midst of a paranoid
illness of some sort then they are not good diagnosticians and should take heed ( for being a good doc is first listening and observing not doing) that your symptoms are coloring all things you say.
It pains me to see you in the throws of your illness broadcasting indignities
as if everyone really cared.

your pathology is quite transparent and i take what you say quite seriously


I might be the only physician/ trained psychiatrist here seeing through all this. I think you need to hear this and so i will say this and then end my communication with you
I do hope you are receiving or getting professional help.

Unless you are kidding and pretending to be some aberrant personality & here on the web im sure that is quite common,
you would do well to take my advice. The others relating to you would also do well to ignore your tirades and better spend their time with someone elses experiences

Rx: get help!

[RajPatel]

losermd, when your patients relate their traumatic experiences to you, do you tell them that their "statements border on lunacy". if you do, you have wasted your psychiatric training, because i believe the average truck driver could tell them the same thing and most likely, with more charm.

as far as "broadcasting indignities as if anyone cares", well that could be said about everything written on this site or any other. what is "care"? most people really care only about the well-being of their family/friends, financial stability and an opportunity to do something meaningful in life. i would totally grant that no one cares about what i say here, but i would bet they are equally indifferent to your armchair analysis.

since you asked for clarification, i tried to provide it in the most succinct way possible. just because it does not match your own life experience does not mean it is not true or valid. how silly of me to think a trained psychiatrist would already know that. perhaps your practice is centered mostly around bored rich people and spoiled teens?

[markglt]

raj, what school did you decide on?

to the psychiatrist: you can not give a diagnosis or prognosis w/o a sound history. Leave all your jargon at the door and go take psych. 101 again. Your compitence as a medical doctor is def. in question.

[losackmd]

the truth hurts!

[losackmd]

first of all you are not a patient! this is not treatment and you
should not be here on this forum i assume to be self explorative about your traumatic experiences. Go to a mental health forum. My point is i dont think you can separate the two since you are so traumatized.
again you are not my patient! This is a public forum.
It is not a forum to discuss your early childhood memories!
I have read the forums and you are the only one i see who is consistently &
religiously focused on the victimization you experienced. So it is incorrect to sat that this can be said about everything written on this site.
As far as armchair analysis i was talking to YOU! you need to hear this.
you dont want to , but you need to hear it.

Again my practice has nothing to do with you. You are not my patient. You are though bitter, angry confused paranoid and distort the facts!
Many made it out of your school. Most did! Their stories are not similar to yours.

and to Markgit: this is not a war! i said that i have read much of what he has said and it repeats itself in this victimized fashion quite consistently
and from this i make assumptions.
You are offended it seems. You cast aspersions at me. let us make these forums helpful in the quest to get you all to become good doctors.
THere are some of you who will not become doctors.

[RajPatel]

Losermd, you are not a psychiatrist nor anything remotely approximating one. You can go ahead and contest or disbelieve anything I say. I daresay it would be pointless and prove nothing and achieve nothing. I am perfectly happy to have a dialogue with anyone who wants one, however you just want to rant and rave and denigrate.

You are right, the truth hurts. So much so that you daydream at Burger King of what a waste it is that someone as talented (at least in your mind) as you is flipping burgers. Putting me down will do nothing to alleviate that perceived injustice, though it might provide temporary satisfaction. And coming on here pretending to be something you're not requires a bit more intelligence on the part of the liar. Then again, you're in the "throws" of delusion :lol:

[losackmd]

i know for sure that i am not alone in
wishing you the very best
and hoping you get the help you need.

anyone who has heard you rant and rage will indeed
feel sorry for you.

Lets hope you take that other persons advice
and stay out of medicine.


all the best

[RajPatel]

i just read all your posts, losermd, since there aren't many.

You yourself are mentally ill. You are obsessed with your fluency in spanish and the adverse conditions you faced in the Dominican Republic. You pick fights with everyone and for no reason. Anyone who goes through my posts will see I only insult those who insult me first.

You actually start threads with the sole purpose of putting others down and antagonizing people. I understand now why you are so bitter and nasty. I feel so sorry for your patients. They have no idea what a worthless turd their "psychiatrist" is (well, likely more and more are finding out or else why would you have so much time to spend here)

later, loser :D