NO electives/aways in NJ?!

[TheeeGod]

i just spoke to my clinical advisor and i just found out that its againt some sort of policy to do an away rotation anywhere in NJ....what's up with that?

this basically means that you are basically barred from getting a competitive residency spot in the whole state of NJ b/c a lot of programs give interviews or are partial to people who rotate there. you are pretty much not going to get an interview if you are an FMG applying into a competitive field and you havent rotated at the institution. this is some **...i am really interested in a UMDNJ program and this really blows...what can i do?!? :mad:

[bevo]

its not only in NJ.

in Texas if you do a rotation there outside of a medical school system you will not be able to get licensure there.

Doesnt sound like a big deal until you try and get one of those rotations. Since we're not LCME students the medical schools won't allow us to do rotations there.

So basically, you can't do anything.

They basically shove you into a corner. Both sides make it sound like the field is still open, but both sides close their side off with no regards to what the other side is doing.

Ive had issues finding away electives as well.

Im having to travel half way across the country to a less desirable location to do one ..

[DBob1172]

Is this for cores or electives? And if you say it's for electives, did you specifically say electives to the person you talked to at Ross? I've never heard of not being allowed to do an elective anywhere...

[alpathmd]

its not only in NJ....

I had similar issues with Pennsylvania.

[bevo]

anything.

Its much harder (dare I say impossible?) to get cores in Tx, but the same law applies to both.

[TheeeGod]

interesting point bevo. i did not even know that ross was not LCME accredited!! its also strange that somoene from SGU did a rotation at UMDNJ even thought their handbook says only LCME schools will be accepted.

on top of that, what irks me is that ross denies you electives in NJ even if the institution accepts you. is that even true or maybe i just assumed it wrong?

if you cant rotate, does it not make it harder to get an interview? this is some new ** i am learning :(

bevo, so do you just call up the registrar offices at places, say that you are an FMG from Ross, and ask if they take you?

[bevo]

only US and Canadian Schools are LCME I believe.

Its an accredidation (sp?) that only those schools are eligible to apply for. Its a requirement many of these hospitals have for when accepting visiting students.

So I've contacted many places. Asked if they take non-lcme visiting students, if yes, will they take ross students. I've been denied even after being told they take foreign students. Places like Northwestern and Baylor will take foreign students, but not from Ross (unless you are a dominican citizen going to Ross U with Northwestern).

rotating there only tends to do 2 things ...
1) hope they get to know you and maybe pre-match. But if its a competitive speciality that won't happen most of the time.
2) possibly get a curtosy interview come match time.

[singer]

i just spoke to my clinical advisor and i just found out that its againt some sort of policy to do an away rotation anywhere in NJ....what's up with that?

this basically means that you are basically barred from getting a competitive residency spot in the whole state of NJ b/c a lot of programs give interviews or are partial to people who rotate there. you are pretty much not going to get an interview if you are an FMG applying into a competitive field and you havent rotated at the institution. this is some **...i am really interested in a UMDNJ program and this really blows...what can i do?!? :mad:

Threegod:

I actually spoke to the Assistant Director in charge of Medical Licensing from the state and He indicated that there are only 3 foreign schools allowed to do any rotations in New Jersey. They are Ross, SGU and Guadaljara. Only Ross andSGU actually have rotations. He indicated that the only rotations that can be done are at the affiliated approved hospitals and only the rotations that are approved. Ross has 4 affiliated hospitals and each has one approved CORE rotation.

He also indicated that the state requires that all roatations be done in the US but New Jersey does license students doing rotations out of the state. Now that isn't following the rules..

As far as doing rotations at UMDNJ their website does state that you must go to an LCME school. They also require that ROSS would supply the Malpractice insurance and that you have had HIPPA training. It is my understanding that in the past ROSS students have done rotations at UMDNJ. Whether they were able to be licensed in New Jersey, I don't know.

If you pm me with what program you are interested in doing at UMDNJ I may be able to give you some advice

Ask your clinical advisor why ROSS students can't do rotations at UMDNJ. The whole thing is confusing to me.

If you find out anything more post it for all of us.

[Jezzielin]

What about Michigan?

[bevo]

michigan seems pretty foreign friendly. Just gotta go on a hospital by h ospital basis. Henry ford will take you, you just need to find a physician there to sponsor you. Providence hospital is a AUC hosp, they might take you? I dunno about other hosps in the area.

[TheeeGod]

well i just called UMDNJ - they DO take Ross Students even though their handbook says LCME only!! She even said that they have had Rossie before :)

now someone clarify if Ross allows it. my clinical advisor is THE worst. she rushes me off the phone. she tells me my scores are crap and that she has people with better scores who get dibs on rotations. sometimes i just dont understand how people like that get jobs!

[Jezzielin]

michigan seems pretty foreign friendly. Just gotta go on a hospital by h ospital basis. Henry ford will take you, you just need to find a physician there to sponsor you. Providence hospital is a AUC hosp, they might take you? I dunno about other hosps in the area.

Thanks for the info!!:)

[singer]

well i just called UMDNJ - they DO take Ross Students even though their handbook says LCME only!! She even said that they have had Rossie before :)

now someone clarify if Ross allows it. my clinical advisor is THE worst. she rushes me off the phone. she tells me my scores are crap and that she has people with better scores who get dibs on rotations. sometimes i just dont understand how people like that get jobs!

Maybe someone from the Clinical Department such as Dr. P**** from Ross could give the reason why there is a difference between your advisors interpretation and what the woman at UMDNJ said. It would seem beneficial to both Ross students and ROSS Medical School if students were able to do electivesat UMDNJ which is a higher quality Hospital then most of the ROss affiliated Hospitals. Naybe Dru, Jim or Mitchdc could find out the TRUTH.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

i just spoke to my clinical advisor and i just found out that its againt some sort of policy to do an away rotation anywhere in NJ....what's up with that?

this basically means that you are basically barred from getting a competitive residency spot in the whole state of NJ b/c a lot of programs give interviews or are partial to people who rotate there. you are pretty much not going to get an interview if you are an FMG applying into a competitive field and you havent rotated at the institution. this is some **...i am really interested in a UMDNJ program and this really blows...what can i do?!? :mad:

Nothing new....someone had told me about this last year. If you intend to apply for residency in NJ...just dont do any electives there. You are allowed to do cores though.

[singer]

Nothing new....someone had told me about this last year. If you intend to apply for residency in NJ...just dont do any electives there. You are allowed to do cores though.

only allowed to do Cores at the four hospitals that Ross is affilated with in New Jersey and only the approved CORE at ach of the hospitals.

[TheeeGod]

this is all very confusing...i will see if i can get a hold of dr. p...to get a competitive residecny, an away audition rotation definitely boosts your chances of obtaining a spot if you impress the faculty or the PD...i hope ross really does allow us to do a rotation at UMDNJ as it is my # 1 choice!

[alpathmd]

What about Michigan?

visit the websites of MI hospitals including Henry Ford, St. John's, Providence, Wayne State and look for a "visiting students" link. you should find the info you are searching for.

[TheeeGod]

as always, its like playing the lotto when trying to contact a higher ross official. no hold of dr. p.

anyone else have any luck?