PGY2 Position

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Hey All:

There is a PGY2 position available at Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center in New Hampshire. For more information, contact the PD --------
Matt


DHMC
http://www.hitchcock.org/webpage.cfm?site_id=2&org_id=33&gsec_id=0&sec_id=0&item_id=1095

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[Daniel]

Hey All:

There is a PGY2 position available at Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center in New Hampshire. For more information, contact the PD -----

Matt


DHMC
http://www.hitchcock.org/webpage.cfm?site_id=2&org_id=33&gsec_id=0&sec_id=0&item_id=1095

wow! how often does an ivy league position just open up like that? perhaps its because of location (new hampshire), but dartmouth is great!

[stephew]

many sgu folks have gotten offers from that center. FYI- the "ivy league" is not an issue in medicine. Just because a school is an undergrad powerhouse doesnt translate into a top medical institution. Which btw isnt a comment on darmouth but rather on the "a little learning is a dangerous thing" issue. In your search for a good spot, dont confuse big name colleges with quality med ed.

Having said that Dartmouth has taken many sgu students. They always have spots available in IM for instance.

[Daniel]

many sgu folks have gotten offers from that center. FYI- the "ivy league" is not an issue in medicine. Just because a school is an undergrad powerhouse doesnt translate into a top medical institution. Which btw isnt a comment on darmouth but rather on the "a little learning is a dangerous thing" issue. In your search for a good spot, dont confuse big name colleges with quality med ed.

Having said that Dartmouth has taken many sgu students. They always have spots available in IM for instance.

yes, understood. but i've been to dartmouth and i think its program is solid. which ivy league programs doesnt translate into a good medical education?

harvard's, yale's, columbia's, cornell's, brown's? from what i have personally seen, i dont see many weaknesses in harvard. if the ivy league name isnt a issue in medicine....doesnt that contradict one of your posts that stated something to the effect of "a hopkins degree and a nymc degree" has differences in terms of opportunity?

similarly, wouldnt a ivy league program be different than a nymc program? or am i missing something here?

[stephew]

I think you're missing something. The ivy league is a very specific concept: its a few specific schools in the north east and it refers to their undergrad education, and has nothing to do with medical school. Also, I didnt say in my post about "ivy league" schools that the opportunities graduating from every school is the same. Two completely separate issues. Graduating from Hopkins med school, not an "ivy league" undergrad school, is weightier in terms of future opportunities than graduating from Brown, which is Ivy. (Please dont bother me with rants about the quality of brown med school; its perfectly excellent). That is one issue. Separate is the quality of a training program after med school. And there my point is merely that as future doctors, dont be overly impressed because you've heard of the fame of a school on the undergrad level. U Wisc (my last example) has a superior cancer center from Yale. People may not "ooh" and "ahh" over hearing you're an attending at U Wisc cancer center the way they might from yale (and students may not get as excited seeing it in the sig of an IMG grad) but those is the know will realize that its actually rather an impressive place.

To talk about "Ivy league" in medicine is a little like the 50's sitcom wife talking about "touchdowns" in baseball. You're bringing together two different things, honey.


So:
1)"ivy league" is a non-issue for medicine rankings. That is no indicator of the medical program.
2) yes where you graduate from does give you levrage even among the US allopathic schools but
3)using undergraduate ivy league rankings to rank med school is the wrong measure.

[Daniel]

thank you for your response steph.

i generally agree with what you are saying about quality of education at different places. i guess that applies to specific departments as well. for instance, a family practice residency somewhere in oregon may be better than the one at hopkins...but everyone seems to be impressed with the hopkins name.

but that doesnt make hopkins a bad place...not at all. lol. we all know that its reputation is great.

what i disagree with you is the fact that the ivy league is NOT merely a designation for undergrad schools. no...the ivy league is a collection of 8 schools banded together originally for the purposes of athletic competition all-the-while maintaining high academic standards. over the years, they have banded together to have similar policies...like offering no athletic scholarships etc.

the ivy league is precisely a collection of 8 schools...undergrad, grad and professional schools inclusive. it does NOT refer only to undergrad programs. a harvard medical school alumnus is still considered an ivy league alumnus. similarly, a yale divinity school alumna is still an ivy league alumna. point being....the designation is used to describe people at the 8 institutions at all levels...not just undergrads. in any case, from my experience, most ivy programs...law, business, medicine...and their related institutions are excellent.

it just struck me as exciting/odd that a spot opened up at DHMC. it would be like hearing of a spot at hopkins dermatology all of a sudden opening up. its just struck me as something interesting, thats all.

i know that you have lots of pride in sgu...and i'm glad that you do. and i'm glad that sgu grads land great residencies...i never implied that they couldnt/didnt.

[stephew]

i know daniel. But my point really is that being in the undergrad ivy league "says something" about the program. Not so much in medical school. its not a good evaluation of the program. But you said it right: people get impressed by names. I merely encourage pre-professionals to get to know which names to be impressed by!

Dartmouth is a good program btw. They've taken many sgu students as well as has Brown (to keep with the ivy theme).