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Old 07-07-2005, 03:18 PM
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I spoke with a couple of people in the MEAS office today and was told some information that i'm having a hard time coming to grips with.

I first asked about AUC's pass rate for step 1s and interestingly enough i was told the FIRST attempt pass rate for AUC students who took the test last year was 86%...this blew me away, so to make sure that I didn't hear wrong i asked if they were sure, and they repeated that was the number they were giving out about the first time students took the test. Does that seem a little inflated to any of you??? If that were true, then AUC has a higher pass rate than the avg pass rate for US medical schools…

The second question i asked them had to do with residencies that AUC students were getting into...and something interesting came up. I was told that MANY programs preferred AUC students over US students...now i can understand if they were choosing b/t two students and the AUC student had better board scores, gpa, etc, but they were trying to tell me that even with comparable credentials, AUC students were getting more competitive residency placements and were more preferred over US student...how that sound to you all?

Someone please tell me if this is all marketing garbage b/c i'm having a tough time believing what the people in that office are saying.
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Old 07-07-2005, 05:04 PM
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I spoke with a couple of people in the MEAS office today and was told some information that i'm having a hard time coming to grips with.

I first asked about AUC's pass rate for step 1s and interestingly enough i was told the FIRST attempt pass rate for AUC students who took the test last year was 86%...this blew me away, so to make sure that I didn't hear wrong i asked if they were sure, and they repeated that was the number they were giving out about the first time students took the test. Does that seem a little inflated to any of you??? If that were true, then AUC has a higher pass rate than the avg pass rate for US medical schools…
its been quoted on here several times.....first time pass rate for auc is somewhere around mid 80%

as reported by first aid, in 2003 the first time allopathic pass rate for US/canada was 93%.....we're still under that so i dont know what you mean by having the higher average pass rate than US schools.

as for residencies, it will depend on how your scores are, how hard you work, etc. You have more doors open to you as a US student but yes there are grads in competitive residencies.

AUC is a good second chance option.....for people who have what it takes but screwed up somewhere along the line so didnt get into a US school right away. You'll hear a lot of crap from people with "connections" but all in all AUC should not be your first choice over a US med school.....as for preparin course wise.....yeh its good
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80 or 86 percent, it shouldn't matter. Just don't be in the 14-20 percent.
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as for pass rate...i'd say it's about 80% or so...give or take. It's definitely lower than US schools like swimguy said.

As for comparable credentials and getting the same 'competitive' residencies...I still think that MOST (close to 95% if not more) would take a US medical student vs. a FMG...assuming that you didn't do any rotations there and they're basing you solely on paperwork.

If you've done rotations there and they love you...and you've got similar credentials as a US student...It would make sense that they'd prefer you over a US counterpart.
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I spoke with a couple of people in the MEAS office today and was told some information that i'm having a hard time coming to grips with.

I first asked about AUC's pass rate for step 1s and interestingly enough i was told the FIRST attempt pass rate for AUC students who took the test last year was 86%...this blew me away, so to make sure that I didn't hear wrong i asked if they were sure, and they repeated that was the number they were giving out about the first time students took the test. Does that seem a little inflated to any of you???


Someone please tell me if this is all marketing garbage b/c i'm having a tough time believing what the people in that office are saying.
If I think about myself and 10 of my classmates, no one has failed thusfar...that makes it 100% first time pass rate for our class, no?

And no, the numbers aren't inflated. The pass rate has gone up largely due to the implementation of Kaplan in the 5th semester.

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http://www.valuemd.com/showthread.ph...686#post199686

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USMLE I,II examination pass rates
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You will need to ask the university for their particular information. In
general 65% of the 12,415 first time examinees from Non US and
Non Canadian schools passed the 2003-2004 Step I examination.
42% of the 6,098 Non US/Canadian repeat examinees passed the
2003-2004 step I examination. It is important to pass the examination
on the first try in order to make matching easier.

general IMG USMLE pass rate information
http://www.usmle.org/scores/scores.htm
http://www.usmle.org/scores/2004perf.htm

Residency information
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2005 AUC residency information
http://www.aucmed.edu/students/resid_appts.htm

Total of 141 reported residencies for 2005

Anesthesiology 7
Emergency Medicine 2
Family Practice 50
Internal Medicine 28
Internal Medicine / Emergency Medicine 1
Internal Medicine / Preliminary 1
Neurological Surgery 1
Neurology 1
Obstetrics and Gynecology 6
Pathology 5
Pediatrics 12
Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation 1
Psychiatry 8
Radiology 2
Surgery-General 8
Surgery-Preliminary 5
Transitional Year 2
Transitional Year/Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation 1

General IMG residency match information
http://www.valuemd.com/medicine-1997...hlight=#199742
http://www.scutwork.com/other/match2004/2004advdata.pdf

Residency matching advice for IMGs including H1-B
http://www.usmile.us/resstep.htm

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depends on the site

i think you maybe reading too much into it. the pass rate is probably accurate for whatever portion of last year they looked at and overall anywere from 70-90% would be a good range for each semester.

as for residency placements, i would say main core sites for sgu/auc/ross students would probably prefer one of those over a US student who hasn't rotated there with similar stats simply b/c of the hx with the school. also keep in mind that most of the hospitals affiliated with carib school are community or county facilities that may not attract many US students so we may have an advantage at these places. the hospital gets badly needed help in the form of a US 'educated' (high school college) doctor with no visa issues and english as a first language. i've already gotten complaints from patients about not understanding doctors with thick accents (not that they are bad or inferior just communicating with pts) and can see the benefits to small facilities that would not otherwise attract US (citizenship wise) doctors.

the first day during orientation we were told that just being there made us candidates for residency and that they actively recruit students and want us to stay on into residency and beyond. this is proven by the many faculty and staff from sgu and auc that i see every day.
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Be careful about having a Kaplan Course integrated into your 5th semester. Ross used to do that in Miami and they almost lost their federal loan elegibility because of it. Years ago there were some news articals about this topic and how Ross was pressured to get rid of the integrated review program since the govt was not going to sponsor students taking a review course.

Just a warning,

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If I think about myself and 10 of my classmates, no one has failed thusfar...that makes it 100% first time pass rate for our class, no?

And no, the numbers aren't inflated. The pass rate has gone up largely due to the implementation of Kaplan in the 5th semester.

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Be careful about having a Kaplan Course integrated into your 5th semester. Ross used to do that in Miami and they almost lost their federal loan elegibility because of it. Years ago there were some news articals about this topic and how Ross was pressured to get rid of the integrated review program since the govt was not going to sponsor students taking a review course.

Just a warning,

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MitchDC,

Yeah...didn't know about that at Ross. That's definitely something for AUC admin to consider.

It may affect loan eligibility, but it shouldn't affect licensure in any way, shape or form (I hope....)

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MitchDC,

Yeah...didn't know about that at Ross. That's definitely something for AUC admin to consider.

It may affect loan eligibility, but it shouldn't affect licensure in any way, shape or form (I hope....)

ALoha,
Yeah but we have other classes during 5th semester so that might even it out.
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