***Official Auc 2008 Match Thread***

[awdc]

Originally Posted by Lmp

You had someone match into Emergency Medicine at New York Presby Cornell/Columbia. That is extremely impressive!! That program has only taken one FMG ever and that was in the program's first year. I knew that FMG personally (from St. Georges) and he told me that his program director was determined to only take US grads and that FMG's were shunned upon very heavily. The person from your school that matched there must have done something very spectacular or had a major connection. Congrats!!!!!

There was a Ross grad in that program, too but I don't remember which year. Seriously though, there are so many EM programs that interview IMG's that's not reflected on the match lists of AUC, SGU, or Ross because the same IMG applicants who do get interviews practically interviews at a lot of the same programs (at least that's what happened with my class at Ross). Good thing our top choices were all different.

Congrats to all! Good job with the EM matches!

[DrShikima]

Originally Posted by AssyrianSkipper

it could be a Research year that someone reported to AUC

skipper

Which would mean that it wasn't residency if it were research. As far as I know, there aren't any ACGME residencies which have you start residency, stop in the middle for research and then begin again (there used to be for general surgery and neurosurgery but I believe those are being phased out and those residents still took call and saw patients in clinic).

No, I just don't buy it that it is a residency. I agree that the KY is a mistake and perhaps should say KS, but I believe there was embellishment to include future hopes of cardiology after IM residency at said place.

[Skipper]

Originally Posted by Shikima

Which would mean that it wasn't residency if it were research. As far as I know, there aren't any ACGME residencies which have you start residency, stop in the middle for research and then begin again (there used to be for general surgery and neurosurgery but I believe those are being phased out and those residents still took call and saw patients in clinic).

No, I just don't buy it that it is a residency. I agree that the KY is a mistake and perhaps should say KS, but I believe there was embellishment to include future hopes of cardiology after IM residency at said place.

or like I said the person reported a RESEARCH year to AUC as a residency match

skipper

[rokshana]

Originally Posted by Shikima

Which would mean that it wasn't residency if it were research. As far as I know, there aren't any ACGME residencies which have you start residency, stop in the middle for research and then begin again (there used to be for general surgery and neurosurgery but I believe those are being phased out and those residents still took call and saw patients in clinic).

No, I just don't buy it that it is a residency. I agree that the KY is a mistake and perhaps should say KS, but I believe there was embellishment to include future hopes of cardiology after IM residency at said place.

actually there is a way

Research Pathway Policies & Requirements | Become Certified by ABIM | American Board of Internal Medicine

i remember meeting someone on the interview trail who was doing it, but didn't realize how they got into that path.

[DrShikima]

Originally Posted by rokshana

actually there is a way

Research Pathway Policies & Requirements | Become Certified by ABIM | American Board of Internal Medicine

i remember meeting someone on the interview trail who was doing it, but didn't realize how they got into that path.

I don't think so. At the very end it states :

"Impact of Changing from the Research Pathway
Internal medicine

Trainees who change their career path from internal medicine researcher to internal medicine clinician will not be eligible for the internal medicine Certification examination with less than three years of standard clinical training."

I understand what you are saying Skipper, however, if this is true in any form that listing should be removed.

Please do correct me here, but as far as I understand, there is no match for research jobs; only applying for them. I don't know the finer points of this as I've never been a program director, and I do know that people have been given research positions with clinical duties (this was for GS) and ultimately he ended up in a prelim position and then categorical the following year.

But as I say, I don't buy it. I firmly believe that this person is in an IM residency slot and decided to add in the Cards subspecialty at the last second. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.... but it just smells like this is happening with this declairation for appointment.

[rokshana]

found this, so there IS a way to short track to the subspecialty training...just don't know how competitive it its to do....

not really any shorter than doing 3 years IM/ 3 years subspecialty- but if you are reseach minded, i guess it would be an option.

The Yale Physician-Scientist Residency Pathway involves “short tracking” into subspecialty training according the following sequence:

1. 24 months internal medicine residency training (including 20 months of direct patient responsibility).
2. 12-24 months subspecialty clinical training (in accord with clinical training requirements of respective subspecialties).
3. 36 months research training (at least 80% time commitment).
4. Ambulatory clinic during research training (10% effort, typically one half day per week).

Yale offers clinical and research training in all subspecialties of Internal Medicine.

[rokshana]

Originally Posted by Shikima

I don't think so. At the very end it states :

"Impact of Changing from the Research Pathway
Internal medicine

Trainees who change their career path from internal medicine researcher to internal medicine clinician will not be eligible for the internal medicine Certification examination with less than three years of standard clinical training.".

i think that is if you decide not to continue with the reseach portion of the pathway, not that you can't get a IM/subspecialty fellowship together.

[DrShikima]

Sure Rokshana, I see where you are going with that.

However, I think we all can agree we are digressing with this discussion. The point at hand is not MD/PhD programs or other programs in other states, rather specifically, is this appointment true or false.

I've given my reasons on why this is false, although I cannot disagree with what you've given explainations on. I believe those situations do not apply here and that AUC needs to recontact that person and have the matching email that was sent out for those who matched, forwarded to AUC so the correct information as it is spelled out in said email will be displayed.

If indeed this person didn't match and is doing research, that listing needs to be removed. If indeed the person did match IM, then it should go under the rest of the IM listings. If indeed the person did match IM with a direct pathway into cards because of contacts/nepotism/etc, it should still be listed under the IM category because that person still needs to finish 3 years of IM and then enter the fellowship for Cards (which is long after the initial match results).

Leaving that on the list really puts a skew that isn't correct.

[CaptainInsaneO]

This is what you are not comprehending. There are programs where you get a Cards fellowship in 5 years via IM instead of 6 years. That is why it is a separate category.

Originally Posted by Shikima

If indeed this person didn't match and is doing research, that listing needs to be removed. If indeed the person did match IM, then it should go under the rest of the IM listings. If indeed the person did match IM with a direct pathway into cards because of contacts/nepotism/etc, it should still be listed under the IM category because that person still needs to finish 3 years of IM and then enter the fellowship for Cards (which is long after the initial match results).

Leaving that on the list really puts a skew that isn't correct.

[CaptainInsaneO]

Here is one such program: Washington University School of Medicine: Application

There are many others with subtle differences but by year 3, you are a fellow...

It is a research track, though.

---> another example: University of Chicago Internal Medicine Residency Program - Research Pathway Program