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Old 02-29-2008, 03:43 AM
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While some complaining is going on (being in the caribbean, the profs, etc), I think there were some vaild concerns expressed about the organization of the MCB classes. Unlike the former problems, which have no remedy, there is no reason to settle for chaos in MCB as the material could be rearranged in a meaningful way easily.

Cell biology, Genetics, and Biochemistry were not such bad classes that a rush into the MCB change was needed, IMO. I am glad that they are slowly integrating the material, but that seems like something that could have been done in meetings before the students were impacted.
they were discussed and planned as far back as before september of 2005 when the planning originally began for the curriculum revision and clinical science integration but there is really only so much that can be talked about and many things that are unforeseen in planning come up during execution regardless of how long you plan or discuss things. and i only know this because the school actually sent faculty to various clinical sites to interview students on what changes needed to be made to the basic science curriculum so what you guys have now was our suggestions put into practice and going by the description of the changes it seems like almost 100% of the things we suggested are being implemented.

this goes once more to illustrate how hard it is to get a concensus amongst students, and that no matter what, we as students will complain and think things should be done different because what you guys have now is what our "dream curriculum" was. i imagine if you change it to your version of med school nirvana the class that comes in 2 years from now will think you were on crack huh?

change is rough but we will all be part of change in curriculum, procedures, burocracy, management and so on many many many times over in our careers so get used to it. not to mention when you get up to management and make changes the youngsters under you will think you are as much of an idiot as we assume admin to be
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Old 02-29-2008, 03:51 AM
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You make a lot of good points and I'll admit that I didn't know that some other US schools had rotations problems - I thought they were all pretty much guaranteed.


Well the schools I applied to all had patient contact. And MD students (my first choice school) are in the hospital from the first semester. My friend who is there loves the experience she's getting. And, whether they like their experience or not, I bet they'd prefer what they're doing to sitting in ICM for 2 hrs. doing introductions on a spouse or upper semester for 15 minutes, then spending the rest of the time listening to other people fumble through introductions. Anything with a real patient would be nice. Again, I can only base this on what I've seen, but what I've seen is a lot better.



If they're going electronic, that's great. But, AUC is not going electronic, and is still very small.


I've lived my whole life with 4 seasons and an often very cold winter. I like the cold, love skiing, and I miss the seasons.


Well honestly, I didn't know any US students had those problems. But, even if they do, they only have a couple of major issues...we pretty much have them all. And at least when they graduate, they're US graduates.



I guess we'll see once I leave here. But, for the time being, I hate it with a passion and I'd love to get that shirt! I can think of much better places to be in school though. Maybe every US school isn't significantly better, but some are. The only thing that I like about being in school here is that I hate being here and I don't think there's much of anything to do. Because of that, I have few distractions and study a lot more than I think I'd be able to if I were in school at home.

Out of curiosity, why did you dislike the french more than the dutch locals? I find the dutch locals to be just as bad - if not worse. And, you have to deal with the a lot more often.
yea you make some good arguments too and i agree with some like the library being too small. but suffice it to say auc is what it is not as good over all as most US med schools but certainly better than many and at the end of the day regardless of what scenery is outside your door chances are you will get where you wanna be from either one

as far as clinical exposure from day 1...i don't see the use of it to a first semester student other than to say you put on a tiny white coat and have "patients" to see..basically bragging to your friends and family about your "patients". you have no idea what is going on inside the body, medications, etc until probably 3rd semester or so...not to mention the fact that a great deal of your real live patients present nothing like what the book says nor how usmle questions are presented and i think its a double waste of your time to "see" patients from day 1.

just like everything else some will like it some will not..i've also met students who contrasted every point i made but my point was to show you guys that not every US student is happy and go lucky with their education and many are just as misserable and whine about the same things as yo9u guys.
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