There are a ton of teaching hospitals all over the place. I'd like to know why Wcykoff is giving the spots to another school? Is AUC maybe not paying on time (something which I've heard from multiple people has occurred on multiple accounts in the past).

Regardless of what happens with this law suit, AUC should be looking elsewhere. Clearly, most students there are very unhappy with the quality of the rotation. Also, there is a wait for many of the more in demand spots. Maybe it would be a good idea to just secure more desirable rotations! Pretty sure US students don't have to sit around and wait for decent rotations to come up.

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The Court Filings (see link earlier) list Brooklyn Queens Healthcare, Inc. as a Defendant.

Is this the same "Queens" that was part of SGU's exclusive HHC NY deal?

being near the dean of clinicals has some advantages. overall by far the vast majority of applicants to AUC come from california, michigan, and new york....that being the case and knowing how anal retentive we are as students about doing rotations "close to home" is what dictates where the school has put efforts into getting hospitals, there have been new sites added in the south, not enough in my opinion but being that more than a third of green book rotations are in new york, michigan has huge issues right now with wayne state probably leaving the DMC so hospitals are not really looking for foreign partners pending what will happen there plus a hospital here is opening up a allopath med school, and that california is fairly stagnant in giving out hospital contracts i am afraid new york is the likely place for more hospitals.

i agree that they should try more in the west and south but i have been told that when those were available students complained about wanting to be closer to home i just say do whatever it takes to have enough slots..med students are gonna whine and beach no matter what

you do see the smaller schools bragging about contracts in arizona and other places but chances are very high that those are not true acgme rotations or that the number of slots is severely limited and the other issue is that auc, not sure about ross or sgu, needs a comittement to have a min number of students taken..someone said 12 but not sure and many of the hospitals you see the smaller schools securing can only take 1-4 sudents at a time to fill in spots not taken by US students or its all out not a green book rotation

auc had a site in louisiana that the hospital decided not to renew the contract but also there was some issues filling those spots so what it comes down to is you gotta go where the money is at and if your students come from new york

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rotating and teaching wayne, michigan state, poma, and kmc students and what they say is that the same as us they get a list of what rotations they want with a few alternatives and are handed a schedule. most of the time its ok but if there is a location or rotation they want and there is no room they either wait or find one on thier own at another site. the huge benefit they have is that any hospital will take them for an elective

i have also repeatedly asked for anyone that has problems with clinicals to PM me over the last year and a half because i can goto the source directly and even though there are rumors here and there of people not being treated properly in clinicals there have been zero emails to me

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Basically this tells me that our 4th semester January class is totally screwed for 2010 match if we loose these 3 hospitals. Perfect!!!!

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This whole thing is an interesting development.

About SGU's deal, supposedly the contract was supposed to be exclusive, meaning Ross would lose Queens hospital center and Kings County Hospital, however i personally know of students who are still rotating thru Kings, and still being SCHEDULED there by Ross. So I dunno how "exclusive" these contracts are, and I'm sure AUC students will still be allowed to rotate at AUC affiliate hospitals. Noone was "evicted" from Kings County and Queens Hospital center when the "exclusive" deal went down...

Best of luck to you all..

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Actually according to the brief, AUC has paid up front. What happened was that a couple of years ago, Brooklyn-Queens Healthcare, which operates Caritas, was going bankrupt and Wyckoff offered to buy it out. The needed the money and made a proposal to AUC. AUC agreed to give Wyckoff $3.5 million in exchange for guaranteed slots of 50 cores and 20 electives until the debt including interest was paid off, which would be the end of 2009. According to the suit, Ross has recently made a proposal to Wyckoff and Wyckoff is trying to buy out the guaranteed slots, however, AUC is pointing to the fact that they're slots are contractually guaranteed until the end of 2009, and are not interested in a buy out, because they know that many students need those slots for those who are in a tight situation to make the match for their respective years.

For example it points to that in order to make the match by this year, for those currently applying for it, they must finish all rotations by June 5th, if they are to start residency by July 1st. However, deleting these sites (which include Wyckoff and the two hospitals under Caritas) it would be impossible for those students to set up other rotations and finish them on time. Furthermore, since they would no longer be enrolled in school once they do finish and they would have to wait for the next match, this would trigger repayment on their loans.

Basically it comes down to Wyckoff (and Caritas) trying to cancel a contract because another school has made a bigger offer, even though AUC was the only school which put up this money, for Wyckoff to be able to buy out a healthcare system that operates two hospitals which we rotate at, over a year ago.

On a plus side, it's nice to see that AUC is fighting for us (at least for those who want to rotate at Wyckoff, and Caritas so they can make the match)

btw- the two hospital under Caritas are: Mary Immaculate and St. John's Queens hospital.

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no different queens, this one is part of Caritas, the ones SGU has are not.

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If you fail at AUC, SGU, or Ross why not transfer to SMU, if you fail at SMU, why not try another SMU.

Agreed...it is nice to see AUC fighting for its students. But, it would be even nicer to see AUC dump Wyckoff and get new (and better) rotations.

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AUC is definitely trying to be an advocate for the students right now, and fight this. It's unfortunate that it is happening, but sounds more like a money game within the hospitals. It doesn't appear that the hospitals are financially stable, and may be looking for the most lucrative deal. Hopefully at the end of this, AUC's contract will be honored and the students won't suffer.

For those that are constantly negative on AUC for keeping Wyckoff and the two Caritas hospitals, you have to remember that they do have accredited ACGME residency programs, and have had students for many years. They are not the most aesthetically pleasing hospitals at all, and they do have a fair share of problems. You can get great teaching there. You may have to be more pro-active, and show interest, but you will be fine. When you apply for residency, all of the other hospitals will probably look more appealing and have more solid programs. You will realize that you are moving on to bigger and better things, and that rotating at these hospitals only may have made you stronger.

As a 4th year, I must say that for students whom are in basic sciences, it's good to be aware of what's going on, but to constantly criticize AUC on these forums and the hospitals is not going to get you anywhere. Just remember that you are NOT in a US school, and you will have to face challenges ALL along the way. Concentrate on doing WELL on Step 1/2, and you will make it. Try to hold off on the negativity and high expectations, and roll with what comes your way. It will be much easier to get through the next 3 years.