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Old 11-06-2007, 06:33 AM
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Alright I have to say I dont know where this debate ever started but D1 university grades are much more impressive than community college grades. While yes my senior year intermediate volleyball class may have been a bit easier to get an A in than a community college calculus class a comparison should not even be drawn. The credentials nescessary to teach at a community college are dismal most not even requiring a PHD. There is a reason why the sign to Catonsville Community College Near my house has the inscription below it "Catonsville Community College the Place Where Dreams Go to Die" actually thats not true just a baltimore joke which no one will get. On a serious note one of my classmates from undergrad scored a 33 on his mcat and had a 3.7 gpa and no md school would even give him an interview because he did orgo 1 and 2, physics 1 and 2, and his biochems over the summer at a community college. He did get accepted to a DO school in Flordia but was told in the interview that taking community college core science classes made it look like he was taking the easy road and they wonder if he could handle a real course load and still excel.
I call BULLPOOP!
It's not such a good idea to insult your fellow students education just to make yourself feel better about your dismal scores. But I already went through this in another post. Just remember that there is a large number of people that don't go directly to college from high school. After so long out of school you basically have to go to a CC first, then transfer to a Uni.
If there was any truth to CC grades not being equivalent to Uni grades, I'm sure grad schools would weigh them differently. As soon as you admit that you are just as flawed as everyone else your wounds will heal and you can move on to achieve your dreams as you fellow students are.


Statements made in interviews regarding possible short comings are usually an attempt to see how one responds to the criticism. Just as we will be criticized for our education, your friend will be for his DO. This was possibly an attempt to see how he would handle such statements...would he defend with pride and honor or cower in shame, and disgust of his own accomplishments.
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Are you kidding me I am not making them feel below me I know a lot of people transfer but the fact remains it looks bad taking your core science classes at a community college as opposed to a real university. Besides transfering from a community college to a 4 year college does not mean you have to take your science classes at the community college. How does recieving an A in a community college class where students dont even have to take an SAT equal an A in a University or 4 year college where the rest of the class is averaging above 1300's on their SAT. More importantly the fact remains if you have a 3.7 gpa and a 33 on your mcat but achieve these feats throgh taking diminished course loads and going to school all year round it does look bad, in fact it looks lazy. If you are a university student and taking your harder classes at communitiy college during the summer how does that look good? So by your reasoing we could have all been criminology or theology majors had 4.0 gpas with minimal effort while taking 9 credits a semester, gone to school year round to reduce our course load and had plenty of time to study for the mcat, and according to your logic we would be just as competitve as any other medical school applicant. I am not saying people that go to community college are stupid so dont come here acting like you know me and I have to put people down to make up for my short comings. We are here giving advice to incoming potential students and if they want a better chance of acceptance and a better chance at excelling once they get here they should be taking those tougher "core" classes at someplace they will be challenged to at least a somewhat comparable degree to their future coursework as doctors. If everyone wants a padded reality and a cookie just for playing I can do that too, but I think people should hear the truth.
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Old 11-06-2007, 11:51 AM
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PS since you think I am so stupid and am just tyring to put people down OCdauc you should read this from the University of Maryland about classes and community college courses Pre-Health Professions Advising Office - University of Maryland a similar summary in given in the US NEWs report on medical schools for 2005-2006 if you want to read that too. So you probably shouldnt make up for the fact you had dismal scores as well, by acting like a know it all telling people false information, but hey thats just my 2 cents.

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Old 11-06-2007, 11:52 AM
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Old 11-06-2007, 12:01 PM
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I call BULLPOOP!
It's not such a good idea to insult your fellow students education just to make yourself feel better about your dismal scores. But I already went through this in another post. Just remember that there is a large number of people that don't go directly to college from high school. After so long out of school you basically have to go to a CC first, then transfer to a Uni.
If there was any truth to CC grades not being equivalent to Uni grades, I'm sure grad schools would weigh them differently. As soon as you admit that you are just as flawed as everyone else your wounds will heal and you can move on to achieve your dreams as you fellow students are.


Statements made in interviews regarding possible short comings are usually an attempt to see how one responds to the criticism. Just as we will be criticized for our education, your friend will be for his DO. This was possibly an attempt to see how he would handle such statements...would he defend with pride and honor or cower in shame, and disgust of his own accomplishments.
You may have already addressed this, but you were likely wrong then, as well. This has nothing to do with anyone admitting their flaws. The simple truth is that no matter what people want to think, CC courses do not equal University courses. You may have had a great professor in community college and a very difficult course, but that doesn't mean that they're all viewed equally! If you really believe that they're viewed equally by med school admissions committees, then all I can tell you is you need to do some more research and check your sources.

Anyone in the caribbean med schools should know this concept by now! We are not any less prepared than US students and get essentially all the same info., but we're clearly not regarded as equal when we return to the US for residency! Again, you may disagree with me, but you'd be wrong.

People come here looking for advice, and the only correct advice to give on the matter is that community college courses should be avoided, if possible. They may not hurt everywhere, but they're not going to help anywhere.
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Old 11-06-2007, 12:41 PM
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How does recieving an A in a community college class where students dont even have to take an SAT equal an A in a University or 4 year college where the rest of the class is averaging above 1300's on their SAT.
Relevance???? I'm not making the rules. The powers that be say an A is an A.

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More importantly the fact remains if you have a 3.7 gpa and a 33 on your mcat but achieve these feats throgh taking diminished course loads and going to school all year round it does look bad, in fact it looks lazy. If you are a university student and taking your harder classes at communitiy college during the summer how does that look good?
I don't remember seeing this scenario in your post...my bad?

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So by your reasoing we could have all been criminology or theology majors had 4.0 gpas with minimal effort while taking 9 credits a semester, gone to school year round to reduce our course load and had plenty of time to study for the mcat, and according to your logic we would be just as competitve as any other medical school applicant.
Maybe I came into the conversation late, but where are these scenarios in your post?
Maybe your friend did this, but I don't know a single person that took a light load in CC or at Uni. Most people in my limited world were taking at least 20 cr whether CC or uni, and working at least part time.

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I am not saying people that go to community college are stupid so dont come here acting like you know me and I have to put people down to make up for my short comings. We are here giving advice to incoming potential students and if they want a better chance of acceptance and a better chance at excelling once they get here they should be taking those tougher "core" classes at someplace they will be challenged to at least a somewhat comparable degree to their future coursework as doctors.
I took all but biochem at CC and found that they were not at all easier. Actually, I think that the CC prepared me very well for these classes.

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If everyone wants a padded reality and a cookie just for playing I can do that too, but I think people should hear the truth.
As you see it.

I was merely enlightening the audience to my point of view.
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Old 11-06-2007, 12:47 PM
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You may have already addressed this, but you were likely wrong then, as well. This has nothing to do with anyone admitting their flaws. The simple truth is that no matter what people want to think, CC courses do not equal University courses. You may have had a great professor in community college and a very difficult course, but that doesn't mean that they're all viewed equally! If you really believe that they're viewed equally by med school admissions committees, then all I can tell you is you need to do some more research and check your sources.

Anyone in the caribbean med schools should know this concept by now! We are not any less prepared than US students and get essentially all the same info., but we're clearly not regarded as equal when we return to the US for residency! Again, you may disagree with me, but you'd be wrong.

People come here looking for advice, and the only correct advice to give on the matter is that community college courses should be avoided, if possible. They may not hurt everywhere, but they're not going to help anywhere.
ummm No..I'm not wrong. I'm sharing my experience.

I've talked with admissions advisor's and two people on admissions committees, all of whom stated that CC classes are fine as long as I took one class at Uni.
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Old 11-06-2007, 03:33 PM
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I am not arguing with you anymore your wrong and i provided examples of credible sources backing me up, while you are just giving your personal experience. I am happy things are working out for you but dont compare your life to everyone elses. People can take your advice or my advice which is the same advice given to me by numerous premedical advisors, doctors in the field, and even documented in the US news book. I hope the readers keep in mind that your other posts also recommend moderate steroid use and admitted to using them in the past two double stupid things to write as a future doctor who is supposed to be a model of professionalism. Your out of unintelligent comment cards with me, three strikes is my limit. I know its not your fault its probably the roids speaking so I wont hold this interaction against you. <3
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Old 11-06-2007, 05:08 PM
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Is it ok to take pre-med requirements at community college? How do medical schools feel about pre-med courses taken at community colleges?

The answer isn't clearcut. The level of the coursework at community colleges is certainly comparable; you'll cover the same topics in the same depth as you would in the equivalent courses at the UW. However, grades tend to run higher at community colleges than in comparable courses at the UW. Because of this, we recommend that you complete at least some of the pre-med requirements a four-year school, so that medical schools can more easily compare your grades to those of other applicants.
... If you plan to complete a science major, you will have some advanced science coursework completed at a four-year school and the medical schools can also use those grades to evaluate your performance in science courses.
The bottom line is that you should take the pre-med courses where ever it is best for you to take them. This doesn't mean where you can get the highest grades, but where you will learn the material as well as possible. If community college is the best place for you now, take the pre-med courses there. The important thing is that you start the pre-med courses early and master the material well.
From UW Advising - Pre-Medicine for Transfer Students

I think this covers all of our points ( well mostly).
CC's are (can be) quality institutions that provide comparable education to Uni's. But with that said, you should not go to CC just to get an easier grade.

I'm not going to quote every school, but a good majority have [nearly] the same thing posted on their web sites, including UofM.

I'm actually the only one (there were 5 in all) in my physics lab group that didn't get into a US med school. Seeing that we all had premed courses from CC, the only real difference in our aps were their far superior GPA and MCAT.
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