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For reference: STUDENT PROFILE FOR 2006
American University of the Caribbean

90% are U.S. Citizen or permanent resident
4% are Canadians
6% are International
40% are Female students
60% are Male students
98% have Bachelor's degree or pending degree
7% have Master's degree
0% have Doctorate degree
Average Cumulative GPA: 3.2
Average Science GPA: 3.1
Average MCAT: 23



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a "C" is not better than the average medical student...and again...for a US med student, P is allowed to = MD...for a caribbean student, it may =MD, but it may not = residency...and without that...the MD is worthless...

and a 3.0 in med school...is crap.

and as an interviewer for sgu...i would recommend foundations or at least AEP...he had almost 1/2 point drop....and thats with the easy classes in med school...if he's barely making it through 1st yr, how will he adapt for the (considerably harder) 2nd yr...so yes, i would expect him to explain why his performance in the post bac classes was less than his performance as an UG...and the answer of i had to work and didn't balance my time properly or my grade on my thesis paper (suggesting that it was the grader that is at fault not the gradee) was the issue are not acceptable answers...he s not taking responsibility for his work and evidently didn't learn anything from...what shows me that is not going to be the medicore aspiring med student that shows up for 1st term.

yet he had time for "tons" of shadowing and research, etc...those things are fine and dandy as an addition to a good gpa and a good mcat, but it doesn't replace a "fix bad ones...the mcat shows that he has potential, but when you look at prospectives, you have to ask 2 questions, will they pass the steps and will they pass the classes...his mcat shows he can do the former, but his inconsistency in his courses put a question on the latter....

Originally Posted by rokshana

a "C" is not better than the average medical student...and again...for a US med student, P is allowed to = MD...for a caribbean student, it may =MD, but it may not = residency...and without that...the MD is worthless...

and a 3.0 in med school...is crap.

and as an interviewer for sgu...i would recommend foundations or at least AEP...he had almost 1/2 point drop....and thats with the easy classes in med school...if he's barely making it through 1st yr, how will he adapt for the (considerably harder) 2nd yr...so yes, i would expect him to explain why his performance in the post bac classes was less than his performance as an UG...and the answer of i had to work and didn't balance my time properly or my grade on my thesis paper (suggesting that it was the grader that is at fault not the gradee) was the issue are not acceptable answers...he s not taking responsibility for his work and evidently didn't learn anything from...what shows me that is not going to be the medicore aspiring med student that shows up for 1st term.

Two honors + two high passes + two passes = better than the average medical student. Am I wrong?

At AUC, ~90% of those who graduate match (AUC Match Information | My.Plasticity). Note that I said 90% of those who JUST graduate not 90% of those who EXCEL. (Also, I suspect that those who didn't match probably could have, had they gone about the match more wisely.) I think that we can assume from CMT2MD's performance in med school that he would, at the very least, be able to pass all his courses and graduate. If I were on admissions, I would feel much better about his chances than I would about someone who has no record of relative success in med school.

Originally Posted by PreMed74

Uh so doing better than average in most of his classes means that he can't handle med school classes!? Why don't you just admit that you get off on discouraging people? (BTW, he would almost certainly get into St. George's, and you know it. That 3.0 isn't even part of his undergrad gpa...and we're talking about a 3.0 in MEDSCHOOL...how could you hold it against him for performing above the average medstudent?)

Thanks, I appreciate your thoughts. He/she is kind of a trolling slightly. I am not even paying attention to it. Even if he/she thought I had red flags, they could have said so without being rude and condescending. As I said, it is a long story as to why I am looking at Caribbean schools, not because I got rejected after the post bacc. I was pretty sure I had a chance at least at ROSS, wasn't sure about the others.

Originally Posted by CMT2MD

Thanks, I appreciate your thoughts. He/she is kind of a trolling slightly. I am not even paying attention to it. Even if he/she thought I had red flags, they could have said so without being rude and condescending. As I said, it is a long story as to why I am looking at Caribbean schools, not because I got rejected after the post bacc. I was pretty sure I had a chance at least at ROSS, wasn't sure about the others.

lol....i'm not that difficult to find sweetie...its not like my sn here is a disguise...you were expecting everyone here to be *impressed* with your stats and just a bit peeved that i'm not...andthe "long" story thing as to why you didn't do well when you had a chance to prove yourself to a US md school and and didnt succeed...just tells me that you think outside forces were at work and you are not taking personal responsiblity for your own education...

the caribbean is not an easy route to go...and in the next few years (heck even now) only the best and the brightest coming out of the caribbean will succeed in obtaining a residency...be a mediocore med student coming out of the carib and you WILL struggle to get a residency...and you haven't shown me anything here that you won't be just a middle of the road med student...

Originally Posted by rokshana

lol....i'm not that difficult to find sweetie...its not like my sn here is a disguise...you were expecting everyone here to be *impressed* with your stats and just a bit peeved that i'm not...andthe "long" story thing as to why you didn't do well when you had a chance to prove yourself to a US md school and and didnt succeed...and just tells me that you think outside forces were at work and you are not taking personal responsiblity for your own education...

the caribbean is not an easy route to go...and in the next few year (heck even now) only the best and the brightest coming out of the caribbean will succeed in obtaining a residency...be a mediocore med student coming out of the carib and you WILL struggle to get a residency...and you haven't shown me anything here that you won't be just a middle of the road med student...

LOL! Well, first off, 3.0 is not a "c" as you put it. It is a B. And yes, I got a B overall for my first year in med school. You are so off base about the assumptions you have made it isn't even funny. Of course everyone has red flags, or we wouldn't be applying to caribbean. BTW, I don't care about how well you did in your post bacc... I was not looking for anyone to be impressed about anything, how can you be, I only got a B. This whole thread is to post stats and then talk about them. It is not like I am randomly inserting my stats into a discussion that has nothing to do about them, kind of like what you did with your post bacc experience. The reason why I have never joined these threads is because of people like you. Have a good day.

Originally Posted by CMT2MD

LOL! Well, first off, 3.0 is not a "c" as you put it. It is a B. And yes, I got a B overall for my first year in med school. You are so off base about the assumptions you have made it isn't even funny. Of course everyone has red flags, or we wouldn't be applying to caribbean. BTW, I don't care about how well you did in your post bacc... I was not looking for anyone to be impressed about anything, how can you be, I only got a B. This whole thread is to post stats and then talk about them. It is not like I am randomly inserting my stats into a discussion that has nothing to do about them, kind of like what you did with your post bacc experience. The reason why I have never joined these threads is because of people like you. Have a good day.

I haven't been on here very long, and honestly, I am just now applying to schools like you. I'm a nontrad with a terrible older undergrad record, so I'm not going to pretend I know everything about everything. The thing, as far as I've seen (from looking through this forum for probably about 2 years), is that rokshana is one of the people that gives some of the best advice. It may be harsh advice at times, but its usually the truth. That approach is meant to allow you to really look at your position and judge whether this is what you want and whether you can accomplish it. You need to know that your performance is on you, and not anyone else. You need to know that you are fighting an uphill battle. It will be hard, it will be painful, and in the end your success is based on your maturity and your ability to recognize what's important.

Now I'm not going to say you will not get into the big 4 schools. With your record you may very well get into all of them (based on my hours of peeling through stats and acceptances of people in this forum). That being said, the post bacc doesn't help you. If you applied for them right out of undergrad without the post bacc, you might have been in a better position. Any downward trend is bad, regardless of whether it was in a community college or in a medical school. You may have to explain it, and in all honestly, you should realize that it's your fault. This is the same thing that each one of us has had to come to terms with. We messed up, we didn't prioritize, we didn't time manage properly, we just weren't mature enough.

Also, to clear some things up, you said you got a C in Biochem, so there's the C rokshana was talking about. Some Carib med schools consider B passing, and </=C failing. Some have the cutoffs as high as 74%, so a 3.0 is barely passing and a C could be failing. Sure most are closer to 70% (like AUC), but you don't want to be anywhere close to the cutoff. Being well above average is REQUIRED to pass courses and do well in the match.

Failing a course in the Caribbean could honestly mean an end to your dreams. Not only do some schools kick you out immediately once you fail a course, even if they don't it will be almost impossible for you to match in residency let alone a good residency spot with those kinds of grades. Hopefully that won't happen to you, and you will excel because you will be focused and know what needs to be done. You came here for advice, take it, whether you like it or not.

Rock step 1 then step2x2 and a crab grad has a great shot at landing a residency, even a competitive residencies cannot deny a 264 step 1. Work your hardest and the numbers will guide you the rest of the way. Best O Luck.

what are my changes
cGPA - 3.31
sGPA- 3.39
mcat 26
doing a course to work as a EKG technician for a couple months, letter of recommendarions for Immunology Proffesor and Comparative Animal Physiology

Originally Posted by hallowmann

I haven't been on here very long, and honestly, I am just now applying to schools like you. I'm a nontrad with a terrible older undergrad record, so I'm not going to pretend I know everything about everything. The thing, as far as I've seen (from looking through this forum for probably about 2 years), is that rokshana is one of the people that gives some of the best advice. It may be harsh advice at times, but its usually the truth. That approach is meant to allow you to really look at your position and judge whether this is what you want and whether you can accomplish it. You need to know that your performance is on you, and not anyone else. You need to know that you are fighting an uphill battle. It will be hard, it will be painful, and in the end your success is based on your maturity and your ability to recognize what's important.

Now I'm not going to say you will not get into the big 4 schools. With your record you may very well get into all of them (based on my hours of peeling through stats and acceptances of people in this forum). That being said, the post bacc doesn't help you. If you applied for them right out of undergrad without the post bacc, you might have been in a better position. Any downward trend is bad, regardless of whether it was in a community college or in a medical school. You may have to explain it, and in all honestly, you should realize that it's your fault. This is the same thing that each one of us has had to come to terms with. We messed up, we didn't prioritize, we didn't time manage properly, we just weren't mature enough.

Also, to clear some things up, you said you got a C in Biochem, so there's the C rokshana was talking about. Some Carib med schools consider B passing, and </=C failing. Some have the cutoffs as high as 74%, so a 3.0 is barely passing and a C could be failing. Sure most are closer to 70% (like AUC), but you don't want to be anywhere close to the cutoff. Being well above average is REQUIRED to pass courses and do well in the match.

Failing a course in the Caribbean could honestly mean an end to your dreams. Not only do some schools kick you out immediately once you fail a course, even if they don't it will be almost impossible for you to match in residency let alone a good residency spot with those kinds of grades. Hopefully that won't happen to you, and you will excel because you will be focused and know what needs to be done. You came here for advice, take it, whether you like it or not.

I agree with the above poster. CMT2MD, Rokshana might come off as a little bit condescending but she is like that mean hard-nosed father who is only that way because he really wants to push his kids to perfection. Rokshana tells you things that you might not know regarding success in Caribbean MD programs. She gives you a personalized feedback from not only an admissions committee member POV but also from a ex-student's POV. Honestly you probably will get in to AUC and Ross but it's not really getting in that is the hard part. It is staying in and coming out after 3.5 years with a residency spot. People think that once they get into med school it is a one way road to residency and practice but that is not true for carribean schools. In the coming years, matching from the Caribbean will get marginally harder and apart from your step scores and letters of Rec, your GPA might be the differentiating factor when you are competing with other Carib students for residency spots. Take her advice and don't be disgruntled by it.
But I do have to say that isn't CMT2MD a better applicant in a way because he already has taken Med School classes which he will take again on the Island so by the time he will become MD2 he will really have his study habits down and he has reiterated knowledge in basic subjects. I would take him directly into the program and not MERP him or anything of that sort because he is mostly above those post-bacc classes.
Do evaluate yourself deeply before coming to the Caribbean because it requires endurance on all fronts (Mental, Emotional, Physical, etc) and for that you need to be mature in your decision making.
Good Luck!

Originally Posted by Terp13

I agree with the above poster. CMT2MD, Rokshana might come off as a little bit condescending but she is like that mean hard-nosed father who is only that way because he really wants to push his kids to perfection. Rokshana tells you things that you might not know regarding success in Caribbean MD programs. She gives you a personalized feedback from not only an admissions committee member POV but also from a ex-student's POV. Honestly you probably will get in to AUC and Ross but it's not really getting in that is the hard part. It is staying in and coming out after 3.5 years with a residency spot. People think that once they get into med school it is a one way road to residency and practice but that is not true for carribean schools. In the coming years, matching from the Caribbean will get marginally harder and apart from your step scores and letters of Rec, your GPA might be the differentiating factor when you are competing with other Carib students for residency spots. Take her advice and don't be disgruntled by it.
But I do have to say that isn't CMT2MD a better applicant in a way because he already has taken Med School classes which he will take again on the Island so by the time he will become MD2 he will really have his study habits down and he has reiterated knowledge in basic subjects. I would take him directly into the program and not MERP him or anything of that sort because he is mostly above those post-bacc classes.
Do evaluate yourself deeply before coming to the Caribbean because it requires endurance on all fronts (Mental, Emotional, Physical, etc) and for that you need to be mature in your decision making.
Good Luck!

Can someone give me some feedback on my chances, my post is two threads up!!!