Thread: In what states can your graduates be licensed?

according to its faq on the web site.

"AUA graduates are eligible for licensure in the United States"

from what i heard so far, you can't practice at california, where else?

Picard,

Congrats on reaching 1000 (might I add, very sound) posts.

Miklos

Thank you, I didn't realize that was my 1000th post...

P

Originally Posted by Picard

More specifically for California -- if you had bother to contact Ms. Park who is on this board as a state representative (or at least have read through her various postings... hint: use the search function) -- you would have realized that in the case of California, offshore schools that are not on the "Approved List" are treated the same way as "unapproved/disapproved." This means that unless an offshore school has been officially approved by California (at present only SGU, Ross, AUC, and SABA have), its graduates will NEVER be able to do residency or get licensure in California, regardless of board certification status or how many other states you hold medical licenses. The ineligiblity is absolute and career-long. No loopholes. And many states have adopted the "California List" in the recent years. FSMB is also coming out with a positional statement on offshore schools sometime this year. By all indications, it is going to recommend LCME/California standard for offshore schools.

As for the general question -- how many states can AUA grads be licensed in -- At this time, the answer is ZERO. Until a school has graduates who have succeessfully obtained full, unrestricted licensure in any given state, there is no way to predict how the state boards will react to a new school. Yes, there are states we know that will NOT license AUA grads at this time due to prior similar cases involving other schools or due to outright statutory prohibition because of AUA being new/unapproved. Other states are "maybe" at best now. So, the answer to the question is technically zero now.

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Not necessarily. Good point about AUA being a tenuous proposition for any future med student, but at this time you can't say emphatically that the number of states they can be licensed in is ZERO. We just don't know until their grads go through the licensing process or states start putting them on their unapproved list. Cali has not approved them yet, but note that they have not yet had a formal disapproval yet either. To AUA's advantage, they have seen St Matts get the thumbs down from Cali so hopefully for they can get their act together and do what they need to do so they don't end up like St. Matts.

if even one 1 or 2 unit class is taken at an unapproved medical school, the person requesting licensure in Cali will be denied.

you people and your fsmb. you make so much of it, yet we've been hearing this same nonsense for two decades. nothing has happened, nothing will happen. i respect many of you, picard, teratos, azskeptic, stephew, et al, but the fact is you are taking your hobby to an obsessive, pathological level. it's just not as big as it is in your lives. i know people who went to a wholly unaccredited school for basic sciences, yet they're residents, and yes, despite your doomsday scenarios they will be licensed just fine. people come from all over the world and even sham carib schools and get licensed, it's just not the landmine field you think or want to portray it as.

just tell me the word and i will post names and places of residency of the people i personally know to have gone to an unaccredited school for basic sci and are residents now. no pm's please, let us do this out in the open.

I believe that 100%. There's no doubt in my mind that you can pull off getting a residency coming from a sham school. Well, SOME people can. The point is, these are anecdotal stories (as are most of the ones shared on here), and you can easily find just as many anecdotal stories to support the opposing viewpoint. Getting a residency (not that I've been there, but from what I've learned through loads or research) after the initial scheduling of interviews is as much about selling yourself as anything else, and I think personality has a lot more to do with it than some people would like to believe. Board scores are not everything, or at least I hope they're not, or I'm gonna go crawl under the Family Practice rock for life. Maybe I'm deluding myself, that's a distinct possibility, as we all like to tell ourselves what we want to hear, deep down.

However, attending an approved, established, reputable school always will offer one the best chance at doing what they want to do. It's about odds, not absolutes. I don't know if can absolutely say there has been a med school out there that NEVER had any graduates licensed to practice (IUHS? I dunno, just guessing) anywhere in the US. Just because they don't come to this forum (or others) to answer the roll call doesn't mean they don't exist. Maybe they're too busy treating patients and living the high life???

Oh well.... life goes on, eh?