I've heard ALL SAINTS Medical School has been in the works for a quite while and finally they are opening up in January in Aruba. The President of that school is known for jumping from school to school. To my knowledge St. James, Xaviers, Grace and now his own medical school.

From my previous experience I could tell all of you prospective students to make sure you look into every single details that are possible before you make your decision. That's one of the mistakes I made but now I am dealing with the consequences. This message is not to scare any of the prospective students or to put down the school. My intent is just to make sure that the wonderful world of medicine is taken as a great profession and not a get rich quick scheme that some of the medical schools are making it to be.

You never know, they might not be bad as I am assuming. One of the individual who is part of this school has mis-lead many students. Some students even gave up loosing so much money and much more of their valuable time.

These are some of the things to look for when you are looking to a medical school. Please correct me if I missed any or if I make any mistakes.

1. Accredition: WHO (optional), ECFMG, Local Government
WHO is not necassary anymore but ECFMG is very important.
2. Legit U.S. Office, after all your main goal is to get into US Hospitals. US contact information.
3. Proper MD or PhD professors
MD's trained in US system
4. Proper administration, (paper work)
5. Labs/Cadevaers
6. Clinical locations, hospitals, ACGME approved (Green book) hospitals.

I don't have all the information on me right now but as soon as I get it I will post it for you. But make sure you ask questions. DON'T HESITATE, and if they give you a wishy washy answers make sure you clarify with them and get proper answers. Look into all the foriegn medical schools. Be very pro-active with these people. Don't let them sweet talk you into anything. Make sure if they charge any legal fees or anything like that, usually US $2000.00 ask them what is it exactly for. As a fellow student, this is just help you in making your decision so you don't become victimized just like me. No hard feelings towards All Saints. Wish you all the best and good luck in your first step in to the Caribbean medical school system. Doctors are one of the best professions in the world and lets not abuse it. GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!!

Imagine they are collecting the $2000 because they are going to need it if they think they can teach in Canada and not be a licensed medical school. This is a school to stay away from. I've posted elsewhere the info on the school; it is not FAIMER listed yet by the way.

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The two posts above are quite funny. All Saints is a university I have been following for the past few months. I live in Canada and hope to attend medical school in the Carribeans soon. I have spent time and money to fly to Toronto (Eastern Canada) from Edmonton (Western Canada) to see their facilities in Toronto for myself. The Toronto office is called MEERC and has been recruiting Canadian students for schools in the Carribeans for many years in the past. They currently teach USMLE classess and its Canadian equivalent to physicians seeking licensure in Canada and the US. They are fully registered in Canada as a tutorial centre in Toronto. From what I saw and heard on my visit, and thereafter, I think these people are among the most serious minded I have seen, with excellent strategic planning. I met the professor that azekptics (correct spelling?) said jumps from school to school and he told me that he has worked previously in Belize and St James. I asked him why he moved and, from my personal opinion, he comes across to me as someone with a sense of mission rather than a money-grabbing get-rich-quick waco you guys seem to be portraying him to be. This man has an unsurpassed passion and talent for teaching. I was therefore excited when he told me MEERC might be openning a medical school in Aruba soon. I was therefore so happy to know that the school has received its charter but surprised that it got immediately attacked by the posters above. I have been visiting this forum for over a year now and it is disappointing that some people would prefer to use it to say things they are not sure about. This should be an information space, not a disinformation circus. I never thought I would post on this forum but got so incensed by the comments above that I had no other choice than to register and post a response. I would be very glad to provide any objective third-party information about this school on the forum.

ask the St. James students who flew to Toronto thinking they were starting school at Medway (previous company name to MEERC) and you'll get a different story than you were told. More importantly check with FAIMER and ask them about the school? Doesn't show up there yet...under Canada's laws you can't open a med school without approval in Canada...how are they proposing to do it? St. James backed out when they realized the students wouldn't get licensed....big risk...talk to the Ontario medical license folks and see what they tell you. It is your $200,000//spent it wisely.

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by the way, where did I say a professors name or previous schools? Not aware of it for Medway/Meerc? azskeptic,who is careful what he says

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My point for posting up on the forum is to provide information that I wasn't exposed to when I looked into medical schools in the caribbean. I wasn't aware of these forums, I went by one person's word and I got myself into a mess. My point on the forum is not to condemn a school but to let everyone know that this individual is known for his sneaky way of doing business. I know I can't expose all the information, i don't want to be kicked off the forum but I advise you and everyone to make sure you are aware of what you are getting into. I understand you flew from Edmonton to Toronto to take a look at the campus. The next time you talk to them ask them about the institute that was involved with starting up the school in Canada. It was a computer institute. I am not into bashing any schools, if you want do a search on my username and see. I only post when its necassary. I value education, but I don't tolerate people who use education as a personal get rich scheme. Anyways I am sorry if I offended you in anyway. But I advise you to look into all the med schools, nothing in particular.

AGAIN, my sole purpose of this post is to make everyone aware of whats going on. I am speaking on my behalf and many students who got cheated off this individual. This individual is very good at talking and convincing people into things. I don't want to really call him names but talk to him and make sure you get all the information before you even pay a penny.

GOOD LUCK!!

it doesn't a rocket scientist to realize that a new program in Toronto isn't going to meet LCME standards and be recognized

http://www.lcme.org/newschoolguide.pdf

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check all the licensing organizations in US & CANADA, US is more important.

azskeptic,
I really don't like posting in chat rooms but your posting, and Wiseguy's, are making me feel obliged to post. And I am actually beginning to read between the lines. I went to the websites of ASUM and read every word on this website through the night. I am surprised at the level of your rumourmongering, I am sorry to use that kind of word but that is exactly what comes to mind as I write now. I could see this school had a charter signed on November 10. To use your words, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that a school chartered on Nov. 10 doesn't appear on FAIMER on the same day.
Secondly, there is no mention of a medical school operating from Canada, meaning there is no need for approval of a medical school by LMC. There is no place for private medical schools in Canada and MEERC doesn't seem to want to operate one here. However, we all know that graduates of all WHO-listed medical schools are eligible to write the licensing exams to practise in Canada or USA, meaning that the school must be able to graduate students that can pass those exams. From my own research, MEERC has been very successful, during its short existence, in preparing physicians to successfully complete licensing exams in Canada and USA. There are even students from main universities in Toronto who go to MEERC to prepare for MCAT and also improve their grades in subjects like Chemistry and Physics. So, all I can say is that MEERC, an apparently successful tutorial centre in Toronto, is involved in setting up a medical school that operates in the Caribbeans. What really rocks about this school, from my research, is the quality of teaching they provide. I am only hoping they transfer the same quality to Aruba. To me, this is like Kaplan starting a medical school!

Thirdly, I felt really insulted on the advice about spending my 200K wisely. If I was stupid, I would not be sitting here all night trying to find information about attending medical school. I have been doing that for the past two years! I hold this site in high regard because it gives me the honest pulse of students and would-be students like me. I wouldn't want that impression of the site to change.

Sorry for my gaffe, I referred to a "Professor" in my earlier response. It was because I had no idea how to handle a response. Now I have your post copied and pasted here so I could quote you correctly.

Wiseguy,
From your posting on this subject, it appears you have a personal axe to grind with this school since you know so much about individuals who started the school and you have a personal distate for their character. And, to my surprise, you are beginning to drop names of schools that appeared to have worked with this new school. Could this be a David and Goliath kind of scheme on this forum? Is it possible that the so-called "big schools" are just disinterested in seeing their areas of monopoly being gradually invaded? I am totally for a free market as long as quality is maintained, it can only be good for my pockets as a student.

In summary, please do not see this as a personal attack on you. Objectivity is just my nature and I have always fought on the side of anyone that appears to be unjustly attacked. I find it very unjust to start slagging off a school chartered on November 10 just a few days after without any information other than personal feelings about individuals associated with the school. That action has raised a major suspicion in my mind about the purpose of ValueMD. I am glad you mentioned you are subject to the editorial power of the moderator, I would have thought this was just a private advertisement space for some dictators ruling the Caribbean medical schools!


PS: I hope this doesn't sound harsh. I am very sorry if it does, I was only being honest when writing. Please don't take any word there personal.

Dr. Alberto, you miss my point

1. MEERC is using the telephone number of Medway. Medway had a failed program with St. James which resulted in students allegedly flying to Toronto thinking they were entering med school. St. James bailed out because they researched and found out you can't do basic science teaching in Toronto and hope to get licensed there or the US.

2. What is different about their program this time under the name All Saints? From All Saint's website " The Canadian location is in the city of Toronto, province of Ontario, and hosts the first four semesters of the 5 Yr MD Degree program, as well as other prep/review courses (ie. USMLE, MCAT, etc.)." Is this legal? I'd suggest prudent folks would check with the Canadian licensing authorities and the LCME folks:

http://www.lcme.org/ All Saints doesn't show up as a recognized Canadian medical school that can teach on Canadian soil

or call the Ontario authorities

College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario
80 College Street
Toronto, ON M5G 2E2 Phone: (416) 961-1711

3. Enrolling in a college that isn't on IMED,though claiming to be in the process, is foolish also.

NO matter how nice the people may be you have some information on valuemd that says that something apparently weird happened earlier this year with students flying in thinking they were attending medical school and arriving and being told that no school would happen. Did those students get their money back?

No rumors, just questions derived from live participants on these forums.
azskeptic

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