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Old 11-16-2004, 10:16 PM
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I AM NOT INTO GRINDING SCHOOLS!!

Dear Dr. Alberto, What I am trying to get across through this forum is all the real life incidents that I am very aware of. My intent is not to discredit any new schools and promote the big schools. I will tell you honestly I am not from any of the big schools. I've heard good and bad things about big schools but students who graduate from these schools have no problems getting licenses.

Everything skeptic and I are trying to tell you is just a precautionary measure. You have the choice of going where you want to go. The purpose of this forum is to exchange information and thats all I am doing.

I appreciate the fact that you are doing research night and day. I advise to check with the Canadian and American licensing authorities about the legitamacy of the Canadian branch of this school.

When I joined on of the schools this individual was recruiting I tried my best to support him buy helping more students look into this school. I don't support monopoly but in this case its your life and I remember learning in law class, "survival of the fittest" so you could open up many schools but in reality only the honest and sincere schools will be up and running and will have a good repuatation. With my experience with this individual he is not at all honest and I assume he is the main person in charge of this school. He as an amazing talker!!!

I don't have any personal grudge against any of the individuals but I am talking on behalf of myself and many other students who felt they have been manipulated by this individual.

I am not saying I am 100% right but with my experience I think all of the information that I am posting on this forum is accurate. If you don't beleive it, I am sorry, nothing personal, just advice.
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Old 12-23-2004, 01:55 AM
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All Sains University of Medicine - Accreditation

I must make an extremeley important point to you all. First off, there is no medical school in Canada. MEERC operates a tutorial session from their Toronto Headquarters -- TUTORIAL...NOT MED SCHOOL. Secondly, whatever it is that may have happened in the past happened. If anyone made a mistake, it is more than likely that they would not try and repeat it - use common sense. IF a mistake was made, then fine - people learn from their mistakes. Those that have had bad experiences in the past with MEERC's owners and operators learn one lesson from me -- there is no such thing as perfect. People move on, learn from their mistakes and thats it - welcome to reality. If you cannot learn to forgive and forget then guess what - life is gonna be D A M N hard ...secondly, ASUM is listed in IMED - go search it up for yourselves...you people are all worrying about absolutely nothing - All Saints University of Medicine is a new university - I wish it the best of luck and I hope for its success ..theres really not much to say ...for all those of you pointing fingers - look carefully the next time you try and and accuse an individual or an educational institution ..YES people are out there to make money - but let me tell you one thing, if ASUM is a so called scam - it will be evident in the near future...for now, lets give it a positive attitude and hope that it helps to develop and bring about the greatest of doctors. I myself am not affiliated with the school in anyway, but I have done enough research about this school and lemme tell ya ...its legit. So next time anyone wants to throw an argument - think carefully and do your research.

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Old 12-23-2004, 04:06 AM
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Re: All Sains University of Medicine - Accreditation

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I must make an extremeley important point to you all. First off, there is no medical school in Canada. MEERC operates a tutorial session from their Toronto Headquarters -- TUTORIAL...NOT MED SCHOOL. Secondly, whatever it is that may have happened in the past happened. If anyone made a mistake, it is more than likely that they would not try and repeat it - use common sense. IF a mistake was made, then fine - people learn from their mistakes. Those that have had bad experiences in the past with MEERC's owners and operators learn one lesson from me -- there is no such thing as perfect. People move on, learn from their mistakes and thats it - welcome to reality. If you cannot learn to forgive and forget then guess what - life is gonna be D A M N hard ...secondly, ASUM is listed in IMED - go search it up for yourselves...you people are all worrying about absolutely nothing - All Saints University of Medicine is a new university - I wish it the best of luck and I hope for its success ..theres really not much to say ...for all those of you pointing fingers - look carefully the next time you try and and accuse an individual or an educational institution ..YES people are out there to make money - but let me tell you one thing, if ASUM is a so called scam - it will be evident in the near future...for now, lets give it a positive attitude and hope that it helps to develop and bring about the greatest of doctors. I myself am not affiliated with the school in anyway, but I have done enough research about this school and lemme tell ya ...its legit. So next time anyone wants to throw an argument - think carefully and do your research.

Dr.R.Jiwan
Singing 'kum bah ya' isn't much protection against losing hundreds of thousands in money or loans if the school isn't correct this time. I personally wouldn't wait for the future to figure out if it is a scam. I'd talk to the Canadian govt. and check and see if what they are doing is legit now. Apparently these are the same people who were involved with the St. James fiasco where students came to Toronto thinking they were going to St. James's program and found out it was closed. Exaclty what kind of research did you do?
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Old 12-23-2004, 05:26 AM
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Not yet anyway.

At this time, and most likely for a long time to come, it is simply not possible to go to a private institution in Ontario, let alone Canada for medicine. Further, to expect to get back into Canada to practice is not possible as it is would not be legal to operated a medical program without the approval of the Ontario Government, the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario, and the Royal College of Phyicians and Surgeons of Canada. As far as I know, no private school exists at this time with this approval.

There is going to be a new medical school located with twin campuses in Sudbury and Thunderbay, Ontario through Laurentian and Lake Head Univeristies within the next 1-3 years of which is aimed at northern Ontario residents and aboriginals. This will add to the 5 medical schools in Ontario that already exist for a population of approx. 12 million.

Further, to expect to get to the USA using this route is not possible as all medical schools in Canada are not considered foreign to the USA. And visa versa. Without governing body approval, going to this kind of program would be pointless.

Finally, anyone wanting to get to Canada to practice medicine will have a very difficult time obtaining a residency. And if one does, they will have to repeat and begin again; even if they are a practicing physician/surgeon from outside of North America. Just think of the competition that exists to get a residency for foreign grads in Canada. The best route is still to go to offshore medical schools and return to the USA as an IMG/FMG. But then again, if not an american or green card holder, that will remain difficult as one will need to obtain a J1 or H1B visa. No easy task these days.
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Old 12-23-2004, 11:51 AM
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you got it all wrong ...

Thanks for the pointers valueless ...but u and azskeptic have got it all wrong ...all saints does not operate a medical school from within CANADA. They simply recruit students from Canada who are interested in their school ..they do nothing more. The Canadian government KNOWS that they are a tutorial session and they are registered - why does the college of physicians need to know anything. I called them up and they told me they had nothing to do with it and they dont CARE to know about it. They told me there is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with having an office of admissions in CANADA for their carribbean univeristy. You really need to find out what you guys are talking about....

Dr.R.Jiwan
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Old 12-23-2004, 12:04 PM
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Re: you got it all wrong ...

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Thanks for the pointers valueless ...but u and azskeptic have got it all wrong ...all saints does not operate a medical school from within CANADA. They simply recruit students from Canada who are interested in their school ..they do nothing more. The Canadian government KNOWS that they are a tutorial session and they are registered - why does the college of physicians need to know anything. I called them up and they told me they had nothing to do with it and they dont CARE to know about it. They told me there is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with having an office of admissions in CANADA for their carribbean univeristy. You really need to find out what you guys are talking about....

Dr.R.Jiwan
Reviewing their website it appears this time they aren't trying to run claasses in Canada. Basically another new unproven medical school to watch to see what happens. A bit risky for those spending that much money and time.
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Old 12-23-2004, 07:20 PM
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Old 12-24-2004, 02:04 AM
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If you have read my earlier postings it clearly states my opinion. I warned students who are looking into this school. Please don't misunderstand me. I know exactly what I am talking about and I did all the research. Also MEERC is conducting to pre-med courses in Canada the last time I checked.
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Old 12-24-2004, 11:14 PM
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I remembered the incident with St. James and the premed courses. If St. James did not feel confident that their students could get licensed with their premed done in Canada, what makes All Saint's (nee MEERC) think they have overcome the issue?
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