Did this school All Saints got the name because there were too many schools in the Caribbean with St. names on them already or it wanted to consolidate every possible St. Name out there or all the St. Islands in the Caribbean already had a medical school giving them no more choices ?

Just curious.

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Does it really matter how the school got its name????? last i checked it wasn't the name of the school/and all that other B.S. about my school being better than yours crap that got you residencies but your USMLE scores!!!!!!! Dont tell me that a person from the big 3 with USMLE scores of 70,70,70 on step 1,2ck,2cs respectively will get a residency over me when i have 90,90,90 respectively just because they went to one of the 'Big 3".........!!!!!!!!!!

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Hey what up Doc - you know about a year ago I thought just like you thought. I can go to any Island school new or old and study hard to an exceptional score on the Step exams and the world is my oyster.

However, since then I have had a chance to talk with, PM and read a bunch more on this subject. There is a thread in the St James forum where I was enlightened about this - If you have say a 245/90 USMLE score from a new school like All Saints, Xavier or even St James you are more likely a fluke in the eyes of PD (program director). You only have to cruise the AUC, SGU Saba and Ross forums to see their grads matching into some pretty good programs this year. Don't expect with your 245/90 score you are going to get the same consideration the same score at AUC, Ross, SGU and Saba grads will get. Compare apples to apples. They will have better clinical rotations - meet PD's who know 25-30 years of SGU, Ross and AUC grads. Well as for a person who scores a 175/70 - they will never make to clinicals from those schools because you need to score a 185 to pass - They will wash out on the step 1 exam and never get a chance for the step 2(s) unless they transfer. So you can't compare your passing score with their failing score.

I was accepted at AUA and St James. I made the decision to go back to school get a masters in Biology, and retake the MCAT after a study course for it. So I would have a good chance to get into SGU, AUC or Ross. Because where you go does matter!

depends were...some programs don't interview anyone who isn;t from one of the 3 'well' known schools so your application with the 90's will not even be looked at just like some programs will not even return your email unless it has a harvard.edu ending

but at most places that take img's it probably will not matter. i will say though that in all my interviews i was at there were mostly US grads, sgu, uag, auc (even ran into a classmate), ross and i didn't meet a single person from other schools..it could be their class sizes are small ort it could be that the program just didn't interview them

bottom line get into the best school you can...that being US, irel;and, australia, israel thern the carib with the most histoty and accreditations that you you are minimizing your limitations as much as possible. if you can only go to a newer school then know it may matter at some places, some styates will be out of the question, but also know that if you pass the exams you will likely get residency somewhere...now full licensure is a huge question mark until someone from that school actually gets one...until then it is 'possible' or 'likely' or each application is 'on individual basis'

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lol..... your points dont make sense:

first you say the programs wont interview a person who has a 90+ on steps because they are not from a certain school.. (ok i understand the Harvard part) but i dont think they care if your from Ross or All Saints or for a matter of fact from India..... they only care about the Step's scores....

Secondly, you claim that you did not run into anyone from "other" universities while interviewing for programs..... that depends on 2 things... 1) what were your step scores
2) what program you applied for

Thirdly, State licensing is done case by case no matter what/where you graduate from.... Knowing that some1 form a certain school got in does not guarantee that if you apply to that state you will get in... further more only a few states have strict laws about FMG doc getting lisensure other wise one can get "full licensure" anywhere he/she pleases!!!!

Finally, many people claim that you should go to a school with a good track record........ what good will ROSS do if you dont study..... what good will All Saints do if you dont study..... they both will do nothing thus i have concluded is that it doesnt matter where i study but how much i study and in the end if i happen to score 90+ 's on all my steps then there is no place that i can not get residency..........

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this is wrong, yes, there are many programs that do care primarily on step scores...and there are programs that will not interview if you're not from certain, more established schools...that's the way it is, every program is different. to say that every single residency program in the country only cares about what you scored on your boards is very very wrong

yes and no, more established schools will have an easier process than newer schools...and you're right, just because a state licenses one All Saints grad, doesn't mean that in a year, they'll license another. also it is more like a handful of states one will not be able to be licensed in, although like AUCMD said, there is no way if really knowing until grads try in each state. so i'd hold off on saying, "anywhere he/she pleases"

well i do say good luck to you and i have no idea what type of reputation all saints will have when you get to that point, but one can predict that Ross grads will be matching better than All Saints grads

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It would be very safe to predict in four years - Ross Grads will be matching better than they are now. 2007 was very good for Ross.

Also you are concerned about other foreign schools in competition with All Saints. This years match was very competitive with more people in the match than ever before. I expect in 4-5 years it will be more so. Many of these foreign schools are older medical schools in other countries.

The question you have to ask yourself is this - Do I want a non competitive residency where I learn nothing but just repeat the same day over and over again for 3 years as some PD goffer.

All of that is just speculation not actual fact.... thus they are meaningless at the moment because you never know what will happen in the future. I am sure tho that if i pass the USMLE steps then i will get residency (maybe a competitive one if i do well) and that is the main point i am trying to get across. Most ppl think that All Saints students will never get residency and i am just trying to clear up that misconception that they have.

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You may be able to get a residency if accredidation holds up, but a competitve one will be really hard b/c you are competing against not only US grads, but US DO grads and more and moderately established caribb and foreign schools.

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Nice general statement - It is speculation for All Saints - that is true. For the other schools , SGU, Ross, AUC and Saba, it is more toward the factual side. See their match threads, check their website to see who matched where. Some of the newer schools matched fewer people. Look at those schools to see where your future may be in four years. As always work hard and best wishes.