Originally Posted by lswiltshire

Cdm, often the human brain is not fully developed at 18, it takes time and life experience.
PLEASE SUPPORT YOUR OPINION WITH STATISTICS AND RELEVANT STUDIES.

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I heard an American Dean say that too and then was amazed when the 18 year old in his class beat everyone going and coming, and ACED his exam with 100%.


Which American Dean and which medical school in the US admits 18 year olds. I admit, I do not know whether American medical schools will or will not admit 18 year old students, so please enlighten me, Professor. And which student in medical school got 100% in exams. Please prove it


This is why the American model of education is better than the UK and others because it allows the individual to grow as a person before they enter any professional field i.e. Medicine, Dentistry, Law, etc

SO THEN ALL THE DOCTORS TRAINED IN THE BRITISH SYSTEM ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE INFERIOR TO USA TRAINED DOCTORS?
PLEASE SUPPORT YOUR OPINION WITH STATISTICS AND RELEVANT STUDIES.

For a so called professor like yourself, it is remarkable that you do not know how to interpret words. Read the sentence again and then post your question. There is more to medicine than passing A levels, which by the way does not teach more than an American BSc. I challenge you to prove this, which I am sure you cannot.

The UK system has to spoon feed their future professionals because they are fresh out of high school and like in any teenager, often the raging hormones are in control rather than their own self. So it is often difficult for someone at that age to realize things that are beyond their narrow view of the world. Again, life experience will slowly change some things as they and their brain grow to their full potential.

HAVE YOU BEEN EDUCATED IN THE UK SYSTEM? I DON’T THINK SO. SO YOU CANT SPEAK ABOUT IT. THERE IS NO SPOON FEEDING IN THE BRITISH SYSTEM.

YES, this is why I know.

I WENT TO A BRITISH MEDICAL SCHOOL & I HAVE TAUGHT IN SEVERAL AMERICAN TYPE MEDICAL SCHOOLS. I CAN TELL YOU OF THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH SYSTEM

Please post the names of the schools and your details so that I can verify with those schools.

YOUR POST DOES NOT INDICATE THAT YOU ARE REALIZING THINGS BEYOND YOUR NARROW VIEW OF THE WORLD

More than mine, it is amazing that a so called medical school professor has the time to post on these websites and furthermore, has not been able to counter my arguments in any intelligent way apart from trying to blindly question what I posted. Any respectable professor who supposedly taught in many medical schools in US/UK and with a broad view of the world, would never even bother to get onto to a website like this in the first place.

This brings me to the point I made in my previous post and, I will have an upper hand in this claim until you post your real name and details for everyone on this forum to verify, that you are an ex IUHS employee who was either fired or resigned and now you are involved with another med school. You are on this website simply to promote your new school and trash the others.


The other side of the independent study pathway in basic sciences issue that no one seems to offer on this forum is as follows:

In my view, a person who is capable of learning and passing all the licensing exams via the independent study pathway is more well prepared for life as a doctor than some 18 yr old who has to be spoon fed all the material so that they can go back home and do the homework given to them.

AS YOU SAID THAT IS YOUR VIEW. YOU OBVIOUSLY CALL PASSING ON THE EXPERIENCES OF THE TEACHER SPOON FEEDING – it is not!
THERE IS ROOM FOR INDEPENDENT STUDY—BUT SUPERVISION IS NEEDED.

WHY ARE YOU LOOKING DOWN ON 18 YEAR OLD?
WHO TOLD YOU HE HAS BEEN SPOONFED?
DO YOU REALIZE THAT HIS A LEVEL QUALIFICATIONS SURPASS THE VOLUME OF MATERIAL YOU COVER IN YOUR BSc IN THE USA IN EACH SUGJECT AREA?

Supervision?? Well, of course, I forgot that you can run to your professor when you are in private practice to ask questions and clear your doubts. Once again, TOTALLY false post that an American BSc is not even equal to a UK A-level!! I would be interested to find out what Americans have to say about this one. I was educated in both the systems and I know that your claims are basless and outright lies.

YOU ARE ADJUDICATING WITHOUT A SOUND KNOWLEDGE OF THE FACTS SIR.

Why do you assume I'm a male? Is it because you think women cannot challenge your baseless claims on this website?

As a doctor you have to be prepared to be a life long self learner because you will not have anyone to spoon feed you once you are out of med school. The PBL independent study pathway, besides teaching the basic sciences effectively, will also make the student a self learner without relying just on what is taught in a class room.

ARE YOU A DOCTOR?
ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL THE EMMINENT BRITISH TRAINED DOCTORS WHO STARTED MED SCHOOL AT AGE 17-18 ARE NOT LIFE LONG LEARNERS AND HAVE ONLY RELIED ON WHAT IS TAUGHT IN THE CLASSROOM?
ARE YOU SAYING THAT AFTER 30 YEARS AS A DOCTOR I AM NOT A LIFE LONG LEARNER? HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT I AM READING DAILY WITHOUT SPOONFEEDING?
YOUR LOGIC IS SKEWED

No where in my post did I say that any eminent UK doctor is not good. Once again, read the post properly. In fact, if you read it properly, you will see that I mention that both systems have one thing in common and that is self learning. Without this, you wont win in either system. I never posted anything about what you are reading. My logic is not skewed. If ones mind is skewed then it will of course sound skewed.

I think both methods work, but as Genossa mentioned somewhere, it has to be done responsibly. There should be good quality assurance program in place THERE WAS NONE WHEN I TAUGHT AT IUHS ALTHOUGH THE FOUR OF US WERE GOOD TEACHERS

Well, of course, you would say you were the best teacher. No one admits they are bad. If you really teached there then please post your details so that everyone reading this forum can verify.

and yes, although the anatomy labs may or may not help, it would be good for the students who havent been in healthcare, prior to enrollment, to at least see a cadaver.

HOW WILL A PERSON WHO HAS NOT BEEN IN HEALTHCARE PRIOR TO ENROLLMENT BE BETTER OF BY SEEING A CADAVER

Posting a response to this will be an insult to the so called Professor of Medicine with 30 yrs of experience You clearly should know the answer to this.

Re Anyone with a whisper of commonsense can pass USMLE" - amazing claim, please tell this to all the residency PDs and those who actually took this exam and passed it!

I TOOK AND PASSED USMLE AND I HAVE SEEN MANY UWI GRADS (BRITISH TRAINED) DONE STEPS 1 2 3 WITH JUST THEIR UWI TRAINING WITH NO KAPLAN COURSE ETC.

I HAVE ALSO TAUGHT LESS THAN STELLAR STUDENTS WHO HAVE PASSED THE USMLE