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Old 11-07-2007, 08:04 PM
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YOU WROTE:
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Originally Posted by POPO View Post
Magen, I don't know the reason why you are so angry against canada. The link you gave (www.notcanada.com) is just a stupid website bashing canada. But honestly, I really don't care.

RESPONSE:
How don't you care? When you have already passed a judgement of value, stupid website?

YOU WROTE:
I don't understand what your ranking has to to with the practice of medicine. And anyway, I think almost everybody will agree that americans and canadians are probably the best clinicians among the world.

RESPONSE:The ranking is about top 10 countries in sciences, and of cause clinical medicine.

YOU WROTE:
Regarding the standards for being accepted in a med school in canada, let's say it's different. I don't necessarily agree with them, and in facts they are a little elitist. But they are definitly high. You disagree, but...on wich basis are made the admission criterias according to you?
RESPONSE:
You overlooked the important substance in what I wrote. If thou art will, please go back and reread what I wrote. You will notice that I directly responded to your attempt to reinforce SCARED's fears about practising medicine in canada. You were feeding on her phobia. That is what I responded to.

ATTITUDE DOES NOT CHANGE OVERNIGHT:

POPO: If you read my posting objectively you will realise that there is no anger whatsoever. What you may not used to however, is the truth as contained therein. A quintessential lovable approach you are probably used to is: "I don't know, maybe things are different, I don't know maybe, I don't know....." If I approached it that way, you would probably have liked it better.

By the way the guy who started that website is a medical doctor too. If dismissing things as "stupid" without genuinely addressing any problem works for you, that should explain your approach to this matter and the rest of other social challenges. And good luck on your mission.

You also write:
I think almost everybody will agree that americans and canadians are probably the best clinicians among the world.

Nothing personal:
If one was given a choice to choose best clinicians from around the world, rated from #1 to #120 (1-120), would you hold in high esteem anyone who knowingly mixes #15 and #1 or regards #9 and #57 as the best? How can one find a logical explanation to such confusion? If anyone can let them be my guest. For I have no further explanation.

Satisfaction without performance breeds complacency and awards mediocrity at the expense of merit. For the sake of equalization of results. It is fairness in reverse.

Even CBC has aired so many cases like what I presented in my posting above, that you did not seem to like. In other words, Canada as a whole is aware of this phenomenon except you. Remember, I have said before, when I write about serious issues like this, I am not out for propaganda to boost anyone's international profile and image. Nor kiddish bashing of any body. It is not in my nature and interest. The population of Canada is above 32 million. The number of doctors registered and practicing in Canada is very low. There is a great need for MDs in many under-serviced areas. If you want detailed stats let me know. Do you really attribute such lack to high standards? Come on!

For your on information, true Canadian Statesmen protect Canadians through performance not propaganda. They address the needs of Canadians. And if there is any Canadian who would think you are right by not encouraging new doctors who want to practice medicine in Canada, I want to know.

It is not about the high standards, has nothing to do with being angry to Canada, it is about keeping everyone out of the system. Canadians know it. As much as they know that they need doctors. If only you listen to Canadians you will know that NONE agrees with the manpower planning style, because they are the ones surfering.

Canadians need MedCare that is backed by adequate number of doctors to take care of Cdns, not medcare on paper or high standards on paper (bureaucratic high standards).
For example: I understand, last month there was a case of appendicitis that had to be driven for hours, all the way to Montreal from wherever, the patient had been waiting for hours at one hospital before he was transported to a Montreal hospital. To cut the long story short, by the time he was seen and operated on, the appendix had already ruptured with extensive sepsis. This is just one out of many cases due to inadequate physicians to do the job on time. And by the way, high standards mean figuring such things out too.

If anyone thinks Canadians have to smile all the way to the hospital with such definition of high standards, for the sake of keeping a smile and avoiding anger, be my guest.

However, you are right to hint on the issue of the elitist theory, in regards to this issue. This shows you do recognize the problem but you just don't want to openly acknowledge it. I respect your approach. I just don't think it addresses any social problem haunting innocent real Canada in this regard.

Regards,

Magen-MD
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