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these copied ones should add some curry

these posts are the main ones that helped me to stear clear from this school


So you want to know the REAL SCOOP ABOUT IUHS?
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>Hear it is in a nutshell for the DLP program: "If you can learn entirely on your own and never need to talk to a single teacher, they go for it. Otherwise, run the other direction."
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>Hear it is in a nutshell for the St. Kitts program: "It is only slightly better than the DLP program"
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>Here are some pros, cons, and comments:
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>Pros: You will be eligible to take the USMLE
>Cons:
>1. You may have licensing problems in a number of states
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>2. For ELP, there is only one "teacher." A loser named Neil ******. He is the only one that you have any contact with. This means is that you have to learn everything on your own. THERE IS NO INSTRUCTION. Maybe once per week this freak holds an online "lecture." Don't let the title fool you. It is nothing more than ****** showing a few question and answer slides. Usually they have little to do with what you are suppose to be studying. Unfortunately, you have to attend because those questions will almost always show up on the final exam.
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>The curriculum is also nothing like what you need for the USMLE. If you do all the reading and work ****** wants, you will fail the USMLE. This guy knows NOTHING about the USMLE. He will tell you he does, but if you try to pin him down it doesn't take long to see through his **. And, if he knew anything about it, he should drastically change the curriculum.
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>About Neil Juan ******
>This guy is a GRADE A FREAK. His is a complete egomaniac. All the ELP students complain that they have to brown-nose him or he won't even talk to them. Normally this would be a good thing, but he writes the tests, which are a complete joke in every respect. They don't cover the reading material and are almost entirely clinically oriented. They most certainly do NOT reflect USMLE type material. However, if you brownnose him, he will give you some of the questions. He loves to have his ego stroked. It is hilarious to sit in class and watch these people suck up to him, and then talk to them and hear that they really think the guy is lower than a slug.
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>About the St. Kitts Program
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>About the Island
>St. Kitts is the confirmed armpit of the Caribbean. There is nothing here. It is not scenic & the people are not nice. In fact the place is ugly and the people are rude. Anybody who has been to virtually any other Caribbean island will never come back here. We hear this all the time from people on vacation and on the cruise ships!
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>The place is also becoming more violent. Unfortunately, the police department is as lazy and incompetent as the general population. [Unsubstantiated rumor or defamatory material deleted by Forum Moderator]
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>On Campus Instruction
>The "staff" consists of two full time teachers and two local doctors who come in once or twice a week. Both of the full time people are good in very limited areas. Dr Rawling, the principle, is a surgeon and is good at teaching anatomy and embryology. He has the sense to not even try to teach any thing else. Dr Holmes is an immunologist, and is good at teaching that subject. But - he tries to teach everything. It doesn't work. The local docs are great at presenting clinical information, but they know nothing about the basic sciences. In the end, you are left pretty much on your own.
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>The local "campus" is a house. It has enough room for us right now, but I don't know what they will do when 10 more students arrive. The "library" is 2 bookshelves. If you want to check one out, you have to get the key from the secretary. If a book you want isn't in the library, it is probably in the secretary's (Vanessa's) file cabinet. She is so lazy she just shoves books in until they are full. That saves her walking the 5 steps to the bookshelves.
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>Minor problems like this are very common. There is no organization down here. The "principle," Dr. Rawlings does nothing. He is a good teacher but has never done a single thing involving organization or improving the program.
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>But, this is normal for the school. There is no organization. Rules and regulations change everyday. Random extra charges, courses to take, etc... It is really a pain in the ***.
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>The one good thing I can say about the building is that the internet speed is seems good. We can download music and movie without any problem.
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>SUMMARY: On a scale of 1 to 10, I give it a 2. If you just want to take the USMLE, don't care about having to teach yourself everything, and can put up with a lot of **, then sign up. Otherwise, go to a real school!


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YOU REALLY MUST READ THIS ONE ON IUHS
by copier (no login)
Here was my correspondence with IUHS Admissions before figuring out that IUHS is a scam, or at least a dubious medical school. I hope that these postings help make others prospective students think before chunking any change down. Feel free to contact me on AIM with my forum name.

E-Mail 1:
April,

I’ve read some rather disconcerting things online lately. There are people out there that claim that IUHS is only a single house on the island. They claim that the library is only “2 shelves”. I find both of these hard to believe. These same people also claim that Kentucky is the only state in which IUHS grads can get licensure. This is know to be false, since I’ve checked into it and I know that IUHS grads can get licensure everywhere in the United States. I can’t check into the other two claims. I’ve also read that the faculty consists of two professors that have very limited teaching abilities and several visiting physicians. I also find these claims to be hard to believe. IUHS has obviously met the WHO standards for being a listed medical school. Also, IUHS has met the standards of ECFMG. I also believe what the IUHS administration has posted in response to these accusations. Namely, that the people making them are representatives of other schools trying to scare people away from IUHS.

I need some reassurance that the school that I’ve chosen to attend for four years is what I believe it to be. I’ve talked with you twice in the past about getting pictures of the facilities, as there are none listed online. Please quickly forward these to me. I want to see what the facilities look like. I also would like to know where current grads are in practice/residencies. Please also forward this email to the president of the student association. I would like to speak with him or her about his or her experiences with IUHS. I want to hear that IUHS is a good school; the school that I believe it is. I do plan on visiting campus this summer, to begin getting the process of my relocation going. Let me know if you can be of any help with planning my visit.

Response to E-mail 1:
The visit is always the best suggestion…….so that is what I suggest.
Whatever you discover is the case, I will be happy to let you know that the last student who was a “campus” student from day one, just sat the USMLE(1) and she was a regular BSc student from Canada…….her score…84%!!!
april
April McDonald
Admissions Officer
IUHS
Students A-M

E-mail 2:
April,
Thanks for the update. I also understand that one of your on-campus classes in 2002 had all six members pass with an average score of 88. I do truly believe that I’ll do well on the USMLE, but I’m concerned about licensure. I know that Indiana is no longer licensing graduates of IUHS. (http://www.in.gov/hpb/boards/mlbi/instinfo.html) I’m just wondering why that is! If the grads do well on the USMLE, as they are, why are they not licensing them? I’m still doing some looking around, and I’ll get back to you with what I find. Also, you’ll be interested to know that Ohio State University College of Medicine is also using eLP for some of their Basic Sciences now too! I’ve read several pieces of Dr. Neame’s works, and thus far I’m impressed. I know that IUHS has a good philosophy.
I’m obviously concerned as to what is going on that is making Indiana anxious, and also making these websites devote so much time to bashing IUHS. None of the other Caribbean schools are getting this kind of negative image posted so much.
If you could answer several questions for me:
1. Who are the on-campus faculty?
2. What are the on-campus facilities like?
3. What is the status of the campus expansion project that was discussed with the St. Kitts government last year?
4. How often are lectures held?
5. How many students are in the on-campus program?
6. Where are current Clinical Science students in rotations?
7. Where are current grads in residencies/practice?
Thanks, and please do forward some pictures for me.

Response to E-mail 2:
I do understand your various concerns and over the last two years have tried to keep you informed and reassured.
There comes a point in time when the decision making has to have a reasonable level of confidence. I believe you may always have doubts and should you run into a “rough” spot during your medical studies, you would have a difficult time maintaining support for your own past decisions. Medical school is a long, rough road and requires unwavering dedication to both your studies, professors and the institution as a whole.
I would therefore recommend that you apply to a local medical school which hopefully will offer you the reassurance and past history that you are seeking.

april
April McDonald
Admissions Officer
IUHS
Students A-M

Conclusion:
The admissions department basically blew me off when I called them out. I had already been admitted, and was actually planning on going to IUHS. I began asking questions when my repeated requests for pictures of campus went unanswered, or were answered with USMLE pass rates.

When an admissions department will not answer straightforward, relevant questions, I become concerned.

Also, I encourage any prospective students to go online, to Google, Yahoo! whatever. Search for IUHS and International University of the Health Sciences. See how many people you can find that are in residency or practice. NONE. Then type in any other reputable medical school and see the difference. That simple test was what made me withdraw my admittance.

Bottom Line:
Do your research before you get burned. Ask the questions to the admissions department directly, or to one of the professors. The most important thing is to do a site visit. Go with your gut. Going $200,000 into debt and then finding out you can't get licensed is the wrong way to become a doctor.

Hope this helps,

DUtrainertom

reference
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From: charles Hunley [mailto:charlesthehun@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:08 AM
To: iuhsgeneral@taskcare.com
Subject: [IUHSGeneral] NEED IDEAS ON IUHS Promotion

Hey guys I ussually do not pay attention to the foriegn web sites or even look at them. But just recently there has been my name come up on one of them. I want some ideas from the students to promote our school in a ositive manner to show the community of foreign medical schools that our students pass the boards go to clinicals and even have a few residence out there. I need some ideas.

I am going to put a few students on our web sites that have been successful from 4rth year to 1st year. I also want to promote the IUHS student who is senior attending at Finch in Chicago.

So pleae come up with some ideas and get back to me. Charles

Please write directly to Charles Hunley, charlesthehun@hotmail.com


I really want to see what lies he will tell about our bogus internet school. Common sense should tell him that he is only setting us up for more bad publicity. People out there will tear his nonsense to threads as they have done in the past. Really think that a few STEP 1 passes this year makes us a school? Considering that the main teacher we had to make this possible has left us? The teachers dont stay long, and now the students leaving too. WHAT A LAFF!


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IUHS and Universal Empire
by Ex-UniversalEmpire Ex-UniversalEmpire (Login Ex-UniversalEmpire)
I have been attending Universal Empire, an affiliate of IUHS, for the last three weeks now. Let me just say that I wish I had done my research before I came here. Universal Empire has branches in three different countries, and I am in Cochin, India right now. I have decided to leave here and return back to Texas! I cannot believe that I made this decision. IUHS is a scam. They want your money, and once they get it your in trouble. You will not get a good education. Worst of all, I was lied to by the faculty and the OWNERS of the school. Do not let anyone you know attend either Universal Empire or IUHS. Please pass this word along and post it wherever you get a chance. A stay on admissions for Universal Empire has been filed in the Indian High Court. What kind of school has a stay on admissions? The school is the size of my house. The library has three bookshelves. There are like 10 faculty members. School is a load of CRAP!
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Petition filed agaisnt Universal Empire
by Anish Anish (Login Ex-UniversalEmpire)
This was a newspaper article printed in all the newspapers in South India about Universal Empire and its affiliation with IUHS. This was printed in THE HINDU on Saturday October 4th, 2003.....

Restraint on Conducting Courses

The Kerala High Court today restrained the Universal Empire Institue of Medical Sciences, a Kochi-Based private insitution, from admitting any student for its medical and dental courses unless the insitution is recognized my the Medical Council of India or Dental Council of India as the case may be, or the degrees awarded by the university to which it is affiliated are treated on par with the degrees awarded by the Indian universities.
Justice C.N. Ramachandran Nair issued the directive on a writ petition filed by P.C. Sunil, secretray, Indian Dental Association, Kerala branch and another doctor.
The petitioners said that the institution was conducting MBBS, MD and MS courses without obtaining approval from statutory bodies lke the Medical Council of India and Dental Council of India.
The petitioners claimed that the institution had been affiliated to the International University of Health Sciences, Government of St. Christopher and Nevi, West Indies. They wanted the court to prohibit the functioning of the institution.

Posted on Oct 10, 2003, 7:44 AM
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IUHS and AAIMG
by Ex-UniversalEmpire Ex-UniversalEmpire (no login)
Accoring to the American Association of International Medical Graduates, "The following schools were noted by evaluation teams to have multiple, serious deficiencies. AAIMG urges prospective applicants to proceed with caution and to carefully investigate any school listed below in order to arrive a their own conclusions. Applicants are encouraged to read the AAIMG web page section titled, “Words of Wisdom.”

On this list are Windsor University and IUHS....what does this tell you about the whole ** process of being WHO listed? The island of St. Kitts is a scam, and the institutions that are there are no better. IUHS will go down very soon and I will not be suprised if it is banned every state in the US in the next year.
Posted on Oct 9, 2003, 10:31 PM
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IUHS/UHSA
by Snoopy (no login)
The problem continues to be that graduates of these schools can't get licensed easily. UHSA has been in existence for more than 20 years and yet its webpage is full of people who are just now getting licensed,having graduated in 1994....don't throw your money away when you can actually go to reputable schools that aren't full of folks who can't get into regular med schools like IUHS/UHSA.
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