the key word here is "may", and of course depends on many factors, weighed subjectively. one of my objections -- aside from a lot of misinformation you're spewing -- is your belief that these factors and weights boil down to your conclusion. no, they don't. not even with your minimal (and general, and vague) conditionals.

Yes, less basic science is taught. More non-science is taught. doh!

To pass usmle I, one might need to study over xmas after year 2 (which is what n. americans do here). If i were to weigh this against the 2 years of cramming lists of facts in some of the other schools you've mentioned, i'd rather do the xmas cram. maybe it's the difference in student quality.

again, your perceptions of the perceptions are off. some respect undergrad more, some respect grad more. many docs who came out of undergrad like undergrad more, many docs who assess docs like grads more. read some Australian studies on the matter -- it's like the "religion" b/w macs and PCs, really boiling down to a really stupid argument. same with the arguments of "pbl better/worse".

huh? so it costs a lot only b.c. the only option is (5 to 6-yr) undergrad, since grad is not respected? again, if you'd stop with the prejudices and presumptuousness, you might see how ridiculous this logic is.

what you personally doubt fortunately has no bearing. but yes, if you want a safe life, with no will to make a small effort in order to do all that you want to do in it, then don't come here. the N. Americans here aren't myopic proselytizers and aren't afraid of having to put the effort in to be here, for the many reasons that they're here, for what they (obviously) see as the relative benefits.

dr. bum, you're sounding in these posts like the worst (and most insulated) of the carib posters who claim that the only reason to go overseas for med is b.c. one couldn't hack it in the US. Likewise, it's just as simplistic and silly to say, "if you want to come back...australia is here at the bottom of this list i have for you b.c. this is what matters". utterly silly.

ahh, as though we had but one goal in life, one way to reach it, as though we EVER had just one choice to make...that the one with the lowest activation energy, the gilded glide, the straight, steep slide, to the ultimate goal which is all that must matter! heavens no, no buttery twisty path, no surging tide, put a brake on life, no for we must look only to the immortal, the god, the infinite...the End, and we must deny the road our flesh must ride! read some, kid.

But of course the carib schools (w/ stigma and costing much more) have an absolute advantage, b.c...?????? Or UK or Ireland (also costing more, also recently grad and with the same silly in-fighting w/ traditional undergrad), are somehow a step above, despite not gearing for USMLE, b.c. of advantage of (less) pbl which is less good b.c....you say pbl "bad"....????

Don't try to fill those in, point is you're being awfully silly, weighing CBA through your own filter.

yeah, i see -- the best place is where they teach the most science. this is a point you're making? means harvard sucks, for one. but if you really want to make such generalizations...Indians go to the US to better their quality of life, even if it means going to rural areas that other docs won't go, australians don't care to as they have the standard they like. India has a billion ppl, australia 20 million. still think you're making an argument here??

And you're arguing that indian docs have better post-grad training than australian docs, b.c....?????

you're a funny man. apparently rather young and deluded, but funny. if you were to get over the need to tell everyone how to rank things in life, you just might get into a med school.

-pitman